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huxley:
Let me give you some examples from the bible since that is the only thing you seem to understand.

Some Good People from the Bible:

1)  Moses

2)  Abraham

3)  Aaron

4)  Joshua

5)  King David

6)  Judah

7)  Apostle Paul

8.)  Jesus

As a bible believer, you know these people and you have good knowledge of their character. These people were also favoured by God so they MUST be good.  Don't you agree? 
Now for each of these people, can you indicate whether you think these are good people?

I dont agree.
except for Jesus, the rest on ur list were simply favoured men, not good, as far as I am concerned. They simply found favour with God.
Each of them at one time or the other committed sins, present day christians are also battling with.

The only difference between king saul and david was that david was more favoured. The same with moses, Aaron, Joshua and Abraham. They were justified by grace and not by works. As such I have no idea what u mean by a "good" person.

if u can define a good person, then it would be easier to analyse ur statements.
How does religion make a good man do evil? who is a good person?

huxley:
Did you really read the comment? It clealy does imply that ANYONE can do evil, but it takes religions for good people to do evil. If you disagree, can you provide some counter-examples?

who are good people? what qualifies a person to be good?

Lagosboy:
Davidylan the main issues we have here with non muslims are cos of u , noetic,no2atheism and todak. The issue here is insults and nothing more.

My campaign here has been civility and maturity. Even when insults are hoarded at me i keep my calm and dont throw it back but the unbearable insutls are the ones addressed to the symbol of a faith cos when u do that u insult 1.2 billion people.

The insuts (Jesus not been God)u say we address at jesus is not an insult but the main difference between the 2 faiths. That is d very rason u re a christian and we are muslims. The opinion is the opinion of 1.2 billion muslims and the core beleif of islam. What will u say of the jews who dont even have any regard for Jesus and say terrible things of mary his mum , you do not insult them.

Moyin just retrace your steps , you can debate of course but leave insults out be a man, show maturity and take heed of the advice.

now that u have seen it from an islamic point of view, now assume u are a christian and then see it from the christian point of view. this is called objectivity.
how can u call GOD (JESUS) a mere prophet? that is an insult.

and how come none of u has been able to explain the discrepiances in the two versions of allah. the pre mohammed allah, who shagged allat and had 3 kids and the newly elevated one by mohammed?
As a christian I think that, that's one anomaly u are trying to sweep under the carpet. "allah was merely one of the 360 gods of arabia".
u think thats an insult, I believe that's a fact.

and what was this intended to achieve?

babs787:
@Tudor

Point of correction. I didnt start what you are alleging but your brothers in the like of Davidylan, Noetic, Todak and No2ateism displayed ignorance when they posted silly rejoinders in Islam section, not being able to provide facts when answers are being provided and had to open like four threads which I tagged[b] 'strictly for Todak, Davidylan, No2atheism and Noetic'[/b]. This would have shown you that I never intended to bombard your section with posts but to caution those aforementioned people who showed that they dont know anything as far as 'religion' is concerned and funny enough, none of them was able to answer the questions in those threads except Lady and Bastage that tried coming to their rescue.

Go throug my posts and would see that I respond once in a while if it pertains to Islam and Muslims and I have no business in whatever you feed yourselves but such would be debunked if brought here just like Davidylan has been trying to fool himself with wrong interpretation of biblical verses and has been exposed several times.

Go to my profile and see when I joined. I joined NL as a result of their continuous bashing and I have created threads on issues as well but I found that we keep going back and forth and realised that its better to let each other be BUT would NEVER fold my arms when anyone whosoever is trying to be stupid. Islam is opened for scrutiny but you must be civil enough when bringing your questions and we discuss with facts.

Yes, you are perfectly right. Davidylan, Todak, Noetic, No2atheism have really showed 'maturity' in this section with their insults.

do u actually re-read the rubbish u post? if u do, the foolishness of their contents will amaze u.

u dont ask questions, when u manage to do, u get answers.
but whenever u are asked about the lies of "allah" and "mohammed", u start ranting annoyingly.

