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PurestBoy:
72 ke! Do you mean 72 girls for each man or all men are will share the 72?

72 for only one man. You will have sex for all of eternity. . .

PurestBoy:
@Shafiyah,


Ha ah lol, accepting Islam indeed, and be like who? Mohammed? I'm sure you are ready to offer me your six-year old daughter to shag like your Mohammed did? Even your horrible name alone can discourage one from joining the violent religion

you will also be rewarded with 72 virgins in al`janat. They will probably be under 6 years old.

littleb:
@noetic,

I said it earlier, you need to purify yourself first, expurgate your statements before posting. If God's will, He would have make us all one faith. There we came today, seen believers and unbelievers lie on major three boundaries, Christians, Muslims and Jews.
I claim I serve unique one God, Allah who created Adam, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad. The same Name Jesus called when he was about to be killed, Elohi. The same Name you are abusing here on nairaland. However, what if you are found to be on the wrong side on the day of judgment? All these your absurd will not help you rather put you in an eternal sufferings.

"allah" is not and cannot be the God of the bible, allah had three daughters, the God of the bible had ONE begotten Son called JESUS.

They are not and cannot be the same.

littleb:
@noetic,

This was not started then, it has been an existing traditions, even during the Biblical age before Islam to married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off.  In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off.  It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life.  So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married.  The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.


The culture back then only affected some countries and is quite different from what you live in today.

Personally, I will not argue with you concerning Aisha's age being 9 because there exist a ref for it. However, All Muslim scholars agree  that Prophet Muhammad and Aisha were engaged for 2 years before marriage.  However, some say that she was 7 when she got engaged, and 9 when she got married.  Others say that she was 9 when she got engaged and 11 when she got married. Whereas, some says get married at 14. However, Aisha has been engaged with one non believer before that of prophet Muhammad. It was broken coz the person was a non believer. The question is how old was she then?

In the ff narration:
Narrated Aisha:  "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.  ( Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"

Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage.  It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age.  When a girl's body starts showing up, then she would be ready for marriage.

It is very obvious in many pedophiles that they've carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children.

Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children.

keep going on and on about the morality of paedophilic act of mo. It is obvious and deducible that mohammed encouraged this despicable crime against womanhood and humanity. This has today become a norm in many islamic states, the links below can help u know better.

http://www.womenscampaigninternational.org/2009/04/saudi-arabia-to-review-underage-marriage-laws/
http://iperceive.net/underage-marriage-under-fire-in-saudi-arabia/
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/14/saudi.child.marriage/index.html
http://xrdarabia.org/2009/02/08/saudis-reconsider-underage-marriage/
http://www.freemuslims.org/news.php?id=4413
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/04/saudi-arabia-court-refuses-to-nix-8yearolds-marriage-to-60yearold.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/farivar/petition.html
http://www.islam-watch.org/Eka/Marriage.htm
http://en.afrik.com/article14723.html
http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/wgender/50527
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/asiapacific/news/article_1465336.php/Indonesian_cleric_arrested_over_underage_marriage_
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090214/FOREIGN/70325186/1011/ART

A despicable act? For marrying a girl that was offered to him by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans. If now, this is unacceptable to you. Then, shows us a proof it wasn't unacceptable then?

Fine.
Can u give ur 6 year old daughter to court mr mohammed? YES or NO
can u marry off ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed?  YES or NO
can u leave ur 9 year old daughter in the same room with mr mohammed?  YES or NO

If u can answer yes to all these questions, then it is deducible that this are norms in islam, a weakling like me can never understand.
And I refuse to serve a god who encourages this despicable act.

NOTE: The pedophilia in the bible was quite different, because girls were raped at 3-years of age by Moses and his men. What a lie against God's prophet.

where in the bible was this recorded?

Now if I may asked you a question, how old was Jesus mother when she conceived Jesus?

I cant find that in my bible, so u tell me.


Its obvious that my positions here is unrufling some feathers, however my antagonism of ur islam is based on 10 facts I have deduced over the last few days, they are:

Fact 1. Before Mohammed came, arabians were worshipping 360 idols in kabal, one for each day and "allah" was one of them.

Fact 2. Mohammed`s father worshipped this "allah", before the birth of mohammed. This can be deduced from his name abdallah. which means servant of allah.

