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bawomolo:
lmao, i prefer the Da Vinci code

u like too much fiction . . . , . live in reality my dear.

@ topic.

who do u think u are fooling?  those are not the most asked questions about islam.
This is an attempt to unleash an islamic propaganda machine.
except of course u are talking fellow brainwashed, no conscience, blood thirsty, terrorist inclined islamic bigots.

These are the most asked questions about islam, if u can "intelligently" answer this questions, then maybe my view on islam can change.
until then . . .   

1.   why are muslims all over the world blood thirsty and would readily kill in the name of anything?

2.    What explanation do u have for mohammed`s paedophilic nature?

3.    why did mohammed kill 700 jews in year 600?

4.     why did mohammed snatch his adopted son`s wife? isnt that incest?

5.   why are muslims inclined towards "holy" killing against defenceless women and children?

6.   what is the rationality in amputating a helpless boy, who stole because of poverty, in the name of sharia?

7.   why is terrorism an islamic agenda?

8.   whats the rationale in killing people who choose to convert to other religions after seeing the numerous and despicable evil of islam?

9.   whats ur explanation for mohammed marrying a 6 year old girl? would u let him marry and sexually abuse ur 6 year old girl?

10.   why do u presently wish u could see me now and stab me? why is violence in ur blood?

11.    why is there no tolerance in any islamic state? why is there no democracy in any islamic state?

12.   why do u have to kill for allah? why is allah such a powerless, blood thirsty, demonic and consciously debilitating object called an idol?

13.    why do u abuse ur powers on nairaland, by banning and deleting anti-islamic posts, yet promote anti-xtian posts?

14.  whats the rationale behind jihad? fighting and killing defenceless people when unprovoked?

15.   why does allah want u to convert the world to islam by war? if he was that powerful, why didnt he just touch people`s heart when prayed for?

16.   why is allah keeping several generations of slaves? why is he not a father, but an advocate of modern slavery?

17.    why is the world such a terrible place because of the violence of islam?

why? why? why? why? why?

please answer this pertinent questions, to enlighten me about islam.

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=260194.msg3717335#msg3717335 date=1239451558]Who knows?
But you can see it's grossly abused. You come across books and teachings that issue formulas for 'manipulating' God into giving what you want. Like God doesn't want to give you these stuff and you have to work hard to overcome his resistance.

Prayer seems to work, though. There was something I badly wanted for five years. I can't overstate how much I wanted this 'thing'. One morning in February I was overcome with profound despair and cried. Well, you know how only God is supposed to be able to read your thoughts? I thought a prayer. I don't even know if it qualifies as one. I just thought:

You know how badly I want this. Don't make wait. Don't draw this out. If you're really there and you really care, let me have this TODAY.

That was all. I went about my day, terribly unhappy .
By 3 PM  that afternoon I HAD THAT VERY THING.

I was devastated, of course. Why, of the two thousand days I'd been longing for this, did I get get it on the day I asked? Why not the next day, or the next month or the next year?

Prayer seems to work, as long as we're not being silly about it. I get what you mean about people sitting pretty and waiting for what they want to be handed to them, though. You're supposed to work and strive for what you want.[/quote]our pastors today have actually forgotten that there is something called the will of GOD.

Badriyyah:
This topic is just sad.

of course it is, considering that allah was actually an idol. . . . . .i never imagined that. 

babs787:
@Noetic

That shows the extent of your being brainwashed. I keep seeing this word 'Allah' in your BIBLE but still do not know your problem with same.

I raised it in one of the thread that BABS would like to discuss with you, David, Todak, No2atheism on your doctrines starting with pagan festival caled Easter and we would try to calculate three days and three nights as claimed by Jesus because you people believed that He died on Friday but would resurrect on Sunday morning and you would as well go to see him in Galilee.
Olodo set of people.

please stop this unfortunate misinformation. where in ur deluded dreams did u c allah in the holy bible?

littleb:
@noetic

You dont need to be brainwashed! Allah is not an Idol. He is the Lord God who created heaven and heart and all things therein including you. Muhammad was just a prophet and a messenger just like Jesus and Moses. Moreso, you are free to claim anything, nobody is being force to believe, if one claim he has other god(s), then so be it.

Fine. I just want to know why mohammed`s father was called abdallah. meaning a servant of allah, since mohammed introduced u to allah?

seems to me like u are the brainwashed dude around here . was allah worshipped prior to mohammed? was he an idol?

[quote author=ok.gerald link=topic=244551.msg3716733#msg3716733 date=1239431398]Who is this idiot? Is this in the Quran? Can u furnish facts to support this?[/quote]Fine. If I am an idiot for emphasising what has been proven and buttressed on this thread, then u must be a fast retarding goat who cannot bother to search through facts.

mo`s full name is mohammed bin abdullah. his father is abdallah
I m asking u nairaland goat, what does abdallah mean? that is if u can answer.

