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Cristalz:
@No2A/ Nateevs
A dive is when a player goes down when there was zero contact.
Exaggerating a fall when there was contact to make it look worse than it actually was it NOT a dive.

In Rooney's case, there was contact. Go watch the replay in[b] extreme slow mo[/b].
He shoulda gotten a warning.

Did you reach Planck time in times of how slow u used to watch it . . .  

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=364848.msg5099533#msg5099533 date=1260641539]We will win the game. . . . . . . . .Villa will panic in the 2nd half.
Just a goal from us will upset their balance.[/quote]So says Prophet Sauron . . . all hail the prophenator . . .  

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=364848.msg5099527#msg5099527 date=1260641440]He is such a limited player. . . . . .
We need Berbatov in this game. . . . .He is the only one with the craft to open up this Villa side.[/quote]

Cristalz:
Come on, Rooney's card was unnecessary.

Rooney went down easily, but that silly defender deliberately touched his knee. Impeded his run.

Some please get me my baryonic pulsar quantum fluctuated electronmicroscope . . . i need to make sure I am actually watching the same match  . . . .





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[size=20pt]If it is not Rooney . . . it sure can't be a Diver  . . .[/size]

Rooney the diver . . . . .where is Sauron and the other Man Utd apologists . . . .yea right English don't dive . . . .they synchronise simulation . . . .

[size=15pt]What a Dive . . . .  


Roooney just won a gold medal . . . .[/size]

Cristalz:
Surprise goal.

Fletcher messed up. Young got past him so easily.
Can't really blame him, being a natural midfielder and all.

Come on, United.

Off course now he is a one trick poney . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=364813.msg5099266#msg5099266 date=1260638482]I will eat my shoes if you take all the 3 points at Anfield tomorrow.[/quote]Do you intend to honour this statement or is this just one of those everyday superfluous equivocation . . . .

heilige:
To all wishing to build a house. You should also consider red burnt bricks, not only are they beautiful, they are also cheaper to build. Construction would also be faster

- How can one obtain such in Nigeria and what is the cost ratio with respect to a normal block . . .

- Personally I also think its better to use Red burnt bricks cus at the end of the day, it requires little maintenance in terms of painting

jcross22:
@allmuslims, CAN A MUSLIMS READ HIS OR HER QUIRAN  AND TELL ME WHY ARE USING THE WORD "WE" US" OR OUR" WHEN THEY WERE REFERRING TO ALLAH . PLEASE SIMPLE EXPLANATION . I THINK YOU , MUSLIMS SAY ALLAH IS ONE  THEN WHY THOSE WORDS REFERRING TO MORE THAN ONE ENTITIES

The answer is two options

1. Either Mohammed forget to correctly copy when copying from the Bible

or

2. Mohammed was being disturbed by the demon that gave him the Satanic verses . . .hence he was still thinking in terms of plural form during that time.

Yisraylite:
Bros, By the Name Change that came from The Creator Abram now became Ab-ra-ham(meaning Father of the Hamitic people or the Descendants of Ham) Remember these scriptures :

Neh 9:7 You are YAHAWAH our FATHER, who choose Abram, and brought him forth out of your of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham

Gen 17:5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Ab-ra-ham; for I have made you a father of many nations

In our african cultures Names have meaning, Hence the many Nations AYAH was refering to here are the Hamitic Nations,hence the name Ab-ra-Ham. Abraham was not the Father of Ham the son of Noah and that is not my stance!

1. Okay . . . i get you now.

2. But still I am confused can you please expanciate more . . . on the Abraham, Chaldees, Hamitic people connection. . . remember that Egypt was already existing hence why even Abraham was able to go to Egypt. Canaan was also already existing.

Hence i still am not getting how Ab - ra - Ham became the Father of the Hamitic descendants, considering that the ancestors of the hamitic people were already existing before Abraham gave birth to his own children.

Yisraylite:
Ab-ra- ham came from shem , However he was blessed of the Most High to become the Father of Ham hence the new name AB-RA-HAM, Were is Yisrayl located today it is loacated in a region formerly known as Canaan, When Yisrayl left Egypt YAHAWAH gave them Canaan as the promised land.