Fact 3. allah is the coining of two words meaning "al" and "llah" meaning "the" "god". I will deduce from this that whoever coined the name "allah" was referring to one of the 360 gods in existence then. My deduction is buttressed by history.

Fact 4.  Contrary to jejune postulations by blabs and co, no prophet in the old testament called Jehovah God "allah" (this includes Abraham, Moses, Isaiah et all), neither did the new testament christians ever refer to GOD as "allah"

Fact 5. Since there is no known correlation (amongst the prophets) between the biblical Jehovah God and "allah", it is safe to state that christians and muslims do not worship the same "God"

Fact 6. The Ka`ba was a house devoted for the worship of the sun, the moon and the planets in the pre-mohammed era. You know what it is being used for now, right?

Fact 7. The feminine form of "allah" is called "allat" . Any explanation for this?

Fact 8. Mohammed introduced no new god to arabians. He only ascended the status of "allah" from a minor god (in comparison with the moon and the sun) to the main god in arabia.

Fact 9. Who/what is Sabean and Mineam? Pre-mohammed "allah" had 3 daughters who were worshipped along with him. They are al`-Uzzah (power), al-Lat (the goddess), and Manah (fate) why are they now not acknowledged in present day islam?

Fact 10. Islam by the deeds and inactions of mohammed was conceived in idolatry, as there is no connection between allah and Jehovah God. That explains certain traditions and convictions of islam.

Good luck.

Lagosboy:
Gentleman, i have been sifting through some of your posts and this i would say got under my skin. Lets be civil and understand and respect the sensitivities of other faiths. If we must debate and argue lets do it but within the confines of intellectualism, civility and decorum which frowns at throwing of insults and derogatory words not just to a person but to the symbol of a faith. I can assume your a christian from your posts but no muslim can ever say a derogatory word towards Jesus not to mention calling Allah with those words.

It is is ignorance i would say leads you to call Allah in those term as we have established time without numbers that arab christains call God with that name, that yoruba call god as olorun , that igbo people call him chineke , that hausas calls him Allah or Ubangiji. I cant believe a true christain would refer to God in those demeaning terms all because he hates a faith and the people of that faith refer to God in a particular language.

Referring to the prophet of islam in those words is simply ridiculous and you could be humble enough to apologise and continue with your debate. There is absolute no need for insults and that is why people get baned from this section.

You say muslims should stay of the xtian forum but there is no christain section on NL what we have is a religious section for peoplle of all faiths and it is only islam that has a separate section.

why be an hypocrite?

why not ask ur brethrens to stop the peddling of falsehood and derogatory claims about sacred christian beliefs.

If a muslim can deduce from his knowledge that Jesus is NOT God and was not crucified (which contradicts my beliefs) and also that the bible is "corrupt"then I should be able to deduce from my knowledge and the numerous obtainable evidences that:

1. Mohammed is a paedophile and sex pervert (for having sexual relations with a 9 year old girl) with a blood thirsty spirit serving an idol called "allah".

2. allah is merely one of the numerous (360) gods worshiped in arabia before the birth of mohammed. allah was worshipped by mohammed`s father abdallah, allah had a wife or feminine form called "allat" and together they had three children called al`-Uzzah (power), al-Lat (the goddess), and Manah (fate).

u have ur beliefs and I have mine. This forum is intended that all parties express themselves for educational and informative purposes.
So please stop ur ranting about morality and decorum.

Lagosboy:
This is has been my campaign here all along. To be honest many post i should contribute to i dont cos of these insults and low words. This is even a religous section and it is quite an oxymoron that we cant debate without insults and attacks to the noble prophets, God and ourselves.

Once i contribute to a thread and the response is insults and stuff i just prefer to stay away and not get dragged into the mess. Patience and self restraint is taught by all religions and we should practise it.

I must say many of the non muslims that come to this section are guilty of these and i urge them to change and lets analyse like matured minds, with that we could really enlighten each other and have meaningful religious discussions and less hate words.

your bias is legendary. What you have failed to understand is that it takes two to tangle.
How come some forumites are never insulted? thats because they dont insult people.

