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- An yet the self delusion continues . . .

-  Is he not going to bring court case against islamic days also or is her scared that those ones do not mind chopping off his head or something . . . 

I laugh in Gluons . . .

which one is Tech9 . . .is that the young polish goal keeper or something.

To be frank . . . I am against Christmas. Nothing in the bible supports Christmas nor the celebration of Christmas.

That is why you notice that:

- RCCG does not celebrate Christmas, instead they make sure their workers are occupied by what is called "Go A Fishing".
- As far as I know Deeper Life people do not also celebrate Christmas.

Hence as far as I am concerned, "Christmas" is just another relic and paganistic thing that started with the Catholic church.

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- Names have serious meanings and consequences as far as spiritual matters are concerned.

- It would be ignorant of someone to say even though he uses the word "Satan" that he actually means the word "Messiah". So you see people Names bear very important meanings and consequences on a spiritual level.

Hence that is why the first alarm that should go off in people's mind is that: CHRISTMAS MEANS "CHRIST" + "MASS".

- You should ask yourself the question what is the meaning of the word CHRIST. . . is it a name or a title or does it even refer to the Messiah in the bible.
- You should also ask yourself the question what is the meaning of the word MASS. . .is it a name or a title or does it even refer to something that is biblical.

So i beg you in the name of the Creator of Heaven and Earth . . . do not come at me with the "Russian" thingy . . .

- Its your choice and decision to believe in Global Warming . . . however what i would please like you to stop is to please not even attempt to discredit something that was confirmed to be true (yes I am talking about the hacked emails which you tried to discredit with your statement).


This would most probably be my last response to your post on this thread . . . cus I am really sick and tired of seeing people dogmatically following the Global Warming nonsense . . .even though raw scientific data contradicts goes against it.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.

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On another note . . . please check the following diagrams to see how criminally intended data manipulation was done just to justify the Global Warming Scam . . .

naliakar:
No Atheism
The leaked emails are a Russian design to counter any changes that might cap emission rates. They only tell part of the story.

. . . Will you please stop that 

. . . please don't insult my intelligence. . . .I have tried my best to be as polite as possible, hence I would appreciate that:YOU PLEASE DO NOT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE

What you just said is complete and utter western propaganda . . . certian reports already confirm that the emails are genuine . . . hence it is distasteful to try to create doubts as regards the emails instead of questioning the Global Warming Scam itself.

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I really do not understand this kind of mentality we have in Africans (assuming you are an African) at times . . . .do you even realise that you are trying to justify something that has been confirmed.

- It is an open secret that the CRU was blocking all attempts to reveal and review their data.
- It is an open secret that the CRU was fiddling with their data.

Hence it is blatantly insulting to all intelligent people for you to even insinuate that Russians did bla bla bla . . .

YOU KNOW WHAT . . . BUY YOUR CARBON CREDITS AND FEEL HAPPY . . . I THINK I YOUR STATEMENT IS JUST MAKING ME TO LOSE MY TEMPER

. . . WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG WITH WE AFRICANS . . . CAN'T WE HAVE INDEPENDENT THOUGHTS FOR GOODNESS SAKE.


It is already written, people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.


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CHECK THE FOLLOWING LINKS FOR NEWS REPORT RELATING TO THE CONFIRMATION THAT HACKED EMAILS WERE GENUINE

[url]http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Essex-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d20-CRU-director-admits-hacked-files-genuine[/url]

Beaf:
If some scientists were being fraudulent about the position they held, does that mean the World isn't warming? I don't get this argument.

- You are still not getting it. . .

- You statement actually shows that you actually believe that Global Temperatures are increasing . . .

- You are still repeating the very idea behind Global Warming . . . while claiming to reject it at the same time. . .

- You are ignoring the fact that the scandalised data is a significant part of the whole Global Warming scandal. . .

- It is not just a few scientists that were involved . . .it was a significant number of the main guys in the whole global warming scam . . .

- The scandalised data form a very important foundation of the whole Global Warming charade . . .


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- General dogma says there is warming . . . caused by CO2 (which is not a pollutant by the way cus its actually needed by plants).

- Scientific Observation says there was both warming and cooling . . . caused by the SUN

Are you going to follow general dogma or are you going to follow raw scientific observation . . . why do you think some respected scientists are putting their public image on the line by deciding to go against the government sanctioned global warming hysteria.

IT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THOSE SCIENTISTS KNOW THAT SCIENTIFIC DATA IS ON THEIR SIDE AND AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT GLOBAL WARMING SCAM.

Check the image below for and idea that there is warming [/b]and [b]cooling . . . . within our own recent history . . .

