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Christianity EtcRe: Masquerade Dances With Pastors And Church Members In Church (Photos, Video) by NobleRace: 6:48am On Jul 12, 2021
dake40:
The White really dealt with the Negros


Watch as they praise a foreign religion over their heritage.
Which heritage? Heritage that made you slaves for centuries without hope of deliverance?
BusinessRe: Free: Automated Traffic Arbitrage System That'll Make You Rich In 30 Days by NobleRace(op): 6:37am On Jul 12, 2021
NobleRace:
Free Training: The Automated Traffic Arbitrage System That'll Make You Rich In 30 Days


As the Nigerian economy continues to harden itself against the common man, it is not out of place to predict that this trend would continue and may even get worse before the current government leaves power.

There's the need for Nigerians to find sustenance, and infact, a durable, practicable and profitable one for that matter.

Someone is advertising this training below for ₦10k here on Nairaland, but by God's grace, we'll be giving it out for free. Absolutely free with no strings attached. We would also show you a hybrid of 2 powerful systems that'll net you up to $4k per month. This is a business you can start immediately with zero Investment and start making money in 48hrs!

What You'll Learn

The New Autonomous Traffic Arbitrage System That's Making Money for Only the Few Who Know About It


The system is based on Artificial Intelligence and generates the most passive income for individuals worldwide. Surprisingly only a handful of people know about it's existence.

Thanks to Artificial Intelligence, No website or personal effort is needed, All you have to do is follow the simple steps given in this free training which reveals how you too can start making money using this secret AI Traffic Robot by following some Smart Proven Techniques which we will show you for free.

The AI Traffic Arbitrage Robot is guaranteed to generate between 35% -100% monthly profit. 35% is the least estimated profit you can earn i.e on low months, But profits can reach up to 80% and even over 100% in some months.

So What Is This Artificial Intelligence Traffic Arbitrage Robot All About?

Most of you already know or must have heard about 'Cashback' Which is one of the main Marketing Weapons used in 2021 by huge companies to attract more customer traffic both online and offline. Now don't worry if you have never heard about Cashback or don't understand how it works as everything will be explained.

Cashback has been in constant evolution for a few years now and this traffic weapon is EXPLODING.

➥ It is an advantageous commission that partner brands such as Amazon, Microsoft, AliExpress, etc offer, in the form of a percentage that customers get back on their purchases.

This commission on each product can be as high as between 1.5% to 20% with most companies.

Your robot does all the work for you and gives you 55% of the cashback amount which are generated from each of the daily successful transactions while the aggregating company receives 45%.

What’s even more exceptional is that for every $1 of your investment in the Traffic Arbitrage Robot, it generates between $1.3 and $1.8 without fail. In the worse scenarios an estimated monthly profit of at least 35% and up to 80% or more are commonplace.

* Anyone regardless of their country or language can benefit from this.

* You don’t need to put a much money to start earning and are totally free of the amount you invest. You only need as little as $10 to start earning. And infact, you can start with zero Investment as we'll show you how to get free $50 loan from the company to begin your Investment journey.

* You have nothing else to do but to activate the robot following the simple steps you'll receive in the training. Then everything will be automatic.
You will only have to re-invest or withdraw the profits at will.

So The Following Will Be Covered In This Step By Step Member-Only Free Training

* How to get Exclusive and Confidential Access to this online AI. World’s first Autonomous Traffic Arbitrage bot, with interest rates of at least 35% per month.

* How to use a Smart Invest Technique to activate and use the AI optimally in order to generate the highest possible income.

* How to get $50 Offered by the company to kickstart your investment without having to put down anything. All profits generated will be yours.

* Links to get 24 hours support and regular updates.

How Much Will This Information Cost You? Absolutely Free!!!

How Do I Participate?

All you need to do is to open your Telegram App and search for Traffic Arbitrage Join the free training and start creating wealth.

Note: This is absolutely free. No strings attached. No one will ever charge you a dime.

See you in Traffic Arbitrage Group on Telegram.
Join this free class on Telegram. Lessons start tonight. It's absolutely free.
InvestmentRe: Free: Automated Traffic Arbitrage System That'll Make You Rich In 30 Days by NobleRace(op): 6:35am On Jul 12, 2021
ebisteven:
Good morning, I am interested
Join the class on Telegram. It's absolutely free
InvestmentFree: Automated Traffic Arbitrage System That'll Make You Rich In 30 Days by NobleRace(op): 1:00am On Jul 12, 2021
Free Training: The Automated Traffic Arbitrage System That'll Make You Rich In 30 Days.

As the Nigerian economy continues to harden itself against the common man, it is not out of place to predict that this trend would continue and may even get worse before the current government leaves power.

There's the need for Nigerians to find sustenance, and infact, a durable, practicable and profitable one for that matter.

Someone is advertising this training below for ₦10k here on Nairaland, but by God's grace, we'll be giving it out for free. Absolutely free with no strings attached. We would also show you a hybrid of 2 powerful systems that'll net you up to $4k per month. This is a business you can start immediately with zero Investment and start making money in 48hrs!

