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Mhimi007:Anyhow we look at it, the picture is that of Fowl which is Okuko in Igbo language. So why the similarities? |
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JideJordan:https://www.publicchristianity.org/the-role-of-doubt-in-a-life-of-faith/ TRANSCRIPT SIMON SMART: To what extent does some doubt play a role in a life of committed faith? WILLIAM LANE CRAIG: I think that traditionally Christians theologians and ordinary believers have understood that doubt actually is part of the life of faith. Very often great saints of God have gone through what they call ‘the dark valley’, in which God may not seem real to them and they trust in God to get them through that dark valley and bring them out on the other side. And this is not inimical to faith, or contrary to faith, this is a part of the life of faith. The trust in God just as Job in the Old Testament trusted in God as he went through terrible suffering and loss. And this isn’t a blind or irrational faith – on the contrary, in those moments where we go through the dark valley it can be helpful to remember all of the good reasons and evidence for God’s existence, that our faith is not based just on emotions, but it’s based upon the truth, and therefore we can trust God to help get us through those difficult times. |
JideJordan:https://www.reasonablefaith.org/videos/interviews-panels/dealing-with-doubt A short interview with Dr. William Lane Craig, a leading Christian philosopher, about how college students should respond when they wrestle with doubts about the faith. Transcript Interviewer: Dr. Craig, could you please introduce yourself? Dr. Craig: Yes, I’m William Lane Craig. I’m a Research Professor at Talbot School of Theology, and I’m a Christian philosopher and theologian. Interviewer: It’s the experience of many Christian students who attend university that they find their faith troubled, and they begin to have doubts. Dr. Craig: Sure. Interviewer: What advice would you give to someone who is experiencing serious doubts? Dr. Craig: Well, there’s a number of things, I think, that I would say about that. First of all, I think that I would tell them that they need to understand the proper relationship between faith and reason. And my view here is that the way in which I know Christianity is true is first and foremost on the basis of the witness of the Holy Spirit in my heart, and that this gives me a self-authenticating means of knowing that Christianity is true wholly apart from the evidence. And therefore, if in some historically contingent circumstances the evidence that I have available to me should turn against Christianity, I don’t think that that controverts the witness of the Holy Spirit. In such a situation, I should regard that as simply a result of the contingent circumstances that I’m in, and that if I were to pursue this with due diligence and with time, I would discover that, in fact, the evidence—if I could get the correct picture—would support exactly what the witness of the Holy Spirit tells me. So, I think that it’s very important to get the relationship between faith and reason right. Otherwise, what that means is that our faith is dependent upon the shifting sands of evidence and argument, which change from person to person, place to place, and generation to generation. Whereas, the Holy Spirit and his testimony gives every generation and every person immediate access to a knowledge of God and the truth of Christianity that’s independent of the shifting sands of time and place and person and historical contingency. The second thing I think I would say follows from that—what this means is that doubt is never simply an intellectual problem. There is always a spiritual dimension to doubt as well. There is an enemy of your souls, Satan, who hates you intensely, and who is bent on your destruction, and who will do everything in his power to see that your faith is destroyed. And therefore, when we have these intellectual doubts and problems, we should never look at them as something that is spiritually neutral, or divorce them from the spiritual conflict that we’re involved in. Rather, we need to take these doubts to God in prayer, to admit them honestly, to talk to our Christian friends about them, to not stuff them or hide them. We need to deal with them openly and honestly and talk to people about them and seek God’s help in dealing with them. I think, frankly, no human being in this lifetime will ever have all of his questions answered. There’s always going to be a question bag on the shelf of unanswered questions that we haven’t had time to deal with in this lifetime. So the key to victory in the Christian life is not having all your questions answered. The key to victory is learning how to live with unanswered questions. That’s the real key. How do you allow unanswered questions not to become destructive doubts? And I think part of the secret of that will be by cultivating your spiritual life, engaging in spiritual disciplines like prayer, meaningful worship, Christian music, sharing your faith with other people, being involved in Christian service, so that you will foster the witness of the Holy Spirit in your life, be filled with the Holy Spirit so that when you come into the circumstances of doubt and the shifting sands of evidence and so forth you aren’t thrown into shipwreck because of that. Finally, I would encourage you, whenever you get the opportunity, to take one of those questions out of the question bag and pursue it into the ground until you come to intellectual satisfaction with it. And I can say from my own personal experience that this is one of the most spiritually exhilarating and healthy things that you can do in your Christian life – to take some issue that has been a nagging doubt and make it the subject of a research project. Do a paper in your philosophy class on it, or something like that, and pursue it into the ground until you are intellectually satisfied with it. And it will free you from that ever being a source of doubt again in your life. And that is a wonderful experience. I’ve done that with a number of questions that I have had, and it leaves you with the conviction that Christianity does indeed stand intellectually head and shoulders above every “ism” or philosophy that it might compete with. But of course, as I say, we’ll never empty the question bag completely. And so, while this is a healthy exercise, the more fundamental task that we need to do is to learn how to live with unanswered questions without allowing them to become destructive doubts. Interviewer: Dr. Craig, thank you for your time. Dr. Craig: You’re welcome. |
