₦airaland Forum

engrjacuzzi:
my brethren, it finally reach front-page. I give up on Nigeria and Nairaland

Lol. What were you expecting. This site is purely meant for traffic generation. It is not a charity site. It's for profit.
Topics like this generate traffic.

HiddenShadow:
Wake up.

He is the same guy as deridegull.

This is his alternate moniker

Well, I don't know. You should as well caution him to stop peddling false info.

Just see what the 'great' Jagaban has been reduced to. What a shameless man.

MrSly:
Yours is still incomplete.
It is worthy of note that Danfodio led jihad met its waterloo at Nsukka when they tried entering Igboland.

HiddenShadow. You asked me how many other igbos have I seen spreading the lie that Igbos fought fulanis.

Well here is another Ignoramus. I have encountered some others spreading this lie...... Is this how Igbos spread lies?

Fulanis could not penetrate the Benue/Kogi/Southern Taraba axis, how did they now meet Igbos? Did they fly over?

prolog2:
I don't know where to start.
You don't seem to mind the fact that you are being foolish.
Instead of correcting your thinking, you have chosen to push through in the same debunked direction.
You are just like the captain of a boat who bet that there is no rock on his way, and when sighting the rock, instead of turning back and saying he was wrong, the captain goes even faster towards the rock and therefor kills himself and his crew.
All this to say: yoru blogger could quote the pope if he wants, it doesn't matter !
If you want to claim that something happened in 1885 then you need to produce historical documents written arround 1885 which state your claim. Even historians do not have the magical power to just claim things without historical documents to back their claims. Quoting a person's name won't change this simple thing ! Do you get it now ??

You are a hopeless case! I give up. No need pouring water on a rock. Anyone reading this thread will easily understand between you and I who is more foolish.

So, you still did not see where I told you that some of the references on that page were from European sources as they were pure accounts written by Europeans when they came to present day Nigeria and the things they witnessed.......
If that is not enough fact for you then I wonder what is.

Fulani & Nupe elites were already educated and knew how to read and write during this period, they have written accounts of all these events, and they have never come out to debunk any of this.

prolog2:
Talking to you is insult enough, no need to add other insults.
So I guess your historical sources are things written by people who weren't there to witness the story which they are telling ?
You think that claiming they are Edo like me would make you and your story tellers evade scrutini ?
I am a 30 year old with a masters degree. Most of my students are probably older and more educated than you.
I hope one day you will understand that words written in a blog by some talented fiction writers do not constitue history.
As I have already stated, No part of Benin Kingdom (yes because in 1885 there was no such thing as Edo-state, the land was a subterritory of Benin Kingdom) was ever invaded. The Duke/Attaru of Auchi converted to islam after Omo n'Oba n'Edo Ovonramwen lost a war to the british.
I am seriously wondering if you have a brain.

Since you could not take your time to read that link in your deluded mind and foolery, how would you see that the writer of that article actually made reference to renowned historians, quoting them at the end.

I guess afterall, degrees are not a typical representation of the enlightenmment of a person. They are just mere papers. If not, for someone who claims to have a masters degree, you would have at least checked the end of the page to see the numerous references and citations. Some of these references were even from foreign sources. Ignorance is truly a disease!

Here is a screenshot from a part of the references. Let me help your lazy ass.

ballerin:
LOL..You crack me up.
Fulani are so perfidious that they stole too much from the Hausas and gave them too little.
Hausa language was retained as a compensation having destroyed their empire and identity.
Pls can you explain the fraud behind the so called " Hausa/Fulani" appendage?

The fraud in the Hausa/fulani appendage was heavily supported and championed by the British, who wanted to use this large merged to unify and subjugate the whole north with indirect rule for administrative convenience.

This was why the British were not happy with the christian missionaries who were heavily evangelizing northern minority tribes. And the British together with the fulani elites had to make an agreement with the christian missionaries not to evangelize to tribes and areas who were already practicing islam or introduced to Islam. If not for this agreement, believe me, almost all the northern minorities would have been christians. Even a very large chunk of the Hausas themselves would have been christians.