What You'll Learn

The New Autonomous Traffic Arbitrage System That's Making Money for Only the Few Who Know About It


The system is based on Artificial Intelligence and generates the most passive income for individuals worldwide. Surprisingly only a handful of people know about it's existence.

Thanks to Artificial Intelligence, No website or personal effort is needed, All you have to do is follow the simple steps given in this free training which reveals how you too can start making money using this secret AI Traffic Robot by following some Smart Proven Techniques which we will show you for free.

The AI Traffic Arbitrage Robot is guaranteed to generate between 35% -100% monthly profit. 35% is the least estimated profit you can earn i.e on low months, But profits can reach up to 80% and even over 100% in some months.

So What Is This Artificial Intelligence Traffic Arbitrage Robot All About?

Most of you already know or must have heard about 'Cashback' Which is one of the main Marketing Weapons used in 2021 by huge companies to attract more customer traffic both online and offline. Now don't worry if you have never heard about Cashback or don't understand how it works as everything will be explained.

Cashback has been in constant evolution for a few years now and this traffic weapon is EXPLODING.

➥ It is an advantageous commission that partner brands such as Amazon, Microsoft, AliExpress, etc offer, in the form of a percentage that customers get back on their purchases.

This commission on each product can be as high as between 1.5% to 20% with most companies.

Your robot does all the work for you and gives you 55% of the cashback amount which are generated from each of the daily successful transactions while the aggregating company receives 45%.

What’s even more exceptional is that for every $1 of your investment in the Traffic Arbitrage Robot, it generates between $1.3 and $1.8 without fail. In the worse scenarios an estimated monthly profit of at least 35% and up to 80% or more are commonplace.

* Anyone regardless of their country or language can benefit from this.

* You don’t need to put a much money to start earning and are totally free of the amount you invest. You only need as little as $10 to start earning. And infact, you can start with zero Investment as we'll show you how to get free $50 loan from the company to begin your Investment journey.

* You have nothing else to do but to activate the robot following the simple steps you'll receive in the training. Then everything will be automatic.
You will only have to re-invest or withdraw the profits at will.

So The Following Will Be Covered In This Step By Step Member-Only Free Training

* How to get Exclusive and Confidential Access to this online AI. World’s first Autonomous Traffic Arbitrage bot, with interest rates of at least 35% per month.

* How to use a Smart Invest Technique to activate and use the AI optimally in order to generate the highest possible income.

* How to get $50 Offered by the company to kickstart your investment without having to put down anything. All profits generated will be yours.

* Links to get 24 hours support and regular updates.

How Much Will This Information Cost You? Absolutely Free!!!

How Do I Participate?

All you need to do is to open your Telegram App and search for Traffic Arbitrage Join the free training and start creating wealth.

Note: This is absolutely free. No strings attached. No one will ever charge you a dime.

See you in Traffic Arbitrage Group on Telegram.
BusinessFree: Automated Traffic Arbitrage System That'll Make You Rich In 30 Days by NobleRace(op): 12:46am On Jul 12, 2021
Free Training: The Automated Traffic Arbitrage System That'll Make You Rich In 30 Days


As the Nigerian economy continues to harden itself against the common man, it is not out of place to predict that this trend would continue and may even get worse before the current government leaves power.

There's the need for Nigerians to find sustenance, and infact, a durable, practicable and profitable one for that matter.

Someone is advertising this training below for ₦10k here on Nairaland, but by God's grace, we'll be giving it out for free. Absolutely free with no strings attached. We would also show you a hybrid of 2 powerful systems that'll net you up to $4k per month. This is a business you can start immediately with zero Investment and start making money in 48hrs!

What You'll Learn

The New Autonomous Traffic Arbitrage System That's Making Money for Only the Few Who Know About It


The system is based on Artificial Intelligence and generates the most passive income for individuals worldwide. Surprisingly only a handful of people know about it's existence.

Thanks to Artificial Intelligence, No website or personal effort is needed, All you have to do is follow the simple steps given in this free training which reveals how you too can start making money using this secret AI Traffic Robot by following some Smart Proven Techniques which we will show you for free.

The AI Traffic Arbitrage Robot is guaranteed to generate between 35% -100% monthly profit. 35% is the least estimated profit you can earn i.e on low months, But profits can reach up to 80% and even over 100% in some months.

So What Is This Artificial Intelligence Traffic Arbitrage Robot All About?

Most of you already know or must have heard about 'Cashback' Which is one of the main Marketing Weapons used in 2021 by huge companies to attract more customer traffic both online and offline. Now don't worry if you have never heard about Cashback or don't understand how it works as everything will be explained.

Cashback has been in constant evolution for a few years now and this traffic weapon is EXPLODING.

➥ It is an advantageous commission that partner brands such as Amazon, Microsoft, AliExpress, etc offer, in the form of a percentage that customers get back on their purchases.

This commission on each product can be as high as between 1.5% to 20% with most companies.

Your robot does all the work for you and gives you 55% of the cashback amount which are generated from each of the daily successful transactions while the aggregating company receives 45%.