You get what u give, no one will sit back and watch u insult what they hold sacred and then let u preach about morality and decorum.

uplawal:
what is the difference between Gods spirit that came upon the virgin mary and the holy spirit that we christians believed that christ sent for us, is as if the spirit never existed before thats why he said he will send it, and he refers it as HIM , if is not Muhammed hes talking about then,its confusing cos Gods spirit has existed even before creation and even after creation, pls i need sound explanation and no favouritism between the two religion,thanks.

why not start a new thread.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=258421.msg3738983#msg3738983 date=1239901871]Did I say that he is the devil?[/quote]considering that this thread is about him, It was very easy to deduce that from ur original statement.
so i simply asked for evidence.

I simply made a statement, and it was just to keep it in the mind of others that the devil comes in the angel of light, and it certainly may not refer to him or to him alone.

well noted.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=258421.msg3738577#msg3738577 date=1239897889]The devil comes as the angel of light[/quote]very rubbish talk.

any evidence that he is the devil?

MrCrackles:
Most of them are thieves and highway robbers!

The only different is they dont carry guns!!

and when u are reminded that mohammed is a paedophile, u start cracking up.

thou hypocrite slave of allah. . . . .watch thy tongue

taohaf:
Oga Noetic, u address Allah as a "Thing" with such ridiculous attribute. I hope u knw is ur creator u are using ur mouth to talk to like that.I believ the modrator of this special discussion specified it for muslims and muslims only.I dont think this should be an avenue to express ur bad impression injected to you from somewhere about islam and our noble Prophet.The space here is for islamic Education not religious critics like u. Use ur time in posting on other topic if u must

how come this is ur second post on nairaland? I suspect this is blabs again.

You can also tell ur fellow muslims to stay off the xtian forum.

babs787:
@Todak

Over to you

and u actually think that u said something meaningful? ur delusion is legendary

babs787:
@Noetic


Oga Liar . Do you care to furnish me where he had sex with a six year old wife?

ok. I have been corrected, Aisha was 9.
so blabs would u give ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed to have sex with ?   

is sex with a 9 year old not paedophilic?
mohammed was definitely a slowpoke, inhumane and a sex pervert.

what explanation do u have for this despicable act?
considering that he did it in the name of allah, allah must have been an idiot, and a very inhuman thing.

mazaje:
i already did.

blah blah blah blah 

you copied and pasted the work of a drunkard that will rather tell a lie for jesus than accept what the writers of the gospel are saying eh?  . The problem is that the guys shot himself in the leg so many time. . . . the apologist you copied and pasted from says jesus was on earth for 40 days butr luke 24:1-51 and  mark 16:9-19  CLEARLY state that jesus ascended into heaven on the day of resurrection. while acts 1;2-3, 9 say forty days after resurrection. the apologist you cited says so many things that are not even in the bible. you did not even bother to read what he said. here is what your apologist wrote.


the problem is that there is no such thing written in the gospel of luke, no where did luke say that the events he was talking about from luke 24 vs 1:53 took place more thann five weeks later, it is very clear that everything took place on a single day. . . .

No where did he also state otherwise. ur problem is that u  read the bible with a closed mind. why bother with its contents at all?
deluded goon 

read joyce mayers book about how she visited heaven and what she saw and bishop lance powel, or the other nigerian woman, the one that is responsible for the child witch saga in calabar and see how their account of events cancel each other out. they all do not seem to agree with the basic nature of heaven, compare what they have written about heaven to what is written in relevations and you will be laughing you head off. . . . . . .

what are the contradictions in their stories?

Why have u been reading about heaven?   start reading about hell fire too 

eternal judgement exist only in you deluded imaginations. . . .

that explains why u have been reading about heaven. deluded ignoramus.

fellis:
Thanks.
Did u read what I wrote to you here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-261128.0.html#msg3730483 ?
I was  hoping you did.

Yes I did. I just found some facts very disturbing about the mohammed, abdallah and allah story.

@noetic
(this post is by no means written to start a fight)
About what is written as your location,
Allah was known, to the pagans of Arabia to be God, the creator of the heavens and the earth, back then before the coming of Mohammed. But they believed mostly in idol worshipping along with worshipping Him, or they associated idols as His partners in worshipping Him.

Fact 1. Before Mohammed came, arabians were worshipping 360 idols in kabal, one for each day and "allah" was one of them.

Fact 2. Mohammed`s father worshipped this "allah", before the birth of mohammed. This can be deduced from his name abdallah. which means servant of allah.

