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Horus:
Why are judging people like that?
Are you without a sins?
Why do you see mistakes in everyone?
Who are you to judge people?,God?

what are u talking about?

mazaje:
i don't believe in darwin, but you have also FAILED to show that there is a god that holds the universe all you have are the unproven and ridiculous words and ideas of ancient jews who thought that the sun revolves around the earth to rely on. . . .

I dont understand what u mean by unproven and ridiculous, maybe u can shed more light on that.

The bible has forever stated its case. God made the heavens, earth and all that is in it.
its up to u not to believe or take that as a fact, but ur disbelief which is a function of ignorance cannot change, dispute or repudiate biblical truths.

I am beginning to think that u probably own shares in youtube

Horus:
Are you considering yourself a human with no sins?

when did u loose the ability to understand simple english? please read my post again.

though u failed to give satisfactory answers to my questions, by acting very typically illiterate. Answering a question with a question.
I will however answer u cos blabs adopted ur questions.

1. what is the cognates relation between olu/oluwa(yoruba), god, lord and God semantically.

oluwa means LORD.
god refers to an idol, like the one mohammed's father abd-allah was worshipping. who had a wife called allat and three daughters.
LORD, there are many lords who preside over territories or households. But I know of the LORD of lords called JESUS.
GOD is JEHOVAH, HE is not the same person as "allah".

2. Anlyse the words "LAILAHI ILA ALAH"

there is no other "god" except "allah"
considering that there were 360 rivals of allah in mecca at the time of mohammed's birth, this phrase was neccesary to displace the sun and moon gods amongst others. Congrats, allah is now the only god in saudi arabia. but the only annoying thing is that he asked u to conquer the rest of the world with violence. that's very bad of mr allah.

3. how would you differentiate god from God if not written down in english.

Simply by reference. I know "sango" "obatala" "oya" "budha" "allah" are not the GOD I serve.
Jehovah GOD is not the same as "allah" Arabs might use the idolic name of allah to refer to Jehovah, but by reference, they are referring to someone else.

4. why there is no other translation for ELOI/ELOHIM from the bible original language up till now

because ELOHIM best captures the plurality of GOD, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
why refer to the bible? u said t'was corrupt.

5. why this word ALLAH in Arabic bible?[/size]

check answer 3

babs787:
@Noetic


He didnt worship Allah but[b] idol.[/b]

but since his name was abd-allah, which means servant of allah.
so he was serving an idol, his son (mohammed) came to uplift this idol too. so from ur answer i can deduce that father and son served the same idol called "allah" now i know better.

Its a lie. Its one of the goddess you people ignorantly called daughters of Allah
Read

On daughters of Allah:

Quran 53 v 19: Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,

Quran 53 v 20: And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

Quran 53 v 21: What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

Quran 53 v 22: Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

Quran 53 v 23: T[b]hese are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever).[/b] They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
So, over to you:

nope. she is not his daughter, she is the wife. go get ur facts straight. u are getting civil this days, please keep it up

huxley:
In fact, I have just found a link here , but I initially got the news from my close friend whose brother is married to the Pastors daughter.

so u weren't lying afterall, but does that mean u aren't a liar?

huxley:
OK, let's explore the design option for a minute by considering the following questions:

1)  If it is design that accounts for the diversity of lifeforms on the planet, what or who is the designer?

2)  If there is indeed a designer, then this desiger has to be at least as complex as the things he designed.  In the case who designed the complex designer?

3) If design accounts for complexity, why to we find complexity in a hierarchical structure, from the simple about 500 million years ago to the complex over recent epochs?

4)  Why would a designer design lifeforms so that 99.99% of all life that has ever lived is now extinct?

5)  Why would a designer design whales with legs?  Of what use are legs to a whale?

6)  How many different types of diseases of the eye exists?

I knew u were either going to resort to ur usual "I dont know" or put bobbyaf on the defence. This is not unamusing any more.

ur evolution beliefs and postulations has never withstood any rigorous critical analysis and debate either in the outside world or on nairaland.
tens of thread have been opened, which u eventually ran away from. It beats me how u proclaim intelligence but yet cannot defend ur beliefs (evolution).