Only the fulanis and mixed breed fulani/Hausa elites are enjoying the advantages of the hausa fulani appendage. The pure Hausa masses are in gruelling poverty and illiteracy and the mixed elite class would do all they can to ensure it remains so.

prolog2:
Just one problem: your story never took place.
The duke of Auchi deliberately converted to islam after his King Omo n'Oba n'Edo had lost a war to the british in 1897.
No part of the Benin Kingdom was ever conquered. The only war the Edo lost was that against the british empire.
You guys should stop being lazy and just wishing history to be what you want rather than actually doing research !
History already took place and you can't change it !

Do you think all of us here are ignorant people?

See, learn to confirm your historical facts here before you come here to embarrass yourself!

The people of Edo north historically known as the KURUKURU people were heavily attacked, raided and islamized by Nupe/fulani jihadists.

Read this history accout below written by your fellow Edo person. There are more references, but this one should do for now.
You can check the 2nd paragraph of the write up where Nupe invasion was first mentioned towards the end.

http://www.edo-nation.net/edoconf2.htm

Then go to the 10th paragraph where it was properly explained. I helped you screenshot that part, so you can read below....

Remember to thank me for enlightening your ignorant self.

FEGNO:
Are there really pure Hausas left? It would seem that over the years there would have been inter-marriages and a mixture or am I wrong? Kindly educate me please

Yes there are pure Hausas left.

Majority of the poor hausa masses are pure hausas.

Only the hausa elites and few middle class are mostly mixed with the fulanis.

There are even the very pure Hausa maguzawa people who managed to escape Islam. Most of them have converted to christianity today, but some still retain the original ancestral Hausa pagan cultures. There are around 2-4 million of them.

prolog2:
You people talking here don't seem to have any idea of what you are saying.
I would like to know who you guys keep refferring to as "Bini people".
For your information Auchi and each part of Edo-state and Delta-state were part of the Benin Kingdom which was a precolonial African country lead by Omo n'Oba n'Edo.
Maps of Benin Kingdom:

This one dates to around 1699:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

Really, what is your point? Am I arguing this with you? Bini land and Bini kingdom were 2 different things na.

Auchi is not benin land but was part of Benin kingdom. I am not arguing.

MrMaestro:
Apparently Nollywood is VERY popular in Kenya huh?

Wonder why Kenyans are very much obsessed with Nigerians? This is the reason why.
People like mtis & TayserMahiri can never have enough of Nigerian obsession.

Igboesika:
The person that is quoting you and told you to start attacking Ipob online is nothing but an impostor. He's not whom you think he's. Funny enough you seem to be falling for his tricks. Ipob is simply asking for referendum.

Mind you, that I speak and live in Yoruba land and speak Yoruba doesn't mean that I am a Yoruba man. I know a lot of Igbo monikers here that can speak Yoruba fluently but you can never see them impersonating Yoruba, they are always proud of their IBO identity. There is one moniker here called "Nkwuocha" he speaks Yoruba, but he's not Yoruba. He's always proud of his IBO origin.
I want you to bring out your time (if you can) and go through all the posts of that person that quoted you and told you he's IBO, then come back and tell me if he's who he told you he is or not..
He only comment on Ipob thread from ist page to last page quoting everybody like a lunatic. Why is he afraid of disentegration if he's Igbo ?
You can never see the same character on Fulani thread condemning what's is going on, rather the only comment I saw him making on such thread is that Fulani has been in existence, that they should be left to go for their normal businesses, that its Ipob that's is making issue out it. I hope he has modified his comment that day after receiving several bashes from nairalanders.

Again he told you that Ipob swear an oath before recruiting members. I expected you to ask him the kind of oath they take if not normal oath people take when inducted in an organisation, for example, you take an oath during Nysc camping period, you take an oath in the church to abide by the rules and regulations in various organisation in the same church, even the president must take an oath bf becoming the president. I am very sure he used to word " oath " so that people will think that Ipob use human blood.


Do you know that the character behind that moniker is against restructuring ?

The reason why I quoted is because you seem to be carried away by his stupiid comment.

You said that you don't know that there are igbos that are against Biafra, its a lie. 30th may last year should have let you know the truth.
Every IBO man is sympathetic to Biafra, but only few are against the method Ipob is using to pursue Biafra. No average IBO man is again St Biafra. Only the elites and some of their partner's in crime among ibos are afraid of Biafra because they want the status quo to remain because they will be very irrelevant after Biafra is actualised ( You should know the fellings when people that use to respect you stopped respecting you all of a sudden)

The same nigga sometimes make good comment about Anambra so that it will look as if that's where he cam from. Just start monitoring him.