Abuzola:
Hey shout that trap and get lost with something u know not

mohammed must be proud of u. violent and angry retards.

name the islamic nations that account for 75% of western multinational companies income?
lying is synonymous to islam.

mazaje:
can you show me the part of what i have posted that is irrelevant? does the bible not tell you to go to the church elders when you are sick? why choose what to accept in the bible?

with the claims of miracles and the belief that prayers solves problems. . .prayer is what the bible tells people to do not to seek medical help. . .

there is no where it says that christians should go to the hospital. . . .prayers and going to the church elders is what the bible recommends. . . hospital is a man made invention. . .drugs are man made inventions the bible god believes in miracles and magic. . .if the bible is true then christians will be performing magic end of story. . .

why do christians go to the hospitals when jesus tells them that they will lay their hands on the sick and the will get well if only the believe in him?
you believe in a book that says stars in the sky fight along side humans in battle and still believe that you can reason for your self? you believe in a book that makes failed promises after failed promises and you still believe you have a brain? you believe in a book that promises and tells you that if only you believe in it you will be able to perform magic which you are unable to and you still believe you can think for yourself? the problem becomes worse knowing very well that the book was written by unknown men who reported most of the events long after they allegedly happened. . . .

where does the bible say DON'T GO TO HOSPITALS?

yes. . . the bible which you believe is the word of your god clearly tells you what to do when you are sick. . .it doesn't mention hospitals. . . there were some kind of local doctors then. . .remember there is a part in the bible where the bible god got angry with a guy because he did not seek his healing when he was sick but went to the local doctors. . .

who were the local "doctors"? medical practitioners or spiritualists?

mazaje:
what are the conventional christian practices you are talking about? is there any such things as conventional christian practice?


i have told you that before go and re-read my post on the other thread. . . .if you want to discuss that lets do it on the other thread. . .you ran away only to pop up here and pretend to be asking "question". . . . .

i already did on the other thread. . .you keep talking about intelligence when you have non what so ever. . .can you use your intelligence and explain to me why you believe in certain things in the bible like the story of noah which has no scientific evidence what so ever. . .does your bible not frown at intelligence? does your bible not tell you to accept all of its ridiculous, unproven and irrational assertions purely on faith? stop talking about intelligence because the bible discourages the application of intelligence but tells people to be fools so that they will be wise. . .it tells people to believe all what it says purely on faith. . . .

ran away? ran away from what?

you can as well answer the questions here.

mazaje:
most of the nigerian christians do not respect our rights to be atheist. . . . nairaland is the biggest nigerian discussion forum. . .i come here to show nigerian christians that it is very normal to be an atheist and i show them how inconsistent and ridiculous their assertions are. . .i am not here to convert anybody. . i am here to show nigerian christians that it is very normal to be an atheist since christians and christianity do not have a better argument. . .christians rely ONLY on faith we rely on reason.

your fellow nigerian christians do not believe that either. . .nigerian christians do not believe that atheist have the right to be who they are or believe in what ever they want to believe in, they lie all the time that they don't care but tell them that you are an atheist and see how they will start treating you. . . does the bible not call atheist fools? do christians not believe that atheist are fools because the bible tells them that? the problems is not from us. . .the bible calls us fools for not believing in its more foolish and stupid assertions. . .and hence bible believing christians treat us as fools because their foolish bible tells them so. . . . i  was in nigeria in february and a friend of mine lost his job simply because his openly displayed his agnosticism to his born again female boss. . . .tell  christians that u are an atheist in nigeria and see how they will disparage, ridicule and mistreat you. . .christians have already declared war on atheists. . we just have to fight back. . . .and we fight back by showing them how false the bible and all its assertions are. . .if the bible is true christians will be performing magic. . . . . .the world we live in is not the one that the bible asserts or talks about. . . .

atheists are fast denying christians their rights to conventional christian practices, in the name of offending disbelievers.

you have found it difficult to tell me

1. what the sacred convictions of atheism/naturalism is/are? if at all there are any?
2. what is nature's truth? what is the truth?
3. what is naturalism's explanation of the conception of life?

unless and until u answer these questions within the limits of intelligence (no long stories or unnecessary rubbish), my opinion of u as a misguided and uninformed, ranting ignoramus still holds. (no offence intended)

banom:
any thing u see atheist doing in nairaland is called atheism evangelism,( to liberate the deluded mind of religios appologists)

Athest learned it from you appologist, for christian, they will come to the media and preach and show us miracles,they even go as far as staging a fake miracle all in an attempt to convert people,
As for islam they go as far as staging Jihad(holy war) killing people whoi refused to follow them,

Cow boy, atheist are by far less agrasive and manipulastive than you applogists.