I hope I answered your question, if not let me know

Ham - Brother of Shem

Shem - Brother of Ham

Shem - Ancestor of Abraham.
Ham - Brother of the Ancestor of Abraham.

Hence by simply logic. . . Ham is far far far far far older than Abraham . . . so am very very confused as to how you can now say that Abraham is the Father of Ham. . . . . . the ages do not even add up talkless of biology.

Yes I agree that Isreal was given the land of Canaan as their inheritance. . .

However what I do not agree with is that you are trying to say that Canaan is an ancestor of Isreal . . . that is so wrong. . . considering that Canaan is a descendant of Ham and not a descendant of Shem.

Canaan has to be the descendant of Shem for him to be the Ancestor of Abraham. . . this is not the case hence why i consider your statement to wrong.

Yisraylite:
Ab-ra- ham came from shem , However he was blessed of the Most High to become the Father of Ham hence the new name AB-RA-HAM, Were is Yisrayl located today it is loacated in a region formerly known as Canaan, When Yisrayl left Egypt YAHAWAH gave them Canaan as the promised land.

I hope I answered your question, if not let me know

Am still trying to wrap my head around your response cus its confusing to be frank . . .

Genealogy is straightforward wen one considers the father and child . . .but this your explanation get as it be o o o

@kem4

- I am impressed and I really like your taste . . . most peopel do not realise that a suitably furnished bungalow with a large compound is one of the best kind of home you can think of . . .

- how much was the land.

- how many plots do you intend on using at the end of the day.

- what is the location.

- Who was your contractor.

- whats that little window that i am seeing on top of the building . . .

I so love that your house . . .

agathamari:
im speaking generly.

i [b]dont give a sh1t [/b]about political correctness

agathamari:
^^^^ maybe you can explaine to me what the hell is up with this.  of chistianity and islam and there is another one forgive me i cant remeber its name are all technicaly speaking branches of judism why in gods name do you all hate each other so much?

EDIT:

- I do not believe that I hate anyone . . .

- I just am not politically correct . . . I TRY TO SPEAK THE BLUNT TRUTH TO MYSELF AND TO ANYONE .

I suggest that believers in Atheism should take and manage the day that might be given to the "Flying Sphagetti Monster" believers as the day of their own Holy Day . . . i.e. Holiday.

agathamari:
im not your issue here. you want to quote your faith as the supreme high and mighty then you should know its history and how political/spiritual system that was the foundation of the spread and "adaptations" of the church. if you have issues with the edicts of said faih take it up with your spiritual advisor. all i bring to the conversation is historical facts not spiritual beliefs

- Okay . . .

- yes you correct you are not my issue.

- In terms of historical facts . . . there was no precedents by the Disciples that Christmas should be done . . .it was instituted later by heretics who were trying to incorporate other religions into the church by making and re-branding pagan beliefs as "holy"

- We cannot isolate historical facts independent of spiritual truth cus what it all boils down to is not emotion nor is it intellectual rather it all boils down to salvation of the soul. Salvation is not an emotional nor is it intellectual nor is it historical issue instead it is a spiritual matter that hence all our discussions must be done with salvation in mind.

^^^^ this is usualy the point where we start

If its not the biblical truth then its nothing like the biblical truth . . . as far as I am concerned, its the biblical standards or nothing . . . no offense.

agathamari:
and as for the "rebranded" pagan holidays i suggest you look up Pope Gregory the First. in 601 CE (though common for 200 years prior) he issued a now famous edict to his missionaries concerning the native beliefs and customs of the peoples he hoped to convert. they should take thier current beliefs and make them holy.

- Which means it should not be a problem to take the beliefs of cannibals and then also make it holy . . . you yourself you know that the statement highlighted above is not okay.

agathamari:
^^^^^ you have to me several times and im not looking for any apologies just making you aware

and 1/4 of those are christian holidays from other countries and many are non religious (cultural or lunar harvest type)

In all sincerity . . . I don't remember insulting you  . . . probably because its not really in my nature to do that. . . when discussing with people. Hence imagine the suprise when you even say I insulted you several times.

Nevertheless, I apologise for insulting you . . .

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Holiday or not . . . is not what I am talking about . . . the issue here is that is such an holiday scriptural or not . . . 

