Where is that Donkey that was screaming Ukraine is wining the war on the other thread ?.
It’s a Pity Zelenskyy allowed Sleepy Joe to deceive him. He didn’t learn from the 2008 Russia/Georgia war where George Bush a Republican who loved war couldn’t confront Russia after pushing Georgia to war with Russia. I have said this and will keep seeing it. The West won’t go to war with Russia over Ukraine. These Nuclear Powers honors MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction ). They know it would be disastrous to go to war with themselves. A Third World War is equivalent to a full scale nuclear war. Stop comparing what happened in 1939 that caused the Second World War when Hitler Invaded Poland to current happenings now, times have changed. Ukraine will just suffer the brunt and nothing will happen. We the student of history knew what happened during the 1962 missile crisis in Cuba. US shouldn’t allow what they won’t take. US won’t allow Russia to site a military base around any country close to them. Russia is a big name in the league too. Putin is only fighting for the future security of his Nation.
Yup Putin even warned the west not to interfere, he said if you do, you will suffer unimaginable consequences. He isn't playing..
Pls close your mouth if you don't know what to say. Why is hardship the 2nd name of Nigeria. Train from France to London is about $112. Get some sense. Our God giving resources and weath are being lavished on frivolities by those in power. Do you know what the so called N16Trillion budget of 2022 can do to Nigeria if judiciously used. More that 80% of that money goes to waste. Nigeria is in deep mess. Wakeup.
The highlighted part showed me you are a dullard. You that accused me of not watching the video. Go back to my past post where I wrote that. And I even wrote there that at 11.7%, you cannot still arrive at 2 children to a woman.
You didn't read my post. Lol. Dullard. You will wound yourself if you keep replying me.
Use your number 6. Answer my common sense question. How many of your family members die at 5 years below? Lol. Dullard. Really, common sense isn't common.
While the UN is making the ridiculous useless claim that 99% of children under 5 died in 2019 in Nigeria, Guardian gave the real figure to be less than 2.5%. Mr man, keep following only figures from the western world that are meaningless. Keep following their propaganda.
Your own words complaining about UN figures.. So now you are a proven liar lol
I would ask what you are so angry about, but given your poor comprehension, I am not even sure you know what argument you are even trying to make
You are a dullard for saying 99% UN data is right. You failed to answer my questions. Where are the children under 5 dying? Are we not in this same Nigeria? Tell us how many under 5 years have died in your family?
This is a common sense. Yet, you want to prove stup.idity here.
What is UN data concerning covid 19 in the whole of Africa? Yeah. You are a slave to the western world. Lol.
I dont doubt that you know something about economics and data. But people like you who can't use their heads are tools in the hands of the western world. You live in Nigeria and you cannot testify that child mortality under 5 is non-significant. I was just laughing when you were making references to bull craps and theories all over the world. German miracle, Japanese yeye-lism, Yama-yama nonsense.
People like you could be used to tell the world we died mercilessly in the hands of covid. Lol. Se you no fit use your common sense. Lol. Nooo. Children dey die like fowls in Nigeria na.
Simple fact: You gave me Hans' data analysis. If I was not smart, you would have insulted me and got away with it. I gave you the main basis and condition for his data which is 2 children per family. Yet, I was surprised the useless you would have the gut to insult me that I didn't watch the video. If I didn't watch it, how did I pull that fact out?
I just have to write this to finish you. You wanted to sound smart, but you are a dullard. Yeah. You know something about economics but you are like Pantami...the fake professor. Lol. The fact that I pulled out the condition of 2 kids per woman should tell you that I didn't just watch it, but pulled out the main factor which should tell you who I am. But you aren't smart. Lol. See how you have just embarrassed yourself.
If you don't stop, you will wound yourself. I have told you.
Maybe 5 years under die seriously in your virtual world. It is possible. You may be an Ogbamje. Lol. Even you are, didn't you survive? Did you die before 5? Oh...how many siblings of yours died? How many neighbors of yours died. How many Ogbamje pikins don die in your family? Yeye dey smell.
Use your number 6. Use your common sense.
Hahahahhhhha! I will rather stick with the Guardian report than your useless UN report. Lol.
Dullard!!!
You missed my update, I took sometime to read the article in more detail it wasnt the UN that made the claim about deaths it was actually a Nigerian non-profit organisation Connected Development.
The UN gave the figure of Nigeria’s mortality rate in 2019 to be 117.2 per 1,000 live births. Which was in line with two local surveys
The 2016/17 Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey estimated the under-five mortality rate at 120 deaths per 1,000, by considering the five years before the survey.
The 2018 demographic and health survey found the rate to be 132 deaths per 1,000 live births, or just over 13%.