I have no problem with an atheist stating his/her case. The problem arises when an atheist proclaims delusion of the religious.

who is more deluded, the christian who defines his belief as "FAITH" in an uncreated GOD or is it an atheist, who cannot rationally explain his beliefs/disbeliefs?

on one hand it is impossible to have an "uncreated GOD" on the other hand, it is possible that life began from an "uncreated" big bang.

on one hand you must be "stupid" to believe that everything has its origin from GOD, but on the other hand it is intelligent to believe all things evolved, when there is no evidence of the pioneer micro-organisms that created life or an explanation for the first complex chemical reactions thet proposed life.

on one hand because of the death and misadventure of certain "christians" who practised the faith, there is therefore no GOD, on the other hand, for those who however did well, its just a coincidence.

I could go on and on, but it all bugs down to one thing. . . . .atheism is a delusion proud and foolish people live in.

mactao:
It seems you didn't notice the conditions in Matthew 17 and 21. Faith. And that is why some Christians meet other Christians to pray with and for them, because their faith can't handle it alone. People grow spiritually, and their faith grows also.

Faith as a mustard seed isn't easy, even though mustard seeds are teeny weeny little things. The Bible talks about faithless people not receiving anything from God. The more difficult a situation is, the more faith you need, because you begin to think it's too hopeless to come out of.

My point: not everyone can handle everything. As you grow, you become stronger.

educating an atheist is like asking a donkey to drink water in very simple words.
can a donkey think/reason at all?

mazaje:
where does it say that christians should go to the hospital in the bible?

jesus says that does who believe in him will be able to perform magic. . . .because the bible said that he was a magician. . .

why do christians go to hospitals if all they have to do is ask jesus to heal them? more promises. . .



All the bible talks about is faith and belief once u have that you will be able to perform magic. . . .why do christians go to hospitals when jesus tells them to pray? why go to the hospital when the bible tells christians to go to the church elders?

I am sick of ur irrelevant postulations and meaningless rhetorics. . . . . answer my questions directly or dont bother replying

did Jesus ask Christians NOT to use hospitals? was the porosity of the medical profession as high as in ancient Israel?

How does christianity negate/oppose/antagonise medical practices?

You can start by answering YES/NO and then give reasons.

Nanai:
Now, these multinational companies were again facing a severe drought of money as 75% of their income comes from selling their goods to Muslim Countries, and these earn BILLIONS OF DOLLARS of Profit from their exports to the MUSLIM WORLD.

Finally they decided to start a coding language, so that only their
Departments of Food Administration should know what they are using, and the common man is left lurking in the dark. Thus, they started E-CODES. These E- INGREDIENTS are present in a majority of products of multinational firms including, but not limited to -

in your dreams alone. 75% of western multinational revenue coming from sales to islamic countries who is deceiving who?

why cant islamic countries set up industries to cater for their own special kind?

tudor:
The only solution is for us to wait and see.what baffles me is when religious people,especiall christians come to the hospital for treatment.i thot christ was beaten for their sicknesses and diseases

how does christianity contradict/negate/oppose medicine?

did Christ ask christians not to seek medical help?

Recognise:
@Topic

There are always two sides to a coin of a story . . .

Which is it in this case . . . ?

Is it a Head? or a Tail?

Decide after reading the first URL link - it is against

and watching the second URL link's vids - it is for

http://www.nigerianantichrist.com/interview-ladi.htm

http://bewareofblasphemers./videos

nice links.

can i ask u two questions.

is that not the same pastor ladi who has a coffin in his church?

what is ur deductions from this links?

uplawal:
@noetic

ALLAH was worshipped in the pre islamic period by the ARABS[b] but not as a deity[/b], he was worshipped as a universal GOD, the ONE that created the UNIVERSE,EARTH, ADAM, but the people worship several idols with him, thats why he gave ISLAM to show them better how he should be worshipped, examples of how the YORUBAS worship the orishas like sango,oya,ogun, saponna, and the IBOS e.g amadioha, etc but they all still reverence the ALMIHGTY GOD ALLAH i.e CHINEKE,OLORUN-ELEDUMARE,thats how it was then that time, all those internet ones ure reading is not true is just antagonising ISLAM because ISLAM emphasises the worship of one supreme GOD OF CREATION.

This is false. I will spare u the questions cos u are new to islam.

but pls do a little research on pre-mohammed allah, allat, their daughters and the 360 gods of arabia one of whom mohammed's father abd-allah worshipped.

meanwhile, do u know u might get killed (a fatwa might be issued), if u choose to re-convert from islam. what a religion!

