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uplawal:
you said it could not be Muhammed,then who was it, could u count down to new testament and point out the prophet that was refers to and the prophet should be an Ishmaelite not an Isrealite,because God said we should listen to him anyway and jesus could not be the prophet so was it then pls.

thou hypocrite!!!

if the bible is corrupt and the koran is real, how can mohammed be in it?

[quote author=ok.gerald link=topic=260964.msg3747540#msg3747540 date=1240063005][40.14] Supplicate then to Allah making your religion sincerely His, even though the unbelievers oppose it. [40.15] Exalter in ranks, Owner of the Throne. He lets the spirit (the revelation) descend at His order on those of His worshipers whom He chooses, in order that He warns of the Day of the Meeting; [40.16] the Day when they shall rise up with nothing hidden from Allah. And who is the Owner of the Kingdom on that Day? Allah, the One, the Conqueror! [font=Lucida Sans Unicode][40.17] On that Day every soul shall be recompensed for its earnings and on that Day none shall be wronged. The reckoning of Allah is swift.[/font] [40.18] Warn them against the Imminent Day when, choking with anguish, the hearts will be in their throats, the harmdoers will not have a single, loyal friend, and there will be no intercessor to be obeyed.[/quote]so?

littleb:
once again

@ noetic,

maybe I should put it straight. I thought if I dont explain, you will ask for ref:

1. what is the cognates relation between olu/oluwa(yoruba), god, lord and God semantically.

2. Anlyse the words "LAILAHI ILA ALAH"

3. how would you differentiate god from God if not written down in english.

4. why there is no other translation for ELOI/ELOHIM from the bible original language up till now

5. why this word ALLAH in Arabic bible?

u have answered just one of my questions, please answer the rest (hopefully with YES) so I can laugh my arse out.

when u have answered my questions, I will objectively answer and analyse urs.

littleb:
@noetic,

I can't descend so low to your understanding before I could answer your question. Knowledgible people should have gooten it better.

well considering that violence is the only language allah taught mohammed, whom u follow, ur inability to comprehend and answer questions logically while debating objectively is no surprise to me, thou apologist of allah.

Did I belong to prophet Muhammad generation or the same community to the extent of asking me If I would give my 9 years old daughter to him for marraige? of course, YES, I would married my daughter 9 to him if I was of the same generation with him. Now, what is your problem with it.
Now answer my questions.

 u just made my day with this statement.  

what a terrible father u are. without remorse and a convicting conscience.
no wonder u and ur brethren would willingly kill for the blood thirsty and demonic allah.

littleb:
All your questions about prophet muhammad marraige with Aisha have been answerred.

Just provide response to my questions

where? when? how? by whom?

tpia:
so you're better with your "I love Nigerian religious figures pass my mama and papa" mindset?

or your " I'm a soldier in the Nigerian religious army till I quench" mentality.

why are thou always on kobo`s back? what has he/she done to u?

littleb:
Which of your questions? i think I am expecting better and detail response.

Can u give ur 6 year old daughter to court mr mohammed? YES or NO

can u marry off ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed? YES or NO

can u leave ur 9 year old daughter in the same room with mr mohammed? YES or NO

did mohammed not have sex with a 9 year old girl? YES OR NO

did bin laden not kill in the name of the blood thirsty allah?

who was the allah that mohammed`s father was worhipping?

can u marry off ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed? YES OR NO

Where in the verses u stated did Moses sleep with a 3 year old like u claimed?

where in the bible or koran was it recorded that mary was 12 years old when she had Jesus?

since ur koran claimed He did not die or was not crucified, how could He have called allah on the cross?

The allah that mohammed`s father worshipped had a wife called allat and three daughters.
who was this allah? and whats its connection to the allah of mohammed?

littleb:
@ noetic,

maybe I should put it straight. I thought if I dont explain, you will ask for ref:

1. what is the cognates relation between olu/oluwa(yoruba), god, lord and God semantically.

2. Anlyse the words "LAILAHI ILA ALAH"

3. how would you differentiate god from God if not written down in english.

4. why there is no other translation for ELOI/ELOHIM from the bible original language up till now

5. why this word ALLAH in Arabic bible?

what nonsense is this, after answering ur initial questions why do u find it difficult to answer mine?

littleb:
@noetic, I think I miss this in my previous post:
Haba Noetic! why so nice and unpleasant logic. If I started dragging this with you, believe me, you will have no answers to hundreds of questions I will begin to posts.