PotatoSalad:Good point. Also imagine how backward we would have been if Christianity and other theists hadn’t stepped up in their quest for knowledge that led to great scientific and philosophical advancements |
Falseprofet2:Science and Christianity aren’t alternatives. Christians and other theists contributed greatly to the development and advancement of sciences and built some of the foremost universities that trained great minds in philosophy and science. The Christian is never surprised at discoveries made by scientists as it was clearly spelt out in the Bible. Francis Bacon said God had given us 2 great books of morals and nature in the Bible and sciences. Let the human race recover that right over nature which belongs to it by divine bequest." Bacon explicitly placed his conception of knowledge and of a new science within the Christian tradition....Francis Bacon “And God blessed them and said to them, Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it [using all its vast resources in the service of God and man]; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and over every living creature that moves upon the earth. And God said, See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the land and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. And to all the animals on the earth and to every bird of the air and to everything that creeps on the ground–to everything in which there is the breath of life–I have given every green plant for food. And it was so.” Genesis 1:28-30 AMPC https://www.bible.com/8/gen.1.28-30.ampc |
Reni1:Lol! You are a smart fellow. Thanks for your input. I understand your point. I appreciate that. You now speak like Apostle Paul in Acts 17 when he met the philosophers in Athens. Well, what we do is just an academic exercise. It doesn’t shake our faith. Why? Because belief in God is a basic and warranted belief in humans that needs no proof just like our basic need to breathe air effortlessly, our basic need for food, our basic need for association and care. Belief in God is basic and warranted. QED. But then, Jesus made claims in the Bible and said he came from God. “All things have been entrusted and delivered to Me by My Father; and no one fully knows and accurately understands the Son except the Father, and no one fully knows and accurately understands the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son deliberately wills to make Him known.” Matthew 11:27 AMPC https://www.bible.com/8/mat.11.27.ampc If Jesus claimed to have come from God, and to know God and to reveal God to people, and to bring the kingdom of God closer to men, then we have to ask whether Jesus can be believed in. First of all, did Jesus Christ of Nazareth exist? Yes. History and archeology confirms that. Did he do the things claimed by the Bible? Yes, history and archeology confirms that. Did he teach about God and performed supernatural feats? Yes. History and archeology confirms that. Did he teach about God? Yes he did. So can we believe in Jesus if all he did and said are true? Yes we can. Was Jesus baptized, died and resurrected? Yes as confirmed by history and archeology. Does Jesus live in the hearts of all who believe in him? Yes as confirmed by his believers( although this is a subjective experience and can be shared by any Christian who believes and had experienced salvation in Jesus Christ). So if all Jesus said and claimed is true, then all he said and claimed about God is true and can be believed to be true. The burden of proof now tilts towards anyone who wants to say these are not valid truths. Cheers. “For as I passed along and carefully observed your objects of worship, I came also upon an altar with this inscription, To the unknown god. Now what you are already worshiping as unknown, this I set forth to you. The God Who produced and formed the world and all things in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade shrines. Neither is He served by human hands, as though He lacked anything, for it is He Himself Who gives life and breath and all things to all [people]. [Isa. 42:5.] And He made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men to settle on the face of the earth, having definitely determined [their] allotted periods of time and the fixed boundaries of their habitation (their settlements, lands, and abodes), So that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after Him and find Him, although He is not far from each one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your [own] poets have said, For we are also His offspring.” Acts 17:23-28 AMPC https://www.bible.com/8/act.17.23-28.ampc |
eebraa:Do you have evidences that proved the Bible wrong? |
kingxsamz:Pointless. Pls move on. Try again next time. |
kingxsamz:Go back and learn basic logic. Those aren’t rebuttals. Maybe elementary lake attempts to try your hands on objections to Christianity. That’s not how it works pls. One more lesson for you. I don’t HAVE to object to Zeus to be able to defend my Christian faith and it’s validity. No. All I need to do is marshal out my points and you object them. If you can’t counter my points but keep surreptitiously hustling in Zeus for me to talk about, it implies you have little or no facts to object to my claims. And that makes my claims stand. If you are interested in Zeus debate which I am not interested in now as it adds little or nothing to me, then Marshall out your points for Zeus and let Zeus apologists defend it. |
