huxley:

I have not got good working definition of what I mean by "good person" now, but I think we both could arrive at it.  so just bear with me.

Is goodness equals sinlessness?  Is is possible for one to be sinful and yet good?


Can one be evil and also sinless?

how do we arrive at an acceptable concept of sin that would lead to goodness?
A christian sins against GOD. who does an atheist sin against?

Pastor AIO:

A number of things . . .
First, the title of this thread is 'What is the Difference between a Christian and a Pharisee?'. Not 'What is the Main Purpose of Jesus Coming?'. So I have not refused to identify anything. To make a refusal one must first hear a request. If you are making a request I think I can oblige you and yet satisfy the topic of this thread, but first let me answer a couple of other things you've said.

Second, You need to show me where pharisees 'condemned those who are unrighteous, full of sin and not of God'. If that was a part of Pharisee doctrine then can you please show me where they said that. Yes they wanted to preserve Jewish culture and not mix with the Greeks and adopt greek customs, but that is not a condemnation of Greeks. Love your neighbour as your self is in the Jewish Torah and the Pharisees upheld that. They are the ones who first articulated the Shema as the most important law: Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all your strength and all your might.

Thirdly you have not showed me one place where Christian doctrine differed from Pharisee doctrine. Perhaps first you need to find out what the doctrines of the Pharisees were.

u postulated that Jesus was not different from the Pharisees, thats my bone of contention.

I ask u what was the major difference and bone of contention (apart from the status of Jesus) between Jesus and the Pharisees?

tudor:

@ no-slowpoke-etic . The god i dnt believe is d one u claim to represent and worship, Dude i cnt believe you! U ask me 4 any intelligent reason to disbelieve imaculate conception,sinless life & ressurection? U've just showed your fish-like brain in debating and asking questionr. Tell me,any intelligent reason to believe dan the writings of four blokes who say they re disciples and cudn't even get their stories straight abt their 'beloveth' master's last word?for all we knw dey made it up.and super-goats lyk u swallow it hook line an sinker! SELF-RIGHTEOUS ASS!

what exactly are u saying? I am allergic to rantings.

mazaje:

idiot shut up and be quite. . .do you know anything or can you think for yourself? what do you know apart from copying and pasting the apologies of others that you did not even bother to read and check if it agrees with what is written in the bible. . . .  the guy asked you a very simple question instead of answering your are insulting him. . . let me ask you two simple question this time make sure you read the apologies that you are going to copy and paste to make sure that they agree with what is written in the bible so that you don't make a fool of yourself like you did on the other thread. . .

Thou friend of a goat . . . .did a dog bite u? so y are u so worked up?
your friend was asking a senseless question like u are fond of, it seems to me like u are both from the same place, where ignorant and unintelligent folks are bred.

CAN U PLEASE SHOW ONE EXAMPLE WHERE I HAVE USED GOOGLE TO PLAGIARISE? thou ignorant atheist. , . full of bullshit.

1. the bible says that jesus will come, die and be raised on the 3rd day according to the scriptures, i want to know which scripture that is. . .because there is no such thing in the old testament. . . .

Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression [a] and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken.

[b]9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes [c] his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.


satisfied?

2. according to Mt 12:40, christ will be buried for three nights, but he died on a Friday and by Sunday the tomb was empty. between friday and sunday, there are just two nights, not three so how did the writer get it so wrong. . . .by the way you are still yet to tell me where jesus first appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead. . . .was it in jerusalem or galilee. . .?  

He died and rose up on the third day. what's ur problem or question?. . . . . thou beclouded atheist!!!

huxley:


Of course, he was talking to me, idiot.

who is the real idiot here?

tudor:

@noetic- you are a BLOODY slowpoke! Even if i dnt believe in god it doesn't mean i cnt ask questions. ''Irrational insanity best describes atheistic postulations''.dude cmon!wat wuld u call a belief dat sum guy was immaculately conceivd,or a guy rose 4rm d dead,or d belief dat your pastor (a fraudster)makes miracles. Dats classic medical stupidity.Afterall xtians lyk u go around d world preaching d gospel,we have a right to answers. As 4 ur answer,it shows your stupidity and gullibility,i'm sure a self righteous ass lyk u wuld claim to have d holy spirit.why dnt u ask him heh?