Enockia:
the church is a holy church and not a cult though it oporates like one

did u bother to ask them why?

manmustwac:
my mother goes to that church

no wonder u can open ur mouth to blaspheme endlessly in the name of atheism. she has been praying for u amongst other things.
you better come to the acknowledgement of Christ, that u might spend eternity with Him.

Kobojunkie:
I knew I would fine you here with this nonsense again!
@Oyb, instead of going around spewing nonsense may I suggest again that you spend time researching what DEMOCRACY means and how you CANNOT make such a statement as the one you keep making above?

How can u expect an islamic bigot to conduct an objective research or make an objective statement?


@ Topic.

The unfortunate reality has been explicitly stated by the poster. I find consolation in the fact that the scriptures already informs us of this madness.

This debate is only taking place because so far the "deportees" have been from a neighbouring Yoruba state. If this was done to a northern state, then we can be sure of another bloodbath. Cos they tend to pick up arms easily and senselessly in the north than in the south.

This event is similar to the events that preceded the first military coup, counter coup and the civil war, with ibos being killed in the north, and subsequent retaliation on their parts.
The layman interpretation of this policy is that of tribalism. Fashola has no constitutional, conventional, moral or political right to deport any citizen from Lagos to another part of the country. He is indirectly asking for what is costly. At a price I m sure he is not willing to pay.

The educated, illustrious and well to do southerners (of all southern tribes) living in the north (who have made the north home for several decades) will be the worst losers. Recent massacres against northern based xtians in recent past attests to this.

Fashola should think this through. Why not just criminalise begging by making it illegal and then "informally" ask the beggars to relocate to their states of origin with indirect aids. Else another mad event (through reactions and counter reactions)is in store for Nigeria.

so allah was a bloody idol worshipped long before mohammed was born. . . . . . .incredible

And to think that an islamic mullah said that all non-muslims are enemies of islam and must be killed.
yet they want to capture the world with violence, and hypocritically claim to love, by perform all sorts of dehumanising "holy" killing.

Islam is the biggest evil of this age while atheism is the height of irrationality, ignorance and disbelief of this age.
May God save us all from "holy" killers and the many irrational ignoramus.

In celebration of the one who cared enough to redeem us all from the burden of the law and the grunt of judgement, I say Happy Easter to all.

And the united misery continues. . . . .

Sunderland 2:0 Man Utd

RED cards: Rooney
Vidic
Ronaldo

another free flowing powerful display, by the best playing team on the planet.

wigan 0:3 Arsenal

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Walcott.

babs787:
@No2atheism

Oga, why dod you love creating uneccessary stress for yourself? Answers have been provided but you still went ahead spaming the thread. Sit up dude and lets discuss.

Lest  forget, [b]I want to create some threads STRICTLY for you, Davidylan, Todak and myself on yor doctrines in christianity [/b]and I would beg the moderators not to lock the threads regardless of your insult.

as if u can answer questions intelligently _{hisses continuosly}   

OLAADEGBU:
You must cover your face in shame. You shot yourself in the foot when you opened yourself to challenges and when I asked you some pertinent questions about your blind faith you ducked and dived, avoiding to answer any of them. I remember toneyt chasing you about to answer his question and you began to run from pillar to post. You even put your foot in the mouth when you pledged to pay £100.00 if anyone could show you a peer review article of a biblical creationist, this was produced immediately and you have been no where to be found, claiming not to have seen the post, typical atheist.

No its obvious who the dishonest one is. . , . . , .if u push him further he will say "I dont know"

mazaje:
25 mins into the video all i can say is that this can be done with any book, like the koran or harry porter. this is just the work of fundamentalist jewish rabbi's that have no work to do but to spread conspiracy theories all over the place, i have watched a few of such "decodings" of the koran also. . . . do you believe that the hebrew language is the holy language of yahweh as some of the hebrew mystics are implying?

u couldnt bear to see the whole video, cos of the overwhelming reality involved. well understood.

huxley:
Was it not you who agreed to take part in a 20-20 questions debate-athon? We have that on record, remember. Was it not you again who duck out, shamefacedly out of the agreed debate-athon? How dishonest yuou christians are!

good to know i am dishonest and u are deceitful. did i not accept ur challenge? did u answer my first two questions explicitly?
is "i dont know" an answer i should always look out for?

huxley:
I am not surprised Christian are unable to answer such simple questions.

I am not surprised either, that atheists and evolutionists are able to answer all questions saying "i dont know"

KAG:
Rather than spend 45 minutes watching that, I read Moby D[b]ick[/b] and found that I could predict things too> Here's a guy that did the Moby [b]D[/b]ick code:

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html

thou unobjective atheist. . , . .why not watch the video?

mazaje:
what is this nonsense? have you watched the daja'al? it is the islamic prediction of the end of days according to the koran. . . keep living in ur bubble of delusion, i was once like you. . . . .

shaaaarrraaappppppppppppp  

watch it first before u start postin ur usual nonsense. at least that way u have sometin meaningful to contribute.