What’s even more exceptional is that for every $1 of your investment in the Traffic Arbitrage Robot, it generates between $1.3 and $1.8 without fail. In the worse scenarios an estimated monthly profit of at least 35% and up to 80% or more are commonplace.

* Anyone regardless of their country or language can benefit from this.

* You don’t need to put a much money to start earning and are totally free of the amount you invest. You only need as little as $10 to start earning. And infact, you can start with zero Investment as we'll show you how to get free $50 loan from the company to begin your Investment journey.

* You have nothing else to do but to activate the robot following the simple steps you'll receive in the training. Then everything will be automatic.
You will only have to re-invest or withdraw the profits at will.

So The Following Will Be Covered In This Step By Step Member-Only Free Training

* How to get Exclusive and Confidential Access to this online AI. World’s first Autonomous Traffic Arbitrage bot, with interest rates of at least 35% per month.

* How to use a Smart Invest Technique to activate and use the AI optimally in order to generate the highest possible income.

* How to get $50 Offered by the company to kickstart your investment without having to put down anything. All profits generated will be yours.

* Links to get 24 hours support and regular updates.

How Much Will This Information Cost You? Absolutely Free!!!

How Do I Participate?

All you need to do is to open your Telegram App and search for Traffic Arbitrage Join the free training and start creating wealth.

Note: This is absolutely free. No strings attached. No one will ever charge you a dime.

See you in Traffic Arbitrage Group on Telegram.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Abel Damina: Hallelujah Is Not A Heavenly Language (Video) by NobleRace: 7:45pm On Jul 11, 2021
GeneralPula:
Everything about Christianity is Man-made..

Nah why pastors no dey practice wetin dem dey preach..
The devil has scammed your soul. Make diligence to recover it before it's too late.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Abel Damina: Hallelujah Is Not A Heavenly Language (Video) by NobleRace: 7:39pm On Jul 11, 2021
Jesuschristus:
Speaking in tongue is demonic, show me where Jesus did it
Jesus didn't but He said those who believe in Him would speak in new tongues:

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; " Mark 16:17
Christianity EtcRe: Bill Wiese: 'I Died & Went To Hell' (23 Questions About Hell) by NobleRace: 1:21pm On Jul 11, 2021
Sheunma:
Person go hell come back write book about his experience still decides to make earthly money from it grin
Did his god supposedly showed him hell for him to make money? Isn't salvation supposed to be free huh
All these crooked business tactic should be outdated by now but of course mumu folks who spend their entire lives in fear of imaginary hell still boku for the world. This one worse pass ponzi o!
You expect him to publish millions of books and distribute them for free?
InvestmentRe: How Legit Is Paystack Gold Mining? by NobleRace: 8:08pm On Jul 10, 2021
impactValue:
Hi Fam,

I got this URL https://paystack.com/pay/mt4qcifnjb from a friend suggesting a certain weekly 5k subscription that will be used for gold mining and part of the return ( i.e. profit ) will be sent to my account after subscription.

What is your take on this? Is it legit? Has anyone in this forum tried it before? I want to get your reviews and share them with her, please.

Thanks
Scammers. Run!!!
Foreign AffairsRe: Russian Fighter Jets ‘scrambled To Intercept US Spy Plane Over Black Sea(pix) by NobleRace: 8:11pm On Jul 09, 2021
OutOfContext:
Then let him open a thread for that and stop yaning dust on another persons thread.
He spoke in line with the topic with regards to eternity which should be the concern of every living being who would die one day
Foreign AffairsRe: Russian Fighter Jets ‘scrambled To Intercept US Spy Plane Over Black Sea(pix) by NobleRace: 8:35am On Jul 09, 2021
OutOfContext:
Make him go open church na... undecided
Wherever human beings are, telling them what lies ahead after death is welcome.
Foreign AffairsRe: Russian Fighter Jets ‘scrambled To Intercept US Spy Plane Over Black Sea(pix) by NobleRace: 9:17pm On Jul 08, 2021
OutOfContext:
To wipe 2by2 dey hungry me angry
Someone is warning you to escape eternal danger, and that makes you angry?

Okay, please keep living anyhow. Embrace eternal damnation if you consider that a great choice.

