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wirinet:
If the ten commandments are necessary, then;
Why do people call the name of GOD in vain numerous times every day?

what does this have to do with the 10 commandments?

Why do the bow at images of cross and revere the cross and crucifix?

what does the cross and crucifix signify?

Why are Christians and Jews alway eager to kill a Moslem or Arab in retaliation for thtem killing a christian?

from ur birth year till now, can u give us one example of this happening.

Why is no Christian ready to Keep the sabbath day (no matter which day it is) holy?

i tot u were an atheist. define holiness as obtained in the new testament?

Why is it children are to obey and honour pastors, priests and reverend fathers more than their parents?

where did u get that from the bible? u are suffering from massive delusion.

Why are Christian encourage to steal, cheat and commit all other forms of corruption in the name of prosperity (as long as they pay tithes)?

why are atheists encouraged to talk ignorantly through their noses?
stealing and all forms of corruption is by choice and has nothing to do with religious affiliations.

Why is adultery condoned in the churches, you have many unmarried couples as members of a church, sometimes with numerous children or heavily pregnant?

sounds like u have been visiting churches lately, . . , .u are beginning to realise the holes and emptiness in atheism. Jesus is Lord.
adultery is by choice. And there are wages for sin.

mazaje:
then pray to the elephant to come and crush him, thats what you are very good at here. binding casting and wishing doom on people because they do not believe in your imaginary deity. go ahead and tell jehova to destroy all the atheist in the world.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. to me atheism is the claim that there is no rational justification for belief in the existence of any god or gods. i take atheism to assert that, when all the evidence for and against is weighed, the best conclusion to draw is that there is no god. as an atheist, i deny exist of all gods (and demons) those of the muslims, the hindu, the ancient egyptians, and the god of the old and new testaments.

jehova god is an imaginary self contradictory deity that was created by the clever ancient hebrew misogynist men for a variety of purposes, ranging from psychological comfort, entertainment and also to serve as an excuse for stealing, raping and destryoing their enemies. the same god was then hig jacked by the gentiles(greek and romans) and was turned into another different deity(jesus).

Pls check the dictionary for the meaning of a self-contradicting idiot.
I d rather wait for huxley to present the unintelligent rubbish above as his defence (cos its obvious he is a little bit wiser than u) than tear apart ur meaningless assertions.

@ Huxley

I m still waiting for u.

toneyb:
which of the commandments? stoning of people to death because they pick sticks on the sabath or not boiling a baby goat in its mothers milk?

what book, chapter and verse did u read that from.?

ow11:
@Olaadegbu

I watched the video and have some reservations about those proofs. We are all searching for the truth. The bible holds the truth in not very clear terms but what my grouse is deceitful interpretations based on the bible. This ultimate answer would be found one day and I pray it is found in my lifetime. While I wait and search, I leave you to continue your arguments using whatever nonsense you find online as that would only reduce the efficacy of your argument and any credibility you have each time you do so.

who do u pray to?

Question 2:
What is Atheism and the rationality of ur beliefs?

I will help u paint the larger picture:

I define atheism as an irrational state of mind. . .  .where the subject of ones disbelief cannot be substantiated or defined.
Implying that an atheist lacks the rationality to substantiate the subject of his disbelief. By answering this question, u might prove me wrong.

Take for instance: I dont believe in the potency or imotality of Sango (yoruba god of thunder) and Ifa (yoruba god of divination).
I know who Ifa is, I have witnessed his divination abilities and sacrificial capacity. But I chose never to belief in him, my  choice is a function of rationality, intellectualism and an educated and oriented analysis. In other words I know who ifa is but dont believe in him.


I dont believe that a violent revolution is the answer to Nigeria`s numerous problems.
I know what violence is. I know what revolution is. and I know the history of Nigeria.
So my choice of disbelief is informed by knowledge and rationality.