1. If my name is Ifalolu, to a lay man, these is a coin two words. "Ifa" is a trad diety and "olu" from oluwa is lord/god, known from traditional perspective. I asked you a question what is the cognates relation between olu/oluwa(yoruba), god, lord and God semantically.

2. if I may put you right, your problem is ABDULAH(servant/slave of god/God). Let me first post a question to you. Anyalyse this common statement or let a muslim scholar anaylse it for you. LAILAHI ILA ALAH.

3. The ffg explanation may give you an hint on the above two question. Every idolators, community prior to religious knowledge relating language semanticism has a way to describe thier gods. In Arab, idolatory gods is named is ilahi(just like god in english), Holy Kahaba was named bitul-lahi(House of gods) in pre Islamic Era. Just like yoruba would say ORISALA/OLU. Now consider your logical reasoning and this analysis, how would you differentiate god from God if not written down in english.

Moreso, before Islam, traditional jewish bible has started been translated to Arabic bible then. e.g “man yaqdiru an yaghfira khataya illa ALLAH” (Luke 5:21 in Arabic). Moreso, to your own reasoning, why there is no other translation for ELOI/ELOHIM from the bible original language up till now and why this word ALLAH in Arabic bible?

how does this answer any of my questions?

littleb:
@noetic,
I believe if not for hatred, the most dullard person will understand my little explanation. Your posting here has just been an interesting one, and I will tell you why. Whereas, most of your accusation has been cleared.

You have cleared absolutely NONE of the issues I raised. All u are doing is called an unintelligent diversion of the issues at stake.

See, i have read enough of them, just present your fact here with ref from bible, Quran and historical books. These are just mere propa
ganda.

Did u say propaganda? does ur religion not proclaim sharia? are the links up there not evidences of the heinous crimes commited in the name of sharia?

YOU ARE AN HYPOCRITE if all u can do is to dismiss those links and call it propaganda. Those are the evidences of modern reality.
I never expected u to walk away from them, I expected an honest explanation. Perhaps its better I start ignoring u like blabs.

objectivity is ideal in any engaging debate.

At times, I read your posts, I just keep on laughing. You demonstrated an intelligence here compare to mine when I was a bit younger, and believe me, I ve been used to this kind of question. See, My grand father used to tell me different kinds of his historical life, both expriences and exposure but some times I used to disagree, though later I started believing him. In some of these, which I am going to relate here: he said, "my father walk from Nigeria to saudi arabia for pilgrimage", Now the question up to you, neotic. Can you walk from Lagos to saudi Arabia? YES/NO. If you can, then analyse how the journey could be, what are pros and cons. If you ve ever hear about such journey, what are the lesson from it compare to the present generation. When you answer that question, then I believe we need an issue to iron out concerning marrying a young girl as small as 9. The same way we are going to analyse different kinds of young girls from the present generations and the previous generations regionalwise. See, you dont need to see thinks like a so called cunning man who think on the day of judgement if God throw him into fire he would overfly out of it. "Won lolohun mbo, on weyin, eyin longba bo ni?"

u must have been very foolish as a younger person and there is no evidence to prove that u are now wiser.

To answer ur question, NO, YOU CANNOT WALK FROM NIGERIA TO SAUDI ARABIA.

So can u pls answer my own questions now:

Can u give ur 6 year old daughter to court mr mohammed? YES or NO

can u marry off ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed?  YES or NO

can u leave ur 9 year old daughter in the same room with mr mohammed?  YES or NO

did mohammed not have sex with a 9 year old girl? YES OR NO

did bin laden not kill in the name of the blood thirsty allah?

who was the allah that mohammed`s father was worhipping?

can u marry off ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed? YES OR NO

I am not here to start analysing such dirty stories. You better not base your belief on proxy pastors, read it yourself or you manufacture your own bible: Numbers 31:7,17-18;Numbers 31:35-40 (Talmud specifically stated three years old)

This are the verses you pasted.
Numbers 31:7
7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.

Numbers 31 17-18
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Numbers 31:35-40
35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.

36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
       337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;

38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;

39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;

40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32.


Where in these verses did Moses sleep with a 3 year old like u claimed?
Henceforth u are a LIAR and a very deceptive and moronic slave of allah.
You cannot justify mohammed`s lustful paedophilic peccadilloes by telling spurious lies from the bible.

Live with the absolute reality, mohammed slept with a 9 year old girl, he is as such a paedophile. A blood thirsty one for that matter.