@ mazaje

u also said this

naturalism is what you see every day and everytime,

what do I see every day and every time?

this is turning to pure comedy 

u subscribe to the basic xtian ontology of GOD, yet u dont believe in HIS existence. u havent reconciled both of these contradicting postulations.
Its like saying, "I know Lagos is a city in the south western part of Nigeria" and then in the same context saying "I dont believe there is a city called Lagos". is that not a myriad of contradictions?

please reconcile this beliefs!!!

@ mazaje

u said this:

the basis of naturalism is that nature is all there is and all basic truths are truths of nature.

what is the truth? what are basic truths? what are the truths of nature?

toneyb:
Where is noetic?

too busy to reply to mazaje's folly.

mazaje:
but you came back and answered a post that is so uninspiring to warrant a response? will you stop being a hypocrite? if it is so uninspiring to warrant a response why then did you come back and respond to it?

2 things usually happen whenever I ignore u in a thread.
U go to another thread and lie about what transpired. e.g u came here to LIE that u corrected my use of words. Another time u lied about me not subscribing to an article i posted.
And the second thing that happens is, neutral observers (not misled hypocrites called atheists) tend to take ur uniformed postulations for facts.

So all I can do is to reply when I can, but it doesnt change the fact that ur posts spark . . . . . .

irrelevant again i must say. . .i will like you to tell me what the ontology of fili-ban-gbaski are, how my belief or non belief in him affects me as a person or the natural world. . . .

werent u taught never to answer a question with a question. Just tell me IF U BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF FILI-BAN-GBASKI?

this statement is completely false. . .you said that you were ready to debate my reservations about the christian ontology of god. . . .do you know for sure who wrote genesis, exodus, job, daniel etc. . . were you not told they were written by the people that the books bear their names? there are many bible believing christians that do not believe that moses wrote any of the books of the pentateuch. . .scholars disagree with many of the biblical claim of authorship both christian and non christian. . .most of the books or parts of some of the books in the bible were written by unknown men and that is a fact. . . .

how  does this relate to the topic at hand? pls be objective.

my convictions on naturalism is best attested to by the world in which we live in. . . .the christian hypothesis actually predicts a completely different universe than the one we find ourselves in. for a loving god who wanted to create a universe solely to provide a home for human beings, and to bring his plan of salvation to fruition, would never have invented this universe, but something quite different. but if there is no god, then the universe we actually observe is exactly the sort of universe we would expect to observe. in other words, if there is no god then this universe is the only kind of universe we would ever find ourselves in, the only kind that could ever produce intelligent life without any supernatural cause or plan. hence naturalist atheism predicts exactly the kind of universe we observe, while the christian theory predicts almost none of the features of our universe. indeed, the christian theory predicts the universe should instead have features that in fact it doesn't, and should lack features that in fact it has. for example the bible in the book of ecclesiastes 1:5 says that the sun revolves round the earth or moves from place to place.

what are u talking about?

u started by attempting to tell me ur convictions, what has that got to do with the universe?
WHAT ARE THE CONVICTIONS OF "NATURALISM"?

there are other verses in the bible that says that the earth is unmovable. . . this is not the universe in which we live in, this is the universe that the bible says which is completely different from the one in which we live in because in the universe that we live in the earth revolves around the sun not the other way round, in the universe that we live the sun does not move from place to place. . . . therefore, naturalism is a better explanation than christianity of the universe we actually find ourselves in.

very irrelevant. Solomon was the wisest man in his time, and he was giving his opinion on the constant changes that define life. His statement aint a biblical fact about the earth's movement. I believe u can do better.

But how does the earth's movement according to solomon, buttress or disprove the CONVICTIONS of "naturalism."?
Mazaje, pls be focused.

