₦airaland Forum

fratermathy:
Yes I do. For starters, they have densely populated States in the SW and NC including Lagos (where more than 60% of the population are Yorubas), Kogi, Kwara, etc. They also extend to Togo and Benin Republic.

Yorubas also have a strong diasporan presence across Nigeria, Europe and America.

We haven't even included runaway Yoruba tribes/enclaves in the SS such as Delta and Edo.

Yorubas just don't brag with their population. If a real census is done like, the margin of difference between Hausa and Yoruba populations won't be too far apart.

Ethnic Hausas are not as much as you think. Take it from me.

As for yorubas and Igbos, i think they may be equal. But if you add Delta Igbos and all Igbo speaking tribes in Rivers to Igbo population, i think they would likely outnumber Yorubas and be the single largest ethnic group in Nigeria.

TheArchangel:
how many ethnic groups make up the north?

Hundreds of ethnic group make up the north. In Kaduna state alone, you have about 50 distinct ethnic groups and Hausa is just one of them.
In Adamawa state you have about 60 distinct ethnic groups and Hausa is none of them.

fratermathy:
More than enough but Hausas exist in ALL of the Northern States save for Benue, Kogi and Kwara. So Sanchez01 is right for using the North to represent Hausa-Fulani just like the East is used to represent Igbo even though there are Igala and Idoma minorities there in border states.


What we want to know is how Igbos have 50million people when Nigeria's total population is 150million+ and Hausas+Yoruba have 100million+ combined while the South South has no less than 20million+.

Pls stop this silly generalization. Hausas are not indigenous to most northern states.

There are no Hausa indigenes or Hausa indigenous communities in Plateau, Taraba, Adamawa, Gombe, Borno, Yobe and Southern Kaduna. Hausas in these places are all settlers.

I am from the north. Take it from me. Igbos outnumber pure Hausas in population. The mistake many of you make is generalizing all northern states as Hausas simply because Hausa is a lingua franca.

There are only 5 states in the entire north where Hausas are overwhelming in population (Kano, Sokoto, Zamfara, Jigawa & Katsina). And even among these core Hausa states, there are still indigenous minority groups in Jigawa, Kano & Zamfara.

Kaduna & Kebbi have about 50% Hausa population each. While Hausas are minorities and non-indigenes in all other northern states.

So, TheArchangel is correct and Sanchez01 is wrong.

itiswellandwell:
Nice one. This can't be in Nigeria sha

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It's in Nigeria. Can't you see the cultural attires

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Josh44s:
I checked through all the upcoming programs in super-sport channels to find the match but am not seeing it. DSTv not showing it live? Abi my subscription done expire

There is a whole new channel dedicated to this fight. It has been on Dstv for weeks now. The new channel os just before the Supersports channels. Check for it

softwerk:
Now that's an original Cassava

The difference is the taste and the taste is the difference - indomie

Hahahaha , you are mad

YourTerror:
God Bless Nnamdi Kanu.

God bless the Afonja marriage.

I wonder why this Igbo boy will leave all our beautiful girls and head to the West for wife.

After all the money his parents spent on him in Anambra, its Oil and Pepper that he wants to lick all his life. What happened to our Onugbu, Nsala and Ofeakwu soup? Can this Afonja lady prepare these? Can she!

And why the fucck is that boy dressed like an Hausa man? These are Igbo hybrids we don't need at all. Probably his father is Igbo and Mother Hausa. Now he has married a Westerner to continue the dissolution of the Super Igbo DNA. I don't really like this marriage. Am angry now.

Young man better do the needful and divorce this lady ASAP and head back home for a wife material.

There are countless Igbo men marrying from other parts of Nigeria. I have even seen Igbo men who married Hausa and Yoruba muslim women.
Love does not know ethnicity, religion, race or colour.

Wish them a happy married life and stop promoting tribalism.

Cubeet2:
Apart from the indigenous people of Plateau, Nasarawa, Benue, Kogi who are friendly, welcoming and Non Violent, others are a no-near people

Just say middlebelters. Hausa-fulanis (core-northerners) are the problem. They are extremists.

shachris02:
When the news broke that Etisalat is going going to be managed by Nigerians, I immediately knew that the end has come for that once flourishing network...the best we've ever had.

Since after the handover, I've been experiencing glitches that affirm my suspicions the more that it's only downhill from here. These guys are going to run this network aground.