I dont believe that the major division in nigeria is on tribal lines (between hausa, ibo, yoruba and other ethnic minorities). I believe that Nigeria`s main dividing point is between the oppressors and the oppressed.
I know the history of nigeria. I know who the hausas, ibos, yorubas are and I also know their history.
I know who and it means to be oppressed and I can identify an oppressor.


I dont belief that Communism is good for anyone.
I know what communism is. I know the history of its chief protagonists. And I know the concept of the major alternative to communism (democracy). My choice is rational and well informed cos I have an appreciative understanding of the concept I dont believe.


Now lets come to you: You HUXLEY (an atheist) dont believe in the existence of Jehovah God.
Who is Jehovah God? What is His ontology?

Question 1: Is a repeat of what u and ur band ran away from at the evolution thread.

You simply described the behaviours of RNA without sheding light of the origin or evolution of life.
U are discusing the self replicationg nature of RNA, while we are asking the pioneer formation of this RNA? how did it happen? which was the very first? what was its structure?

the commonest law of biogenesis says life begets life. Biology butresses this. Yet evolution claims that the first
substance of life were formed from non-living substances reffered to as "spontaneous generation". or am i wrong? RUBBISh, . . . . .
can u explain this contradiction?

Darwin claims that all organisms on earth are descent from a common ancestor or a last universal ancestor.
Whats ur explanation for the mitochondria gene exception? what is the identity and nature of the last common universal ancestor?

I am asking very simple straight forward questions here.
Evolution traces life to phylogenetic tree that that postulates three domains of life namely bacteria, archea and eucaryota. What is the major consesus or common denominator to whom life might can be traced to between these three?


Evolution claims that increasing complex chemical reactions that resulted from simpler chemical reactions are
the last traces of life. Me the creationist is asking u the evolutionist, what was the singular first chemical reaction that kick started life?
and what were the substances that made up this reaction?
what was the structure of the first living things?

i eargerly await ur response.

huxley:
My word is my bond. If I do not I shall send £100.00 to a charity of your choice and will take a leave of absence from NL for a month.

Are you gonna respond to mine?

Going by the testimonies of the brethren on nairaland, it doesnt seem lke ur word carries any weight.

huxley:
OK, am happy to post mine first. All I need is a promise that you will post yours as well.

whats the guarantee u will respond to my questions??

huxley:
OK, thanks for taking the offer and am awaiting your question as you are mind.

u are to post all ur 20 questions first. u gave me the challenge.

yes i agree

huxley:
Whi is gonna answer thes questions?   There have been here for more that 8 hours and NOT a single attempt yet.   C'mon Christian.  Where is Davidylan, Pastor AIO, neotic?  C'mon guys, you are letting the side down.   Soon you will accuse me to running away from my posts     

1)  Jesus's claim that he will come in his listeners lifetime

2) Why he advised his followers to physically maim themselves

3)  Why he advise his followers to NOT defend themselves against aggressors

4)  Why the two versions of the 10 commandments are discrepant

5)  The there are two narratives of the Noah Flood event massarading as one

6)  Why the narrative of the birht of Jesus are conflicting

7)  Why the narrative of his trial/conviction and execution and resurrection/ ascension are conflicting

8.)  Why the god of the bible is so vengeful and bloodthirty, killing millions of innocent children

9)  Why the main thrust of the religious narrative conflict of what we are now finding out about reality from science.

10) Why the religious does not seem to have any over "advantage" over the non-religious although god promised rewards here on earth for his followers?

the answers are very simple and ur fans do want us to answer them. So why dont u answer the posers we have raised to u and we will simultaneously answer this ones too. I hate to think u are a dullard.