The Nig govt has used all sorts of propaganda to kill Ipob , yet all to know avail. As I am typing this Nig govt has created their own radio Biafra just to distablîze the struggle. They paid some people to start attacking Ipob online, yet all to no avail hence operation python dance, yet. Ipob is still waxing.

Do you know that the person behind that moniker has consistely called ipob terrorist, despite bn disagreed by IBO elders and he told you he's IBO and you believed ?
Do you know that the person behind that moniker is against restructuring ?
Don't be carried away by some stupiid animals on naira land.

Well, I am waiting for him to start quoting me since he's good at quoting anybody that comment on Ipob thread, be cause that is what he came to this world to do.
I hope he doesn't end up like his colleague " Ipobexposed"




If he's not afraid of disintegration, why was he indirectly discouraging you from agitating for independence of Tiv people by attacking the person that asked you to start mobilising your people now whether you have enough money or not.

It seems you are new on nairaland.

I repeat,start start monitoring him, you will see what i am saying , he quotes everbody that comments on Ipob thread, infact, to to you how miserable he is, he links some of his comments to Ipob even when such thread has nothing to do with Ipob, all in a bid to discred Ipob.

Stupidity @ its peak.

Hmm, just seeing this now.

I think I believe you, EternalTruths and Nonaira1.......Yyeske is not an Igbo man. I have really assessed his comments.

This should show us how desperate some people are.

OmenkaLives too is not a real Benue indigene as he claims.

sorry1:
Benin is the worst town in Nigeria with no dranaige system in the whole state. Ancient city my foot.

It is even better now, in the past, It was a disaster!

Benwems:
Auchi was never part of the bini land same way esan is not bini and there was no presence if the Binis' in Auchi as at the time of the jihad and even now. Go back a read your history books and get facts and reality right.

I never said Auchi was part of Bini land o. They are Edo descendants now and in extension Edo speaking people.

Bini people never fought fulanis did they? It was the Esans who repelled the nupe/fulanis, that was why the spread of islam was limited to Auchi.

Alariiwo:
Islam doesn't recognize feminism or whatever rubbish they call it.

The men with c.ocks are the head and it must remain so

It is obvious that you are a muslim fanatic

DerideGull:
At what point did they believe in One Arewa? Was it after the NPC led by Ahmadu Bello dealt a good number on Tiv, Igala and Idoma who supported UMBC under J. S. Tarka? It was Nigerian soldiers led by a son of Birom that killed many Tiv, Igala and Idoma people during the 1964 riot.

We know about the 1964 riot. Many tried to reject one Arewa but many also accepted and started joinning all manners of Arewa socio-cultural groups afterwards.

Middlebelters were not serious enough in their agitations to break out of the northern region of you ask me.

Odingo1:
But all northern muslims are obedient to fulani course whether they are conquered or converted, that submission is have trickled into yoruba muslims.

Yes, you have a very strong point here.

Even among the northern muslims, support to fulani course varies. The northerly you go it increases and the southerly you go it decreases.

For instance, Igala muslims are the least sympathetic to Fulani course,
followed by Ebira & Nasarawa muslims,
followed by Nupe & ilorin muslims (these ones are quite close to the fulanis and can even die for fulani cause).
Then you reach the Plateau indigene muslims, Taraba & Adamawa, Gombe tribal muslims e. t. c.( These ones are heavily dropping their language and cultures for Hausa and want to be like Hausa fulanis).

The worst of all are the Bauchi muslims. They have been completely hausanized and overrun by fulanis. They have lost their ethnic identity like the Hausas and are as worse as Hausas.


Fulani brought their sharia madness to the middlebelt and yoruba muslims in 2001. .... All yoruba muslim leaders rejected.
The governors of kogi, Nasarawa & Kwara who were muslims also rejected it..... Only Niger state accepted

The ones who rejected it still valued their culture and cultural brotherhood more than islam. Only Niger state people valued islam more.

This tells you that obedience to Fulani cause varies widely among northern muslims, but yes, all Nigerian muslims including Southern muslims (yoruba & Auchi, Edo) are all not necessarily obedient, but sympathetic to Fulani cause.