Fact 3. allah is the coining of two words meaning "al" and "llah" meaning "the" "god". I will deduce from this that whoever coined the name "allah" was referring to one of the 360 gods in existence then. My deduction is buttressed by history.

Fact 4.  Contrary to jejune postulations by blabs and co, no prophet in the old testament called Jehovah God "allah" (this includes Abraham, Moses, Isaiah et all), neither did the new testament christians ever refer to GOD as "allah"

Fact 5. Since there is no known correlation (amongst the prophets) between the biblical Jehovah God and "allah", it is safe to state that christians and muslims do not worship the same "God"

Fact 6. The Ka`ba was a house devoted for the worship of the sun, the moon and the planets in the pre-mohammed era. You know what it is being used for now, right?

Fact 7. The feminine form of "allah" is called "allat" . Any explanation for this?

Fact 8. Mohammed introduced no new god to arabians. He only ascended the status of "allah" from a minor god (in comparison with the moon and the sun) to the main god in arabia.

Fact 9. Who/what is Sabean and Mineam? Pre-mohammed "allah" had 3 daughters who were worshipped along with him. They are al`-Uzzah (power), al-Lat (the goddess), and Manah (fate) why are they now not acknowledged in present day islam?

Fact 10. Islam by the deeds and inactions of mohammed was conceived in idolatry, as there is no connection between allah and Jehovah God. That explains certain traditions and convictions of islam.

Allah had been known as The One sovereign God even before Mohammed and His father were born. It was not Mohammed that introduced Allah's worship,

Thats not true. he was merely one of the 360 worshipped daily in Arabia, housed in the Ka`ba with his three daughters.

he (Mohammed) sought to put an end to the worshipping of Idols along with Allah and to bring those pagans to the worship of ONLY ONE True God.

Nope. He simply elevated one of the numerous gods of arabia. Its up to u logically prove me wrong.

The fact that his father was an Idol worshipper does not mean that Allah never existed before then.
At thread, sorry for derailing. This was the only way I could get this across.

I agree that his father was an idol worshipper. We can deduce the idol his father worshipped from his (father) name abd`allah. which means servant of allah.
So mohammed`s father worshiped an idol called  "allah" who had 3 daughters and was one of the 360 idols resident in arabia.

who then is the new "allah" introduced by mo? whats the connection(s) between the new and old "allah`s"? where are his/its daughters?

debosky:
Ephesians 5:21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

how do u expect huxley to understand that?

huxley:
What sort of nonsense is this? What is wrong with treating one's wife with utmost equality and with respect. What is wrong with encouraging women and men to treating each other with respect and equality and assign roles as per one's competencies?

And how does the bible or the sermon u posted negate this comment of urs?
how does submissiveness not encompass equality and respect? how does the scripture not encourage men to be responsible husbands too?

ur problem is, u find everything biblical unintelligent and antediluvian. this has made u unobjective and very irrational to reality.
Or perharps ur reasoning is along the african limited connotation of words. This connotations that limit the meaning of submissiveness to the indirect slavery pertinent in African cultures.

Humility, supportive assertions, helpful and encouraging postulations are virtues of submissiveness required from a good partner (male or female). It has nothing to do with abuse, beating, modern slavery or battering like u imagined.

huxley:
What authority have you got to question tithing.

15 Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

It is a practice demanded in the bible and you have no authority to question it?

Its not requested by Christ. This was what He told us:
34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.

The early disciples demonstrated this love by giving according to their abilities for the benefit of all.

What make you think that the practice of the early Christian would have been what God would have approved off?

and ur point is?

And what make you think that Christians of today should emulate the early Christians?

why should they not?

I am fast beginning to question the rationality of tithing, courtesy of the many intelligent posts on this forum.

why single out just one of the laws (tithing) of the old testament for convenience?
The new testament christians gave willingly and most gave all they had. This giving was used for the benefit of all including widows, orphans, less privileged, hungry et all. No one paid or was commanded to pay tithes in the new testament.

There is however no moral justification for tithing as the proceeds are not even used for the purpose intended.
Pastors like everyone else should not demand or pay tithes.

huxley:
Have you been slavishly submitting to your husband today? Have you got any mind of your own left?

whats ur alternative to submission? disrespect and demand for equality, right?

sure u can.

huxley:
Watch here

uhmn?

It is well.

