₦airaland Forum

pansophist:
The notion that Africans sold themselves into slavery is a eurocentric doctrine that aims to share the blame and make it seems like the horrors of the transatlantic slave trade are merely transactions that both parties agree to. Instead of unquestionably accepting such notion as a gospel truth, an ordinary curiosity and analyzation will show that it is a historical lie that is still being taught to people worldwide.

If truly, Africans sold themselves into slavery, why is such notion only preached in eurocentric books? why are there no pieces of evidence from the participating African tribes such as linguistic, fairy tales, slaves hosting sites, paintings, etc showing these? Put in mind that slave trade exists for about 300 years. It is impossible for the evidence of such a massive historical event to be reduced to claims that Africans sold each other.

In the book ''How Europe Underdeveloped Africa'', the author described how the white author of a book on the slave trade admitted that he was encouraged by other scholars to blame the slave trade solely on the Africans. This narrative helps to lessen European guilt by making Africans seem just as or even more guilty of being involved in the slave trade.

The holocaust even if fewer in numbers compared to the slave trade and shorter in time span, the evidence documenting its existence is overwhelming such as words of mouth, survivors, extermination camps, pictures etc. To believe that Africans actually sold themselves into slavery, a transaction that they loosed from is wrong. And if we actually did, you would imagine the kind of hate that exists between us to be able to sell off over hundred million people of our kind. Don't expect the guilty to tell you the truth, use your common sense.

If Africans did not engage in slave trade, then, what exactly did we trade with Europeans to get mirrors and gun powder?

Face it, Europeans did not know African territory enough for them to be able to kidnap such outrageously high number of slaves.

Before the coming of the Europeans, Africans enslaved each other. Many owned slaves and this even existed in some parts of Nigeria up to the mid 20th century. So why do you think it would be so difficult for these Africans to sell their slaves?
Don't forget that we have stories like that of King Jaja of Opobo who was kidnapped at childhood and sold as a slave. He was not kidnapped from his village by white men, was he? No. Common sense had to tell you that fellow Africans acted as the middlemen in this trade.

White men did not have the ability to abduct hundreds of thousands of Africans in these thick rainforest (village by village) on their own, without the help fellow African middlemen.

Besides, are our politicians not selling us out today? Can't you see the way foreigners like Lebanese, Chinese and Indians are abusing and exploiting Nigerians on our own soil today? And they do this with all confidence and backing of our leaders who are easily bribed. Now, tell me, if all this can play out in present day, how much more an uncivilized and more cruel era centuries ago?

Nigeria is just so unique and complicated.

The same way Southerners think Yoruba Muslims are the betrayals in the Southern alliance, that is the same way Northerners feel middlebelt Christians are betrayals to Arewa unity.

OBO! After you na you.

codemaniacs:
black people never sold other black people into slavery... Like sukkot said, history is whitewashed... they have been and are doing everything possible to make black people hate each other...

black americans were revolting against the whites... why would white people get black people from Africa to join other black americans that were revolting against them... In Africa, black people were also fighting them until the early 1900s that's why we have our native languages intact unlike black americans... black americans were enslaved in America...

All the slaves sites you see in Africa were built to manipulate history.

Africa was the richest and most peaceful continent, that's why they didn't make most of the weapons you're seeing today, it was too peaceful for violence...

the slavery you're talking about is what you are currently living in, its called economic slavery and mental slavery...

black people shared things in the past there was no buying and selling..

you don't know what you are saying. Black africans sold slaves to the europeans during the slave trade.
Why do you think it was called slave trade?

ibkayee:
Lmao
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Arabs can be extremely anti black, didn't their slave trade even start before and last longer than the transatlantic one? And we're still hearing about cases as recent as the 21st century. Last place I'd visit tbh

And who were the ones selling the slaves? Was it not the same black people who were selling fellow black people as slaves to these whites and arabs? I don't understnd how you guys be hating others on our self-inflicted problems.

sukkot:
but these things can be hidden. you can pretend to be rich, you can pretend to be from another tribe however when it is about your skin color you cant hide it, you are a walking target. that is more deadly

So, is this a good enough reason for we Nigerians to accuse others of something we are also guilty of?