So the UN was in line with two local surverys and it was a Nigerian organisaton that gave invalid figures..
Yet you are calling me a dullard. Oh dear...
German miracle, Japanese yeye-lism, Yama-yama nonsense So you clearly show no interest in learning. So you arguing for the sake of it.
I am not even phased by your insults. I have proven my acumen and only post for fun.. I don't need to prove whether I am right on an anonymous forum to massage my ego or for clout.. In truth few people care..
Sadly you remind me of a lot of my countrymen, all talk and very little of substance..
Take a look at my moniker again....look at the highlighted part. Never in your life call me a liar. So, I won't respond to you again. I don't have your time at all cos you arent teachable.
But before I leave. Read the report from Guardian with real proof.
While the UN is making the ridiculous useless claim that 99% of children under 5 died in 2019 in Nigeria, Guardian gave the real figure to be less than 2.5%. Mr man, keep following only figures from the western world that are meaningless. Keep following their propaganda.
So, do you also believe above 10% of children under 5 died in Nigeria in 2019? Did anyone cry in your family cos of the death of under 5 years? When did a child under 5 years die last in your family? In the last 20 years, how many 5 years old died? Are you even up to 20 years yourself? I doubt you are up to 30. And you are shouting. Ok. I don't care about your age....since you were born, how many 5 years old children died in your family or near you? Oh... it's 99% like the propaganda of the western world na. Do you even know the meaning of 10% mortality? See, you better shut up.
You want to teach me. Lol. You will just wound yourself. Do you even know Hans more than me? I said go to my thread on programming and you will find one of his videos there.
Oga, all your rubbish has been refuted by Guardian. You no dey live in this Nigeria? How many children die in this Nigeria since you were born? Did any of your siblings die? Keep talking rubbish. Which hygiene is killing us? Shut the crap up. Children don't die again in Nigeria. So, your bull crap is rubbish.
They were still dying in the North and the reason is polio. Thank God, it has been eradicated also. So, what else do you want to say? Ok. Tell me na. What is killing children in the north now? Is it not in the same Nigeria we are in? So, give us links naooo. Tell us how children are dying like fowls there. Don't you have any link? Give us. If you can give me a link, I will accept. Please, just bury your head in shame.
As regards your other points, I have nothing to say about baseless debates again. I will not even go there.
What is clear is clear. Hans said the high mortality of children is the reason for the balance which eventually corrects it to 2 children. But this factor is no more applicable to Nigeria. The average childbirth per woman in Nigeria is 6. So, Nigeria is on an exponential population increment. We aren't dying again. Guardian has brought out the real figure with facts. If you like, face the truth. If you like, keep arguing and keep making references to the past. Hans is dead and he is past now. All your references are golden days scenarios whereby high child mortality is affected. But this is a new scenario. Only 2.5% of children under 5 years died in 2019. This is the only proof you need to keep quiet. So, shut the crap up and listen.
If you reply, you will get nothing from me again.
Summary 1. You based your argument on Hans. For Hans' theory to be true, there must be 2 children per woman. 2. Nigeria gives birth to more than 4. Proof: Babagida tried educating people to give birth to only 4 from 1985 to 1992 when he left power. He failed. Nigerian woman gives birth to more than 4. Combine South and North, the average is around 6 to 7. 3. Hans said the survival rate is 2 children per woman. 4. UN said Nigerian children under 5 mortality rate is 99% which equates Hans' 2 children. 5. Guardian has refuted it with proofs. And we also living in Nigeria know it is a lie. We aren't dying. Covid 19 refused to kill us. We have a strong immune system. According to Guardian, it is 2%. So, are you saying 2% of child mortality will reduce the ratio to 2 children per woman? Come on. This is common sense. Common sense is truly not common.
Even at 11.7%, it will still be more than 2 children to a woman. Cos UN said 117 out of 1,000 children under 5 years died in 2019 which is 11.7%. How they arrived at 99% is beyond me. And I repeat, even at 11%, it cannot be 2 children to a woman.
5. Right now, it is more than 4 children to a woman in Nigeria. Therefore, Hans' analysis cannot be applied to Nigeria.
Full stop!!!
Goodluck.
You have tried my patience..
Your arguments are all over the place and unresearched. Now you have cited a Nigerian newspaper source and cited it as being more reliable than UN data. Ok then...
Did you even read this article it wasnt the UN that made the claim about deaths it was actually a Nigerian non-profit organisation Connected Development.
The UN gave the figure of Nigeria’s mortality rate in 2019 to be 117.2 per 1,000 live births. Which was in line with two local surveys
The 2016/17 Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey estimated the under-five mortality rate at 120 deaths per 1,000, by considering the five years before the survey.