Odingo1:
The north believe that they are the one that brought Islam to yorubas by force, they refer yoruba muslims as fake because they refuse to accept islam as the northerners did, they said that yoruba muslims mix islam with idol worshiping and allow females to enter their mosque.

They are just very ignorant.

Yorubas received Islam through Mali hundreds of years before Danfodio.

Hausas also see middlebelt muslims as fake muslims, so yorubas aren't the only ones here.

It is also heavily caused by illiteracy. To the Hausa masses, anyone who doesn't speak Hausa fluently is not a true muslim.

Nupe, Bariba muslim people are under the emirate, but because many of them don't speak Hausa very well or speak Hausa with a heavy yoruba like accent. They are seen as fake muslims.

Odingo1:
But Kogi have high moslem population, there is a probability that they cross through kogi.

Haven't you also observed that most Kogi muslims are very very liberal compared to Hausas?

Most Igalas that call themselves muslims still worship idols and dance with masquerades.

Infact enter any Igala town during traditional day, muslims and christians leave their religions at home and celebrate the masquerades and idols together. And from the shrine, they can branch their mosques/churches....... This is same in most parts of Nasarawa. ...This tells you that the kind of islam these people practice and that of Hausa fulanis is not the same and never came through Danfodio.

Odingo1:
But Kogi have high moslem population, there is a probability that they cross through kogi.

Islam spread through trade in Kogi & majority of Nasarawa state, not because of conquest. This is why there is no single emirate in the entire Kogi state!

My hometown in Plateau state is 50% muslim. This did not happen through conquest, but through trade of my people with Bauchi tribes. This is why we have no business with any emirate!

DerideGull:
The above crap is in line with the saying that Ilorin was not taken by Caliphate but was defeated at Ogbomosho. It was a quagmire at Ogbomoso hence it was not administer by any emirate. All Benue and Taraba were under Bauchi or Adamawa emirates. This is one reason the people from these areas thought and fought as if Ahmadu Bello was their grandfather during Nigeria/Biafra war.

Why are you just saying nonsense here?

Can you show any proof when the Tivs or Jukuns were paying homage to any caliphate or emirate?

Benue & Taraba people defended the north because they believed in One Arewa in the past. Their fathers were deceived into believing in a united north which the British forced them into, not because they were ever under any emirate....


Fulanis took control of Ilorin as well as Nupe land through deception and internally. It was never a full scale invasion war and conquest...

Pls, educate yourself with more history to avoid embarrassing yourself in public.

Naaseer01:
lies lies lies

Dan fodio fought Hausa rulers only when they attack him first (for self defence)in order to stop him from preaching the true teaching of Islam which was diluted at that time by the Hausa King with Idol worshiping like tsumburbura and barbushe idols in kano. and that's is what Dan fodio fought against. he was attacked, his students killed, their wealth burnt down by those rulers just because he preachea against mixing Islam with idol worshiping. and that is when he took the action of self defence.

he did not fight to rule totally but to ensure true teaching of Islam and fought against those tyrant rulers of that time who are dictators and oppressors of their subject. that is even why he get support of local Hausa people there.

Note : any other reason you would get is fabricated by the enemies of Islam. if you want to know shehu Dan fodio , go and read his book and what he teach. and you will know the true reason why he fought those rulers. and yes the entire nigerian Muslims are happy he did because if not we would not find a true Islam as we did today

This is the useless lie that you fulanis spread to deceive gullible northerners ba? Don't worry, we are in the age of enlightenment, that lie will soon be fully exposed.

Islam was never ' purified by Danfodio' (as you claim) in Kanuri land, Igala land and Yoruba land. .....

So, are you saying that Kanuri muslims, Igala muslims & Yoruba muslims who defeated your Danfodio are not true muslims today?

DerideGull:
The Caliphate soldiers were stopped at Igbo-Eze and Nsukka axis during the war termed Hauaa\Akegbe war.

This is a nonsense lie that I see some Igbos ignorantly spreading on nairaland.

Igbos never encountered the fulanis at anytime in battle because the fulanis could not penetrate Benue & Igala land.
Did they fly over Benue/Kogi to get to the Igbos?