Take for instance this network challenge that I've been experiencing since the past two days. Something I've never heard of in the days of Etisalat. I called and was informed that it's a general issue. People in my area have not been able to browse for 2days now and 9 mobile abi 419mobile has not as much as issued at least a public acknowledgement to reassure us that they are working on it.

Same thing with Glo...Crab. Glo is being run like an LGA firm.

The same Etisalat that was been managed by the Arabs...same equipments... nothing has changed except management.

This is what is wrong with the black mind.

I think it is based on your location OP. Mine has been working very well.
Besides, even during the Etisalat days, i also experience network blackout for hours and even days.

freshest4live:
You are 90% right.
South South is majorly the oil rich region, however the militants or Avengers are majorly the ljaws(by tribe) and they fight the Government because their land has been polluted by oil spills, they then destroy oil pipelines which reduce output, so as to get the attention of the federal Government.
During the Obasanjo administration, they also kidnapped expatriates and sometimes attacked federal institutions in order to get the stubborn Obasanjo bargaining. Obasanjo however was hell bent on completely alienating them. The late Yar Adua took a completely different approach that guaranteed peace in the region for a while. Most of these avengers and militants fight for selfish reasons though.
[/b]The core Northerners are strict Muslims and 12 states were allowed to practice sharia, but for a long time they unified themselves with the middle belt using the Hausa language, and so the southerners with little knowledge of the North, grouped the entire middle belt and North as one, they are all reffered to as Hausa by many Southerners, which is of course far from the truth.[b]
BokoHaram however is majorly based in the Sambisa Forest of Borno state. It is said that Sambisa forest alone is bigger than some states in Nigeria including Lagos(surprising ahn!).
At the moment BokoHaram suicide bombers attack soft targets in Borno state blowing themselves up, with some parents giving their children out to be used as suicide bombers.
I believe the war against BokoHaram in the North East should also include reorientation and a new ideology, because it seems the more we kill them the more they recruit from the populace and from Niger and Chad.

@the bolded. The unification of core-northerners and middlebelters with Hausa language was clearly the handiwork of the manipulative British colonialists who wanted to make the Hausa-fulanis more powerful and influential to continue to lord over other Nigerians.

And they did not just do this by language alone, but by annexing many middlebelt groups and classifying them under emirates, creating many fake emirates in middlebelt areas and planting fake Hausa/fulani settlements in the midst of our people.
This is something the current middlebelters and northern minorities must correct in time.

mtis:
So this is a rough know how on naija...
South South ...River people an avengers
South west.....Yoruba
South east....igbo
Middle belters...Nowenuse folks
Northern ...the crazies an boko boys an also awesome kingdoms

Am I correct or what?

freshest4live has given you a good description of Nigerian populace. So, can you please give us the regional breakdown of Kenyan population classification?

Ok good

deedeedee1:
There is no country in Europe that is less progressive and peaceful that Belgium and Switzerland. Unless of course you are talking about the terrorist attacks some of them are going through, but those attacks are caused by immigrants.

Are you sure you know Europe at all? Or do you think Europe begins and ends with Western Europe?

Do you know that some African countries have a higher income per capital than many Eastern European countries?

Can you compare a country like Portugal or Greece to Switzerland?

deedeedee1:
How many tribes are in the core north? Have you been to North to know that they are peaceful there?
See mr, i am a Yoruba man and i am not ready to let go of my culture, Language, and tradition because of a British experiment caled Niger-Area.
I will rather will Yorubas leave Nigeria and develop at our pace.

Yes i have been to the core-north and speak Hausa fluently.

There are many tribes in the core-north, you just haven't heard of them. Yobe state alone has at least 10 tribes, likewise Kebbi state.

I am not asking you to give up your culture for Nigeria. That would be for all Nigerians to decide.

And try to do more of the seccession preaching to your yoruba muslims, cos youruba muslims are among the strongest One Nigerianists.

deedeedee1:
List the mono-ethnic European nations

No, i think you should list the European nations that are more progressive and peaceful than Belgium and Switzerland! (Apart from Scandinavian countries).

deedeedee1:
You cannot promote Nationalism over tribalism. Tribalism is someone's love for his/her tribe. Why do you keep mentioning Tanzania? What about other African countries? Lols! Northern Nigeria? You are joking right? The North only seem united because(1) Hausas are the only largest ethnic group unlike the south where we have 2
(2) They are united for two things which are Crude oil and access to sea! They know that without the south, things will not go easy for them.
The north are not united in anyway. You have not heard of the crises betweed the Tivs and Fulanis? What of Kanuri's boko haram?
You cant promote Nationality above someone else's native language and culture. If it was that easy, then Nigeria would have suceeded. Even the Hausas that shout "one Nigeria" everywhere wont encourage such bullshhit!