The 2018 demographic and health survey found the rate to be 132 deaths per 1,000 live births, or just over 13%.
Read data and understand it before making silly outlandish claims. You have shown yourself up here, not understanding the material from an article you cited!!!
You have addressed none of the points I have made..
I am no longer interested in having a discussion with you. I couldn't care less what other threads you have written about Hans in, it is clear you have only a basic grasp of economics and demographics.
Believe whatever you wish to believe. You are a perfect example of why Nigeria is failing, too many folks who think they have the answer to highly complex problems with only a basic understanding of the issue.
Look at the highlighted part. I have just told you that even without prosperity, children mortality can be reduced. He mentioned vaccines and this is what is used in the north. Polio has been already eradicated in the north. Malaria doesn't kill Nigerians again. Do you know how malaria reduced the population in the western world and Asia? But they still do not have a solution to it. We can agree that could 19 is an advanced malaria cos it is about fever. Keep the temperature down and you will beat it. From what you have seen, can oyinbo easily beat fever? My point is that despite poverty, Africa has proved you wrong that only prosperity can check high children mortality. Even a strong immune system with the help of basic medical care will do it just as it is presently doing in Africa. Did Hans consider that vaccines will be free and sent to poor areas? Sir, I won't stop if I don't now. You are just looking at one angle alone which is prosperity as a result of a magical hand handling our economy. Sir...e no possible. Una dey dream.
Having stated it clearly that not only prosperity is needed to reduce mortality, have you asked yourself why Nigerians are still even giving birth to more children than our fathers and mothers despite the reduction in child mortality. Do you want to tell me the children dying in Africa and Nigeria like in those days? Has this made them think twice they must not have sec recklessly? Of course, our population is skyrocketing because of something Hans missed. . I am not saying his data was wrong, but he could not have imagined a group of people known as Nigerians can be useless to continue f.ucking raw in poverty. Yes, Nigerians are an exceptionally uncommon useless group of people. Nigeria is a special case study.
In all you are saying which I do not want to dispute cos I can see you understand economics, you are saying that prosperity can still be achieved in Nigeria. That it is not impossible. However, you still refused to put into consideration the act of deliberate childbirth control.
You are saying only economic growth is required to balance it.
1. Now, if that economic growth is not achieved, what would happen? Will there still be a balance? I am waiting to get your answer.
2. Do you realize corruption is a factor which China had to remove. Have you removed corruption in Nigeria? I keep smiling. You keep shouting economic growth. How can you grow amid corruption? Does it look like Nigeria is ready to stop corruption? You keep saying leaders, leaders...is it only leaders who will eradicate corruption? I Keep saying that the foundational problem of Nigeria is embedded in nuclear families. I want your opinion.
3. I have mentioned a deliberate reduction of children per family. So, China is stupid before adopting this policy. Right? So, they didn't know that economic growth is a factor. Even after tackling corruption, they still had to get the one-child policy to check it. Have you read anywhere that it was a great mistake the Chinese did it? We are talking of a nation with over 1 billion population. If China had done nothing what do you think its population will be today? I laugh in the Mandarin language..lol. Oh! You think prosperity will reach China if nothing was done. Ok. Do you think you will have the gut to talk about the German economic miracle?
You are looking at only one factor which is economic growth, but fail to look at the factors which can hinder economic growth. It is easier to make such a policy one-child policy in Nigeria to start checking it pending the time we are ready to check corruption. Is it until we are 500 million we will start getting it right? We will have so much to do to check it then.
Guy, every law has its checks. Every theory has exceptional cases. So, do not just read and take it like that. If you do, you cannot come up with your theory. No one can be always right, and this is the reason counter theories always come in to put checks. Only economic prosperity cannot naturally balance a nation's population. I have not said I don't agree it can. And as a matter that economic prosperity is a reason many of us who understood it had to chill till this moment, but we that can look forward have started seeing other factors which can make economic prosperity extremely hard to take place, and we have started talking about the danger ahead. Yes, the danger is ahead. Corruption seems to be real cancer. And this bounces to parents having many children they cannot take care of. And those children turn to yahoo, ritual killing, and dubious means in their working places to sort out themselves. Tell me how economic prosperity will take place here. This is an example of the causation effect. Huge childbirth as a cause of corruption. You will just be fighting corruption and you will keep losing. But then, if you decide to move into deliberately reducing childbirth, down the years to come, corruption will be eradicated naturally because childbirth reduction hastens eco comic growth.