I know you can't find it, however, you're seriously concern about Aisha's age of the then generation to the present situation. If someone tell you Mary was between 12 and 14 then. Will you give your 12 years old daughter to Joseph of 90 to marry now?

where in the bible or koran was it recorded that mary was 12 years old when she had Jesus? until u produce this evidence, u are a spurious liar.

Then, jesus could have been calling the same Allah has Eloi, Eloi. I think I ask you question on this which you forget to answer?

Eloi Eloi IS NOT "allah".
since ur koran claimed He did not die or was not crucified, how could He have called allah on the cross?
check ur story. . . . .thou lying slave of allah.

Haba Noetic! why so nice and unpleasant logic.
If my name is Ifalolu, to a lay man, these is a coin two words and opposite. "Ifa" is a trad diety and "olu" from oluwa is lord/god, known from traditional perspective. You can have so many lords but only one GOD. This has been known historically, right from existence of man on earth. Arabians idolators akin to several other idolators known that there exist a known one that is hidden, all the idols are a mere intercessors to the hidden one. Moreso, before Islam, traditional jewish bible has started been translated to Arabic bible then.  “man yaqdiru an yaghfira khataya illa ALLAH” (Luke 5:21 in Arabic). Moreso, to your own cursory reasoning, why there is no other translation for ELOI/ELOHIM from the bible original language up till now.

I must say that ur postulations are very very very very very unintelligent and they attain the height of foolishness.

If ur name is Ifaolu. One can deduce that whoever named u ifaolu was worshipping IFA.
mohammed`s father is called abdallah, which means the messenger of allah. who was the allah he was worshipping? who was the master allah, he was serving, since his son mo had not being born then?

I think you understand Arabic more than the speakers. You can now start analysing the language you dont have a basic knowldge about it in both syntax and semantic.

unintelligent rubbish.
allah is "al" and "llah", meaning the god. refering to one of the gods of arabia. the particular god was allah. he had a wife called allat and they had three daughters.

Just read through the thread


Hence, to your safely conclussion, never going to be equal coz three in one is different from one in one. Then, why your probs?

Not only moon and sun, just say many idols, the house built by Abraham. What is being used for right now is very glaring, this is just a kidding question.



Like Sango and Oya. Site your ref, the hadith, Quran and historical books.

Why then, they against him?


Your question here seem filmsy.

The statement is from you, neither from Jesus nor from Moses. 


Your god has begotten son like you and me! that is in christianity. In Islam, Quran says Allah has no beggotten son neither was he beggeth. So why your conclusion? why you want to teach me my faith?

The facts are here, however, you can't see it. I told you this earlier, untill you cure your ailment.


Like that of your bloody great grandfathers sold to America for rice plantation.

You must be suffering from memory loss or absolute ignorance.

The allah that mohammed`s father worshipped had a wife called allat and three daughters.
who was this allah? and whats its connection to the allah of mohammed?

Just answer my question, then we discuss further.
See, do you have worst names ever ascribe to us? The GOONS are here.  What  of you?

I cant see any of ur questions that i have skipped and not answer, If there is any please highlight them.
On the contrary please answer my simple yes or no questions. . . . . .thou slave of allah.

huxley:
What were the words of Jesus Christ on the cross before he died? And do these words carry any important significance?

Any reason for ur interest in those special words? sounds like someone is having a convicting conscience now

[quote author=ok.gerald link=topic=262921.msg3746058#msg3746058 date=1240027324]Very soon the word trinity would be inserted into the bible so keep ur old copies well[/quote]thou he-goat slave of the blood thirsty allah. . . . .who wrote thy bloody nefarious koran?

[quote author=ok.gerald link=topic=260964.msg3721181#msg3721181 date=1239576359]Where did you get this from
The Quran contains a lot of his mercies. The below is an extract from the Koran Surah 2

(39) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you, and fulfill your (part of the) covenant, I shall fulfil My (part of the) covenant, and fear Me. (40) And believe in that which I reveal, confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me. (41) Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. (42) Establish worship, pay the poor-due, and bow your heads with those who bow (in worship). (43) Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practise it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense? (44) Seek help in patience and prayer; and truly it is hard save for the humble-minded, (45) Who know that they will have to meet their Lord, and that unto Him they are returning. (46) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. (47) And guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped. (48) And (remember) when We did deliver you from Pharaoh's folk, who were afflicting you with dreadful torment, slaying your sons and sparing your women: that was a tremendous trial from your Lord. (49) And when We brought you through the sea and rescued you, and drowned the folk of Pharaoh in your sight.[/quote]thou goat-like slave of allah. . , . why are thou so ?

was it allah`s mercy that was displayed on 9/11?
is it its mercy that is being displayed by the beheading and amputation in the 21st century?
surely t`was this mercy that mo demonstrated by having sexual relations with a poor 9 year old girl?