Darwin guessed and he guessed wrongly. his guess was based on the simple assumption that there cannot be a GOD who holds the universe.
thats the only explanation for all your rantings.

huxley:
Well, I have not got a link. But would you believe it if you saw a link? My info comes from source close to the family of the pastor, ie, a close friend of mine is married into the family.

the link would at least have established that this incident happened, but as it seems now, its obvious you have just been caught in one of ur numerous LIES u keep brandishing around against xtianity.

atheism is not an excuse for lack of morality. LYING is symbolic to moral bankruptcy.

huxley:
Why do deluded Christian continue believing Jesus was killed about 2000 years ago when the bible clearly says it happen at the creation of the world?

what does the foundation/creation of the world mean? where u there? was it a PHYSICAL experience?

Jesus was crucified 2000 years ago, as known and willed by the father at the FOUNDATION/CREATION of the world.

huxley:
You can start by looking at this thread and answering the question as to when Jesus was crucified.

very typical response from huxley, whenever any of his numerous falsehood, fallacies and misinformative postulations are torn apart.

Horus:
Why do you notice the small piece of dust that is in Huxley's eye, but you don't see the big piece of wood that is in your own eye? 

I have been cutting the wood in my face. what are u doing to logs of forest wood hanging on u?

huxley:
Jesus Mythicist Theory hold the view that there never was a flesh-and-blood human, borned of a woman, who walked the earth about 2000 years ago. Contrarily, Jesus was a mythical-spiritual entity who lived in the spirit world and performed all his deeds and misdeeds in the spirit world without ever setting foot on the earth. This view is amply supported by the writings of the early Christians by reading the works of Paul who wrote his words several decades before the literalist invested a flesh&blood Jesus whose life they document in the gospel.

there are several theories and many more will be invented before HIS eventual return.
but what exactly is your theory, cos u never seem to have an opinion but propagate anything anti-christ found on google and youtube.

Dont u think it amounts to lack of intelligence not to have an opinion on a subject u keep making wrong postulations about? Who is Jehovah GOD? what is HIS ontology?

The other factors that lend credence to JMT are:

1) Paul mentions almost nothings about the flesh&blood Jesus. Nothing about where he was born, lived, his parents, siblings, occupation, none of the birth and crucufixion narratives, etc.

Atheism is not an excuse for lies, unintelligence and dishonesty.

This was what paul said in 1 corth 15:6

6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.

500 saw the risen Jesus. for u to see a risen man, wouldnt u have seen HIM when he was alive?
they saw HIM risen, a known dead man.

2) There are no extra-biblical documents about an earthly Jesus contemporaneous with his life on earth.

there are several. so also are several others fabricated to dispute HIS existence.
use your googe tool, like u do best.

3) Before the gospels gained withspread circulation many Christian Church fathers and bishops appear to lack knowledge of the life of an earthly Jesus.

u have always cliamed ur atheist beliefs are products of evidence and facts.
please provide ur evidences to butress this falsehood?

4) The mythical Jesus created by the gospel writers have essentially copied narratives from the Old Testament and cast Jesus as the main star in their modelling of OT history.
etc, etc.

another off the mark statement. first u claim the entire bible is false, now u claim the old was based on the new.
sounds like a confused ignoramus to me.
Any facts or evidences to butress ur misinformation?

It will not be long before the scam perpertrated by the Christian establishment, which dates back 2000 years, is widely known, as if their credibility is not already rock bottom.

it will not be long before u face the throne of judgement to give account of ur misdeeds.

huxley:
A leading evangelical pastor in Cameroon, founder on many pentacostal churches in Cameroon and US, has died several days into a fasting marathon.  It is said that the pastor embarked on a 40+ days fasting ordeal to not only emulate his God but also to better his God's record. Unfortunately, his god was not happy with such a rude challenge from an upstart contender and snuffed the life out of him.

How funny ironic!

any links to butress this claim.

atheism is no excuse for dishonesty .

duduspace:
Interesting felifeli, what can I say? I do wonder how come such an awe inspiring event did not get much publicity, you possibly should write a book about this and you should be inspired to find out how your miraculous/unexplainable recovery came to be rather than coming to (what I consider to be an hasty conclusion that it was due to the prayers offered on your behalf).

