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manmustwac:
Well the Tsunami was real and 9 11 was real. The day when your God decides to reveal himself in the flesh i'll know he's real.

have u ever seen noetic before?

manmustwac:
So in other words u mean u can't answer the question. Besides i think according to her belief Olumba Olumba is their God and he's alive in the flesh in Calabar.

u must be daydreaming. How about the numerous evidences and postulations that myself and others have stated as our case for God`s existence.
ur (atheists) inability to define or substantiate the subject (JEHOVAH GOD) u dont believe in, is the irrationality in u.

good to know ur mum worships olumba olumba. but that u must know celestians dont do that.

littleb:
@Noetic

You dont need to be too worry about people fooling you, the one you are doing to yourself is enough. Just remove the color glasses in order to see things in thier natural color.

This same response had been dine and wine with in the past, including the most difficult questions that prophets left unanswered or answered because of thier hardened mind, including Jesus and Mohammad. Human being never get satisfied untill death come arround. Do you know thier response? "You are here with tricks and magics; simply propagandist".

The response may not solely useful to you, but I believe it would  still be read many people in the years to come, where it would make difference in what they here and what is written down in the Quran and Hadiths.


Your tone has clearly shown that if I unintelligently answerred your questions, you will never get satisfied. So, why do you think my response will be useful? However, with little or nothing, Intelligently, I will try.


    First, maybe because you angry at muslims, you coludnt structure your question properly. I think I could help you on this.
    The word, "blood thirsty" has no place in Islam.
   
    In Islam, you dont kill in the name of anything, you kill in the name of Allah.
    These can be in many faces, in some cases, it apply to the law of equality in punishment against one another. For example whoever killed wrongly should be killed. This is not in all cases as the killer may be forgiven instead.

    Secondly, you can kill during the war, this can be done in severals ways and which ever ways it come. Muslims should ensure they follow the proper guidance as stated by the prophet. There are a lot of misconception on this which have been highlighted and expanciated in this forum.  Head or tail, it is left for those who wanted to follow the right guidance.

 
    If you mean prophet Muhammad, this is very untrue. I need details. Thanks

   
    I think I have a story details very related to your questions. Moreover, there are several posts on this forum related to it as well. If your goes straight, you would have said the Conquere of Jerusalem by Muslims. See, Neotic, you will never get convinced about this political historical events bettween the three faiths (Jew, Christians and Muslims), if you only belong to one side. I my detail response for you give your detail, then I will know where you belong. Maybe we continue from there.

  Haba, snatch! NO.



    No such nature in Islam, and never found a verse cited such in the Quran or Hadith. Islam preaches against, even during war, that you shouldn't kill unjustly and not children and women who have not raise sword against you.

  Where and when?


   
    NO, terrorism is not an Islamic Agenda. Today, many things are wrongfully attached to Islam and muslims all over the world, that is why you see in my previous post as my questions are structured the way it is. Not only terror, what about the ff: extremists, fundamentalists, even in my local language "Esin o ko ku" and so on. Meanwhile, this is a complex situation for the present and the next generations to comprehend. Nevertheless, for whoever Allah guides, nobody can mislead such. As muslims who are ready to learn and clear out this complexity, one need 1.  A very detail knowledge about Islam, both Quran and Hadiths 2. Wisdom and pray for Allah's guidance always.



First, there is no evil in Islam. I have tasted and tested it in many faces. Now, you may be right, it is possible for one to be killed if he/she left a particular faith. This has a lot of complexities as well. Killing is not the utmost concern of any muslim community. In many cases leaving such a person and pray for him is better and more preferable in the sight of Allah than for him being dead as unbliever. This is not only applicable to Islam alone. However, in short, killing a convertee is strictly exceptional which should be handle carefully by any muslim community. Meanwhile, I have people in among my family members and friends that converted to christians, I have never fought them coz they converted not to talk of killing them. Very closely, my junior brother living and feeding under me. Moreover, in many community, killing is not even applicable.  e.g where your place and time of worship has not been affected.




This has been trashed several times on this forum. Just browse through the forum, there several details response. I will cite it if I have time to check.




   I never stated that. Even, I wish to see you probably you would weoclome me. Neither babs will never thought so.



If I may help you, clearly explain your tolerance level and your democaracy the way you understand it, maybe from bible, then we discuss further.





I don't blame you. You can never know the content of the case untill it is opened to you. Just continue calling it any name. He has the key and the owner of your heart. You can never comprehend His power. The rest clause have been answerred in the previuos questions.



I think you just need to redirect your question to moderator




Jihad is an arabic word, meaning struggle, it has level, our discussion here is a form of jihad, the highest level is killing the unblievers who are ready to kill you, commonly term HOLY WAR. It has mode and method as stated by Quran and Hadith. Whoever does JIHAD without the correct guidance as stated in the Quran and Hadith has no reward.