"allah" is merciful indeed

so?

damn it!!!

first we dont know which allah mohammed`s father was worshipping.
Now we also know that it wasnt an angel jubril that gave the koran, but a group of dubious men and women.
And then the koran and islam were defined in Baghdad and not saudi arabia. I wonder what else we are gonna find out?

whao. . , so this was the same love that bin laden demonstrated on 9/11.

and this is the same love being spread by sharia`s condoning of amputation and beheading in the 21st century.

You can fool and brainwash a group of people in a secluded area, but it aint gonna work for all the people in this age of civilisation.


its up to u to show us how peaceful and loving islam is.

dominique:
i knew there was no way you're going to provide any reasonable answer. you're so predictable.

how can my answer be reasonable, considering that u are biased and unwilling to see beyond the scope of allah and mohammed.

Take up my challenge and use the google tool bar in the religion section. search for "olobowale" and "babs". That would answer ur misinformed assertions.

babs787:
@Noetic & Davidylan

I am not surprised at your[b] inferiority complex[/b]. I found out that you are just like David, making denials when answers are being supplied and not able to support his denials with facts. Bird of a feather

Search my posts and see me backing my posts with facts both from the bible and the Quran. How many facts have you been able to provide for your lies here? I asked you questions in your thrash but you couldnt. You may check my posts in response to your lies.
Again, I dont argue without[b] facts[/b] and have you been able to answer the simple questions from your bible. Go read my posts where I engaged most of your people and would realize the truth. Your elder brother too couldnt after exposing his false prophecies. I was like you before my reversion and pray that your eyes be opened before it would be too late. I dont post without facts, I have engaged those older and intelligent that you here so you that was born yesterday couldnt even answer simple questions. Dont worry, very soon its my kid that would engage you here. I dont have time for your infantile unintelligent posts. Your elder brothers in the like of Olaadegbu, Tayod etc and sisters in the like of Babyosis here know me better when it comes to debate. A word is enough for the wise

what does inferiority complex mean?
what are facts?

u are just a deluded goon and a bloody slave of "allah".

did mohammed not have sex with a 9 year old girl? YES OR NO
did bin laden not kill in the name of the blood thirsty allah?
who was the allah that mohammed`s father was worhipping?
can u marry off ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed? YES OR NO
can u leave ur 9 year old daughter in the same room with mr mohammed? YES OR NO

all u have been doing is to rant, unless and until u answer my questions objectively, i will only continue to see a retarded goon, who serves the antediluvian idol called allah.

todak:
Facts please and we look at which is immoral when I take you to Song of Solomon and some part of Ezekiel and where prophet slept with daughter etc.

Hey, are you short of what say from your quran, ab eg do not change the gear of the tread, answer noetic, and i am particular about this:

what explanation do u have for osama bin laden`s attrocities in the name of islam?

I dont have o but could you name the atrocities please?

why would you not have, you that could search for the corruptible in the bible, would not know the offence of Bin Laden, i no go blame u because u na be birds of the same feathers, i know you can do the same to nigeria, but God no go allow un a ooo Amen.[b] noetic abeg helep me say amen. [/b]make them osama no bomb Oshodi o because na there people plenty pass at any time of the day.

Amen ooooooo. , , . . , make bin laden or mr blabs no bomb oshodi for us oooo

DRANOEL:
becomerich please do you have the map of my family compound? cause i strongly believe that my father's side is more populated than my uncle's side and with your maps i can prove it

hopefully becomerich can help me prove the same thing too.

mantraa:
Is it illegal to draw a picture of of the prophet Mohammed?

u want taliban to bomb u

dominique:
i live for the day we'll have a thread to ourselves on this section without these "believers" infiltrating the thread with their arrogance and insults. as much as i hate exchanging words on this forum, i cant keep quiet on this statement. . .

@ noetic, if you dont you've think you've gone overboard with that statement, then you're no better than an atheist. you claim Muslims attack your section,

how many christian bashing threads were started by us.

how many times do we rudely interrupt your discussions, and most importantly

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE CALLED GOD DEROGATORY NAMES JUST TO BUTTRESS OUR POINT

you can reply with at least three posts to each question.