KAG:
Good to know what you think. I've asked you before and I'll ask here again: start a thread with those "pertinent questions" and time willing, I'll participate. The conditions were and still are: "Don't duck out of questions when I ask them in return, and don't try to simply handwave away any of my responses - basically, engage actively with the contents of any potential responses. I'll also promise to do the same. Deal?"

I have heard this before from huxley, all i got eventually was "i dont know"

where is huxley. bawomolo, KAG, mazaje, wirinet et all

where are u all, children of disbelief?

huxley:
Exodus 21:17 "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death."

why must u curse ur father or mother?

Jesus paid the price. . . .

mazaje:
you seem more confused than i thought, what has a child's rebellion against his parents got to do with treason? . rebellion means amongst other things resistance to or defiance of any authority, control, or tradition, so what the heck are you saying? what has yahweh's chosen people merry go round in the wilderness according to the bible got to do with what you are saying?

considering that intelligence counts for nothing in nairaland, I am not surprised at your continuous circle of ignorance, biblical bias and meaningless assertions.

since u have successfully defined rebellion, now put that in the context of a war torn nation. . . . . , what do u get?

@ KAG

I honestly cant figure out the basis and destination of this debate any more. Cos u have turned it head on with ur contradicting postulations and definitions. I will try to be as objective as I can.
The bone of contention still remains my position about the continuous relevance of God`s laws in this age, in form of morality or righteousness.

KAG:
No, I didn't. I've quoted the relevant part of my response for you to read again. But what do you mean by level of reprecussions? You mean reactions to acts?

By repercussions here, I meant the punishment attached to each crime. I dont suppose u have a problem with that. do u?

I'm sensing a fundamental error on your part in regards to what the examples I gave delineate. Okay, let's start from the top. No, it's not in every court that lying is a punishable offence or immoral. The same applies between individuals too. It is mostly in some modern countries that lying in a court of law is punishable by the law. And even several of those countries, lying isn't as clear-cut. The point being that while several courts have a law against lying, it's for one thing not a moral edict, and for another not a cultural determinant.
For the second, adultery is also not frowned upon by many cultures. Heck, you even gave some examples. That alone, if nothing else, should make you realise it isn't an ubiquitous Moral (with a big "M". For the thrid, it isn't just that he wasn't prosecuted, it's more so that his actions were considered morally right by many. Many individuals, contrary to your view on morality, disregarded any dogmatic clinging to an age old Jewish law, and were able to decide that the boy's actions were in fact good. That's the point.

Finally, no it isn't just repercussions that differ between communities and societies: it is outlooks that differ. Remember the example of cannibalism I gave? That outlook on what is moral is completely different from that of many other societies.

Clearly not.

Um, no, it's explainable by the finite wisdom of humans. No need to draft any gods in here. And what do you mean by "no atheist can question the morality of his [God? Moses? The levites?] laws"? I already did that. Even Christians have been known to do that. Also, many of "god's" laws have also been amended or abolished. In that regard, "thou shalt not steal" became amended for the Israelites ". . . except if it's the property of other cultures you've maimed and killed". "Thou shalt not kill" was collared by "unless you believe your God is telling you otherwise". All through out the Bible we see "God's unchanging laws" become amended and supplanted, resulting eventually in Jesus' summation of what the decalogue should be.

I am and I was. You mentioned the laws of God to Moses, I'm letting you realise that those number more than ten.

You're not making any sense. Why would I want to declassify the good and evil of God's law? I'm sure you don't mean declassify, but I can't for the life of me figure out which word you mean instead.

In any case, your response doesn't the address the point I made. Contrary to what you stated, even if restrict our focus to just the decalogue, already we see that most cultures don't relate their larger sense of morality or laws to the first four of the ten commandments. That much is clear. There are other points implicitly in that part of my post, but that's the most pertinent one.

For me, norms are lot closer to ethics and culturally ingrained or influenced habits. So, in that vein, norms are beliefs and values of the whole (whole meaning the community, society, basically the larger structure to which the individual is identified). For instance, in countries in the Middle East, it is normatively right to be a Muslim. Now, like I stated previously, morality, for me, is a system of thought of the individual. That system of evaluating good and bad/evil on an individual level, is distinguishable, though influenced, by the right and wrong of the norms of the whole. I hope that makes sense.

I honestly cant figure out ur points cos I believe ur definition of the concepts in contention here are contradicting (at least to me), and as such I cannot figure out how exactly to reply some of ur points.