There is no such in Islam. Allah ordered to  call to Islam with knowledge and wisdom.

"Invite to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Revelation and the Qur'an) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided."

Generations to generations, many things are understood differently. That is they way you understand slaves, I think you will share the same view with my great grand fathers because my use to tell me that his when his own father and friends were young and they hear of slave, they ran away, thinking Amrican invaders are coming. Even some bible verses will not share your thinking. Slave in Islam means person you obey someone(ALLAH), you dont do things the way you like, he gave you manual to leave your life. For you to be accepted, you have to follow the manual strictly.

He is not a father because human being forget easily, nowadays, literal heavenly father has been deningly transformed GOD almighty to share part of human attribute.


The world will continue to be a terrible place because of your bad attitude, corruption, injustice and selfishness. Moreover, God will not change our condition until you and I change our bad attitude starting from this forum.

Undoubtedly, there are many complexity political wars going on around the globe involving Muslims and Islamic state. Admittedly, Muslims may be wrong in some circumstances. However, Islam does not preach their wrong doings. Islam preaches peace and unity. There can't peace without justice. We know our differences, we can't have the same religions, share the same view and opinion. Then, why fighting?
To a cursory observer, there is more to politically inclined wars than religion. There are lot on this, this is an assignment I have given myself  and starting from home, Nigeria. Truly the fighting's are not totally religious!

Thanks.

I am only bothering to reply cos u displayed positive discretion in answering, but shielded away from the main issues I raised.

Let me state here, that I have no problem with islam, neither do I consider myself an enemy of islam.
What I do however have a problem with is the many evil doctrines and inactions of islam in the name of allah. and the many deplorable and inhuman islamic inactions in the name of sharia in the 21st century, some of which reflects the questions i have been asking.

why must u kill in the name of allah? why must u kill at all outside human law in the 21st century? ur response does not reflect reality.

u didnt tell me why mohammed killed 700 jews in year 600?


why do attempt to use denial as a way of answering questions? I understand that it is acceptable in ur religion allows u to tell lies to defend allah.
It will however not stand here, cos I dont believe in allah.

did mohammed not marry his adopted son`s wife? so y d denial?

does sharia not advocate amputation of people for alleged crimes? is the zamfara example not a living testimonial?
is the numerous begeading of nigerians and others in saudi arabia and other islamic nations not an example?

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-927092.html
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-ml-saudi-beheadings,0,2394306.story
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20090089077
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7185532.stm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/25/world/main626196.shtml
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-818746.html
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-30343920071105
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926178/posts
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019661.php
http://news.webindia123.com/news/ar_showdetails.asp?id=711060538&cat=&n_date=20071106
http://muslimstoday./2007/11/05/saudi-arabia-amputates-thiefs-hand/
http://www.1worldcommunication.org/shariavictims.htm


u offered no meaningful explanation as to why people are killed after converting from islam, or should I skip that?

when did mohammed have sex with his 6 year old wife? who was the "allah" mohammeds father was worshipping?

Like i said, if at all u want to reply, pls do so objectively and evade the denial or lies tactics. an honest analysis on ur part can help redeem allah`s battered image.

littleb:
@ noetic
The informed animal! You need to retraced your path.

Now defend the cognate relationship between Eloi/Elohim and Allah. Maybe we see amongst the prophetic bible call God Allah.

Present your refrence historical book or cite the web add.

Now confirming your first accusation. Fools will not know where they belongs initially. "Atanpako ni juwe okankan ile funwon". Lets move ahead.

Simply confirmed by Jesus. Eloi, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabaktani".

what nonesense are u saying?

where in the bible or torah did a prophet call Jehovah God "allah".

Was allah not worshipped by mohammeds father? u re deluded.

babs787:
@Noetic

You can see that you are a dullard and further shows that you have not been reading your bible but being fed with lies by your pastors.

Your bible claimed that he was 17 and NOT THE QURAN. Olodo .
Learn your bible before discussing with Babs

Read again:\

Fine. I will take ur advice.

but i have a question for u, thou slave of allah.
how old did allah say ishmeal was in ur koran?

duduspace:
How can you know how to reply when you are totally confused? Do I need to paste everyone of your writings already on this thread? You are really one confused fellow.

please paste my writings on this thread before ur misinformed "criticism". How do they constitute an opinion?