1). Answer the posers in the first set of answers u got.
2).What is Atheism?
3).https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-251946.0.html
4).https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-250689.128.html

where is huxley?

they are upholding the law

blacksta:
IBB is our choice

who is our?

huxley:
Anyone to answer this one again?

we answer and then u run away. . , . .only retards do that

huxley:
hello guys,

I shall respond fully, when I get some time later today, cus am just finishing off my lunch break now at work.  In the meantime, why don't you go deal with my threads about:

1)  Jesus's claim that he will come in his listeners lifetime

2) Why he advised his followers to physically maim themselves

3)  Why he advise his followers to NOT defend themselves against aggressors

4)  Why the two versions of the 10 commandments are discrepant

5)  The there are two narratives of the Noah Flood event massarading as one

6)  Why the narrative of the birht of Jesus are conflicting

7)  Why the narrative of his trial/conviction and execution and resurrection/ ascension are conflicting

8.)  Why the god of the bible is so vengeful and bloodthirty, killing millions of innocent children

9)  Why the main thrust of the religious narrative conflict of what we are now finding out about reality from science.

10) Why the religious does not seem to have any over "advantage" over the non-religious although god promised rewards here on earth for his followers?


I have raised plenty of threads which have remained largely unaddress by you guys.  We have plenty of time to go back to these and discuss them if you want.


See you soon and sharpen your minds.

No its not a one way traffic. While I am ready to address all of ur questions, u must at least demonstrate a minimal level of intelligence.

u can start by responding to the given answers above, and since all ur crusade is about the nihilism of God u can also start by answering my question here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-251946.0.html

and of course we have also been asking u about the origin or evolution of life, since u are the chief evolutionist of nairaland. U can also answer that from here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-250689.128.html

until u do that, the world sees u as an attention seeking, fast retarding illiterate.

Horus:
After the alleged crucifixion, Yashu’a (aka Jesus) appeared several times to different people before he went to Galilee:

1-To Mary Magdalene disguised as a gardener. Why would a spirit have a disguise? . . .

why not?

2-To two travelers on the way to a village called Emmaus, with him they held a lengthy conversation. They didn’t know him. Why? Because he had on a disguise.

whats ur point?

3-To the eleven disciples and ate and talked with them. Spirits do not eat the food of the Earth. . . If you saw a person that you had heard was dead and buried wouldn’t you think it was a ghost?

That is the beauty of His ressurection. On ressurecting, He was not the same as ur late great-grand mother. He was/is GOD.

That’s exactly what the disciples thought. (Luke 24:36-37) He wanted them to touch his hands and feet. Why? He wanted them to feel the wounds he got during the fight in the Garden of Gethsemane. He wanted them to feel his flesh’s warmth and vitality. Thus he showed them that he was not a translated (gone from one state to another) body. He hadn’t metamorphosed and he obviously hadn’t resurrected because a resurrected body is a spiritual body, not physical. The New Testament says it over and over (I Corinthians 15:44-45, John 6:63).

How does the rubbish u said above, correspond to the scriptures u cited below?
1 corinthians 15:44-45
44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[a]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit

John 6:63
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[a] and they are life.

KunleOshob:
@Noetic
Nices responses, spot on. But the last response the sixth one is not about rapture or Jesus coming back it was just a parable Jesus made when preaching asermon.

thanks for d correction.

But please develop the habbit of always responding to the rubbish this guy posts, he seems to be misleading a lot of people.

Bastage:
All I see are Evolution theory advocates discussing evolution. I never see a Creationist explaining creationist theory. Why not?
Because it's so laughable they daren't broach the subject. All they can come out with is "God did it" and that's the total sum of their argument.

Its simply stated in genesis 1 and 2. If u have any questions about this please feel free to ask. u can start from here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-250689.64.html

@noetic

There's no intellect involved when discussing a subject using lies and deceit. You're telling a man with no eyes that he can see well.

Just like u, I am also entitled to my opinion.

huxley:
1)  The existence of a supernatural realm and a god that inhabits that realm

The bible has forever stated its case. Any evidence to the contrary?

2)  The nature of God and his attributes (otherwise known as the ontology of god)

This is essentially what atheism is supposed to adjudicate on - nothing else.   