Again u display ur legendary irrationality and inability to make a meaningful postulation, this is very goat-like

Who is the God u dont believe in?
what/who is the Holy Spirit?
Any intelligent reason to disbelieve HIS "immaculate conception" sinless life, death and resurrection?

I wont be surprised if you have none or cannot answer this questions, cos its obvious from ur posts that there are lots of similarities between u and a goat . Though I sincerely dont know any differences between u two.

ur (u and the goat ) similarities however include, irrationality, inability to talk or make sense, ability to chat bullshit and legendary dullness.

He has been judged and a verdict has been passed. Eternity is different from the time on the planet here.

Its good satan is satan, that way God`s children are strengthened.

londonbwoi:

I dont know why you are complaining that his family are abroad. They are spreading the gospel around the world. And it is not only his family that are abroad u kno. By the way i attend Christembassy London and on of Pastor Anita's assistants told my mum that it wasnt easy for Pastor Anita when she came to establish CE in the UK, she actually didnt even have a car at first, can you imagine Pastor Anita getting on a bus with two children. But people are complaining now that she drives a BMW X5

shut up. . . .thou SHAMELESS APOLOGETIC

whats wrong with boarding a bus? are those who board buses with three heads?

is pastoring not about service? must ur pastor have a car? and at whose expense? is anita too big to board a bus?
get lost with ur materialistic gospel !!!

@ AIO

To some extent u have a point but have refused to identify the main purpose of Jesus coming.

Jesus expects us to be "holier" than the pharasee`s like He was. but the difference is that while the pharasee condemned those who are unrighteous, full of sin and not of God, He commanded us to love them.

so in reality Christianity is holiness, humility, love kindness and all the other goodies the Father teached about.

manmustwac:

You guys no know wetin dey happen. Each member of the church congregation is expected to buy at least 5 copies of ROR to give to freinds and family or leave on a desk in hospital or thier office for the public to take. I myself have even been given a free copy twice. Once on a bus in Woolwich and once when i got off the ferry in Norh Woowich which is near one of their branches.

how come it did not impact ur life?

@ todak

y did u bother? just leave the slave to his misery.
all he had to do was objectively read the disputed verses.

bilms:

from ur answers,

it shows u dont no the bible enough.


Well, since u are un able to expalin the errors in ur own book, then stop spending time on creating unnecessary arguement here and instead go learn abt ur bible.
cheers

y not go to ur own koran . . . . .deluded slave of allah.

do u want him to get killed?

banom:

You sound very funny to me, For 8yrs in power, Obasanjo an obvious devilish and occultic man was in a big secrete and public romance with your CRIMINAL PSTOR ADEBOYE.

i have no evidence to the contrary, but ur deductions reflect a lack of reasoning capacity and unintelligence.

can i also assume that since u share the same opinion with mukina and blabs, that u are correspondingly a maladroit, senseless apologist and an uninformed bigot of allah who abuses simple privileges (mukina) and a paedophile propagator (blabs)?

i dont tink u are any of these things cos i have no evidence. so also is Adeboye exonerated.

y are u trying to misrepresent my views?

why shouls a xtian knowingly commit murder?
why should a xtian indulge in fornication and adultery?
why should a xtian commit fraud and other nefarious peccadilloes?

anyone who indulges in these things can call themselves xtiansm but in reality are not.
how does my view connect with your misinformation?

huxley:

OK. Maybe it is/was not a lie, but a poor understanding of your bible. In which case (in the event that you poorly understood you bible), I withdraw my charge if lying and apologise.

what are u talking about?

where did u get the assertion of "once saved always saved" from?
u are simply trying to confine xtianity to the convenient box of atheistic scrutiny. ur postulations cannot survive a rigorous intellectual debate.

i asked u: when u leave a university or get expelled, do u get a degree?