where did i say that i believe in the big bang? but it sure makes a much better sense than the the idea of a personal god. . . . the idea of a personal god is only used most of the time to fill in the gaps for things we have not yet known. . .the god hypothesis does not really answer anything, it is just an excuse. . . .the general hypothesis is that god is not visible, tangible or otherwise detectable by empirical means. god is supposed to act in space and time, but without having a location in space and time. his essence is, according to the tradition itself, ungraspable and fully beyond the comprehension of finite human minds. and yet belief in this incomprehensible being is supposed to make the present state of the world more intelligible? everything observable is supposed to be created by god, but this god himself is uncreated. furthermore, events in the observable world can generally be accounted for without introducing a god as an explanation. as i pointed out in my previous post thunderstorms, earthquakes,  lighting, plagues, eclipses, the variety of natural species, and even the origins of life itself all have detailed natural explanations(some of which i don't really agree with), notwithstanding the fact that they were once thought to be the immediate work of god.we are told a great deal about him, but never enough that claims that his existence can be put to the test. imagine, for example, a farmer who prays to god for rain to help his drought-stricken crops. suppose it then rains. our happy farmer explains this as the act of god in response to a prayer but suppose it doesn’t rain. the farmer explains this as god having had other reasons for withholding rain so you see either way, the god hypothesis seems to do no real explanatory work. it can be used to account for literally anything in exactly the same way.

God has never been used to fill the gap for the things we dont know.

Do u know how many times the words "may" "possibly" "could" are used in scientific peer-review articles or findings?
while illiteracy might be responsible for certain man-given attributes to GOD, it does not deny the existence or potency of GOD.

can u just hear urself, how ridiculous and unreasonable ur postulations sound. This can be implied from u

A big bang was not "created" but "could" be the origin of evolution and not an "uncreated GOD".
All things cannot be from GOD, but can evolve from micro-organisms, whose pioneer parent CANNOT be traced.
Life started from complex chemical reactions, but we dont know the first complex chemical reaction, its component simpler reactions or catalysts?
Does any of the above make any logical reasonable sense. or can they stand simple commonsensical test?

scientist have explained in details the origin of organisms even the origin of life. . .

must u tell LIES? WHERE? WHEN? HOW? WHAT WAS THE EXPLANATION?

there is an on going project in havard university meant to address this. . .the publication will be out very soon. . .i will advice you to do some reading with regards to that. . . .i agree that everything has a beginning. . . .even the proponents of the big bang agree that the big bang it self is the beginning of space and time. . .

while an unwitnessed, uncreated, disreputable and theorical "big bang"  could have led to the beginning of life, an "uncreated GOD" could NOT have.
how does that sound to u? it sounds very UNINTELLIGENT AND ABSOLUTELY STUPID to me.

lets assume that god is the one the created the universe and the beginning that it self does not answer anything because it leads to more questions like what did god do during that eternity before he created everything?

u are assuming eternity can be measured. NO it cant.

If god was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? was he bored? was he lonely?

creation was for HIS pleasure.

god is supposed to be perfect. if something is perfect, it is complete, it needs nothing else.

Again, u are assuming God needs u. No He does not.

we humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be.

I can speak for Christians. perfection is impossible, that's why we are given GRACE.

If god is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. there is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. a god who is perfect does nothing except exist.

ur assumptions are unintelligent in the least. whats the basis of this assumption?

by the way if you agree that everything needs a creator then the question is who created god? if god can always exist with out the need to be created then the universe can also always exist without the need to be created. . .by the way there's no reason to assume the universe functions like human society or that there was a "who" to begin with.

Isnt it ironic that an argument that a debate can be held conically on the premise of an uncreated GOd, and yet an "uncreated big bang" and "uncreated micro-organisms" are not refuted to be sources of life. This is very jejune.
God has NO beginning.  ever heard of an uncreated creator?

do i need to accept a flawed postulation just because i do not know what the right answer might be? i dont know what the answer to 123487666788999 * 1276657899999999765 might be but i know for sure that it is not 5. . . .what is sin? what might be sin to your god might not be sin to the moslem god or the hindu god and vice versa. . .nothing like sin exist in the natural universe only wrong doing. . .and that itself is not as an offense to a supernatural deity but to humans. . .naturalism as defined by philosopher Paul Draper(which i agree with) is "the hypothesis that the natural world is a closed system" in the sense that "nothing that is not a part of the natural world affects it." more simply, it is the denial of the existence of supernatural causes. the idea behind this principle is that natural causes can be investigated directly through scientific method, whereas supernatural causes cannot, and hence presuming that an event has a supernatural cause for methodological purposes halts further investigation. for instance, if a disease is caused by microbes, we can learn more about how microbes interact with the body and how the immune system can be activated to destroy them, or how the transmission of microbes can be contained. but if a disease is caused by demons, we can learn nothing more about how to stop it, as demons are said to be supernatural beings unconstrained by the laws of nature (unlike natural causes).

u havent said anytin new. This is all about the denial of GOD.