Eternal rest isn't by force!
PoliticsRe: Malami Replies Kelechi Madu On Nnamdi Kanu by NobleRace: 12:21pm On Jul 08, 2021
Blessedassuranc:
I have always maintained that Malami lacks natural logic and reasoning capacity . And I still wonder how he passed Jamb
Honestly!
Christianity EtcRe: Dunamis Statement On Arrest, Detention Of Buhari Must Go Protesters In Abuja by NobleRace: 7:22pm On Jul 07, 2021
Amotolongbo:
This one doesn’t know about the atrocities committed by Catholicism during the medieval period and subsequently with the Protestants
That was when the church was in control of the state. The atrocities of the medieval period ended when a consensus was reached for the separation of the church and state.
PoliticsRe: Malami Replies Kelechi Madu On Nnamdi Kanu by NobleRace: 6:33pm On Jul 07, 2021
What Madu upbraided him for was the manner in which Kanu was arrested, but the slow spoke is calling Madu an empty vessel by saying Kanu committed treason. Does the fact that he committed treason justify the manner in which you arrested him? That's the question Malami should answer. That's what Madu is asking him.
PoliticsRe: PIB: South-West Governors, Senators, Reps To Meet In Abuja On Tuesday by NobleRace: 9:31am On Jul 06, 2021
yorubarere:
How will they take actions without meeting and conclude with one voice? Don't just criticize for the fun of it. Go figure what they call constructive criticism.
You're on the same page with him. He didn't say meetings are not needed. He said 'not just meetings'. Meaning meetings must transmute to actions.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 8:02pm On Jun 29, 2021
colp2015:
God bless you more abundantly, sir!
Amen sir. God bless you too.
PoliticsRe: Yoruba Scholars, Monarchs Caution Igboho, Demand Decentralised Govt by NobleRace: 12:53pm On Jun 22, 2021
Monogamy:
You are not really sounding good lately... You have lied more than Mr Lai on NL.

I think you should take some break
He's Fulani pretending to be Yoruba.
InvestmentRe: Turn Your Lucrative Idea Into A Fantastic Website. Pay After Service. by NobleRace: 6:13am On Jun 22, 2021
CrystalBliss:
I have observed that many youths have great ideas which they wan to showcase to the world, but for lack of funds, the ideas remain in the cooler. For a limited time, I want to help many Nigerians to get an online presence, and showcase their ideas to the world.

I'll help you to get online with:

1. Free hosting
2. $1 Domain
3. Very cheap global promotion.

If you need this service, simply signify your interest. I'll contact you for talks.

Payment is after service.
Smiles. You must be a good Samaritan.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 2:32pm On Jun 21, 2021
coscj:
Really? So tb Joshua is unsaved. By what authority did you determine that?
I already asked you to tell me what he told you about his encounter with Christ after he had been known to practice occultism in the 80s. You replied that the Holy Spirit has a mind of his own and that people like me wouldn't understand. I'm therefore asking you if the Holy Spirit can use an unsaved person, since the Holy Spirit has a mind of His own.

Whether TB Joshua was saved or not is between him and God. But it would be unwise of me as a human being knowing his antecedents to follow him without first asking 'Have you given your life to Christ?'. He never shared his encounter with Christ with anyone! This is a testimony he would doubtless have shared if he actually had an encounter. Instead, he was talking about his father and mother!
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace:
coscj:
Who am to clearify the position of Prophet?

Only a Prophet can validate another prophet.
A pastor is not a Prophet
An evangelist can not function as a prophet
There are levels to these kind of things.
It might be impossible for your type to understand how God moves. Even John the Baptist was questioning Jesus's status as messiah. But you want us to do Barnabas and saul on nairaland...even if I write one million articles about tb Joshua you will never believe. The only way you will, is if God grants you a revelation. But don't expect it, it may not come. Those who have had the opportunity have confirmed already.
Except you're an hypocrite, the Holy Spirit doesn't use unsaved people. If you're not sure of the conversion of a known spiritist, you dare not make a defense of him.

Your words above, saying "Only a Prophet can validate another prophet" shows how ignorant you are. So, which Prophet helped you validate TB Joshua before you made him your Lord and savior?

Or do you mean, the Holy Spirit will use:

1. Someone who's not saved?
2. Someone can start doing the work of God without the call of God?
3. Anyone who prophesys and performs miracles is validated to be a minister of the gospel?

You better get sincere with yourself, and stop this hypocrisy.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace:
coscj:
God does not need your validation to use anyone. Even if he(tb Joshua) fullfills all this questions or sceptiscm you have, satan will still plant another doubt in your mind. And you go about spreading it, the more you spread it the more God increases his anointing and relevance. No wonder the bible talks about a rejected corner stone becoming the Chief cornerstone.
Hear this: The Holy spirit has a mind of it's own, if you expect HIS workings to conform to your 'expectations' (of what qualifies a person to be man of God)then you are wasting your time. It can't happen. The spirit acts and moves according to God's will not our symbolic beliefs.

My advise to you is go and work on your relationship with God.
So, you mean the Holy Spirit can use an unsaved man from the occult as His minister? The Holy Spirit does not only have a mind of His own, He's the Master, and Leader of every genuine Church. Yes, He can act in ways you don't expect but for bringing a servant into His Vineyard, He already stated that 'God heareth not sinners.'

Why does the Bible say 'Try all spirits'? You mean if Guru Mahraji starts a church today, you'll attend without minding whether he has given his life to Christ genuinely or not? He immediately becomes 'your chief cornerstone' because the Holy Spirit has a mind of His own.

Even Paul received a rejection treatment from the Apostles when he tried to join them in Jerusalem. It took Barnabas to tell them that he has met the Lord, and then after hearing his personal testimony of salvation, Paul recounted in Ephesians 1, that they gave him the 'free hand of fellowship.' God has never left His church without a rule to follow in accepting men and woman as bonafide co-labourers in the vineyard.