@ Mazaje

Grin Grin Grin Grin you wish, i just find it ridiculous why people believe in a story that completely does not add up. . .

can u meaningfully list the parts of the "story" that do not add up. Please dont go to a website and then paste all the nonesense u find there.
read through it and come up with meaningful questions.

even the writers of the gospel do not seem to know exactly what happened to the jesus the wrote about their stories completely cancel each other out, pls tell me where jesus first appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead because the writers of the gospel do not know where that really happened. . .keep believing their lies. . .

  u make me laugh with ur uninformed and illiterate postulations.

Anyway this was what someone had to say to an apologetic like u, for this baseless insinuation: I have no reason to add to it.

Matthew, Mark, and John have Jesus saying the disciples are to rendezvous with him in Galilee, northern Israel, about three days journey away. In contradiction to this, Luke’s two books—The Gospel of Luke and The Book of Acts, have Jesus planning to rendezvous in Jerusalem….

    In the real world, people cannot be in two places at the same time, and to claim otherwise is to be caught up in a contradiction…. The Bible, like the cheating husband, has been caught in a contradiction, exposed as a liar, and therefore can’t be trusted to tell the truth (Smith, 1995).

Is the skeptic right? Is the Bible at fault in this instance? Does it place the same people in two different places “at the same time”? Where exactly did Jesus intend to meet with His disciples—in Galilee or Jerusalem?

The truth is, Jesus met with His disciples in both places, but He did so at different times. One of the reasons so many people allege that two or more Bible passages are contradictory is because they fail to recognize that mere differences do not necessitate a contradiction. For there to be a bona fide contradiction, not only must one be referring to the same person, place, or thing in the same sense, but the same time period must be under consideration. If a person looks at a single door in the back of a building and says, “That door is shut,” but also says, “That door is open,” has he contradicted himself? Not necessarily. The door may have been shut at one moment, but then opened the next by a strong gust of wind. Time and chronology are important factors to consider when dealing with alleged errors in the Bible.

Consider another illustration that more closely resembles the alleged problem posed by the skeptic. At the end of every year, the professional and managerial staff members at Apologetics Press travel to Birmingham, Alabama, for a two-day, end-of-the-year meeting. Suppose the Executive Director reminds us of this event three days beforehand, saying, “Don’t forget about our meeting in Birmingham beginning Thursday,” and then calls our homes on the morning of the meeting as another reminder, saying, “Don’t forget about our meeting today in Birmingham.” Would someone be justified in concluding that our Executive Director had lied about the meeting if, on that Thursday morning, all of the staff members at Apologetics Press (including the Executive Director) showed up at work in Montgomery, and carried out some of the same tasks performed on any other workday? Not at all. Actually, on the day the staff at Apologetics Press leaves for the end-of-the-year meeting, it is common for everyone to work until about 10:30 a.m., and then depart for the meeting in Birmingham. If someone asked whether we went into work in Montgomery on Thursday, one honestly could say, “Yes.” If someone else asked if we traveled to Birmingham on Thursday for a 2-day meeting, again, one could truthfully say, “Yes.” Both statements would be true. We met at both places on the same day, only at different times.

Similarly, Jesus met with His disciples both in Jerusalem and in Galilee, but at different times. On the day of His resurrection, He met with all of the apostles (except Thomas) in Jerusalem just as both Luke and John recorded (Luke 24:33-43; John 20:19-25). Since Jesus was on the Earth for only forty days following His resurrection (cf. Acts 1:3), sometime between this meeting with His apostles in Jerusalem and His ascension more than five weeks later, Jesus met with seven of His disciples at the Sea of Tiberias in Galilee (John 21:1-14), and later with all eleven of the apostles on a mountain in Galilee that Jesus earlier had appointed for them (Matthew 28:16). Sometime following these meetings in Galilee, Jesus and His disciples traveled back to Judea, where He ascended into heaven from the Mount of Olives near Bethany (Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:9-12).

None of the accounts of Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances contradicts another. Rather, each writer supplemented what a different writer left out. Jesus may have appeared to the disciples a number of times during the forty days on Earth after His resurrection (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:1-7), while the New Testament writers mentioned only the more prominent instances in order to substantiate the fact of His resurrection.