See, I will keep going on and on. I really do not have the time too. But your problem is that you are looking at just one view of the issue which is how economic growth reduces fertility. And I have told you that I don't doubt it. But you have failed to look at other factors. I guess you aren't aware of them. You are the one who needs to read further. Bro, Nigeria cannot get better with the best economics. Never. Except you can return to tell me how economic prosperity can reduce corruption. Except you can tell me how Nigeria should fix the economy. But do not tell me we need a good leader cos it is not wise. This is not an issue of having one person there. I believe in creating a system which works no matter who is there. Oh. We don't have a good leader. Bull crap! Create a system that can make even the biggest dullard still function. If you want to do this.
Sir, I do not see how Nigeria will get out of this with only good economics. It is practically not possible. Stop giving false hope based on data. You need to consider other factors I have highlighted. And there are still more. We need to rediscover ourselves.
In the video you posted, Hans' standard is 2 children per family. Whether it is economic growth, corruption removal, deliberate childbirth control, or a combo of 2 or more, the standard to not grow more than 11 billion world population is 2 children per family. Anything outside this, we will grow more.
My point is that other factors help to hold that policy which he didn't mention. I have explained why it may not be possible.
Did you watch where he said Africa will reach 4 billion with the present growth rate? Must Africa wait to get there? What if we don't eventually still achieve 2 children per family policy? Are we going to explode more than that? You refused to look into the eradication of polio and malaria which are the two major causes of childhood mortality rate. Did Hans talk about this?
I need to stop.
God bless you, bro!
I can tell you didn't watch the video before responding. Nothing worse that preparing to give an answer, before you have taken onboard the information given to you or any questions sent your way.
"Look at the highlighted part. I have just told you that even without prosperity, children mortality can be reduced"
Actually without prosperity, child mortality can only be reduced to a certain degree The type of education only possible in advanced wealthy nations makes a very significant difference to infant mortality. For example, a basic understanding of hygiene would lead to a mother never drinking or bathing her or her children near a sewage outlet. In Nigeria even the middle class often lack even a basic understanding of Hygiene. This makes a significant difference to child mortality levels.
Again being able to understand complex instructions over the phone from hospital staff when an accident has occurred again is correlated with how educated the general population is a given society. Would someone from the bush understand what is meant by sterilizing the wound? Probably not.
Do you do any research before making bold sweeping statements? Regarding Malaria, there is a vaccine, but is requires a regimen of doses and a level of organisation above the competence of most African nation states including Nigeria
Again this vaccine took so long as other measures like swamp drainage and pesticides already proved very effective in places like Southern Italy and Singapore. Again please read up on Singapore's development in a tropical climate before making any more outlandish statements
"our population is skyrocketing because of something Hans missed. [/color]. I am not saying his data was wrong, but he could not have imagined a group of people known as Nigerians can be useless to continue f.ucking raw in poverty. Yes, Nigerians are an exceptionally uncommon useless group of people. Nigeria is a special case study."
No Hans didnt miss anything, the required level of economic development is not there in Nigeria especially in the North of the country, which has led to the population continuing to increase. I will admit when you claim to have some special insight above a world famous statistician, you lose credibility. I also have little interest into direct birth control policies as they are contrary to human nature, often fail and lead to other significant problems such as a surplus of males as can be observed in China.
The fact remains with economic development, fertility rates will fall, a pattern that has been seen consistently across various regions and ethnicities..
1. Now, if that economic growth is not achieved, what would happen? Will there still be a balance? I am waiting to get your answer.
You already know the answer based on the earlier point above. It isn't rocket science, if Nigerian politicians don't manage to make any significant gains in terms of economic development then the consequences will be dire.
2. Do you realize corruption is a factor which China had to remove. Have you removed corruption in Nigeria? I keep smiling. You keep shouting economic growth. How can you grow amid corruption? Does it look like Nigeria is ready to stop corruption? You keep saying leaders, leaders...is it only leaders who will eradicate corruption? I Keep saying that the foundational problem of Nigeria is embedded in nuclear families. I want your opinion.
Ok, do you want an award for pointing out corruption weakens economic growth? China is still more corrupt than western european nations especially Northern European ones. But the issue isn't corruption which exists in all societies, it is the level of corruption. Nigeria needs to tackle the most overt and blatant examples of corruption. Doing that alone, would probably significantly help economic development in the country. But that will require a change of the current political class and its culture, which Nigerians can only do via better choices at the ballot box.
What came first the chicken or the egg? Nuclear families are typically the product of a developed societies, so only if Nigeria develops will we see the tendency towards smaller family units in the nation.
3. I have mentioned a deliberate reduction of children per family. So, China is stupid before adopting this policy. Right? So, they didn't know that economic growth is a factor. Even after tackling corruption, they still had to get the one-child policy to check it. Have you read anywhere that it was a great mistake the Chinese did it? We are talking of a nation with over 1 billion population. If China had done nothing what do you think its population will be today? I laugh in the Mandarin language..lol. Oh! You think prosperity will reach China if nothing was done. Ok. Do you think you will have the gut to talk about the German economic miracle?