Just go to the religious section and use the google toolbox there to search for "olobowale" and "babs787", there u will find hundreds of thread instigated by muslims, guilty of ur assertions.

Lagosboy:
No need to ask irrelavant question cos your hypocricy here doesnt apply too me.

See the fact remains these issues you raise are the very reason why muslims are muslims and christains are christians. The divinity of jesus and crucifiction is the main difference between the faiths and it did not stem from any muslim on this forum rather it is the core islamic belief. These difference and irreconcilable and i dont understand how this will lead you to call the prophet of islam names or call God with those derogatory names. I am not combative and not ready to go into any verbal combat. All i am saying is be civil and matured all these name calling is offensive to say the least.

These differences you are dwelling on has been there for 1430 years and so how does this justify the personal attack on the prophet of islam (PBUH).

Pls my guy be humble enough to accept insults has no place here. If any muslim does so as well i would call him to order.

I sense some genuity in ur intentions and postulations but u are definitely off the mark.

The differences between christian and muslim beliefs are as old as u claim. While my opinion on allah and mohammed sound blasphemous and irresponsible to u, thats exactly what islamic opinions about Jesus sound to me.

without complicating matters, I believe that I have being as objective as I can possibly be.
It has been proven on this thread, that allah was worshipped before the birth of mohammed. he had 3 daughters and a feminine form called "allat"
And also that mohammed had a sexual relationship with a 9 year old girl.

This two facts are the basis of my opinion. While I had/have no intention of upsetting anyone, but just like everyone else I am entitled to raise conclusions from this facts. this conclusions constitute my opinion that mohammed is a paedophile for having sexual relations with an underage girl and allah was merely one of the numerous gods of arabia like the moon and the sun. And that allah is NOT the christian GOD.

I am humble enough to understand ur angst against my opinion, be humble enough to respect my opinion too.

bawomolo:
There is no real opposition in Nigeria.

is there a functioning government too?

so?

fellis:
Do not insult the Qur'an.
It is not the plagiarised version of anything. If you don't want want to believe it, that's your choice, that does not warrant your insulting it.

fine. Any explanations for the numerous insults against the bible and Jesus?

your inaction is called hypocrisy. if the bible according to u (muslims) is corrupt, then the corrupt version is called the "koran".

They come to the west and agitate that their inhuman and antediluvian laws be respected, yet they refuse to grant others in their country this same privilege they get here in the west.

bloody nefarious slaves of allah. . , . .cousins of the irrational atheists

My sincere condolences.

Drusilla:
Why or why not?

that`s not the question, the question is what`s stopping them?

u make it sound as if, the men are very organised in preventing women from attaining power.
The nation is generally oppressed, its has nothing to do with male or female.

mazaje:
christians are quick to say that jesus says that by his stripes they are healed but they are quick to go to the hospitals when they get sick why not stay at home without going to hospital and taking drugs and pray only to jesus for healing since it is writing in the bible that they are healed by the stripes of jesus?. . . . . i hope her mum gets good treatment and get better. . . . .

thou pathetic atheist. . . .as far as u are concerned u have probably said something intelligent, right?

YES, by His stripes we are healed. Jesus is not an alternative to medicine, medicine is a tool in HIS hands. when a situation defies medical knowledge HE sure steps in, if and when called upon.

platinumnk:
thanks you guys, my mom is really going through a lot

some times our prayers don't get answered like we want, there could be a million reason for that.
but whatever the reason, it is said somewhere in His word. Other times, it is because we don't know how to pray as we should or what to ask for.

However in this case, I recommend that u go into a praying and thanks giving mood for 3 days.
you have just 2 prayer points, they are :
a). Forgiveness and abstinence from sin.
b). Holy Spirit pray for me and my mum.

that He hasn't healed ur mum does not mean He is still not the Master Healer. When the Holy Spirit prays for u, He prays directly against the source of the problem (which could be sin, spiritual attack or whatever), cos He searches and sees all things.

I believe u will have ur testimony sooner than u think.

@ blabs
thou brainwashed slave of allah, which of my questions did u answer?

babs787:
@Noetic
I have replied, you only need to read again withouty being biased.

read what? the next to nonsense rubbish u just posted. u must be crazy, if u expect me to read that again.

babs787:
@Noetic

Olodo somebody . Both of you would not be able to because they are glaring errors from your book. I have tabled contradictions, pornographic verses and missing verses in original msnuscript and some versions but present in KJV.

You can deny them if you are brave.

if the bible is corrupt like u claim, why not read the plagiarised version called "koran"?