I hope to actually justify TB Joshua. Since you're his follower, you owe the world a responsibility to clarify the misunderstanding about him if any, the same way Barnabas did for Saul of Tarsus.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 5:10pm On Jun 18, 2021
bizzibodi:
"Scriptural proofs"without any biblical backing?
All you do is self-glorification & self righteousness.
Removed log from your eyes first.
If you can't answer d questions then you are denying yourself & Christ.
You're an hypocrite.

Answer what questions? What do I owe you? Are you my church member? Have I invited you to join my congregation? Or what? Questions are asked with valid reasons, and answers are justifiably provided. Nobody answers a foolish question that has no logical basis.

I asked you hypocrite, what did TB Joshua tell you about his salvation experience? What church was he attending before he started synagogue? How did he receive his call from God? At least, this would justify your followership of him, otherwise, you're a blind follower. You only saw miracles and televised acts of charity and concluded him to be a man of God. Does the devil not perform miracles? Satan also gives!

Jesus said 'When you give your alms, do so in secret." TB Joshua would televise it against the Lord's Instructions. That's for God to judge anyway.

But as a human being, I wouldn't know who you are until I can ascertain that you're saved, and you've met the Lord Jesus. He preached over 20yrs and never shared how he went from darkness to light, but only shared stories about his family which have no kingdom bearings. Except you can answer my questions, you're are a disservice to the kingdom of God and of course, you do your soul a lot of damage.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 4:58pm On Jun 18, 2021
coscj:
Foolishness of the wise indeed. I see that Bible School has reduced the functioning of the Holy spirit to mere theory and wishful thinking.

Some people are waiting for salvation story. while God has taken his humble servant home. Very funny.
Is this your wisdom? Someone who was a known spiritualist from a Muslim background suddenly starts a church in the 90s without any proof of his encounter with Christ becomes your prophet? Jesus Christ rightly said 'Even the elect shall be deceived.' Is this your wisdom?
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 10:48am On Jun 18, 2021
bizzibodi:
You are beaten about d bush,you have not answered the questions i earnestly asked you.
Can you see the fruits you're already bearing? You call all scriptural proofs 'beating about the bush'. Then lied you asked me questions when I was the first to ask you without you having an answer. You threw my questions about TB Joshua back at me because you couldn't answer them. Yet you're following him. A blind follower you are. I already answered you that I have answered those questions I asked about TB Joshua to those who matter. TB Joshua didn't answer those questions to anyone in his lifetime. He failed those people.

I doubt your salvation. You have respect for men like TB Joshua but none for the Word of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 9:17pm On Jun 17, 2021
Eviana:
You made a mistake though at the above bolded red: It's "ma'am".....not "sir". I am very much a female born of a female. Some people on N.L. desperately wish I was a male, but I am incapable of making that wish come true....nor do I want to..with all due respect.
You are welcome.
May you continue to rightly divide the word of God....which is truth.
Amen.

My apology.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 9:15pm On Jun 17, 2021
Kobojunkie:
When Jesus Christ called His disciples, they too all had what you call a salvation experience. Yes, they abandoned it all to follow Him, Jesus Christ, enduring Homelessnesss and lose of source of livelihood, reputation, Self-control, worth etc. all to follow Jesus Christ. Just over 3 years later, Judas falls and Peter almost went the same way. This before the Spirit of God showed up on the scene. And we were not even talking of the many others who started on the journey with them but eventually fell along the way when they could no longer stomach the teachings of Jesus Christ- John 6.

The Salvation experience is not of relevance when it comes to telling those who belong to Jesus Christ from those who do not and this is evidenced in the fact tha even Jesus Christ Himself made it clear that those who love Him aren't those who have a fantastical Salvation experience to regale you with but instead those who submit to and obey His commandments/rules - those are the ones who truly belong to Him. undecided

Over and over, I keep repeating what Jesus Christ Himself said of those who belong to Him, in hopes that it will sink into you, at some point, what you are arguing against is not my opinion, but God's very Word where it concerns who belongs to Him and wo doesn't. My hope is that you abandon the doctrines and traditions of men which you seem to have covered yourself in so you can finally open yourself to God's Truth as it was given us even 2000 years ago. undecided
It is your type who create heresies from unbalanced interpretation of scriptures, make yourselves into teachers, and lead astray many gullible souls. After showing you your errors from the scriptures, disbanding your demonic thinking about the parable of the tares, your thoughts about the Spirit of God, the Kingdom of God and the testimony of salvation, you're still forming teacher of strange revelations.

Judas Iscariot was prophesied to be a son of perdition. He was once a saved soul, but he fell. In Acts 1, Peter recounted that 'He was one of us' but he fell from his position.

After you're saved, the devil keeps hunting your soul. That's why Hebrews 10:39, says:

"But we are not of those drawing back to destruction, but of faith to the preserving of the soul."

Peter described the backsliding of a believer in these words:

"But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire" 2 Peter 2:22.