I say this because of the statement in bold, in which you stated that friends and family prayed "all over the world" as this is too wide a sample space to draw any definite conclusions, I'm sure you would prefer to take a single tablet of panadol to cure an headache than to peel the bark from all the trees in the forest to make a concoction that would cure you?

Also, I must point out that even if what you have said is true, there are still a lot of possible explanations as people have been misdiagnosed in the past (yes, mistakes do occur even in the developed world and I knw you are well aware of that with your anti-british tirades on the forum)

Anyways congrats on getting through such an harrowing period, please do remember to go for regular check ups and don't fall into the trap which some people do who claim to be healed and refuse their medications which subsequently leads to further complications.

in other words, he got healed but not through the prayres offered!!!!

having a pre-conceived opinion that prayer doesnt work, denies you the ability to objectively analyse a case even in the face of evidence.
A testimony was shared, the subject then appeared to verify this and all u have to say is . . . . .
atheism is really intreasting.

mazaje:
go ask the jews who yahweh is. . . stop asking me. . .jehovan god is am imaginary deity created by the ancient jews.

so why discuss who u dont know. , . .  .isnt that stupid.

you see the problem with you is that you are a deluded goon. . . you are all over the islamic thread quoting verses where allah, told his followers to attack and kill people during WAR time. . .yet you turn around and say that he is a blood thirsty god. . . what kind of killing has allah advocated that your own god has not advocated? you say that your god is a merciful and just god but we have him telling people to burn down an entire town(including innocent women and children) as burnt offering to him just because some of the people living in that town enticed some of his chosen men to worship other gods. . . why not tell his men to preach to the other people about him? why command his "chosen people" to burn to death ALL the inhabitants of the town including women and innocent children and animals that do not know anything and have nothing to do with it, because some of the people the probably didn't know enticed his "chosen men" to worship other gods apart from him?


you said i should stop lying and show you were the biblegod accepted sacrifice, now that i have showed you, you are now dancing around trying to justify it with meaningless excuses. . .i am very sure you never new such passages existed in the bible if you did you will not shout and tell me to show you. . . .what was the provocation? because the people worshipped other gods. . .  is that a provocation? why are christians not killing moslems, hindus, shirks, buddist, taoist and other people that worship other gods and takinbgaway their women and possessions?. . . you are a complete idiot. . . .i thought the biblegod was an all powerful being? why didn't he create a land full of milk and honey for the jews? why did he have to tell the jews  to go kill off and drive out all the cannanites, jebusite, amalekites, etc from their lands? he even advocated the rape of their defenceless women, he also accepted some of their virgins as sacrifice? what kind of nonsense and incompetent deity is this?

shut up and be quite thou ridiculous slowpoke . . . .where have i ever said that the biblical israel should not defend itself? where they defending them selves? were they not attacking and killing people under the diving commandment of their incompetent deity who could not provide a land for them but told them to go and kill off others and steal their land women and animals? idiot. . . .

same ranting from the same delusional slowpoke.  

were the 32 virgins sacrificed? infact, what is a sacrifice?
except for the covenant of jephtah, when has God ever received a human sacrifice?
is human sacrifice in any form relevant to latter day christianity?

when i made reference to war time and peace time, I wrongly assumed u were sane   enough to make certain deductions, implying that war is war.
I keep asking u what does competence mean? and how can u measure a person's competence without knowing the person or his works?

asking mazaje a goat-like creature this questions is like attempting to ddraw water from a rock. goat-like slowpoke.

mazaje:
god and ask the jews, romans and greeks that question. . .why are you asking me? they created the deity you worship not me. . .you did not ask me any question all you did was spew ridiculous nonsense. . .

I am asking u because u keep ranting like a deluded goat-like god forsaken slowpoke about a subject (GOD) u know nothing about.
WHO IS JEHOVAH GOD? WHAT IS HIS ONTOLOGY?

are you completely stupid? do you read your bible at all?  ok let me show you where your deity asked people to sacrifice humans unto him. .


have you forgotten that the same god requested virgins to be given unto him? did he make a covenant with the virgins? if you read Numbers 31:18-40 you will see that your merciful and just god also ordered 32,000 female virgins to be taken as war plunder (half to go to the soldiers and half to the people) and 32 of them to be for himself .


bla bla bla. . shut up and be quite. . .