Again please read about the history of China. Henry Kissinger once said that "China is not a country, but rather, a civilization pretending to be a state". China has a very unique developmental history, a single stream of civilisation that stretches back to the Romans. This led to the significantly large population you see today. Based on their then level of development, they made the decision to pursue a one child policy. It did help, but it was not without it problems. China now faces a massive demographic crunch as its working age population will collapse significantly in the next few decades. It has a surplus of boys and caused undue harm to many families due to the legal consequences of families having more than one child. In my view against a solution of just increasing economic growth, the negative externalities of such population policies are not worth it.
The rest of your post was largely the same. Look one cannot make definitive assumptions about economic policy and what drives growth. But we have enough cases to understand what are pre-requisites for economic growth. I have cited multiple examples and what is most interesting is that they have largely mirrored each other. Japanese Keiretsu are very similar Chaebols and it is no wonder that both countries experienced significant economic growth with such a corporate structure. Nigeria certainly hasn't tried this model, so it would be worth attempting it to see if Nigeria can grow it's way out of possible problems with respect to its population. I recall when China was averaging 10% growth per annum a few years back, if Nigeria sustained such rates of growth, we would see significant improvements in the nation state. Given Nigeria has significant natural resources the growth rate could be even higher.
Please read up under the economic periods I cited previously. It would help you to understand my point of view. Even better, I would suggest you visit such nations to understand at close hand how quickly they developed.
You are wrong here. I know Hans Rosling very well and if you want me to post his videos, I can. He gave a standard which is 2 children per family. Sir, I know what I wrote. I wrote 1 child every 10 years. So, this falls into what Hans recommended. If a lady starts giving birth in her 20s, the chance is high that she will give birth to 2 children in her life. It is not easy to bounce back after 10 years break. She won't want a 3rd child. This is the reason for 10 years break.
Hans mentioned contraceptives too. Babangida tried to move it to 3 children, still no way. This is the root problem of Nigeria I maintained. Go and watch all his videos well. His standard is 2 children per family so there will be a balance.
I don't know what you mean by saying when GDP reaches middle income, the fertility rate will decline. What is the relationship between the two? What? Is it a correlation relationship or causation? It is funny what you have just written. Hans said nothing about this. If he does, please, I want to watch the video. Even he said this, I will have to study it hard.
Sir, reluctance to marry or to have children is the main cause of low fertility. Again, forcing women to contribute financially is another reason. Now, let me help you. I can agree with you that GDP increasing to the middle class might mean women taking more jobs thereby refusing to give births to more. In this case, hmmmmm. I agree. But listen to me, it still has to do with the ratio.
I like you. And I appreciate your input. I like discussing with people like you. But listen to me, it will take Nigeria a long way if we rely only on moving GDP higher. Like I showed you, our GDP is not that bad. But GDP per capita is the issue. To move it to the middle class, we will need to aid it with introducing the 2 children per family via one child per decade. There is no way you can do it relying on the wealth moving up to the middle class.
Hans mentioned that population is growing linearly while the world thinks it is exploding. I agree with him. He said children die in high numbers and it is the reason for the linear progression. Sir, polio which is a major cause of children's death has been eradicated ooo. Malaria doesn't kill like before. Hans did not put this into factor. So, tell me why there won't be an explosion. See, I wish the man is still alive. Honestly, Hans will bring out another video using Nigeria as a case study in his video. Yes, life expectancy is still low at 55%, but in Japan, it is 80. So, they have a huge problem with a low population. But it is different here.
The key is balancing everything. You are looking at just one factor saying it is economic development. There is no development you can have and survive if a family has 6 children and non-die. Did you watch his videos? The balance came about due to the high mortality rate of children. Then coupled with economic development as a result of the introduction of education, the balance came about.
I ask you: where is the balance in Nigeria? Polio and Malaria which are two demons killing children have almost been eradicated. So, how do we move it to 2 children per family in a lifetime? Come on! How do we move GDP to the middle class whatever you mentioned? Oga, it is not possible.
The main criterion here is to do every possible to achieve a child per decade policy.
With increased wealth, your children are more likely to survive to adulthood, so women have less. There are secondary benefits to a wealthier society such as access to education and contraceptives. Again this favors reduces fertility as women are more knowledgeable about birth control and typically want to further their careers so again less children...
As I explained this phenomenon is well known and documented...