As a result, Paul warned:

"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." 1Cor. 10:12.

Of such who backslide without repentance Hebrews 10:29 says:

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Therefore, the Lord Jesus commanded us to hold fast till He comes. Revelation 2:25.

Just like a chick saved from a hawk under the brooding wings of its mother, can wander away from under her mother's safe protection into the waiting arms of a furious hawk, a saved soul can wander away into perdition.

This is why there are Churches and preachers whom God has commissioned to nurture and provide support for everyone as we journey into the kingdom.

Hence, we are advised:

"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Hebrews 10:25.

By reading your anti unscriptural revelations so far, I fear you are one of those guilty of the bolded. Repent, my brother, before it is too late. Get a mentor and a sound Assembly that'll bring nourishment to your soul.


The fact that believers have a tendency to fall does not imply that we can now discard the testimony of a person's salvation as a means of knowing whether he had ever met Jesus.

As I said earlier. The testimony of a person's salvation is what matters to us as human beings except God reveals other things about the person. What concerns us is 'Is he saved? Has he given his heart to Christ?' What the fellow does with his salvation is between him and his maker. We cannot dismiss the testimony of salvation, and then admit men of the occult unto our pulpits.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 6:48pm On Jun 16, 2021
Eviana:
Noblerace,
Don't know you from Adam, however you are undoubtedly a student of the Word....and clearly from what I've read here in the last few replies to the other poster (because I haven't read through the entire thread or all of your comments on it) are also a teacher.
You have explained this very well.
That's all I would like to say.
Thank you very much sir. God bless your soul.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 8:58am On Jun 16, 2021
Kobojunkie:
1. There is no such thing as a "sudden" change to put faith in Jesus Christ and His perfect Will, the human mind does not work that way, let alone the heart, body and soul. It is instead a gradual process, which requires a lot of self-conviction - does not happen overnight either - to go from unbeliever to one who is ready and willing to submit to obeying the comandments/rules of God. undecided

Repentance, as preached by John the Baptist, and then Jesus Christ, does not connote mental assent to stop sinning. No, instead it is a decision to be made in mind, body, heart, and soul to change one's life and heart - sin habits - to chose instead obedience of that which God commands. Action is necessary for this change to take place in a person and action in the direction of obedience rather than continuing in disobedience. undecided

That is why in Matthew 3 vs 7-11, when John the Baptist saw the Pharisees approaching Him, also wanting to be baptized, he warned them to first to back and change their lives and hearts before they can be baptized. undecided

2. As for your conclusion on the use of capital "S" in scripture to connote the Spirit of God, I am afraid you are very much mistaken, unless you are here suggesting that the teachings recorded in John 3 vs 5 as a result of some error of omission on the part of Jesus Christ. undecided

Now, according to Jesus Christ, only after one has been made perfect/holy will the Father(the Spirit of God) come and make His home in, and this (holiness/perfection) can be attained through submission and obedience of the comandments/rules of Jesus - John 14 vs 20 -21.
So, no one who has only just entered into the Kingdom of God is holy to receive the Spirit of God in them. Jesus Christ said to those who believed in Him, this in John 8 vs 31 - 40, they must first break free of slavery to sin and this by submitting to the Truth(teachings & laws of Jesus Christ) for it is only by Knowing the Truth that they are set free by the Truth. As you can see, there is a process involved to obtaining the Spirit of God( the mark of righteousness) and so your assertions that those who repent are immediately born of the Spirit of God Himself is nothing short of deceit. undecided

3. In[b] 1 Peter 1 vs. 23[/b], the writer does not make mention of the Spirit of God but instead speaks of eternal life, the result of Salvation, which I already mentioned about 2 posts ago, belongs to everyone who enters into the Kingdom of God, regardless of the gate through which a one entered in through, for everyone who enters enters into eternal life. undecided

4. Jesus Christ never taught on 2 ways into Eternal life. Instead, He taught that the one way to obtain eternal life is to believe in and eat of His body and drink of His blood - John 6 vs 47 - 56. There are no 2 kinds to eternal life as there is one and Jesus Christ is the Eternal life that we all obtain from doing as He has commanded in John 6 vs 47 - 56.
Eternal life does not have gates..it is instead received through the eating and drinking of real food just as Jesus Christ said. Instead what does is the Kingdom of God and in Matthew 7 vs 13-14, rightly teaches of 2 gates into such a Kingdom which in John 3 vs 1 -21, He goes on to speak of how to enter into said Kingdom. In the parable of wheat and tares, He speaks of two different species living together right there inside of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 13 vs 24 -30. Tell me, was Jesus Christ mistaken? undecided

As to the place of Hell, Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 explains clearly that those who are bound for hell are eternally (eternal life/consciousness is theirs as well) damned - eternal life belongs to those in the Kingdom of God( not those outside of it) - John 6 vs 46 - 57 - this since they also believe in Jesus Christ and who do enter into the Kingdom of God. Of course we already know the demons and devils believe - this according to James. undecided