Black people have given themselves a bad name, and this is not just about skin colour. Cant you see the way Nigerians for instance are exporting criminality and prostitution all over? If we are discriminated, we should blame our own selves.

sukkot:
yeah if you are a tourist spending money in their country. however if you go there to look for a job and you are poor ? you will catch their wrath

What you just wrote here is common all over the world (especially in 3rd world countries where there is a wider gap btw the rich and the poor.

Dont we Nigerians also discrimimate and trample upon each other? Heck, richer Nigerians despise poorer Nigerians!
What about tribal and religious discrimination here in Nigeria amongst ourselves?

In places like India, discrimination is worst! The richer and lighter skinned Indians treat the poorer and darker skinned Indians from lower castes like filthy trash, just as they would treat a Black african (especially one who is poor).

Edoziesmart:
I can see that black are cursed from birth.
It is very rare to see an Africa country inhabited by negros to be developed like what I'm seeing on this thread.
See how all the whole countries in north Africa is developing rapidly while many countries in west Africa still live in a substandard house with mud brick and thatch roof.
God why did I found my self in this hell called west Africa most especially being a Nigerian.

Before Nigeria will compete with northern Africa as a whole in development i guess it most reach a century.

The only thing our leaders know is to loot our money to Switzerland, without caring for the poor masses.

Algeria1 keep up with the good work.
I'm enjoying the this thread to the fullness.

At the beginning, the black race was great, but we later lost it. I hope we find our feet back in our own lifetime.

Rilwayne001:
Pyramids of Egypt were built by black Africans? Black African slaves, init?

I doubt I'll ever visit most of those Arab countries too. I hate racism. I hate racist.

Yes, Ancient Egyptians were black people. (Although, lighter skinned than us). We have the same hair and skin texture.
Europeans have only tried to rewrite history in order to deny us of our historical heritage.

However, why does it seem that people do not talk about the pyramids of Sudan? Sudan has more pyramids than Egypt and the Sudanese pyramids were build by the Nubians who are fully black (dark skinned) just like us. And the Nubian civilization was as rich as that of Egypt.

salford1:
I appreciate the beauty of Algeria and some other arab countries in the middle east like dubai or qatar, but i would never visit.

This is where many of you miss it. Algeria is not an arab country by culture, ancestry or heritage. They are maghrebis, together with Moroccans and Tunisians. They themselves adress arab people as arab people.
Their cultures and way of life is quite different from that of arabs.

qualityGod:
Some Dubai citizens are black and because of UAE international tourist commerlization they have to do away with racism by reviewing it's own constitution but Algerians hatred for the blacks is hyper

sukkot:
lol i dont see a single black man there. in fact i never heard a black person say they want to go to algeria. why ? because you can be sold into slavery. mauritania which is just down the road they still have modern day slavery of black people. its an islamic country. the safest islamic country in that region for black people is egypt

What you my fellow compatriots are saying about Algeria is not true.
Initially, i myself used to believe that all North africans hate and despise we Black africans, but that is far from truth.
I cannot speak for Egypt and Libya because these ones have a stronger arabic culture, but as for the Maghrebis (Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians), they are quite a group of friendly and civilized people. They are very moderate and liberalized muslims, unlike the extremist muslims we have in Nigeria. Most of their ladies do not even wear hijab in the cities. I think we tend to judge them too negatively because they are muslims. They are just like the Turkish and Central asian muslims (Very liberal).

obonujoker:
These are Legends....

King sunny Ade
Victor Uwaifo
Onyeka onwenu
Tuface
Dagrin

which stupid wizkid and olamide are legends??

ObaFemy:
The legends are:

Fela Anikulapo Kuti, King Sunny Ade, Ebenezer Obey, Oliver D'coque, Victor Uwaifo, Majek Fashek, Femi Kuti
, Onyeka Owenu.