I don't have the time or patience to educate you on economic theory. Read about the Meiji restoration, the German economic miracle, Japanese Post war development, Miracle on the Han, Reforms by Lew Kuan Yew in Singapore and the Reforms of Deng Xiaopeng.. That will give you a clearer path to the pre requisites to fast economic development.
While less relevant the development models of Qatar and the Reforms of Sheik Al Maktoum of Dubai also shows how resource rich economies can manage their economies...
It isn't impossible, but requires economic diligence.. Something Nigeria doesn't currently have
You do not get it. Put the most brilliant economist as the president of Nigeria, it is not possible. Ha ba! Did you not read the analysis?
Population is a game of exponential function. We need to fix it because natural resources remain constant. Go and read my posts again cos I do not have the energy to repeat what I have typed.
The government has got its issue, but this is the foundational problem of Nigeria.
Listen, Goodluck kept saying the GDP of Nigeria was at its best when he was the president which is the truth. Even as of today, our GDP is not bad. But prosperity will not reach everyone. It is why no matter the figures govt projects, people always ask about how it is affecting the common man. How? It cannot. What 1 person should have, 50 are presently sharing it. This is the main issue here.
Go off watch a Hans Rosling video, once GDP per capita rises to a middle Income level, the fertility rate falls..
Japan once had a burgeoning population, once the wealth of Japan rose its fertility rate collapsed.. This is a pattern mirrored across multiple nations and ethnicities..
The key factor is economic development. Also your understanding of economic development is very simplistic. It isn't just projects, it is the wholesale development of economic sectors such as manufacturing across various industries to beneficially use the demographic bulge..
PeaceJoyLove: This is the real reason I am leaving this country. I think I need to start my life elsewhere and build a new place as my home.
After analyzing Nigeria, I have realized Nigeria will be like India. But with high rate of crime and corruption, Nigeria will be worse.
Nigeria is wasting its time praying to God. Let God send Michael, Gabriel, Uriel as our president, Nigeria cannot get better. Ask me why?
Our population is getting so high. I have been shouting and crying about this. There is no nation which can survive it. Nigeria has over 200 million people and it is not up to Texas which is a state in the US. While the US has a total population of just over 300million. So, how will Nigeria make it? In the next 5 years if Nigeria goes on multiplying like this, the population here will be more than that of the US. This will be car.zy.
Only Lagos has 21 million. Is this normal? In my opinion, Lagos should be more than 30millin. Tell me how Lagos can ever be clean. Tell me how we will be prosperous. What 1 person should have, about 50 are presently sharing it. Tell me how there can be prosperity in the Land. Tell me why there won't be cases like this. Tell me why there will not be hardened criminals.
Sweden, Norway, and many EU nations are under 10 million.
I have been saying that Nigeria must make a law to prohibit more than 1 child every 10 years. You want more than 1 child, wait for 10 years. If you violate it, the child will not be awarded Nigerian citizenship and you pay exactly the fees of foreigners for the child. And you dear not neglect the child. You neglect the child, you go to jail and the child is given to someone else to take care of and awarded Nigerian citizenship. Simple. When we do this, we will get serious.
If not, world power will depopulate us. Yes, they will. They have been warning us, but we are playing with it. We are playing with fire.
This issue is one of the foundational problems of Nigeria. A group of people who are controlled by their sex organs. This is a serious problem. Nigerians are gluttons. Yes.
I need to get out of this nation. This is getting serious.
It is only a problem if economic development does not keep pace or exceed population growth.
Had it done so, population growth naturally decreases anyway. This is why I have attacked Buhari and any other economically illiterate leader Nigeria has had. If the government doesn't sort out the economic fortunes of all Nigeria, then in truth the nation is doomed..
What is the meaning of referendum? Who will give the referendum?
So this is the level you are reduced to? As I said you know the answer and I know the answer. If Southern Nigeria for example was asked whether it wanted to remain in a union with the North of Nigeria, the answer would be a resounding no..
So now you feign ignorance and attempt to avoid the question.
The federal government of Nigeria would conduct the referendum..
Your response and choice of words is the reason I hardly respond to ibop miscreants. They revert to insults and name calling when faced with facts and realities. How then do you hope to achieve your dreamed Biafra because you guys lack the intelligence to achieving it diplomatically. Let's not even mention militarily. So what are your road maps aside turning once a peaceful region into den of scoundrels, robbers and cultists, running amok and disrupting the hardworking Igbo?
Stop feigning offence, why are you scared of a referendum...?