U now see i was right, u are not saying anything new.

the[b] christian spiritual postulations have been tested and have failed[/b]. . .no open minded individual can accept the existence of a being whose nature is so contradictory as that of yahweh, the "perfect" creator of our imperfect universe. example the bible clearly states how prayer(spiritualism) is supposed to work. . .

please tell me where? when? how? why are u LYING?

no open minded and objective individual can throw away the existence of GOD on the basis of "evolution" "naturalism" and the "big bang". It stinks  

so many christians have tried this spiritual excercies and it does not work. . .many have prayed for healing, job, protection, good health, children, happiness, promotion etc with the believe but they died waiting for their prayers to be answered. . . keep in mind that the bible clearly says that christains should go to the church elders to pray for them and anoint them with oil when ever they are sick and they will be healed which it self is a spiritual exercise. . .

so many christians have tried that and ended up dead. . . i know 2 people that were close to me that tried it and ended up dead. . .so it has failed besides if it were working christians will not be going to the hospital because the bible does not say that christians should go to the hospitals it says go to the church elders and you will be healed. . .the fact that christains prefer to go to the hospitals when they are sick as supposed to the church elders for healing shows that that spiritual injunction is a failure. . .

very irrelevant.

How about the countless cases where this same principles u are discarding have worked? did this change ur beliefs?

it is very clear unless if you are blind. . . .let me debunk another said ontology of the christian god which i know you agree with. . it is commonly said that the christian god is morally good and perfect. . he is very good and nothing bad comes out from him. . .people always say that the bible god is so good and is incapable of doing evil because he is morally good and perfect. . he is the source of all morality. . .and is morally perfect. but the bible says that the same god that is morally perfect and good does evil. . .

a morally perfect god that is all good at the same time does evil is impossible. . . .

talk is cheap they say. . . .will thou hypocrite be consistent? if my post does not require a response why then did you respond to it?

Its called judgement. when a man receives judgement, he calls it evil, was he not forewarned?

mazaje, be objective and stop redefining GOD to suit ur uninformed and intellectually limited scope of reasoning.
kudos to u, I managed to reply u again. . . . thou LYING naturalist.

Tasma:
I don't get this comment at all. First why must our belief require "sacred" convictions? The fact that you may feel the need to have sacred convictions does not mean your beliefs are correct.

what are talking about? do u read at all?
what are the convictions of naturalism, even if none of them are sacred?
do u know the meaning of a "belief"?

Naturalism is based more on observation of what we as human beings observe. Consequently naturalism does not at any time claim to have an all encompassing "truth" about everything.

well this contradicts what mazaje postulated. , , , . . .sounds like naturalism makes no sense.

It gives space for learning and adaptation of theories and postulations as time goes on.

To learn what? on what basis?

All that u learn or are learning evolves around the notion that a GOD DOES NOT EXIST, so what are u talking about?
isnt that as biased as the "christianity" u antagonise?

What is wrong with saying today "I don't have an answer for this or I don't know how this came about".

there is nothing wrong with that saying. It only sounds stupid when said against biblical truths u have no alternative for.

Why should it be necessary to [b]come up with stories the explain everything like the bible seems to do. [/b]This is even sadder when over time some biblical "facts" have been proven to be wrong. If you accept scientific facts like the earth going round the sun - which is not as the bible has it - then can't you accept the bible may be flawed?

is that ur angst against the bible?

A belief system with the capability to accept new knowledge and grow is not pointless, on the other hand one that refuses to change and holds on dogmatically to ancient beliefs is one that is terribly flawed.

define "growth" in this context? define "change" in this context?

what u posted was next to nonsense.

mazaje:
what is christ like. . .i bet walking on water and healing of amputees is also christ like isn't it. . .even jesus said that those who believe in him will do greater things than him. . .why has no christian ever walked on water

I am sure u read in the bible that peter WALKED on the sea with Jesus, until his fear failed him.

or healed an amputee and made his amputated limbs grow back?

are u limiting God's ability from the scope medicine. If an amputee can be medically healed, its not exempt from GOD's grace.
however, if u search truthfully u would hear of greater and mightier things been done in JESUS name.

i have never seen any christian curse a fig tree and it dried up immediately. . .