Another piggy ranting. . . .

babs787:
Lady,thanks for coming to the rescue of my dullard friends. The point am making is to test how knowledgeable they are since they derive so much pleasure in showing their ignorance in islam section but forgot that there are issues in christianity which am very aware of with facts hence my reversion to islam. David and his cohorts have been asking 'intelligent questions' which my brothers and myself have been providing answers yet pretend as if same have not been provided. Though you didnt tell if he was crucified in Jerusalem or not and muddled up the exact time he was crucified because there are conflicting reports from the gospellers. I wouldnt want to go further cos all of us cannot be Muslims,Christians or whatever you believe in and the ideal is to respect each other. I have tasted Christianity,know one or two things about cults in the guise of society without being specific. I would want to stop since David and his friends are cowards but would continue if you,Lady want us to by replying this post and if ignored,I would put a stop as well cos it will continue to cause rancour. The ball is in your court. As for David,he is not knowledgeable to discuss and continue being evasive.

another senseless post from allah`s slave.

this debate will only attain a meaningful interactive state, if and only if u also answer questions posted to u about the demonic practices in islam.
will u?

huxley:
NO I can't, cuz I don't know. But where are you heading?

This is fast becoming a standard answer

Bobbyaf:
One of the problems I have with it is that I do not trust what a software has to say, especially if I had nothing to do with seeing how it was built in the first place. I can't take their word for it.

For me to find legitimacy with such a coding system I'd have to see a manual approach to the decoding even if it takes years to do it. Starting from Genesis right back to Malachi do the decoding manually and then see what comes up.

Why hasn't it yet occurred to the same Jews to verify whether or not Jesus was/is their Messiah?

Why hasn't it yet occurred to the Jews to verify that their Messiah is coming again in glory as Enoch predicted?

I quite agree with u though at least to large extent.

But I see it more from the point of view that the bible definitely contains both hidden and revealed messages for the past, present and future.
Like the Jews who wrote the code, anyone can choose to see "what" they want to see in "anything". That probably explains why they are least interested in finding out about Jesus messiahship.

There are biblical prophecies in the bible awaiting fulfilment, the codes is another thing on its own.

duduspace:
Why beleive in bible code and not "Moby [b]D[/b]ick" code? even the Yoruba oracle (opele) has some element of probability theory in it and might predict the future better than the bible. I remember watching a Nigerian soccer match in the past (In the old Ondo state) where a Professor of Yoruba correctly predicted the score line of the Nigeria vs Algeria match (en route to USA 94). You are blabbing rubbish my friend.

I dont even know how to reply u, cos it amazes me as to how u just open ur mouth to chat shit.

did i offer an opinion on the contents of d video?
I only wanted nairaland atheists to view the video and then we can discuss and debate our beliefs and lack of it.
isn't it stupid to criticise me (my opinion) when I haven't even expressed it?

mazaje:
noetic is living in a bubble of delusion. . . . yet he is quick to proclaim that he more intelligent than others. . . .

I dont recall ever calling myself intelligent, though I wouldn't deny my intelligence.

what I still find stupefying is the rationality or lack of it behind the atheism concept.

I consider ur inability along with ur fellow atheist, to explain the scope and rationality of atheism to be very very very unintelligent.

[quote author=ok.gerald link=topic=260964.msg3721129#msg3721129 date=1239575069]I still do not see any sense in believing in a god that was rammed to a cross ,flogged, dragged thru the mud. Allah in the Quran makes a lot of sense. All powerful and all merciful. Read the Quran and you will see that Allah in the Quran is powerful, merciful , the creator of u and i ,etc.[/quote]how can a blood thirsty idol be merciful?

@ littleb

I will reply u in due course later.

babs787:
@Bawomolo

I would appreciate it that way. They have been showing their ignorance in Islamic section thinking that they know their religion or Jesus they worship but few of them know the truth while the rest like Davidylan, Todak, No2atheism, Noetic are being brainwashed and rely on what the pastors tell them.

I am willing to discuss with four of them put together to expose the lies therein.

Another misguided ranting of a bloody slave of allah. u claimed the bible is corrupt, so y bother with its content?

ur plagiarised claimed that Christ did not die, so whose crucifixion are u really talking about? pls consult ur koran.

jackdaniel:
Silly you, you can predict the future with anything if you understand the pattern, haven't you heard of chaos theorem, neural networks, daft punk.study more and believe less. or believe when it's essential. stop wallowing in ignorance, , with the techniques used in that video i can find any silly messages even in the lord of the rings novel by tolkein, , "my people perish b'cos of lack of knowledge", even your bible say's that, olodo

when u open ur mouth like this, u cannot hide ur lack of intelligence.