kramer:I had waited all day long to see your basis for lying against the Bible here. Again you miss the point. Genesis 1 says this about the ages of all God’s creation: 1. Heavens and the earth older than vegetation which is older than animals which is older than humans. Genesis 1:1-2 does not say the number of years after creation of the heavens and earth and the humans. Which of the Bibles did you quote from? |
Workch:I have no doubt that you are just a kid with narcissistic tendencies. |
kingxsamz:Just so you don’t keep fanning yourself for strawmanning. This again is what I posted earlier. Since you were so obsessed with it, I am willing to hear your rebuttals line by line. Don’t cherry pick. If you can’t successfully refute these, then they stand. Your time starts now. Good luck! Yes. It is not an evidence for God’s existence. One of the arguments for God’s existence is the life, baptism , death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. So many never believed in the historical Jesus Christ. This if confirmed true implies Jesus Christ truly had disciples who worshipped him as claimed by the Bible and who had a church as claimed by the Bible and who were real as claimed by the Bible. By deductive reasoning and backward integration, one could work one’s way backwards to confirm the historical Jesus Christ and his influence through his resurrection on the disciples who were radically changed and emboldened after his resurrection. If this is true, then the arguments for God through Jesus Christ is also valid and stands as one of the evidences for God’s existence. Of course all these historical and intellectual arguments is for the skeptic. They do not form part of the faith of the Christian which purely comes from the Holy Spirit and the Bible and the finished work of Jesus Christ and his atonement death. They only strengthen the faith of a Christian who doubts sometimes. |
kingxsamz:Go back to what I said earlier. You didn’t counter the point I made on Jesus of Nazareth and his claims about God and his historicity. Talking about Zeus is not an objection to the facts about Jesus Christ. Elementary logic! |
kingxsamz:Right premises. Wrong conclusion. You have nothing on Jesus Christ. If you had, you would have said it. My claim stands. Make another attempt at your logic. |
Workch:The world already saw and knows who the childish, chest beating, narcissistic fellow is here. Do you still need a formal introduction? Very glaring. Lol |
Workch:Narcissism |
Workch:You know what the mean when they say someone is narcissistic? |
Workch:If you knew how to use any of the dating methods to dispute that archeological finding, you would have been beating your chest now. You don’t know . So just sit this out poor child. |
Workch:Lol! You talk like a kid. Focus on using that scientific dating method to dispute this archeological claims. That way you become more relevant |
Workch:We heard this cliche several times. Do you have more mockery and lame inconsequential things to say? |
Workch:Why do I always have this feeling that your mockery on discussions add little or nothing to your points? I also think you only deviate in topics and can’t focus for long. |
Workch:Distraction. Side-stepping. Straw-manning. Pls focus on the issue at stake. You will make one spurious statement that is unrelated to the topic, then wait for me to join you and get distracted or get someone to support you. Boom...we deviate. By the way you don’t know me. You know nothing about science. When the opportunity presents itself in the course of our discussion, I will oblige your scientific request. Okay? |
kingxsamz:I am happy you neither attempted to deny the historical Jesus, his claims and all the scholarly works that validated his claims, nor did you object to what I said. You only tried to side-step me. . Today is Jesus of Nazareth and his claims and the historical and archeological data around him. Don’t deflect |
kramer:Again you miss the point. Genesis 1 says this about the ages of all God’s creation: 1. Heavens and the earth older than vegetation which is older than animals which is older than humans. Genesis 1:1-2 does not say the number of years after creation of the heavens and earth and the humans. Which of the Bibles did you quote from? |
Workch:You brought your foolishness to this thread. I was surprised you hadn’t displayed it all along. Now I am no longer surprised that you spilled it. I had expected it. Keep quiet if you can’t keep up with the discussion |
Workch:What you posted her indicates religious people actually have more critical minds than you do. How were scientists discovering remains from eggs of animals, left over of foods in the bellies of animals, cakes from antiquity, whereas you have problems with woods? |
Workch:So you lose track easily? |
Dreytonisback:Shoot! You are just as religious as any Christian. You hide under humanism to object to Christianity. Jesus said to love others as oneself. He said it was a big law before God. Isn’t that the summary of humanism, the religion you claim to love? |
Workch:Did the science say when humans had no eyes and how they saw things? Did science say when humans had no mind and how they understood then? |
stanliwise:Scientist point of view? Like Christian scientists who believe in science and the fact that all origins are traced to God? God and science aren’t alternatives! |
stanliwise:Show us pls. Of course that isn’t the only thing I said there. I meant the Christian’s faith is hinged on faith in God and Jesus and the Bible through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. What you are referring to is the intellectual and emotional objection or evidences for one who sometimes doubts, not for all Christians. I hope the works you talk about are scholarly and well attested to? |
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