...The rest are just pretenders, especially the hip hop cats and those new school guys claiming to be doing Afro Beats.

modelmike7:
These are the legend of the game, The Likes of Sunny Ade, Sunny Okposu, Ebenezer Obey,Fela anikulapo kuti, IK dairo ,Onyenka Onwenu ,Zaaki ,Orlando owoh, Victor Olaiya etc......

Nigerians have a problem of not comprehending questions or write-ups before we comment.

The question did not say list 'old school' Nigerian music legends, rather it says 'contemporary (modern)' Nigerian music legends.
There is big difference btw both. People like Onyeka onwendu, fela, sunny ade e.t.c are not contemporary Nigerian musicians.

TundeHashim:
probably u read about the shuwa Arabs from Wikipedia. while I don't dispute the fact that the bulk of shuwa Arabs, today in Nigeria, live within the territories of Borno ( borno and yobe). And the reason for that was because they were invited by sheik el-Kanem to halt the jihad going on in Borno and to that extent, they were completely successful.

However, prior to the ancestors of the modern shuwa Arabs in borno, some shuwa Arabs had emigrated to nupe and Yoruba territories. if you read the history of bida emirate, there were Shuwa Arabs in the court includingof Etsu Majiya even before the arrival of mallam dendo. in adamawa, they were Shuwa Arabs in Yola. Most of these shuwa, adopted Fula identity. even rumor has it that the Yar'aduas are Tuaregs and not Fula. it's not all Fulani you see that have Fula ancestry right from the go...And you knkw it's easier for a Shuwa/Tuareg to claim a Fulani identity than other Africans. That reminds me, a friend of mine from lafiagi actually descended from the Tuaregs..but today, due to the intermarriage between them and the Fula nobility in that town, they identify as Fulanis.

An uncle of mine is married to a shuwa arab woman. I am from northern Nigeria.. So, don't think everyone you meet here is a yoruba or Igbo person.

Well, i have seen the misunderstanding here. I based my assertion on the modern day shuwa arabs of Borno/Yobe, whereas you on the other hand are coming from a historical perspective.

Present day shuwa arabs of Nigeria are more or less tied/connected to Kanuris than fulanis. so i think you should have specified the fact that you were referring to the older shuwa arabs who settled in elsewhere in geographical Nigeria, in order to avoid misleading others.

Markfemi:
Spoken like a true ILLITRATE part of lokoja in Kofi west belongs to Yoruba people

Just go through your comment again, you cannot even spell illiterate properly. And pls it is KOGI and not KOFI. Go and ask for a refund of your school fees.

Besides, i never argued about Okun people being in Lokoja, did i? I only said that Kogi west senatorial district is not 100% yoruba, and unless you can provide facts do dispute that, keep shut!

TundeHashim:
Lol...it's funny how people who know close to nothing about Ilorin history claim to be an authority on Ilorin. Some people, having read some discredited works claim to know Ilorin even much more than the Emir. so funny.


First and foremost, The Sarakis claim to originate from Agbaji Quarters, specifically at "Ile Agoro". Further checks on Agbaji itself and Agoro shows that the progenitor of the Agoro compound is NEITHER Fulani Nor Yoruba. In fact, He's a SHUWA ARAB who migrated from a Sudan via Mali to Ilorin. The name Agbaji is a Yoruba version of the town they come from "Al-barji" in the Sudan.

However, Most people classify SHUWA as FULANI just because of the close similarities between them.

one thing of note is that there's a Fulanization of the shuwa/tuareg in most Emirates. most shuwa, on account of close similarity with the Fulani, would just subsume their identities under that of the Fula identity, and interestingly they're welcome. Also, They're culturally Yoruba because they've assimilated the Yoruba culture, to a great extent.

So it is true, to an extent, that Saraki is a Fulani and a Yoruba man. it is also true that Saraki is not a Fulani nor Yoruba. However, what is true at all time is that Saraki is an Ilorin man!