Referendum is not in the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. If your Nnamdi Kanu is wise as you lots want to make us believe, he should know that already before inciting young Igbo youths to embark on a journey without direction. Nnamdi Kanu, if he is intelligent should had formed a political movement that will produce people with similar view to represent his region, thereby pushing the inclusion of Referendum on Nigeria's constitution. Fights for freedom could be rigorous and could last for decades or generation...Rather, we have a man that wants the shortcut way because he is so ambitious and power drunk. Wants the Biafra of his dream where would be the supreme leader, thereby see nothing wrong in sacrificing the lives of our young people, causing anarchy in our region to achieve his selfish goals. I feel so ashamed that people like Nnamdi Kanu is seen as championing the course of intelligent and educated Igbos like me.
Are you a man or a chicken..
Look a referendum transcends any man. Any government that refuses a referendum does so because it is afraid of the result.. Nothing more..
If Nigeria was so wonderful then you and your ilk wouldn't be scared of such a vote!! Like Scotland people would vote and the separatists would lose.. Ditto Quebec..
You are scared and holding on to half truths to save yourself.. "not in the constitution" lol Listen to him...
Firstly I have no problems with anyone seeking self determination,I already answered your question and even asked you a more logical question. Ipob is not in the business of self determination anymore,they are edging full scare into militancy and creating an uneasy atmosphere for the region by picking up arms. Self determination is not self destruct. Now my question to you is why do you think a group that channels so much energy to attack and kill others who do not believe in their fruitless fraud struggle, should be tagged with freedom?? Let groups that are Just come out and speak,not a group that will put others to the chains Iike ipob. Mind you I used the word taliban wannabe bcus they are flowing in the same rhythm. Attacking,and enforcing senseless agendas on people who do not want their nonsense is taliban like if you ask me.
I will reserve judgement on the increasing militancy as we have seen numerous false flag operations being committed by DSS and security operatives under the guise of IPOB.
At least you conceded that there is no direct equivalence between those pursuing an undemocratic theocracy and those merely asking for self determination.
IPOB have not sought dominion over anyone, their primary focus has been self determination nothing more.. They have asked numerous times for a referendum to be held, so those who are against can express their opposition via the ballot box. But it is the federal govt that has simply dismissed the idea for obvious reasons. Most of the South would succeed together or merely go their own separate ways as nation states were such a vote to occur.
So attacking, cursing and killing others who do not support a very hopeless, fruitless and obviously fraud struggle is now self determination A group like ipob that has shown signs that they will put others to the chains if they had power at their disposal have no business with anything connected to freedom,they might turn out to be worse than the said fg. They should quit wasting their time,if it's their nonsense taliban wannabe biafra, dead, nailed and buried. We will not run from Nigeria only to fall into the hands of brainwashed thugs cultist and hardened criminals doing their taliban wannabe ipob nonsense. Igboland rejects a taliban wannabe agenda.
I have already asked you to explain how the desire for self determination desired by some Igbo and Yoruba is analogous to the desire for a Theocratic regime like the Taliban?
You haven't, simply spouting more unsubstantiated nonsense about "putting others in chains", "cults" etc. It is clear you have no serious points to make, so we are done here..
ablejesus26: This London scammer is yet to wake up to reality that his fraud ipob scheme is on auto crashing mode�.
This man has zero leadership in him, only thugs, cultist and hardened criminals can perceive a man that has zero positive impact in their lives and society as a leader. Anyi ma ndi anyi na-apko ndi isi na Ala Igbo. This one is not one of them at all. If he luckily gets out which is very doubtful,he must have learnt his lesson that being ipob leader doesn't mean are Igbo leader and parading himself as a self imposed generalissimo is a big own goal.
Igboland says no to a taliban wannabe agenda
Are you serious?
How is fighting for self determination aligned with the behaviour of groups like the Taliban??
Igbos are increasingly marginalised and as a consequence some have asked to leave the Federal Republic, this has nothing to do with the creation of a theocratic regime..
The problem of marginalised Southern groups which increasingly includes Yoruba, otherwise you would not have seen the rise of Sunday igboho can only be resolved through enfranchising all Nigerians..
Also returning to competence based system would help as well so the best men or women get the job. Rather than lopsided appointments favouring those from the North...
The point was Japan had no trailblazer in Asia, IT WAS THE TRAILBLAZER.
Read this let me educate you cause you know nothing
Japan In medieval Japan they created and expanded on a lot of resources such as; paint, fire balloons which were used in combat as well as a Katana which was a blade made for a samurai to kill their enemies in one swift movement. In the early 17th century they didn't have many materials to help create their supplies.
China The Four Great Inventions (simplified Chinese:traditional Chinese:are inventions from ancient China that are celebrated in Chinese culture for their historical significance and as symbols of ancient China's advanced science and technology.[1] They are the compass,gunpowder,papermaking,and printing.
China held the world's leading position in many fields in the study of nature from the 1st century BC to the 15th century AD, with the four great inventions having the greatest global significance.