I should be the one asking u, are u completely STUPID?

when u dont know the meaning of a covenant, how can u know the difference between a peace time and a war time?
are military casualties during war a crime? was this killings done during peace time? is it applicable to both ancient and later day Christianity?

you keep ranting like a loosed dog, yet have no understanding of the subject. Was any of these killings or sacrifices done as a commandment in a peace time? and when it was done in a war time, was it devoid of a corresponding provocation?

looking at the porousity of ur brain, it is not hard to imagine that u actually expected the biblical israel not to carry the sword and defend itself.
why am i even debating with u? when u cant sanely explain what u believe/dont believe in. ur case is medically called MADNESS.

what do u expect?
mohammed would have said the same were he to be alive.
if he could elevate "allah" from a minor idol to revered "god", why do u tink he cannot lie about jerusalem`s perceived importance to a fictional islam?

Happy birthday. , . . .all the very best.

@mazaje.

why did u completely avoid the questions I asked? was it because it revealed the extent of your insanity? or irrationality?
how can u discuss and debate what u dont know? what would u tell people discussing evolution, when they dont even have a clue as the definition of the concept of evolution, not to talk of its inherent divergent views? yea u are right, they would be called ILLITERATE IDIOTS.I hate to say it, but thats what u are. an ILLITERATE IDIOT, who is debating Jehovah God, but has no understanding of who HE is.

Who is Jehovah GOD? what is HIS ontology? until u answer this pertinent questions, u re just an attention seeking, deluded, goat-like, ignorant MALADROIT.

mazaje:
I have told you several times that you are the most ridiculous and deluded goon on nairaland. . . do i always have to be the one to show you what is in your "holy" bible? you asked me on the other thread to show you where the biblegod confessed his evil did which i did. . now let me show you. . .take your bible open to the book of judges chapter 11, read from verse 29-40.

Jephthah sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering to the biblegod because he believe that the bible god gave him victory in a misguided war. . .if you read Numbers 31:18-40 you will see that your merciful and just god also ordered 32,000 female virgins to be taken as war plunder (half to go to the soldiers and half to the people) and 32 of them to be for himself .

the rest of your entries are not even worth my time. . . deluded goat. . .

do u know the meaning of a covenant?
did GOD request his daughter from him? has HE ever requested and received such a sacrifice before and after Jephthah?

your answers reflect ur unobjectivity, ignorance, perceivable FOOLISHNESS and delusion.
GOD NEVER requested such of him, he promised and so it was up to him to fulfil his promise. . . . . . .thou goat-like creature, now answer my questions.

mazaje:
i at least have my own ideas and i am able to think for my self, you on the other hand depend on the fantasies, imaginations and ideas of ancient jews, greeks and romans who believe that you intelligence is not even better than their dogs, these fantasies and imaginations were inculcated into your brain since childhood and it has now become "reality" to you . . .do you know that if your tribe was living anywhere close to the ancient jews during the time of moses of joshua your tribe will be killed or enslaved and your female relatives will be sacrificed as virgins unto yahweh. . .keep on believing the imaginations and fantasies of ancient jews, romans and greeks. . .

I have no problem with your rantings that reflect ur lack of education, but what i do have a problem with is the NEMEROUS LIES and FALSEHOOD u have developed the habit of spreading on this forum.

where in the bible were female beings or humans sacrificed to GOD?
you are pathetic LIAR.

i read the bible and all i read about was an imaginary[b] incompetent [/b]deity displaying his folly and utmost incompetence all the time. . .

what does incompetence mean? how/what is the standard for competence measured?

u must at least demonstrate an understanding of the subject (GOD) whose competence/incompetence is to be measured or debated.
Who is Jehovah God? what is HIS ontology?

who is satan? satan like you incompetent deity exist only in your deluded mind and imaginations. . .

sometimes u use words whose meanings u dont know.

u dont know who GOD is? u dont know His ontology? u dont HIS truth and yet u claim that those who know are deluded and being imaginative.
ur analyses fits the dictionary definition of an ignorant idiot, who thrives in superstitions. but the unfortunate reality here is that u also lack a thinking cap.

yar'adua despite all his incompetence is a better executive than the imaginary deity you read about in your bible. . . if you want to know about who jehovah is go asks the jews that created him in their own image. . . .they will give you a satisfactory answer. . .

at least u know who yaradua is, so u can form an opinion based on what u know about him. but for u to form an opinion on GOD, whose ontolgy u dont know, me thinks thats the complete definition of lunacy and the height of ignorance, delusion and illiteracy. debating an unknown is like a mad man punching the air on the streets of lagos.