Most Global Warming apologists seem to forget that:

1. Africans have historically been environmentalists. . . how did you think our ancestors sustained themselves in ancient times even in the face of changing weather. The recent western hype of recycling is already practised by Africans even despite the influence of western culture.

2. Earth's Climate is always changing, it has nothing to do with "Global Warming",  check the diagram below showing that Earth's Climate has always been changing.

3. I do not deny the fact that Earth's Climate is always changing, the issue is that I am against the idea of Global Warming because: scientific data actually does not support it and also because its just pure western propaganda meant for their own ulterior motives.

4. The phrase "Global Warming" is the postal child for the western propaganda, hence why I would continue to go against the phrase and the idea behind the phrase. This is because some people are still not able to differentiate the difference between the phrase and the idea behind the phrase.

uplawal:
@the seeker, i just pray they listen cos when JESUS(pbuh) comes[b] is gonna be brutal[/b],imagine, they all thought GOD can forsake his own,never,our own JESUS is alive and coming soon to BULALA them sango,oya,oshun,ogun,christians and all other ELEBOS, I just pray my family members accept ALLAH as one and not three before then


@focus elenufaya, pls mind your business,are u trying to tell me am lying your god cry like that

Your statements and style of posting sounds masculine for someone who claims to be female. . .

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naliakar:
What exactly is at stake and what should we expect from the conference?

naliakar:
Really. Didn't you just learn today that the Maldives may soon be fully under water. Is that fraud too.  Don't go the ultra Evangelical conservative way. it is wrong and UN-Godly abi.

Is Global Warming a Fraud - YES

Is Earth's Climate changing - YES

Why is it changing - NATURAL CYCLE THAT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY LITTLE OR NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMANS

Do you mean it also changed even when we did not have the kind of technologies we have today - YES

Is Sea level possibly rising - YES

Who is causing it - NO

Is it Humans - NO

What is causing it - THE SUN

What is the evidence for this - CLIMATE CHANGE IS ALSO OCCURING ON A FEW OTHER PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM AND THERE ARE SCIENTIFIC DATA COLLECTED AS REGARDS THE EFFECT OF THE SUN

Is there evironmental pollution - YES

Is pollution the same thing as Global Warming - NO 

So why is there Global Warming Conference - CAUSE ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY I.E. CARBON TAX AND ITS ALSO A MEANS TO STIFFLE THE DEVELOPMENT OF MOST NON-EUROPEAN DOMINATED COUNTRIES.

Is Global Temperatures increasing - NO IT IS NOT INCREASING

Is the email scandal about Global Warming true - YES IT IS

So what is the big deal about the email scandal - ITS A BIG DEAL CUS THE LOCATION OF THE EMAIL SCANDAL IS ALSO THE SAME LOCATION PROVIDING A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF THE DATA USED TO SUPPORT GLOBAL WARMING.

Are there simple ideas about Global Temperature variation - YES


http://www.longrangeweather.com/

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

olabowale:
If cult does not permit too many questions, is Catholic not a good group of the bigger umbrella cult to illustrate this?


Asking question: Tell me Who is God?

Is He All Powerful?

Is He Invisible?

Is He All Wise?

Is He a human being?

Just a few of many questions, and how is Jesus fairing as God if we consider any of the above and how many Gods are there?

And have I ever told you that Roman Catholism is not a cult. . .

Is it really true that 1500 people were sacked.

If it is true,

- Can someone please help me find out the ethnic breakdown of the people that were sacked from Intercontinental, this is because the reason given for the sack of those number of people makes it very naive not to realise that this might actually go beyond mere financial issues.

- Can someone also please give me the ethnic breakdown of those in intercontinental before the sacking of people.

- When and how did 1500 become moles . . . we are talking about 1500 people . . . do people even realise how large the number [b]1500 [/b]really is.

- Is Intercontinental Bank now a secret service agency in which human beings have now become moles . . .

I think that would be all from me folks . . . bye to everyone on the thread.

viaro:
I explained why - and I wanted to see how 'true' people like you can be to your own words. Did you say that if I didn'yt give you a personal account, you would not bother any no more? This is how you adjudicate your own 'honest' Christian and deign to sit over others' heads. I can't laugh.

Yeah, tell me something else that I don't know. People have asked directly, I answered: but you would sit over my life and pretend to be holier-than-thou seeking a personal account. Wel done.

Surprise-surpise! I wonder why you would not turn to her, is there any worry there? you just confirmed my suspicions, you know: empty, loud, full of yourself. If you can't turn to mavenbox and ask her, why ask me if I was mavenbox? What was so special that it has to be me you had to ask?

As a Christian, I am also doing the right thing by not playing dumb to every silly question whipped up by 'Bible believing' folks.