Most people do not realise that our every actions have spiritual meanings and consequences. . . hence cus someone said something is an holiday does not mean peopel should be ignorant of what it really entails nor does it mean people should just go ahead and observe.

It is written:

TO HIM THAT KNOWEST HOW TO DO GO AND DOEST IT NOT, IT IS SIN.

Hence it is sinful for someone like me to keep quiet when I know most of these so called holidays are nothing more than mere re-branded pagan worship days or methods.

agathamari:
to lady 234 happy Chanukah and many blessings to you

no2atheism i love how you claim to be agaisnt insulting people while you have dont it many times

- I apologise if i have insulted you before . . . but sincerely speaking  . . . I constantly watch my words and statements to make sure that I do not insult anyone on nairaland.

- Yes I know i have done it a few times . . .hence why I don't usually hesitate to correct those insulting statements or offer apologies in arrears.

- I agree that I can be quite assertive and blunt at times . . . but other than that, I usually go out of my way to ensure that I don't insult people on nairaland.

to those trying to disprove anothers religion using your own as proof - get over yourselves already.  everyone is entitled to thier own beliefs.  they are not hurting you nor are they trying to force you ro believe thier way.  does it realy cause you such pain just to say thank you to someone wishing you a happy holiday whatever it may be? 

to all Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, Blessed Yule, Happy Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Al-Hijira, Merry Las Posadas, Frohe Weihnachten, Happy Diwali, Happy La Befana, Happy Ashura, Merry O-Shogatsu, Merry St Lucia's Day, Happy Beiwe Festival, Happy Dōngzhì Festival, Merry Junkanoo, Happy Makara Sankranti, Blessed Meán Geimhridh, Blessed Şeva Zistanê, Happy Saturnalia and any other i missed

Hope you know am against most if not all of that . . .

@yisralyte

It is possible for the Devil to try to counterfeit the birth of the coming Messiah . . .remember that the Devil himself knows the scriptures . . . hence cus there are similar stories of virgin birth or similarities in Egyptian history does not mean that the Messiah is not real.

I would advise that you take it easy on the History angle . . . .

Yisraylite:
Gen 10:6 The sons of Ham [were] Cush, Mizraim, Put, [fn] and Canaan. 


Gen 10:7 The sons of Cush [were] Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah; and the sons of Raamah [were] Sheba and Dedan.

From the maps posted Kush or Cush - Upper and lower Ethiopia,Abissinia
                           Hawalah or Havilah - Sudan or Guinee
                                     Put,Mizaraim -  Egypt
                                           Cannaan - Yisrayl

I beleive you made a big mistake in the highlighted part . . . Shem is the progenitor of the Isrealites  . . . hence I don't know how you came about Cannaan all of a sudden.

In Essence the Torah represents the history of our african people while Christianity is purely European by Origin. Made by the Vatican's Mother church in Rome under Emperor Constantine in 323-325 AD and these two can not mix . I can always explain further why the Law & the prophets are in direct conflict with the New Testament scriptures

- Yes Ancient Isrealites were most probably a race of black people.

- Yes Ancient Isrealites might have even been mistaken for an African person.

- Nevertheless I don't really buy the African people angle that you are talking about . . .cus Abraham came from the your of chaldeans . . .and the last time i checked Abraham is supposed to be a descendant of Shem.

- Personally I would prefer to just call the Ancient Isrealites a race of Black people . . . I am not really comfortable calling them African people simply because its possible for someone to be completely african in features and yet not african by way of descent from Ham.

For me, Ham is the considered the progenitor of Africans hence why i am not comfortable with your statements.

Check the Gospel of Luke for details . . .

chukwudi44:
When I said that the catholic church created the bible I never ment that the catholic church wrote all the scriptutres .

Catholic church did not even write any part of the Bible (except maybe your own catholic version of the bible  ) . . . so I think you have to do another correction one more time . . .

Thank you . . .

Lady 234:
Apologies accepted. Will you celebrate Hanukkah.
By the way have you used www.bing.com today you would have seen how a menorah looks like.

What if the feast of Dedication was not recorded in John would you have observed Hanukkah.
Happy Hanukkah

- I would not have believed that is was mentioned in the bible . . .