* When you read scripture, learn to take it all on so you clearly bigger picture and not walk away with fragments that don't fit properly together. Try to read each book the same way you would read a favorite novel, digesting each and every detail from beginning to end, before moving on to other books. That way you not only gets better sense of the message but also see for yourself what the writer is in fact attempting to say, in his way. undecided
1. Yesterday, someone was a sinner. He drank himself full, womanized and even faught dirty at a joint. Today, the Holy Spirit arrested him (He might have been working on him for a long time) after receiving a ministration that penetrated his heart. The ministration could be a song, a gospel message, an event or even a gentle thought. He sees the folly of his ways, repents and turns a new leaf. Desiring earnestly to right himself with his maker. What people would see is the sudden change. They wonder why he who so vilely spent his time yesterday, is now earnestly seeking God.

Whether, the change is sudden or gradual isn't the issue here. The issue is that he changed. He has a new heart. The change and the events leading to it all make up his testimony of salvation. He could now say 'Once I was blind, but now I can see.' He abandons the path of hell which he has so blindly trodden, and now by the illumination of the Holy Spirit begins to tread the path of eternal life.

2. The paths leading to eternity are 2. The path leading to eternal life is 1. Read my last mention again. My emphasis regarding the two paths is on eternity and not on eternal life. Eternity consists of eternal life and eternal damnation.

3. On the parable of the tare, you err greatly. To say that both the wheat and the tares were growing together in the kingdom of God is a great disservice to God's Kingdom. For the sake of people like you who might want to wrest the word of God to favour their own private interpretations, Jesus Christ expressly explained the parable to His disciples saying "The field is this earth. The angels are the reapers. And the harvest is the end of this world." While Jesus Christ clearly explained that the field where both the wheat and the tares grow together is this earth, you're here claiming again and again that the wheat and the tares were growing in the kingdom of God. Is the earth the kingdom of God? Or are you saying everybody including Satan is in the kingdom of God?

4. I have noticed in your previous mentions that you tend to separate Paul's writings from the Word of God. You say 'Paul said' but 'God said'. That's a great error. God has never spoken directly in Scripture, except in the voice that came to Jesus as He was being baptized, and the old testament incident of Horeb where God spoke directly to the people. God's word has always been spoken through men.

Regarding Paul's writings, Peter wrote in
◄ 2 Peter 3:16 ►

"As also in all his (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Take note of the bolded. Paul's writings are part of the scriptures. They constitute the infallible word of God. Peter clarified it thus:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21.

Again, the Bible says:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Timothy 3:16.

Paul's writings are established as the inspired word of God.

4. Your assertion about the capital 'S' in reference to the Spirit of God is based on an acute ignorance of Biblical interpretation. I can do a whole exegesis on these things for you to see clearly that the Bible writes spirits and Spirit. The capital S starting the word connotes the Holy Spirit. This is globally recognized by Bible scholars in all ages. Each time the Bible uses the small 's' in the word, it refers to any other spirits. To avoid confusion, the Bible clearly differentiates between the Spirit of God and other spirits. Even in that same John 3. '...born of water and of Spirit'. Then, 'whatsoever is born of spirit (any spirit) is spirit. Whatsoever is born of flesh is flesh.' Meaning the offspring must take the form of its progenitor. This capitalization style appears also in Son of man (Jesus Christ) and son of man (you and I). A little perusal of the scriptures would confirm this to you. Your argument on this is absolutely uncalled for.

5. Too much errors in your interpretations. No one is saved or comes to confess Jesus as His Lord and personal Savior genuinely without the Holy Spirit.

The Mystery of Salvation

When a soul receives illumination, he repents and asks for forgiveness. The Lord the takes him up and washes him clean in His blood. He becomes a new creature. At that point of his cleansing, his heart becomes habitable for the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God comes to dwell in him immediately. He awakens his conscience. The man becomes conscious of sin. He's not yet perfect. He is expected to keep walking towards perfection. He's still a baby in Christ. He continues to cleanse himself as he studies the word of God and grows. The Holy Spirit begins to get more and more room to work and to move in his life, and when he attains maturity, he becomes a useful instrument to bless others and bring them into salvation.

Regarding your take on pastors and men of God generally, I'll do justice to this in my next mention.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 7:49pm On Jun 14, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Anyone can claim to have entered into the Kingdom of God. So long as the person believes in Jesus Christ, has been baptized i water, and has eaten of the body and drunk of the blood of Jesus Christ, the person is likely inthe Kingdom of God. But recall that not all those who enter into the Kingdom of God are of God - the Parable of the wheat and tares, Matthew 13 vs 24 -40

However, to know if a person belongs to Jesus Christ, I follow Jesus Christ's instruction, observing the fruits if such a claim. A person who belongs to Jesus Christ is one who focus is solely on submitting to and obeying the commandments & teachings of Jesus Christ - good fruits where the Kingdom of God is concerned. Such a person understands that it is ultimately the way to God and pleasing God - nothing else will do. undecided
That sudden change in the person to put faith in Jesus Christ and submit to His perfect will is what we call the testimony of salvation.