Now, if you are making a claim fo the existence of an entity, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for that entity.  Atheists have no burden of proof on this subject.  Take the following little thought experiment as an example.

Do you believe in the existence of Sussicorn ?  By the way, you have every right to ask me about the ontology of Sussicorn.

If you don't, why don't you?   Think of all the other gods that humans have venerated in the past- Zues, Wotan, Appolo, Sango, Thor, etc, etc.  Why don't you believe in any of these gods today?  If you understand why you don't believe in these gods, you would understand why atheist don't believe in your god.
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After listening to the crappy youtube links u posted titled:What is God? I came to the conclusion that the maker of that video is in a confused state of mind, based on the obvious contradictions of his lyrics from both videos one and two.

All your questions will be answered here, but before we proceed can u please answer this:
WHAT IS THE ONTOLOGY OF HUXLEY?

huxley:
Evangelical forms of Christianity is sweeping the world apace but recent research reveals that the majority of the evangelical population are simply people who have converted from other Christian denominations into Evangelicalism.  The proportion of brand new converts is much much smaller than inter-christian sect conversions.  In fact, this is such a great cause for concern for the Vatican, especially in places like African, where the growth of evangelicalism over the last two decades has seen a major reduction in Catholic numbers.

The evnagelical movement is fronted by a multitude of high-profile and spectacular and flamboyant ministers who are now able to "plant" churches in many parts of the world.  The likes of Adeboye, Deya, JB Joshua, Hinn, Pastor Chris, etc, etc, etc now have ministries in many countries across the world and patronise glossy TV channels to spread their muck into the homes of millions.  I personally know of many Africa homes where they watch nothing else but these rubbish.

For the large part, these ministers/pastors/bishops are speaking to the choir or  converted audience.  Their message is really aimed at those already disposed to believe the non-sense they spout out.  They target the flocks or followers of other ministers, essentially. When a follower of one minister gets disillusioned with a certain pastor/minister, he/she simply turns around and starts attending the service of a rival minister, transfering his/her tithes payments to the new ministry, much to the delight of the new pastor and chagrin of the old.  Such musical chair is essentail what happens in the modern evangelical movements, and I see this amongst my family and friends who are adherents of their pastors.

The testimony of the Nairalander SirJohn is a case in point, in which he describes how he  becomes disaffected as a follower of Pastor Chris, having discovered the scam perpetrated by the pastor. I don't know who he follows now, but he is ripe material for sucking into some other charismatic pastor.  Essentially these churches compete for the same gullible audience, with the audience regularly moving from one whorehouse to another.

Who is the gullible one here. . . . 
a).    someone without a rational, cohorent and logical thought? Someone who cannot substantiate the basis of his disbelief?
b).     someone who chooses to believe the omnipotent one?

I will go for (a). But for ur insecurity and irrationality, u shouldnt be bothered with people who believe in what u dont believe. u need a radical reawakening.

[quote author=**osisi link=topic=252768.msg3642962#msg3642962 date=1238019359]Stay there and be entertaining a bipolar individual instead of pointing him to the nearest NHS shrink in Manchester.
His own family couldn't help his situation and you think you can?[/quote]

@ poster

I got ALL my indictments against Jesus from the rotten bible.

ur lunacy is legendary. why search a rotten book? why not leave a rotten book to those who believe in it?
me think ur brand of atheism has nothing to do with the nihilism or existence of God, but a lot to do with your lack of convictions, moral debauchery and incoherence of thoughts. 

1)  Did Jesus not send demons into someones pigs, forcing them to throw themselves off a cliff.  Is this loving behaviour or cruel behaviour?

To be sure I am engaged in a debate with a logical person, I ask. Was pig part of the type of food declared as abominable by God to Moses? why not search google, like u do best.
To the moral aspect, does atheism place more relevance on animals than humans?  It probably explains the rationality of most of ur posts.