I keep on mentioning Tanzania because Nationality was radically promoted over tribe there with Swahili as the unifying language and culture for all tribes and it worked perfectly well.
Today in Tanzania, tribal differences are extinct, even though they have up to 50 tribes there, they all see themselves as one. Tribe means nothing to them, anyone trying to promote tribalism there is virtually seen as a mad person. So, it is very possible for Nationalism to be promoted over tribalism, if the right steps are taken.

I said the North is united (the core-north especially) and not really the entire middlebelt. well, let me say northern muslims. Your claims to core-northern unity of oil holds no water because the region was united before oil was discovered.
It's also not about Hausa being the single majority group. Igbos were also the single majority group of the old Eastern region, but why is there no strong bond btw the Igbos and other Eastern minorities? I think this was simply because the Igbos failed to radically promote regionalism and regional identity unlike the way the Northerners radically promoted Arewa.

Is Kanuri boko haram a tribal issue? Nawa for you o.

deedeedee1:
Belgium is not monoethnic but the indigenous french and dutch speaking tribes do not like themselves. They have been able to caution themselves a little due to
(1) The two tribes have big brothers in seperate nations.
(2) There are just three ethnic groups in Belgium namely: (a) French making up 30 percent of the country, (b) Dutch ethnic making up 58-60 percent of the country, (c) German ethnic making up 1 percent.
The French and Dutch speaking people dont get along

They do not get along, then how come their nation is still very peaceful and progressive than many other mono-ethnic European nations?

Demmzy15:
Who made you the spokesperson for Yoruba Muslims? Virtually all the Yoruba Muslims I know on Nairaland are of the opinion that Nigeria should split, not because of hate or selfishness but for the greater good. I'm always annoyed when you guys make annoying rhetorics like "especially Yoruba Muslims"

**spits **

Are you just talking for talking sake or what?

Read the opinion of your people (mostly yoruba muslims) on facebook below in this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/3961021/yorubas-react-yolicom-call-oduduwa

Only on Nairaland we see empty invisible yorubas who claim not to want one Nigeria, but in reality, it's something else.

Spits catarrh back!

Why do all these kind of things always happen in Yoruba land? What is really wrong with these people?

Lord Lugard, it shall not be well with you.

deedeedee1:
Many European countries are split along ethnic lines. Germany and Austrians are same Germans. Italy, Norway, Iceland, Greece, Malta, Poland. Czech republic, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, ireland e.t.c Even the uk is split along ethnic lines. England for English people, northern Ireland for Irish people, wales for welsh Ethnic.
So yeah, most European countries are either mono-ethnic or have one ethnic making up about 90 percent of the population. Some Asian countries are also like this
Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausas are very large Nations that can survive on their own.

What about Switzerland & Belgium? Are they mono-ethnic? NO, yet they are even more peaceful and progressive than most mono-ethnic European nations.

deedeedee1:
We dont have to be the only ethnically diverse country before we know the damage it has and will cause us in the nearest future. Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausas are very large nations that can survive on their own.

Then pls, start the radical evangelism of seperatism to your own people. Yorubas are one of the biggest supporters of One Nigeria, especially the yoruba muslims. Ranting on nairaland is not enough. 90% of yorubas still prefer one Nigeria.

obailala:
1. Nigeria isnt the only ethnically diverse country.
2. Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa are not the only tribes in Nigeria (just incase you have forgotten).

Leadership wisdom and maturity are the only things that can kill tribalism. If you seperate Biafra today (i.e. the old Biafra which includes Efik, Ibibio, Ikom, Ogoja, Annang, Calabari, Ikwerre, Anioma, Okrika, Izon, Ndoni etc.), without leadership wisdom and maturity on the part of the people, the menace of tribalism will still be fully blown; only difference is that the central Igbos would then be the biggest oppressors of the other over 50 tribes and there would be no other big tribes (i.e. Yoruba + Hausa) to 'compete' with the Igbos.