Who do you think is asian trailblazer?
Before you argue make sure you have done your research well boy...Google is your friend use it lol....That's why your point is pointless Lol
Ancient China for all of its advances never industrialised, Japan was the First Nation in Asia to industrialise.
It’s model of state directed industrialisation with keiretsu, was a model copied by all other Asian nations. In Korea they are called Chaebol, in China state run enterprises and even Singapore adapted the some of the economic approaches first developed by the Japanese.
That is why Japan was a trailblazer you clown..
Advances in the feudal era pale in comparison to advances in the modern industrial era. Which is why Britain was able to create the world’s largest ever empire, on which the sun never set.
While short lived, Japan managed to create one of the largest ever empires in East Asia. In fact it it was Japan’s military triumph over western powers that opened the doors for all Asians. First they defeated the Russians considered a European power in the battle of Tsushima strait under general Togo, with his infamous crossing the T manoeuvre. This was only possible because the Japanese had the industrial might to build modern battleships. This event elevated the Japanese and through so doing they were considered honorary white.. That distinction was eventually conferred to all Asians. China by contrast suffered heavily at the hands of western powers..
The second example was world war 2 as the Japanese cut a victorious path across Asia, beating American and British forces alike. To other Asians the sight of fellow Asians defeating white armies and marching proudly through say Singapore was a revelation. Again Japan was the trailblazer…
Modern innovations like just in time manufacturing again have been exported across the world.
Btw all of the above was from memory, Google not required There is a reason why my teachers/professors remember me
Look you are out of your depth with me, concede you are wrong instead of showing your ignorance…
The British have a statue of Mandela in London, did they not found South Africa..? Was their wealth not built on the colonisation of Africa and slavery of millions of Africans..?
The Americans have a statue of Martin Luther King, wasn't their country built on the backs of African slave Labour..? With the brutal prejudice towards those of African descent continuing to this day..
A statue means little, look at the behaviour of the people on the ground.
Anyway,Nigeria might respect the cry of her brothers.
Nigeria is closer to both SA and Algeria than Isael.
But you're smarter than me on this.
Not really...
Algeria is for Algerians and SA likewise is for its people. Especially regarding the latter nation, ask returning Nigerians how they were treated by xenophobic South Africans..
All of these countries are the same in my eyes, we are close to none of them. Our only focus should be whether they have anything we need and getting it from them..
No more no less..
When it comes to foreign policy, I don't care about religion or humanitarian nonsense, only cold hard economics...
First of all he is not Nigerian,so stop mentioning Buhari. Just mention Cyril Ramphosa instead.
He may not be Muslim.
Is Palestine Moslem state?
Don't you know that the Muslim Israelis are much than Christian ones?
What are you saying?
I don’t care for either Israel or Palestine. I only care what Nigeria can get out of either nation. If South Africa or Algeria have a problem with Israel, that is their issue not ours…
The wanton massacre of Igbos in the North, who attained contractual and positions of economic power by virtue of ability and hardwork..
They fled south and Ojukwu was of the opinion that since the North didn't respect the rights of all citizens in Nigeria, Igbos would be better served outside of the union...
That analysis wasn't wrong as the North gave us despots like IBB, Abacha and Buhari.. Who all sent the economic fortunes of this great nation backward..
As for pogroms against minorities, this has sadly continued, with brazen attacks on foreign groups in the North. Jihadist activity and marauding herdsmen that gave rise to Nnamdi Kanu in the East and Igboho in the South West...
Also why do you assume I am just Igbo, when my grandfather was buried in Ebutte Metta and my family hails from ijebu ode..? If anyone is the bigot here it is you mumu..
I just speak out against injustice.. while you are an apologist for Northern oppression..
Lol you know politics and you are being ruled by the fulanis , this a big slap on the face of Igbos
The fraudster you call leader is going to forge a path for all africans lol
You mentioned Meiji ,Meiji worked with the ruling shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu , who helped make the Meiji Restoration (1868)—the overthrow of the shogunate and restoration of power to the emperor—a relatively peaceful transition.
Now let me ask you just one question ,which ruling power in the south east and south south is working with your fraudster leader ?
You will call Enyinnaya Abaribe another fraudster that has been in government for year without doing anything for his people .Go on and ask questions they will tell you that he's been hated in his own village ..what a shame
Go and borrow senes
Congrats you can use Google and at the same time completely missed my point.
The point was Japan had no trailblazer in Asia, IT WAS THE TRAILBLAZER...
Just because there isn't an advanced democracy in Africa does not preclude Nigeria from becoming one.. My point went straight over your little head as I suspected it would.
A starting point for a better democratic government would be respect for opposition and opposing view..
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