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mazaje:
shut up and be quite. . . goons like you are not even educated talk less of trying to "educate" other. your incompetent deity said things and promised to do things that never happened deal with it and stop talking about "educating" others because you are the one that needs education. . . .deluded goon. . .

it beats me how an irrational goon can delusively open his mouth and pass an opinion. especially when it is uninformed, illiterate and a reflection of his desperate attempt to cover for his lack of ideology or convictions.

whats the basis of ur statement of calling God incompetent? i am assuming u used ur brain before u said that.

who is to measure His competence? you? did satan bite u?

I can say yaradua is incompetent based on the fact that i know him and can reflect on his policies. i also know his ontology.
since according to u God is "incompetent" u must surely know HIM. so who is Jehovah God and what is His ontology?

mukina2:
Keyremotes has a point.

i talk very fast and used to stammer badly.

I learnt how to control it,If i want to say a word and i notice i am stuck, i stop and i start again slowly, its hard to do and i end up in tears but it worked. now i do not stammer when i talk though i  talk  very fast, i only stammer when am angry

no wonder!!!

what facts do u need? just google "allat" and "origin of allah" and "daughters of allah".

educating mazaje is like drawing water with a basket. u can draw water but the basket will never retain it.
it will forever continue to leak.

babs787:
What questions have I not answered and how many times have you pretended not to have seen response despite repetition?

the day u start answering my questions, rain will start falling in the desert.

ElRazur:
Yes. I am saying in my experience, people who screams racism in the UK are mostly people who are unable to achieve their goals in life and have resulted to blaming others.

How am I uninformed? Discrimination is illegal in the UK, how much clearly stated do you want it? These companies you mentioned are even less likely to be racist! You know why? They are in business to make money and as such will employ the best people suited for the job. In which case, it could be black or white.
That you will find, defeat your argument.

what was my argument again? i hate to say u are ignorantly deluded.
i dont recall making this thread a white versus black issue.

all i said was humans sit at the desk representing this institutions. these humans may/may not be racist or discriminative.
racism/tribalism/discrimination is an human inability to see beyond his/her nose. no comapny makes this its official policy, uninformed individuals who i see as wicked postulate this inhibiting inactions.
what has that got to do with profit making or white versus black? please be objective.

Coups, calling for breakaway states etc are more or less characteristics of a developing nation.

no insults intended, but i cant make sense of most of ur postulations.

the irish republicans whose sympathisers pick up arms in the UK, are they a reflection of the developing nation? is the UK a developing nation?

Yes, while some of these may be of tribal sentiments, the ultimate goal is for control of resources. What do you think the militants in the Niger Delta are fighting for? It is all about controlling resources, even though they claim it is for the good of the people.
Tribalism in Nigeria is a ruse for other things, that is not to say in itself isn't a problem!

whats the basis of ur assertion?
did tribalism play a major part in the 1966 coup, biafra civil war and subsequent secessionist movements or not? true or false.
is tribalism a factor in nigeria`s politics true or false?
is tribalism nihilant in nigeria? i honestly dont get any of ur points.

I do not claim to know everything, and unlike you, I actually try to engage and explain things.

when people get unobjective, they display symptoms associated with retards.

how did i claim to know everything? I expressed an opinion and u are attempting to redefine it, by casting an aspersion on my opinion.
fine.

[/quote]Yes we can classify every negative human behaviour as wickedness, but perhaps understanding the reasons, the how, when why and how it happens may be better than just throwing a blanket of "Wickedness" on it.
[quote]

uhmn. why is common sense such a big deal?

did u read my original post at all?

babs787:
@Noetic

Yes he did that and was exposed further from lifting response form his website:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-256685.32.html

and so what?

how many times have u ever answered my question?