- Yes I am now using Bing . . .cus i heard they are less snoopy than google as i don't want google collecting and saving all my personal information (which i suspect they have been doing)

- Good to hear that you acceptted the apology.

- The thing about me is that I am a strict Bible person . . .I hate and dislike doing things cus others are doing . . . I need to have a reason for doing something . . . most especially if such a thing has spiritual consequences. Hence cus people celebrate something does not mean I am also going to celebrate it.

As far as I am concerned, I need to see proof that such a celebration is biblical.

chukwudi44:
Are you really human or a computer programmed to behave in a particular way ? cant you just reason ?[/b]why do you think that made Jesus attend the feast of hanukkah? [b]who the bleep compiled the bible ?

- Temper temper . . . 

- Remember Chukwudi no insults . . . 

- Yes you are welcome  . . .

- So are you now saying that you are no longer saying the Catholic church created the Bible . . .are you now saying that they compiled the Bible. . . please clarify

mind you the bible and the scripture do not really mean the same thing.

where in that quotation did it say he did not celebrate it.The bible already indicates the validity of the feast,the onus is now on you to proove from the bible that Jesus did not celebrate this feast.Why t would Jesus not celebrate the feast,when he was physically prsent at the celebration venue?

- I do not have to proof anything . . . because I am not the one that said The Messiah was celebrating . . .you were the one that said the Messiah was celebrating Hakkunah . . . so am sorry but you are not allowed to switch the burden of proof . . . 

- All that the Bible told us is that The Messiah was in the Temple in Jerusalem at the time of the Feast of Dedication . . .you are the one that is interpreting it to mean that it means the Messiah was celebrating the feast itself.

- Cus I am in Manchester does not make me a Manchester united fan . . .

- Cus I also do not go to the office on December 25th does not mean that I am also celebrating Christmas. . .

PLEASE NOTE THAT BEING IN THE TEMPLE DURING THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE MESSIAH WAS CELEBRATING HAKKUNAH.

Unless you have proof that it does . . .please tender the proof . . . .

Because RCCG church members also gather together around Christmas time does not mean that they are celebrating christmas . . .

chukwudi44:
@NO2ATHEISM

Could you please explain whu Jesus attended the jewish feast of hanukkah and why we christians don't deservr to know anything about this feast.

You are now begining to see the importance of Judas macabees in jewish history.

The prophecy was actually given by Daniel,he prophesised about the desolation of the temple by a greek ruler who would arise from one of the four horns that arose after the first greek horn fell.

When alexander the great died just like daniel prophesised ,his kingdom was divided into four parts and the kings that arose therein were not related to him as daniel rightly prophesied.

He also stated that a king would arose out of one of these four kingdoms who would stretch his hand against the lords temple in order to defile it.This prophecy was fulfiled when Antiochus epiphanes defiled the temple in 167CE by placing the greek god zeus at the holies of holies .It took the courageous effort of Judad macabees to uproot this abominable act and rededicate the temple .He was also the one who instituited this feast of the rededicaton or hanukkah

- Notice that[b] I only admitted that Hannukah was mentioned in the Bible and hence was celebrated during the time[/b] of The Messiah.

- The New Testament itself did not say The Messiah Himself was celebrating the Hannukah . . .all the verses I quoted told us is that during the time of the Hannukah . . . so so and so thing happened.

- Please be careful about reading meanings into my statements . . .and what the Bible literarily said.

- I still concede that you were right and that I was wrong and that Hannukah was mentioned and celebrated during The time of the Messiah.

- Nevertheless please be careful to note that this does not mean that I am saying that the Messiah Himself celebrated the Hannukah.

It is very easy to read meanings into the Bible . . . without even knowing it Notice what I am saying from the verses below:

John 10 : 22

22 ¶ And[b] it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication[/b], and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.


Notice that the verses do not say that The Messiah was celebrating the feast of dedication itself . . . all I can clearly see from that verses is that: during the time of the feast of dedication (which was in winter time), then so so and so things happened.

chukwudi44:
@NO2ATHEISM

Could you please explain whu Jesus attended the jewish feast of hanukkah and why we christians don't deservr to know anything  about this feast.

You are now begining to see the importance of  Judas macabees in jewish history.