Still, one may ask, “Why did Jesus command His apostles to ‘tarry in the city of Jerusalem’ on the day of His resurrection until they were ‘endued with power from on high’ (Luke 24:49), if He really wanted them to meet Him in Galilee?” Actually, it is an assumption to assert that Jesus made the above statement on the same day that He arose from the grave. One thing we must keep in mind as we study the Bible is that it normally is not as concerned about chronology as modern-day writings. Frequently (especially in the gospel accounts), writers went from one subject to the next without giving the actual time or the exact order in which something was done or taught (cf. Luke 4:1-3; Matthew 4:1-11). In Luke 24, the writer omitted the post-resurrection appearances of Jesus in Galilee (mentioned by both Matthew and John). However, notice that he never stated that Jesus remained only in Jerusalem from the day He rose from the grave until the day He ascended up into heaven.

According to Luke 24 verses 1,13,21,29, and 33, the events recorded in the first forty-three verses of that chapter all took place on the very day of Jesus’ resurrection (cf. 24:1,13,21,29,33). The last four verses of Luke 24 (vss. 50-53), however, took place (according to Luke) more than five weeks later (cf. Acts 1:1-12). But what about verses 44-49? When were these statements made? The truth is, no one can know for sure. Luke gives no indication (as he did in the preceding verses) that this particular section took place “on the first day of the week” (24:1), or on “the third day” since Jesus’ crucifixion (24:21). All we know is that verses 44-49 took place sometime before He ascended into heaven (vss. 50-51). Simply because Luke used the Greek conjunctive particle de [translated “and” (ASV), “then” (NKJV), and “now” (NASV)] to begin verse 44, does not necessarily denote a close connection between the two verses, but only a general continuation of the account and a brief statement of what Jesus said. Even though many twenty-first-century readers assume that the events recorded in Luke 24:44-49 occurred on the very day Jesus rose from the grave, the text actually is silent on the matter.

The burden of proof is on the Bible critic to verify his allegation. Although the skeptic quoted earlier compared the Bible to a “cheating husband” who “has been caught in a contradiction,” one must remember how equally deplorable it is to draw up charges of marital unfaithfulness when there is no proof of such. In reality, the Bible should be likened to a faithful husband who has been wrongfully accused of infidelity by prejudiced, overbearing skeptics whose case is based upon unproven assumptions. cuddled from: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/532

what is eternity? that only exist in your imagination. can't you see that even your fellow christians that claim to have been to the christian heaven and have written books about their "experiences" and what they "saw" clearly do not seem to agree on the nature of heaven and what each of them saw? their testimonies completely cancel each other out. . . .it only show that they have very good imaginations and fantasies. . . .

Can u provide just 2 contradicting accounts of heaven.

jesus is a fictional character. . . keep believing the imaginations and fairy tales of ancient jews, greeks and romans. . . . . .

why are u not discussing harry porter, since he is obviously fictional.
but since ur conscience keeps indicting u, u cant live with the reality of facing judgement.
so what if u die n find out Jesus is Lord?  it will be 3 late 

bawomolo:
I don't get you guys, what's wrong with female leader?

the same thing thats wrong with a male leader.

@ mazaje
I wonder why u are so bothered about what happened to Jesus?

u are deeply worried and having sleepless nights about what awaits u in eternity, right?
that explains why u can post such a long sermon on a "fictional character". face ur fears.

[quote author=onye_ngbu link=topic=260985.msg3729204#msg3729204 date=1239741590]until the hausa and yoruba leaders put ethnicity aside when making their appointments or during elections then we can blame everybody.

Nigeria is being run by hausa and yoruba people and majority of looters are coming from west and north so its not a bad thing to blame them.

Our problems starts from looting and every other thing follows so if yoruba and hausa are our major looters, why would i blame any other person.[/quote]how have the igbo governors been a blessing to their people between 1999 till date?

what Nntg & quo?

[quote author=onye_ngbu link=topic=260985.msg3729111#msg3729111 date=1239740797]you all know where our problems are coming from,

its hausa and yoruba people who has been running Nigeria like their family business.

shebi they say Nigeria cannot afford igbo president.
Ndi oshi![/quote]u need to start looking beyond ethnicity. The division in nigeria is not based on ethnic line but between the oppressors and the oppressed.
unless and until the common man forgets their "baseless" minor differences and stand up to the oppressors, we will forever wine in poverty and underdevelopment.

The most unfortunate part is that we are bequeathing a habit of complaints without action to the coming generations.

I hope its not true.