Thank u

Pls, are you for real with your 2nd and 3rd paragraph? Fulanization of shuwa Arabs? Where is that happening?
If you had said Kanuri-nization of the shuwa Arabs, it would be more reasonable, b cos all the Shuwa Arabs in Nigeria and to an extent Niger republic are living and settled in the midst of Kanuris in Kanuri homeland as nomads and as such almost all shuwa Arabs speak Kanuri as a 2nd language and heavily intermarry with Kanuris than they do with fulanis.

TundeHashim:
bro...while I completely agree with u that there's a cultural assimilation in Ilorin...I am, however indifferent about whether Saraki is a Yoruba or not. however, u made an error. The Balogun Fulani have paternal Fulani ancestry traceable to a particular quarters in Kebbi. I'm Fulani and I've got relatives married to the olufadi and imam-Fulani clans. However, you're absolutely right if you had said Balogun Gambari. I presume you know they're four Baloguns in Ilorin. Two Yorubas(Ajikobi and Alanamu), One Hausa(Gambari) and one Fulani (Fulani). Some crazy power play happened in Balogun Gambari quarters that eventually led to a Yoruba man (murogo) becoming a Balogun Gambari. But we're all one..a big family bounded by an Islamic identity headed under the leadership of the house of Alimi...

You are a fulani man and you are answering Tunde? I smell identity crisis here. Can you still speak fulfude and do you still practice pulaar culture?

Face it! You are more or less a yorubanized fulani, just as the millions of fulanis in the northwest have become Hausanized fulanis.

Markfemi:
The dominant group in ilorin is Fulani not the whole of Kwara
Kogi West is 100% Yoruba

Kogi West is not 100% yoruba.
Lokoja and Kogi LGAs are dominated by Ebira koto and Nupe speaking tribes like Kakanda, Kupa and Bassa. A non yoruba was once senator of Kogi West.

We African youths are the cause. We have sold our birthright. We have no unity of cause and purpose amongst ourselves. A lot of us are also very unserious and childish.

It is both a blessing and a curse at the same time.

Igbos born outside igbo land are heavily loosing their cultural values and traditions if you ask me and at the same time partially hindering the massive development of their own homeland.

bakynes:
You yourself know the SE is empty, everyone has left there just d few commercial part like Onitsha,Aba,Nnewi.

Which Ogun state are you talking about is the one Igbos are now migrating to because of its proximity to Lagos ?You know SW is bigger than SS and the SE is just about the size of Oyo state alone so we still have enough lands.

Aside PH, Uyo,I don't think any city in the SS or SE can match Ibadan.

Calabar is better than Ibadan. Cleaner, saner, finer and better structured than Ibadan. Ibadan is just big in size with 80% of the city made up of slums and dilapidated old brown roof houses.
I would rather live in Warri, Delta state than in Ibadan.

As a man you just have to work harder to measure up to her before marriage. Money is a spirit, it is quite difficult to control the character that comes with money. Only few women would still be submissive and respectful if they earn more than their partners.

Southern Nigerians hate Northern Nigerians a lot. Why? The hatred is too much.
If this event was done in Lagos or anywhere else in the south, northerners won't complain.

CEEcey:
Look at their faces


Why must it be in the North?

Nonsense!!!

ElPadrino33:
Wow. I expected that the only Nigerian case would come from a certain region and I was not surprised.

Actually Mum zi the Nigerian case was from Cross River and not Northern Nigeria.

Bari22:
You see, you cant see this kind ofa thing in all Muslim dominated areas in northern Nigeria. But southern Kaduna, Jos, Benue and some part of kogi that are Christians dominated areas.

Please let me ask is Adultery, formication, gambling, nudity, allowed in Christianity?