The fellow was previously walking in disobedience. He repented. Changed his ways. Submitted to the Lordship of Christ. That's the testimony of salvation. He'll struggle in the beginning to obey because of the weakness of the flesh, but he picks himself up whenever he fails. He no longer rejoices in his sins. He has a conviction each time leading him to ask God for pardon, and so carries on with his walk with God. The testimony of this changed life is the testimony of salvation.

Also, note that everywhere in scripture, where the word spirit starts with the Capital S, is a reference to the Holy Spirit. All student of the Bible are aware of this. Spirit, Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost are all references to the Holy Spirit. The spirit of man or any other spirit are always written in small letter 's'. Please, take note. You can compare different verses of scripture to confirm this. So John 5:3 is referencing that you must be born of water and of the Holy Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. This is the concept of being born again as in 1Peter 1:23.

There are two ways leading to eternity and not the kingdom of God. One to eternal life and the other to eternal damnation. The kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17). There's no hell fire in the kingdom of God.

Hell fire is a separate place of punishment for the devil and all who obey him.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 6:44pm On Jun 14, 2021
Kobojunkie:
I see you like to level accusations at others without tackling head on the exact parts of their statement for which you claim you have problems with. I had peddled no doctrine of my own except tell the Truth as written of in Scripture through God Himself. undecided

1. The Law Himself, tells you nothing of your conversion experience, implying it is of no importance where the Kingdom of God is concerned. Instead, the focus of the Law in its entirety same as every other Law that God has given man is placed on total submission and obedience, the dividing line between those who belong to God and those who do not. Adam fell from God because he did not submit to and obey God's commandments to him. undecided

2. As for John 3 vs 1- 21, Jesus Christ Himself did not mention any Spirit in particularly and we know that there are all kinds of Spirits written of, even demons and devils are classified as Spirits. So, I am not certain why you are having a hard time with that one.

Whether you chose to capitalize the "S" or not in your own writings, means nothing here and the greek text is of no value here since what is written there still in human language can be clearly comprehended by those willing to use the understanding they have(basic language comprehension skills to start with). The experience Jesus Christ spoke of in that verse happens to all those who enter into the Kingdom of God be it through the Broad gate that leads to Hell - surely you know enough that the Spirit of God does not live in that which is unholy- , and in those few who enter into the Kingdom of God through the Narrow Gate. undecided

3. Pray instead for your own self, that God helps rid you of the doctrines and tradition of men, lies where God's Truth is concerned so you can finally see. God's Truth (Law) has been available to man for at least 2000 years. Anyone still blind to what the Law stipulates, is to blame for his/her arrogance and ignorance. undecided
Before I go any further, let me ask you, 'how do you as an individual know someone who has entered into the kingdom of God?'
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Nigerian Pastors Never Liked TB Joshua by NobleRace: 8:26am On Jun 14, 2021
Kobojunkie:
I can boldly state it because your Salvation stories which you tell yourselves as proof of your claim to be of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ, but are instead born of the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ thoroughly condemned - Matthew 15 vs 1- 14 undecided

Jesus Christ taught salvation as being key to entering into the Kingdom of God but He never taught that could be used as marker in determining who belongs to Him and who doesn't. You suggesting that it does , even though Jesus Christ never stated this,are doing so against the very teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ which instructs us against the teaching of lies - doctrines and traditions of men - in His name and Kingdom - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 undecided

So in your mind,God lied in Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 and then again in John 10 vs 1 - 16? Everything God declared in His New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ,
is not meant to be believed and this because your Mogs have convinced you so? undecided
Your pastors are of most definitely called by God because you can quote Paul's letter to counter God's very own Words, His eternal Truth? undecided

Polluted doctrine you say. I am preaching that which is written right there in scripture for everyone to know - The Gospel of the Kingdom of God, the Law and Truth of God, Jesus Christ. It is His doctrine that you seem to consider polluted. undecided

P.S. Do you know what Salvation is meant to be from , as in what is it that a one who has Salvation is in fact saved from? undecided
Look, carry your false teachings elsewhere. Non of your points align with scriptures. I can see you're a lone ranger trying to misinterpret and misrepresent the faith.

You're the one peddling your own doctrines here. The conversion experience is scripturally valid. That's the deviding line between the old man and the new. Hebrews 6 calls it the foundation of the Christian faith. Hebrews 6 calls it the fundamentals of the doctrine of Christ.

I don't have the time to answer you from scripture to scriptures. Perhaps later on, I will.

Your misrepresentation of John 3:5 calls for scrutiny. You don't know God. You even said Jesus didn't state what spirit a mam should be born with to enter the kingdom of God. This is purely the doctrine of demons.

The Spirit in John 3:5 is written in capital letter 'S' clearly indicating the Spirit of God! Have you ever even read the Hebraic and Greek Texts to understand the literal imports of scripture?

Tonight, I'll create time for you. Perhaps, by the grace of God, thr Holy Spirit would work on you to deliver you from the delusional path in which the princes of hell have placed your soul.

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