If my prevous answers would not suffice when others have asked, I take it that you're being deliberately mischievous - especially when you won't be ask mavenbox if you're in doubt. What is the connection between us that there must be a big difference to do the sane thing to ask her?

I have responded, as you can see - only thing is it may not come across to dignify your comedy of seeking a personal account.

Okay

KunleOshob:
@No2atheism
If you know pilgrim well you would realize that she has no problems with standing the truth on it's head. Infact that is one of her hallmarks.

- On the contrary, I disagree. Pilgrim.1 was one of the few people on nairaland that I actually had (and still have) a lot of respect for.

- I am a very difficult person to impress, hence that Pilgrim.1 impressed me says a lot.

viaro:
Personal account? How?
The question you asked have been answered and it is least interesting to me to parrot the same answers. I personally find it quite humourous that as a Christian you would even go so far as to sit as judge over people's personal accounts, lol - that is why I'm humouring you on that note. If you're in doubt, turn to mavenbox and ask her directly if she's viaro.

- You still are not answering the question.

- The right correct thing for a bible believer to do is to ask you directly as regards the allegations. . . which is exactly what I am doing.

- I am not turning to Mavenbox cus she is not the one I am asking the question, instead I am asking you.

- As a bible believer, No I am not sitting over as judge over you, infact I am doing the right thing by prefering to hear from you myself instead of hearing the report of others. Hence why i asked the question and hence why you answer is what I am going to hold on to and not the comments of others. Infact I am considering that honour that a Bible believer is supposed to have hence why as far as I am concerned, what you say to me with your own mouth carries more weight than what others say that you said.

- If you decide not to answer, I would take it as either you are dodging the question or you simply choose not to answer. . . either way its your call.

- This would be the last time I would bother to ask the question, your response would tell me whether or not you choose to either dignify me with a response or choose not to dignify me with a response. . . either way, I would take my leave.

I want a personal account and response that I can hold you accountable for.

- Your response is what i would hold unto as from this moment henceforth.


The questions are:

1. ARE YOU PILGRIM.1

2. ARE YOU MAVENBOX.

3. ARE YOU A HE OR A SHE.

If you are not going to give me a personal account and response, I would hold my peace and bother you no more.

viaro:
I just didn't want to risk misreading you, which was why I asked for clarification. I take it then (amusingly) that pilgrim.1 holds the key to Nairaland's coding of hyperlinks, or that no one else actually does that, or what?

Anyways, to your question: what new theory are you up to? Yes, I'm deliberately playing football with you, No2Atheism, because it seems odd that after having answered those questions several times, I must come back and specially attend to you on them - separately from my having answered them to others, No? You must be kidding me.

I want a personal account and response that I can hold you accountable for.

- Your response is what i would hold unto as from this moment henceforth.


The questions are:

1. ARE YOU PILGRIM.1

2. ARE YOU MAVENBOX.

3. ARE YOU A HE [/b]OR A [b]SHE.

olabowale:
Unnecessary Questioning is Disapproved of by Allah. Try to read this people and compare it to the best from your bible, the Mercy is known!

- Cults do not permitt too much questions.

- Mohammed is a liar and Allah is a demon, hence saying some questions are unnecessary is equivalent to brainwashing people and maintaining the power of the cult of islam.

viaro:
What is scary about the highlighted part?

1. The style of highligthing and referencing is something my memory tells me that I learnt from Pilgrim.1

2. Do not worry about my observations, lets focus on my questions:

- Can you please settle this once and for all.

- I would take your word as your honour.

- I am assuming that you claim to be a Bible believer.

- If you lie in your response, then its your own personal issue to deal with as regards your conscience.

- Your response is what i would hold unto as from this moment henceforth.


The questions are:

1. ARE YOU PILGRIM.1

2. ARE YOU MAVENBOX.

3. ARE YOU A HE [/b]OR A [b]SHE.

viaro:
I don't have to try half as hard as you, KunleOshob. If you have even followed this thread at all, you would understand that my looking into her profile and past posts were a consequence of folks like you alleging viaro = pilgrim.1, I made this point clear to Jesoul here. I haven't gone through all her posts, but from the ones I saw when she debated Catholicism with Catholics, she was asked that question several times and she didn't give any indication. If anyone feels I was mistaken, I'd be happy to be corrected: is that a problem to you? Please try harder, you're embarrassing your kangaroo court with your lame attempts.

@viaro

- The highlighted part is scary
- I think I actually learnt how to do that from Pilgrim.1

@viaro

- Can you please settle this once and for all.

- I would take your word as your honour.

- I am assuming that you claim to be a Bible believer.

- If you lie in your response, then its your own personal issue to deal with as regards your conscience.

- Your response is what i would hold unto as from this moment henceforth.