Because the above mentioned are easiest ways to identify a Christian in Nigeria anywhere

Rubbish! Worse than this happens in the core north. Hausa fulani muslims are the worst hypocrites in this aspect.
All your ladies who wear big hijabs without anything under. Some of them hide men in their hijabs. Ask male youth corpers who served in hausa Muslim areas to tell you the way your ladies throw themselves free of charge to strangers.

GoodGuysGoodGir:
these Yoruba people are demons disguising as humans I swear. Only him with 7 human heads, shey na WATERMELON. don't blame them though since they believed that their demonic folklore that said their ancestors fell from the sky and hit their heads on the hills of Abeokuta abi na Ife.... Mumu people

Seriously, i have started avoiding Yorubas and Yoruba land like a plague, these people are very demonic
Heartless fetish human beings!

Hmm, So TashaMaria and metissa (TayserMahiri mtis) are still sleeping on this thread?!

oladeebo:
yah, you may not know;
Igbo take christian religion to the level of Zero tolerance!
but that's not so in Yoruba land, Yoruba is moderate in any religion the reason our home is mixed, how can Afenifere didn't see the religion fanaticism in Igbo?

Mr man, you are just ranting everywhere like a mad dog

Southern unity has come to stay, even we in the middlebelt will soon join the Southern unity in order to make it Southern /middlebelt unity for restructuring of Nigeria.

You are free to relocate to Jigawa, katsina or Zanfara state so you can join your fellow religious bigots !

Madeu:
You are not seeing the failure of Nigeria as a result of having two dominant religion and among other things. Religion is also cultural practices.
Don't use America as an example. 77% of Americans are of white and European descent. While 23% are different minorities group.
No nation with two dominant culture and religion progresses. Cultural clashes will always occur.
Great Empires in history scrumbled because of different cultures and religions.

As much as you are correct, what can we do about it?

Besides, what can we say about Somalia, a country with one ethnic group, one language and one religion, yet it is a failed nation while a country like Belgium is almost divided 50-50 between the french and Dutch speakers, yet very progressive
Tanzania is also divided almost 50-50 btw Muslims and christians with so many tribes (no majority tribe), yet is a very peaceful nation compared to most African countries

Nikbaebrown:
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Keep Kwayet!! Theres Nothing Like 50/50 Divide in kaduna And gombe. Out Of The 3 Senatorial Districts In Kaduna, Indeginous Muslims Own 2. And adamawa is part of middle belt but vastly populated with muslims.

Plus The Christian Dominated Parts Of Middlebelt Are Kogi, Benue, Plateau . Kwara, Nasarawa, Niger, Adamawa, FCT And Perhaps Taraba States Are Muslim Dominated.

How Am I Sure You've Ever Been To Any Of These States??

You are the one to keep quiet. kaduna state is 50- 50, or christians are even more
Since when has senatorial district been a criteria to ascertain the majority of a state? Can you tell me on what basis were the senatorial districts created?

Even if we go by your analogy of senatorial districts
The entire kaduna south is dominated by christians. No single Muslim dominated LGA there, meanwhile in your Muslim kaduna north, Lere LGA is christian dominated

Meanwhile only a big fool will say kaduna central is owned by Muslims. Chikun and kaduna south which are the 2 most populated LGAs there are christian dominated. kajuru LGA is also christian dominated, so, can you tell me hw Muslims own 2 senatorial districts in kaduna?

Only Niger and kwara are Muslim dominated! Adanawa, Nasarawa and Taraba are not Muslim dominated

Terrible

EvilMetahuman:
[s][/s]who gave a fhuck where a brainless dunce came from?

This thread is about yorubas and for yorubas.

Brainless dolts are not welcome here.

Yeah, the thread is for only ritualists. Continue. May your god of human rituals locate u and your family members very soon, so you can taste the true joy and sweetness of traditionalism

muyinet:
Tell me how many death have been recorded this year from ritualist compared to the numbers of death from boko haram and ISIS

Everyone knows Islam is a problematic religion. Can u ever say that about christianity?
The advantages of christianity far outnumber what our useless traditional religions which kept our continent in darkness could not do for us!