Igbos never fought fulanis nor had any contact with them until the British colonialists came.

You guys should stop spreading this lie with immediate effect and making fools of yourselves!

PrecisionFx:
NE wasn't conquered by the Fulani

The majority of Bauchi, Gombe, Yobe and parts of Adamawa and Taraba were conquered and is still being ruled by the fulanis today.

Asquare84:
Op. You need to add how the jihad was stop in benue state because usman dan fodio has already hosted his flag in the Atlantic ocean, thank God for the corregous effort of benue warrior if not the whole of Nigeria would av been islamise. How benue manage to stop the jihad is a whole topic for another day

Benue people were not the only ones in the middlebelt to resist jihad and defeat the fulanis, let alone the entire present day Nigeria.

Jukun people (of Wukari, Taraba south) also defeated and resisted the fulani caliphate.
Plateau & Southern Kaduna people also did.

Igalas also did.

Numan confederacy of Adamawa south also resisted the fulanis.

In the South, Yoruba people defeated the fulani jihadists at Ogbomosho. Edo people defeated the jihadists at Esan axis.

Benwems:
The post did not say how Usman Dan Fabio took otiapepe (rat killer) and killed himself when he couldn't defeat the rugged and warriors of Benin (BINI) kingdom.

Don't forget that the Nupe/Fulani jihadists conquered and annexed Auchi people (who were also a branch of Edo people).....
I think it was shameful that the great Bini kingdom allowed that.

DerideGull:
All Tiv lands were under the authority of the emirates, Bauchi or Adamawa.

Absolute trash and nonsense.

Not even Wukari in Taraba or Numan in Adamawa state was ever under fulani control or emirate, let alone the Tivs.

The British colonialists tried to fraudulently group Plateau people under Bauchi emirate during the indirect rule, but it was heavily resisted by Plateau people.

stillseth:
That's how Fulani people also took Kwara state too.....didn't know they took the north from the Hausas...abeg where these Fulani people migrate from sef.

They came from Futa jallo & Futa toro in Guinea/Senegal.

They are believed to be an ancient breed of north african berbers/arabs and west african peoples, just like the Touaregs.

TheKingIsHere:
Wait o, that's means Daura, Buhari's so called village actually belonged to the hausas.

The entire north-west (except for Southern Kaduna, Southern Kebbi and parts of extreme Zamfara south) belong to the Hausas. It is Hausa homeland.

Fulanis did not have any homeland in Nigeria until 200-300 years ago when they invaded us here.....

Fineman87:
The fulanis are not dominating nigeria. How many fulanis have ruled nigeria. Obasanjo, jonathan, azikiwe, shonekan, aguiyi ironsi, orizu nwafor etc all held sway in nigeria at certain times. Please stop misleading the world with your ignorant trash.

Yaradua
Shehu Shagari &
Buhari are all fulanis.

Others like
Tafawa Balewa
IBB
Abdulsalami
Abacha
Yakubu Gowon &
Murtala Mohammed who were not fulanis were all pro-caliphate and in extension pro-fulanis..... So, it makes no much difference.

kennieG:
HIV/AIDS still remain a mystery which l think devil used it to punish dis sinful world. Wonderful transformation.. I wish all our corrupt politicians can be punished with it

The whole world or Africa?

gmoni2:
why can't they do the same in Guinea, Sekou Toure nearly wiped all of them in Guinea. they can't try all these shit in Guinea, the Mandingo's and susu will slaughter them..

Gbam!

It is because fullanis merged with Hausa in Nigeria which was heavily supported by the British, that is why fulanis have so much power in Nigeria.


In Senegal, where the fulanis originated, they were badly dealt with and placed under by the Wolof people.

In Guinea where they also originated, they are the majority there o, but the Mandinka & Susu united there with the other minority tribes and are dealing with them over there and subjugating them there.

Fulanis cannot dare display their madness in Mali or Burkina faso. The Bambara & Mossi people will use them for Suya over there.

At the time of independence in Cameroon, fulanis were initially dominating, but now, the other tribes of Cameroon have cut them into bits and placed them where they belonged.

Even in Niger republic where there are millions of fulanis with majority Hausa population, yet the Zarma people are in charge.

Only in Nigeria & Gambia do the fulanis seem to be dominating.