Even within the 5 states of the SE which have a fairly homogeneous language, we still actively see a lot of tribal/regional segregation. Was it not Abia state which sacked and refused to employ Imo and Anambra indigenes?... I had a lecturer in FUTO (a federal uni) who after decades of academic service, couldnt receive his professorships purely because he couldn't fit into the Imo state politics within the school (which at the time was even dominated by the Mbaise clique). Poor lecturer had to go back to his state's newly launched uni then (Anambra start uni at Uli) to work as part time, and that was where he eventually got his professorships. Similar story happened to my uncle who couldnt get his due promotions at Abia state university simply because he was from Imo. It took him to move to Imo state uni before he could get his due rights. You think that is not the same as tribalism?

Should I even start talking of the segregation within Imo state where some groups swore they would never let any Mbaise person smell Douglas house?... and of course, Mbaise people have been wailing over this issue for ages including during the last Ihedioha election which could have broken the trend.

What am I saying in essence?... Tribalism doesnt end with just Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo as so many people myopically view it. The moment you break those 3 apart, you'll then realise that within each group, there are still hundreds of subgroups that would still perpetuate the tribalism nonsense.

Once again, leadership wisdom and maturity from the people are the only things that can end tribalism; and not endless separations. You can keep calling it nonsense because you want secession (i.e. no more yoruba and hausa competition), but it doesnt still make your position the sensible one.

Thank you very much. Deedeedee1 appears like someone who cannot face facts and reality juxtaposed together.

Yorubas, Igbos or Hausas may appear as one on the national level, but on the local level, they have their own internal difference, which if not curtailed could even be worse than the outside differences.

I am not a Nationalist or 'One Nigerianist', but i know that even if you give the Igbos or Yorubas their own seperate countries, they would still have to promote the same Nationalism or the Pan Igbo/yoruba ethnic identity in order to make their respective nations undivided. If not, within a short time, tribalism will instantly begin among the Subgroups. Ijebu people may start claiming superiority over others. We can see the bitter rivalry between Egba and Ijebu people in Ogun state. Muslims and traditionalists who almost clashed violently in Osun state. Ife vs Modakeke.
In Igbo land, the same thing. Nkanu vs Nsukka people in Enugu state, Aguleri vs Umuleri in Anambra, Izzi-Ezza clashes in Ebonyi, Ngwa against Others in Abia state. Abia state govt sacking all Imo state indigenes.

So, we are still saying the same thing. The most politically unstable and chaotic African nation (aside S. Sudan), Somalia, is a mono ethnic and mono religious nation, guess what divides them? Clannism! Some clans claim to be superior to other clans inspite of the fact that they are one same ethnicity, religion, ancestry and what have you.

deedeedee1:
Another nonsense! You cant eradicate tribalism in an ethnically diverse country. It is not possible.
Let Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausa live apart.

Seriously, why are you behaving like a bitter teenager? Can't you speak in a mature manner void of sentimental/emotional outburst?

Tribalism can be eradicated in an ethnically diverse country, yes, it happened in Tanzania. It also is the case in much of Northern Nigeria.
If religion, regionalism or Nationality is promoted over ethnicity, watch tribalism die a natural death.

Sapiosexuality:
I think our Leaders know these things but choose not to do them. This is not an extraordinary thought. The thing is, making peace and achieving justice is more difficult than war and injustice. The problem will never disappear until they confront it. They know this and like the true cowards they are, they choose the easy route.

But why should we destroy and eliminate our identities to form the Nigerian identity? Was that what Europe did to become the most civilized continent? Why should I respect the creation of a thief who came into my fathers' homes, broke down their doors, stole their properties and forced another man he raped to live with them? Isn't it neocolonialism to assume that such unholy creation must not be defiled?

I think it is slavish to assume we are indissoluble. It's nonsense! I've seen so called panafricans in this forum, who loathe the British for what they did to us, dismiss the idea of referendum as nonsense. A person believes the British did us evil and all they created was for their benefit. But this same person can't see that Nigeria is one of such creations.