2)  Did Jesus not kill someone's fig tree at a time of the year when figs are fruitless anyway?  Is that behaviour respectful of other people's properties?

WHAOO. . . . . 
I thought u always said Jesus was a fictional character? So do u now believe in the potency of His words? If not, y r u so bothered?
He only said a word, he didn't use a cutlass, hoe or tractor to destroy the tree, neither did he tell lies in the name of science, like u r fond of doing.

3)  Did Jesus and his followers not walk through someone's field, stealing corn from the field?

I wonder how rational u are? It wasn't like they did it at night. They took it at the full glare of the main critics of Christ, the Pharisees and Sadducee.
These people were only concerned that this act was being done on a Sabbath day. that should tell a rational person that it was customary of anyone passing on that field to do the same, the only exception being the Sabbath day.

4) Did he not tell his followers to abandon their families?

Was that what u deduced from the passage? I m not surprised, considering the intelligence of most of ur posts.
He only asked us as Xtians to prioritise meaningfully and never let the love of our families deny us from service and our heavenly goal.

5) Did he not advise parents to stone to death their recalcitrant children?

where in ur delusion did u read or deduce this from the bible?

6) Did he not say "Bring my enemies and slay them at my feet"?  Is that humane behaviour?

How many of them did He kill before He died? For ur gullibility I will state that this a prophecy awaiting fulfilment. Jesus is coming back to rapture the saints and to war against the enemies of God.
Since u claim to be atheistic but primarily obsessed with Jesus, it is pertinent I ask u to think through ur choice. What awaits u when Jesus returns?

mukina2:
When did he insult you

not me, but ccording to ayinba1, no muslim insults Jesus.

Olobowale has done this on numerous occassions, casting aspersions on the person and works of Jesus.

So what are u going to do to imposters like olobowale, who claim to be muslims, but insult Jesus?

KAG:
"Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot, qui l'admire" - Boileau

meaning?

@ DavidDylan

10* Gbosa for u. I can only commend ur intellect and tolerance.

Badriyyah:
Can't creationists and Evolutionists argue without the insults? It's an interesting topic, but when I start to read the insults I lose interest, geez.

That would happen the day evolutionists realise they have very limited knowledge of the issues at stake.

slimtoney:
well , guess we realy do not quiet understands what the word exactly means

who doesnt? May kelly just answered u. _{except u r up to a mischief}

ayinba1:
@noetic,
no muslim insults (or ought to insult) Prophet Isa (AS) or nany prophet of Allah for that matter. We do not say he is the son of Allah, no do we elevte him to worship status. We ccord himm respect and send him salaam (peace) as we do other prophets of Allah.

sounds like olobowale aint a muslim then.

hisses. . . . . .

OLAADEGBU:
Evolution is an ideology that says that there does not have to be a God for the universe and all that is within it to exist.

I cannot agree less. Fallacy

ayinba1:
Isn't it? I come again to read posts and the non muslims and unbelievers have pretty much taken over "Islam for muslims" board. Kudos to the brothers nd sisters who do not tire in their efforts to respond as needed.

we say we are muslims, yet we fear people calling us names. What have we done for the religion of Allah? A question we should individually ask ourselves before we are asked (in the grave).

We fear others? how about Allah (SWT)? What names was rasullulah not called? we have diamonds and we are shy of the one with copper.

I do not advocate childish insults and curse words, I appeal for the truth which you will find burns the unbelievers way worse than any insults. We all have learning and growing to do. If we use this medium, (the internet), for personal needs, we have no excuses then not to do dawah.

May it be a proof for us and not against us on the day of qiyawmah, amin.

yup.

me tinks muslims need to cut down their lack of objectivity and resort to insult whenever issues are raised.
why acknowledge Jesus as a prophet, when u readily insult Him?
why call Mohammed mortal, when u treat him as immortal by killing at the slightest provocation in his name?

me tinks islam needs re-branding urgently.