The prophecy was actually given by Daniel,he prophesised about the desolation of the temple by a greek ruler who would arise from one of the four horns that arose after the first greek horn fell.

When alexander the great died just like daniel prophesised ,his kingdom was divided into four parts and the kings  that arose therein were not related to him as daniel rightly prophesied.

He also stated that a king would arose out of one of these four kingdoms who would stretch his hand against the lords temple in order to defile it.This prophecy was fulfiled when Antiochus epiphanes defiled the temple in 167CE by placing the greek god zeus at the holies of holies .It took the courageous effort of Judad macabees to uproot this abominable act and rededicate the temple .He was also the one who instituited this feast of the rededicaton or hanukkah

@chukwudi . . .

- Seems like you want to enjoy the moment hey . . . 

- Notice that my reference for knowing that you were right was based on the New Testament and not on the Apocrypha . . .

- As far as I am concerned Apocrypha is heretical . . . hence Maccabees is of no consequence to me as a person . . . end of story . , 

- I am not denying the prophecy of Daniel . . .

- Instead it is the lack of authenticity of the Apocrypha that I am talking about . . .

- As far as I know, The Messiah and The Disciples did not quote the Apocrypha . . . that in itself says a lot.

I would now amend my post to remove all references to my opposition to the issue of Hannukah . . .

@Chukwudi, @Lady and @Eden Okon . . .

1. You were correct and I was wrong . . .about Hakkunah being mentioned in the New Testament . . .

2. I still do not believe in the Apocryha based on my earlier given reasons. . .

Lady 234:
Yes its the same thing.

I have seen it  . . . I was wrong about Hakkunah, please accept my apologies . . . (this apology goes to @Lady234, @chukwudi and @edenokon)

John 10 : 22

22 ¶ And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.


1. Once again can someone please confirm to me whether the feast of dedication is the same thing as the festival of lights.

2. According the following dictionary quotation:

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Feast+of+Dedication

Hanukkah

In Judaism, a holiday celebrating the rededication of the Second Temple of Jerusalem in 164 BC, after its desecration three years earlier by order of Antiochus IV Epiphanes. The Maccabees recaptured Jerusalem and reconsecrated the Temple after leading a successful revolt against Syrian rule. The lighting of the menorah recalls the story that a one-day supply of oil burned miraculously in the Temple for eight days until new oil could be obtained. Sometimes called the Feast of Dedication or Feast of Lights, it is celebrated for eight days in December, during which the ceremonial candles are lit and children play games and receive gifts. Originally a minor holiday, it has become more lavishly celebrated as a result of its proximity to Christmas.

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Hence based on what @chukwudi said and based on the bible verse that he quoted, I conceed and now realise that Hannukah was mentioned in the Bible even during the time of the Messiah.

I was wrong to guess that it was not mentioned in the Bible, I apologise.
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I want to learn . . .

Can someone please confirm to me whether or not

Feast of Dedication is the same thing as Festival of Lights.

Let me repeat the questions again:

- How do you know you a Jew . . . i.e. why do you call yourself a Jew.

- Are you a descendant of Judah . . .

- Are you a descendant of the Ancient Isrealite . . .

- Has it also become heretical to speak the truth . . .

- Was the Maccabees considered worthy and acceptable by The Messiah and the Disciples . . . or was it used by the Pharasees.

- Did The Creator give Isrealites the Babylonian Talmud. . . or is it also the works of men.

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- What exactly is the meaning of the word "Jewish".

- Who is Jewish.

- Who is a Jew.

- Who is an Isrealite.

- Who are the Lembas.

- Who are the Falasha Jews.

- Who are the Askhenazis.

- Who are the Sephardins.

- Why do the Lembas and Falasha look like "Black people" and the popular commonly known jew look like an "European"

- Who is a Semite.

- Who is Anti-Semite.

- Are Arabs Semite.

- Are Arabs anti-semite.

- How can a Semite person be Anti-Semite.



ONCE AGAIN LET ME STATE: IF THE CREATOR DID NOT TELL YOU TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU GO AHEAD TO DO IT, THEN IT IS SIMPLY WHAT IS CALLED TRADITIONS OF MEN.
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ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, TRADITIONS OF MEN ARE WORTHLESS AND OFTEN HERETIC.[/size]