The questions are:

1. ARE YOU PILGRIM.1

2. ARE YOU MAVENBOX.

duduspace:
No2Atheism, wetin happen? has god gone missing?you are not likely to find him on the Sports section nor is Seun likely to be of any help as he is an atheist.

I frankly do not know how to respond to this. . .

Here is my own confusion now:

- Where is Pilgrim.1.

- Is Pilgrim.1 a He or a She. . . I have noticed some people referring to her as a He. Yet i have read an account of herself where she refered to herself as a she.

- Who is Viaro. . . is she Pilgrim.1 and also is she a he or a she.

- Who is Mavenbox.


I might be wrong, but i do not think Mavebox is Pilgrim.1: The reasons are that:

1.  All the time I have been on nairaland, Pilgrim.1 I did not see her profile picture. However Mavenbox has revealed her picture.

2.  Why would a self professed Bible believer seek to deceive people into thinking she is or she is not Viaro, considering that any matured Bible believer knows that he or she ought to be faithful in the little things and in the big things, hence having different identities would certainly not be in character of a Bible believer.

@9jaganja

1. With the flood

2. I am a scientist by nature, researcher by degree programme. . . hence even when I don't want to, I subconsciously tend to ask questions rather than go with the generally accepted dogma.

3. I know that not one dating method is absolute. They are all based on assumptions, such as circular reasoning, for example: rocks are dated by fossils found in them, and yet the same fossils are also dated by the same rocks  . That is two assumptions are used as references for each other.

4. I hope you  know that dinosaur bones containing blood have been found, hence that alone completely rubbishes the idea of millions of years. Not to even talk of the polystrata fossils and the scientific problems with dating accuracy.

FOR EXAMPLE, A ROCK THAT WAS RECENTLY FORMED AND WHOSE AGE IS KNOWN CUS IT OCCURED DURING OUR MODERN TIME, GUESS WAT: WHEN SOME DATING METHODS WERE USED, COMPLETELY HORRENDOUS AND CONTRADICTORY ANSWERS WERE OBTAINED.

SO YOU SEE, AS A SCIENTIST BY NATURE, IT SIMPLY TELLS ME THAT IF DATING METHODS ARE NOT ACCURATE FOR AGES THAT ARE KNOWN, HOW THE HECK DO WE EXPECT THEM TO BE ACCURATE FOR AGES THAT ARE UNKNOWN.

5. Archealogical findings are consistent with a sudden global catastrophe and not with gradual millions of years accummulation of fossils.

6. Polystrata fossils alone is a serious problem for evolutionary thinking.

7. There are ancient carvings showing that humans knew about Dinosaurs even before the modern misnomer known as the Theory of Evolution.

SO IN SUMMARY, DINOSAURS ARE NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME AS FAR AS CREATION IS CONCERNED.

9jaganja:
No educated man would believe the Bible.

Well,

- I am educated
- I am a bible believer

Hence I am an educated man who believes the Bible . . . infact it is very consistent with scientific observations.

mazaje:
This is false the word free will does not appear in the bible and the bible actually negates the free will argument. . . .the god of the bible does not give humans a choice.  According to the bible, everything you do and will do, from birth to death, is already known to the biblegod and written down in his book before you were born.

"your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." Psalm 139:16

The bible does not talk about people having the free will to choose anything. . . .there are verses that say that Christians were chosen before they were born. . . . Read some of Paul's letter where he talks about predestination. . .

False again because Nothing like that exist in the bible. . . If the bible is true and if humanity actually had freedom of choice, then there would be the risk that the prophecies espoused in the bible could be negated by humans choosing differently than what that god would need them to do in order to fulfill the prophecies if they posses free will. . . . . .In fact, every single moment of your day is completely and totally controlled by god according to the hypothesis, to follow precisely that which is already known to him. . . . . You have absolutely no choice in anything whatsoever because god according to the hypothesis already knows everything.  You will get up when god already knows you to get up, you will wear what god already knows you will wear, you will run over that specific cat that god already knows you will run over.  You cannot swerve your car to avoid it, because god already knows you will kill that cat, years before you were even born according to the bible so where did the free will argument come from?

This is really ridiculous . . .to be frank.

"your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." Psalm 139:16

How exactly does this have to do with choice . . . and free will.

I hope you know their is a difference between "Days" and "Free will" . . .

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One word for all the mis-information . . .

Book of Genesis


Man was created with the ability to make a choice in the Book of Genesis.

Chapter 1

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.





Chapter 2

15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.





Chapter 3

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
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6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


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mazaje:
I know that Lee Strobel is a lawyer NOT a scientist. . . .So he clearly does NOT know what he is talking about. . .

- Straw man argument . . .