[quote author=ok.gerald link=topic=244551.msg3720080#msg3720080 date=1239551733]U are a pig urself. Nairaland pig. Abdullah means servant or worshipper of God. Abdullah is used by arab christians because they call God Allah.[/quote]u are a misinformed animal . no biblical prophet ever called Jehovah God "allah". allah does not mean Jehovah God. allah is an idol mohammed father worshiped. ur allah is an idol with 3 daughters worshipped by arabians, before mohammed the paedophile was born.
do ur research, just google origin of allah or his history.

u deluded goat of the blood thirsty allah, i ask u in ur revealed foolishness: if mohammed`s father is abdallah, who was the allah he was serving?

mazaje:
thou liar. . .as toneyb has said its always good lying for jesus eh? the footnotes of the NIV says that they did not include those verses because they were not found in some of the early manuscripts available not because they could not translate it thou lair. . . .that shows that the bible like every other work of man has been edited, interpolated, re-written and changed a lot of times. . . . . .

thou lying ignoramus. , , . . , u said it urself, they couldnt find it in "some". how many years was between KJV first translation and the NIV translation.
thou hypocrite. . . .

@poster

is dat ikeja?

babs787:
@Noetic, Davidylan, Todak, No2atheism


Please do the three days and three nights calculation for me. Jesus died on Friday but resurrected on Sunday morning.

When you are able to do that, we would go into the lies of his dying for your sin.

Note: would not entertain any response from any body except these above mentioned people. As we proceed, I will create threads strictly for the people mentioned above.

Welcome to my world

what stops u from doing the counting ur self?. . . .thou hell bound servant of allah.

Horus:
[b]Question for Christians:[/b]If  he died for your sin ,why Christians are still sinners? 

attention seeking hypocrite.

babs787:
Olodo

thou nefarious servant of the bloody allah. . . y are thou as ignorant as the blood thirsty servant of allah mohammed?

The authors of KJV were able to interpret the said verses based on the earlier transcripts they had, the other translators couldnt.
whats the big deal in this? how does this change the reality about the eternal truth the bible contains?

manmustwac:
Can u pls provide solid evidence to prove that your pacticular God exists in the flesh and not in your imagination?

ask ur mum. she is in a better position to tell.

@ blabs

which of my questions did u answer?

I am allergic to bullshit, cant u answer questions meaningfully, or do u have to go n consult ur alfa?

davidylan:
noetic, ignore mazaje . . . he is simply an unintelligent troll.

Blabs, we are ready to deal with your claims on the bible as soon as you are ready to deal with the case of mohammad and the vanishing temple in Jerusalem. when you are ready pls let me know.

you must be dreaming david, if u ever expect blabs to answer this question.  

a question allah or the paedophile mohammed cannot answer, how then can poor blabs help u?

babs787:
@Noetic, Davidylan

I know both of you or four of you put together would not be able to stand BABS and explain the incosistency in your BIBLE

What is Ishmael age when sent away?
Do we agree to 17?

of course not. He was a baby, who was crying in the wilderness when there was no food or water.

why did allah lie to u that ishmael was 17. . .allah must be a lying goat

babs787:
Where was Jesus crucified?

In Jerusalem or Outside?

why not ask allah. . . . . .the idol god that has 3 daughters who was worshipped by mohammeds father

mazaje:
i can see mud flying all around ,  

nobody really knows what the contents of original manuscripts of the bible really are, all what is available today are copies, of copies , of copies, of copies, which are all filled with translation errors, outright interpolations and mistakes. . .  the NIV says in their footnote that all the verses are missing in their own version because quite a number of the early manuscripts do not have those verses you are talking about that's was they did not include them in their own translation. . . . .but that does not mean that the koran is not also a forgery. . . . .

@
davidylan is this not the same thing you are doing to the moslems? , you really do not like the taste of your own medicine i have noticed.

what exactly are u saying? atheism is not an excuse for being unintelligent u know.

babs787:
If the bible is complete, where are these verses in Revised Standard Version, Good News Bible, New International Bible, Living Bible Versions and other bibles apart from KJV

a.Mathew 17 v 21

(b) mark 11 v 26

(c) acts 8 v 37  

(d) Mathew 17 v 21

(e) Mathew 21 v 44

(f) Mathew 23 v 14 etc

post what each of the versions says concerning the verses. then we can help u.

davidylan:
Read your quran first!
You read the bible way too much.

how can u expect him to read the koran? he knows allah told a lot of lies in there.

babs787:
What was Ishmael age when he was sent away with her mother?

This is hilarious. Ishmael was a baby, kid or whatever.

why did allah omit it from ur koran?  

muhsin:
Allah ya saka da alkhari, amin.

meaning?

how does this answer any of my questions?

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=260194.msg3717508#msg3717508 date=1239456283]What is the will of God?[/quote]This is God`s divine purpose for man, broken down to His plan for every individual which He states in Jer 29:11 to be a good plan.

When u become a born-again Christian, it is pertinent u dont attempt to drag God along with ur plans and ambitions, but to allow Him to lead the way.

Ask Him of what the future holds, He is faithful enough to show you. that way u dont spend endless time praying over nothing, cos u know where the Father is taking u. I m speaking out of experience.