Let me set the ball rolling by defining the major concepts at stake here. They are norms and morality.
I define norms as a typical practice of a place or group of people.
I also define morality as the distinction between good and evil.
I further state that morality and moral concepts is universal, based on the immortal laws of God given to man, that has not been amended, substituted or repudiated by man, thousands of years after it has been given.

Now to elucidate on their differences I will state that while polyandry is a norm in India, adultery remains immoral.  

That's nice. [b]So much for non-amendment, [/b]eh? You know, actually, it's more than just love. Love is the main word in the two commandments, but they are far more reaching thanjust the word. This is just a digression, though.

please be objective. The love commandment was a succint summary of the other 10 commandments.
If u love ur neighbour would u kill? steal from? lie against? him/her.

If u love JEHOVAH would u bow to baal? When Jesus said Love, he meant that by that u are not condemned unto judgement, cos u easily overcome sin.
I said this cos i didnt expect an atheist to deduce this from the bible.

You know, it's really bad form to ask me a question, then in the next breath or line, conclude that I don't know the answer to the question - before I even get the chance to read the question, no less. In any case, no my assertion isn't false. Refer back to the examples I gave of how different communities perceive several actions. I started that line of argument by recommending the dissoi logoi.

The law says "thou shall not kill" but also empowers the president to declare war on Cameroon or any other nation, if at any time there is a provocation to do so. How does the "events" or casualties of this war on both sides amount to killing? in other words how does this casualties contradict another law that say  "thou shall not kill"?

Really it does that? Show me where it does that within the daclogue. No, seriously. All I see everytime I read it is "Thou shalt not kill". No where do I see "unless you're a head of state declaring war on another group of people". Now, it isn't so much the casualties that show the inherent contradiction (although the dead do tell a tale), it's the people committing the acts that lead to death. You know, the people doing all the killing? Yes, them. To bring this back to what I said, many communities and individuals have understood that edict in reference to their selves and communities. Morality (big "M" is thereby not universal even for people that shared the same the same Bible.

In a war, do u consider military casualties as killing or murder? definitely not. so why is Joshua`s case different?

I don't see the contradiction. Think of it in this way: A community may help to shape language, but speech may still be individual. THe individual, shaped by many things including the community that may have helped to fashion her language, can give speeches individually.

This argument is only valid for individual decision to obey a law or choose what to or what not to believe.
a norm is typically cultural. a moral is universal in interpretation. Individuals retain the liberty to either continue or discontinue the norms they are used to (can be due to literacy), be moral or immoral. Individuals dont fashion morals, God already did.

You missed the point. However, I am curious about claim about Joshua and Jericho. Since I don't remember Joshua doing all that requesting, and the people of Jericho doing what you said, I ask that you show me. In any case, my point stands. I see his actions as immoral. You don't. Which leads back situational ethics and individulaism in morality.

You're right, I should. Will you please show me the part in the Bible where " (Joshua) . . . request[ed] a peaceful passage, whereby nothing of theirs (people of Jericho) will be taken . . . [and] the residents of jericho . . . opt[ed] for war by refusing his peaceful appeal

just google Joshua Jericho or the walls of Jericho.

Like I said, it was too strict a reading on my part.

does this mean, "sorry for the uninformed assertions I (KAG) made about the David story"?



FYI: Israel were in a war time, living in the wilderness surrounded by enemies all over. Rebellion I insist is equatable to treason.
unless u have a better analysis.

mazaje:
your meaningless apologetics makes me want to vomit. . . .a son rebelling against his parents can be likened to treason eh?

bawomolo:
lol rebelling against a parent can be treason.

noetic - you sure say you no be christian talibani

Well considering the context in which that verse was taken, I stand by my definition.

What is rebellion? When defining rebellion have it mind that the children of isreal were in the wilderness living amongst several enemies.
of course it would be too much of me expecting atheists with a biased mindset towards the bible to be objective

KAG:
IT's true that science doesn't do proof. However, the different lines of evidence for the theory of evolution are open to anyone.

No, they aren't even close to being intelligent arguments. What's more, the arguments were answered in the links I provided. And evolution is accepted by more theists than atheists. Go figure.

that probably explains why u and others have been able to answer the pertinent questions about the origin and pioneer evolution of life.
until u (all ye atheists on nairaland) answer those questions, my definition of atheism as an irrational state of mind where the subject of ones disbelief cannot be defined or substantiated stands and one of its erratic products is the evolution lie.

why are "we" proud of him?

This is damn hilarious.

@ debosky and richlyblack.

Nice arguments from both sides. U guys made this rich.

dominique:
the chapter's is just calling for Allah's wrath on the enemies of Islam. though i've never used the chapter in solat (and i'm a huge fan of short surahs) cos the contents seem a little harsh, i feel we should recite it especially when offering Nofla prayers for countries who are being oppressed by the enemies of our Islam.

like which countries? and what does oppression in this context mean?