I have seen biblical curses afflict a man.

neither have i seen any christian being raised from the dead after 3 days. . .

u must be living in secluded areas. On nairaland here, a post was made about the pioneer GO of RCCG raising from the dead. There are countless million others.

did jesus lie when he said that people that believe in him will do greater things than him?

of course not. I have seen, witnessed and heard of great and mighty things that could only have come by the power of HIS might.
why would he lie anyway?

does free thinking promise healing from any form of sickness?  . . . .

no it doesnt, but it tends to thrive on anti-biblical injunctions alone, thereby negating the literal meanings of the term "free-thinking".
why should a free thinker do what non-free thinkers do?
why should a free thinker walk on his feet? wear a wrist watch on his hand and not his leg? wear a shirt or even a trouser or clothes?
why should a free thinker eat with his mouth, why not with his anus?

free thinking is simply a foolish man's way of disproving what he cannot reasonably disprove. just a conflagration of lies to claim that GOD does not exist.
free-thinking gave birth to evolution which cannot tell us the very first organisms that started the evolution process.

free thinking enabled scientist to tell lies about the origin of life. yet they cant state the very first complex chemical reaction that kick-started life. or tell us the simpler reactions that made this reaction, the catalyst and other things.

free thinking enabled u, mazaje, to protagonate another lie called "naturalism", which u defined as "what I see every day and every time"
u havent told me what EXACTLY I see every day and every time? ur definition was a joke, right?

free thinking has only given birth to things NOT OF GOD. my bible calls them "OF THE DEVIL" and they have already received judgement.

the bible clearly and strongly tells christians to go to their church elders to pray for them and anoint them with oil when ever they are sick so that they will be healed. . .why do christians not abide by that spiritual injunction? why do christians go to the hospital when ever they fall sick and discard the injunctions of the bible? is it because the biblical injunctions are false?

ur postulation is based on the assumption that medicine is against Godly instructions. or that they are opposite.

that's not the case. Christians go to hospitals cos it is commonsensical to do so, and it is not against biblical injunctions.
when cases defy medical solution, Jehovah has always been faithful.

Outlaws1:


I was just banned by some feminist nairaland moderator because according to the bitch I insulted a lady. What kind of bullshit is that? Any ways I think is a good thing that black women are strong but they should direct their strongness to something else not toward the man. They could just direct it towards the white man that way the black mans problem is half solved.

was that mukina?

Pataki:
Wow! What a story you have got up there. Where did you go wrong? Several places! Is this the first time you would be dating? You were so foolishly in love. One thing I am however glad for in respect to you, is that, you have not allowed this experience to make you as a bitter person. Rather you are looking ahead to brighter things.

That girl is a first class harlot. You never dated a wife material but a prostitute. And it is so annoying that she could manipulate you at whatever time she wanted, all with a simple apology! Please stop it! A woman who repeatedly cheats on you, is not worth the drama, she has repeatedly insulted, and lied to you. Yet you stayed through. How pathetic.

Move on with your life bro. She is not worth the shoes you are wearing. She is simply a dog, and thank goodness that you are not married to her. A failed relationship is far better than a failed marriage!

All the best.

that is mr pataki for u,
always hitting the nail on the head. well said.

huxley:
Yes, I know. The reason I posted it is because it shows that, much as Christian would loathe to be informed, they "suffer" from the self-same "ills" the the rest of "ordinary folks" have to deal with. They are no less prone to porn, divorce, diseases, corruption, etc, etc. That said, what then are the earthly "benefits" of being a christian when they have the same issues that non-christians face too?

Christianity involves living a Christ-like life, simply by choice.

what a professed "christians" chooses to do or not to do, should and does not define christianity. using the ills of "christians" to describe Christianity is very unobjective.

Has their god failed them?

has ur "free thinking" failed u?

tudor:
@noetic,concience has nothing to do with this.i want to knw if it's a sin,besides concience is rily affected by the society you live in

ur conscience has a whole lot to do with it. I dont believe God punishes anyone for a sin of whose knowledge they don't have.

u know tobacco is extremely harmful to ur health,
u also know it leads to several diseases, cos it contains lots of unsubstantiated substances. why then should anyone smoke?

if one would only quit smoking because it is a sin, then one is simply religious? if u smoke, quit because of ur health.

huxley:
All I can say is that "God works in scandalous ways with is nearests and dearests"

is this the summary of the long story above?

mazaje:
is this a joke or a question?

is a 30 year old nigerian qualified to be president?

is a 25 year old nigerian qualified to be govenor?

does this disqualification amount to discrimination?