Nigeria must be renegotiated. I have no problem with Tribalism. My problem is with stupidity. Tribalism is simply ones love for their tribe and there is nothing wrong with that. We don't insult a man for loving his family more than his neighbours. We don't try to destroy a man's love for their country. We don't try to take away the cord that binds two friends because we assume their friendship is cancerous to our survival. That's how I see tribalism.

deedeedee1:
Ban ethnicity? You are the dumbest person i have known on Nairaland. Why should i let go of my pride because of a country created by the British? You are a big fool for writing nonsense!
Did i see you write African Nations? Can you list any country in Africa today that is qualified to be called a Nation?
The only way to stop tribalism is to let people who share same culture, language to live as one.
Simple!

You guys misintepreted my comment to an extent, especially deedeedee1. I am in no way advocating for the continued monolithic existence of Nigeria. All i am trying to stress is the fact that we cannot eat our cakes and have it. Sometimes in life, you must drop one thing in order to pick up another.

There is no way Nationality and Ethnicity/religion can be equally promoted in a country. One must superceed the other and one must be strengthened over the weakness of the other.

Nigerians must decide which system we are ready to work with and stick with it. We cannot be claiming we do not want tribalism in Nigeria and at the same time be promoting Ethnicity and Ethnic pride. It can never work that way.

Look at Northern Nigeria today, It is more united than Southern Nigeria, and why is this so? This is simply because Northerners promoted Arewa identity (regional identity) over individual Ethnic identities and it worked perfectly for them and made them the giant of Nigeria.

You can never or hardly find anything like 'Hausa women union, Kanuri students group, Fulani youth association'. NO, all you find is 'Arewa this and Arewa that'. This is why tribalism and tribal politics/discrimination is almost non-existent in the north (core-north) especially.

Kano is a Hausa state, but a Nupe man from Niger state has been the governor, A kanuri man from Borno has been the governor, a fulani has been the governor. Can this happen in Southern Nigeria? Hell NO!
But the expense of this is that a lot of Northerners have lost their ethnic prides, cultures and traditions and many northern languages are going extinct to Hausa.

This is my point. You cannot eat your cake and have it.

Nigerians need to negotiate and redefine what we want.

freshest4live:
A single major religion(at least 70%) would have also helped matters. But if Nigerians can find a way to tolerate one another and work together despite these differences she would be extremely powerful.

A single major religion would only have reduced the friction to an extent, but it would still not stop it in total

Tanzania is 50/50 muslim-christian divided, yet, most Tanzanians value/exhort their national identity over religion. While countries like Kenya, Uganda, Congo, Senegal, Mali, Guinea e.t.c with a single major religion are having serious issues of tribalism.

Sapiosexuality:
This is what Rwanda did: http://www.mortalpoet.com/what-we-can-learn-from-rwanda/. If we are really interested in staying together that is exactly what we will do. Cut off every promotion of tribal identities. But is that the best thing to do?

And this is the bitter truth. The only way African nations can stop or fight tribalism is by officially banning every promotion of Ethnicity, Ethnic unions, festivals e.t.c.

This was exactly what Nyerere did in Tanzania that today tribalism is non-existent in Tanzania. Almost all Tanzanians today are nationalists, but this had to come at the expense of the extinction of their original native languages and cultures.

EgunMogaji:
I don't do Lagos, I hate anything Lagos with a passion.

I am an Ibadan man to the core. But these ills are all over the country it seems.

She'll still come to visit but not to live permanently. I'll petition for her grandmothers green card first thing on Monday morning. She'll learn her culture that way.

It's sad all around.

Thanks.

No, not all over the country.
95% of all human ritual activities take place in Yoruba land.

snowden9:
A christian state with hausa as their language, hausa as their behaviour. To me that's as hausa as one can be. I've been there. i know what I'm saying.

What the hell do you mean ''Hausa as their behaviour''? What is Hausa behaviour?
I guess Plateau state and Southern Kaduna who are 99% christian indigenes are also Hausa to you. Hausa is just a language that anyone speaks. It is not a culture in much of northern Nigeria except in Hausa land.

chubinwa:
living life.
I tink I like d whites for dia simplicity

Neymar and the majority of Brazillians are not white pls.

TayserMahiri:
Definitely citizenship matters more. But in Africa we are still very tied to our tribes first, nationhood comes second. lol I thot all caucasians would count as one tribe.

Seriously, it beats me that tribalism thrives very well in a country like Kenya with a unifying lingua franca.
In Northern Nigeria, tribalism is rare. Religion is the real dividing factor because we had a unifying lingua franca (in Hausa language).

Swahili really appears useless to me as far as Kenya is concerned.