Moyola:

Well,
Everyone is a Xtain in speech
Not
Everyone is in deeds

thats what the atheists have refused to understand. Christianity aint a mere religion.

huxley:

Hey,

What happen to Neotic and Davidylan? Now they have been found to be lying, they have abandoned this thread. Such is the dishonesty of these Christians!

whats the lie in this context?

mazaje:

shup up you deluded plagiarist yours is even worse, you can not even think for yourself. . .all you did was copy the meaningless apologetics of a dull writer that clearly did not know what he was talking about on the other thread. . . he was trying to mix things up and you bought his apologies with out even looking to see if the bible agrees with what he was saying. . . deluded goon. . . .

thou deluded hypocrite. . . . . .why are thou so worked up?

u atheists clearly have no ideas of ur own, thats why u find plagiarism a way of life. how many times have u SHAMELESSLY copied comments online, without reading them? thou shameless hypocrite.

why are thou so gullible my friend? where did u deduce that from?

mazaje:

why should i be interested in debating a person that clearly does not know what he is talking about? you were caught changing your positions about 3 times on just a single issue and you think you know what you are saying? ridiculous charlatan. thou hypocrite why do you complain when people give you a taste of your own medicine? do you want me to quote where you have personally insulted others here on nairaland? idiot. . . .

considering ur antecedents, i can only laugh

so long !!!!

huxley:


Now that you know you are saved, is there any possibility that something could happen in the future that could jeopardise your salvation?  Or is it "once saved, always saved"?

Its as good as enrolling for a course in the university, if u leave before the course ends or the university expels you, do u get a degree?

davidylan:

there is no islamic civilization, we simply have belligerent islamic states. Does this mythical civilization contribute anything meaningfully to the world beyond death and violence?

none at all. Just everything evil u can imagine.

And considering that "allah" has also commanded them to conquer the world by force, I wonder what's civilised in that?

huxley:

So you tell me - Are you a Christian and are you going to be saved?

I am a Christian and by grace I am saved and remain saved.

He was referring to the hypocrites amongst us. The tithe and first fruit propagators and those who have made the church the exclusive preserve of the rich. To those (church) who who have excluded the condemned, prostitutes, widowed, destitute, hopeless from God`s kingdom, in the name of Jesus.

And not to forget you, thou unsaved atheist, . . .

for the first time u are right. any problem with this reality?

did u ask questions? i didnt even notice . . ,

just google the answers, like u googled the questions, thou pathetic slave of allah.

what is islamic civilization?

what are the tenets and doctrines of this civilisation? are they amputation, sucide bombing, beheading, terrorism and violence against women?

how does ur islamic civilization correspond to 21st century realities?  how does islam in any way propagate 21st century agitation for civil liberties?

dominique:

@horus
this is nothing but pure garbage , you need to take islamic defamation lessons from noetic and davidylan before you can post here .

he was only expressing himself. its called freedom of speech.

fellis:

Dominique, why noetic? He doesn't seem to me, to know so much about religions. Abeg no go make im head swell.
Lagosboy, why 'w'? Why not 'x'?

what is new about islam?

banom:

So without being told, you dont know that Adeboye is an occultic man.

any evidence to buttress this?

mantraa:

Is being rewarded with 72 virgins good?

please dont play with "allah`s" lustful reward to his slaves ooooooooo

this is what they are all looking out, praying and hoping for. To exercise their sexual prowess with the mighty allah`s 72 virgins in aljanat.

poser: what do the females get? 72 guys?

. . . and the atheists give their verdict . . . . .

manmustwac:

How can u define something that dosen't exist?

how can u ascertain that something does not exist?