ElRazur:
Yes I guess one can argue that personal experience is what one learn from, but it is probably not always true as an indicator of the wider picture.

I try to believe there are systems set up in the UK here to hold people back, but in all my experience, I am starting to think it is probably a ruse for those who have not achieved what they wanted, or reach their goals hence the blame on the "faceless system"

I can assume from ur previous post that this opinion is based on ur personal experience, right?

In the UK, consideration are given to ethnics group in certain jobs. People in the UK will tell you how much uproar that have caused with the white people here. For example if two people both have the same qualifications and attributes, but one is black and the other is white, the government issue a guidelines that actually encourages the black man to be picked over the white man. For me, that goes against everything you mentioned about how racist the UK is.

ur postulations are very uninformed.
Do these regulations have any impact or reflection on the private corporations like AIG, HSBC, VIRGIN, SKY or JC Decaux? u fail to see it from the overall picture, where a boss is a boss, and recruitment decisions are his and only his to be made.

u fouled woefully there.

Looking at it from Nigeria's view. I personally believe the issue of segmentation [i.e tribalism and whatnot] is more or less a ruse and the real problem is the struggle for a share of revenues/benefits of one kind of the other. This is evident by the number of states we have and the constant cries of some other minorities to create more.

well said but very wrong.

but what was the underlying cause of the first coup in 1966?
what was the underlying reason for the Biafra war?
whats the basis of the agitation for MASSOB and becomerich`s benin republic? Are all these not products of tribal sentiments?

I think u have a very minimal understanding of the subject matter.

Also the[b] problem[/b] is more common in our own country due to low levels of education amongst our people.

I thought u said tribalism was no problem?

Over all, it is a well known human trait that [b]we feel comfortable with our own kind. [/b]This is not always a good attributes to display in my opinion.

I never implied that in my original post and if this ur opinion, it is very unfortunate.
my take is whatever the definition of the division, be it racism, tribalism or any sort of discrimination, it is human wickedness and inability to see beyond one`s nose.

Kobojunkie:
I believe it is simply that many can not stand opposing views of any kind. This is not just on nairaland and it is certainly a part of the reason why the people living in Nigeria today can not seem to agree that it is time to change things. You go out to any gathering where you have Nigerians and try to do the same, you will note it almost immediately.

considering that ego is always a factor with the average nigerian, home or abroad, u have made no point.

what makes u think those at home are not dying for change? how they have been going about is another issue entirely.
but its not about right or wrong like u always tend to postulate, its more about objective revolution where everyone is carried along.


why should they listen to u, when u readily remind them of their limitations (at being at home) and lack of exposure?

babs787:
@Noetic

You are still being evasive. You didnt answer the question

Go to Gideon bible and look at the page where it was translated to Arabic
Why do we have the word in Arabic bible?
Why do Northern christians call Him Allah?

Did Muslims put the word in your bible?

what happened to the eyes of ur brain?

didnt u see this

That is because of the mohammed islamic deception. until i researched the true origin of allah, I also thought that he/it was the bible GOD.
but on further analyses I realised it was a fraud and an elevation of one of the 360 gods of arabia.

now u answer my questions objectively

who was the allah that mohammed`s father worshipped?
who is allah`s wife called "allat"?
who are their three children?, how come allah had sex and had children?
how does all this connect to mohammeds allah? is mohammed a fraud?

ElRazur:
I think a few people's action should not let us lose sight of the good work done by the majority.

As for UK, I don't think the people are as racist like your post suggested. I suppose it all boils down to personal experience.

of course u have a point. but are personal experiences not the yardstick for looking beyond ones noses?

and i see racism beyond the verbal pose, I see it from a corporate point of view that has led to countless limitations against the black or minority person.
While I am pissed at that, my post suggests that I see it (racism/tribalism) more from the human point of view. yoruba vs hausa vs ibo in nigeria, as seen on nairaland and the prevailing underdevelopment in the country, is an evidence that racism/tribalism/discrimination is an ugly human habit, that can be avoided.