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BoboNkiti19, Metaphysical & Omonnakoda

You guys should stop this absolute madness about gay porn or homo whatever.
Shame nor dey catch una?
What is this nonsense?

Goke7:
do you know how many industries are in Lagos, there are industries in Lagos people don't know about but they employ thousands at a go. SMEs no get mouth for Lagos and that's the hidden secret of Lagos. The Maritime Industry in Lagos alone employs a very large pool that thousands of SMEs together cannot match. We never talk of FMCG that will swallow what ever number the SMEs have.

if SMEs in Lagos are really employing, the unemployment rate in Lagos will go down very quickly, The only SMEs in Lagos that are trying are private schools that employ teachers and other auxiliary staff like bus drivers and care givers ; they are the ones helping matters.

Do u know that almost every family in Lagos or urban southern Nigeria has at least someone who owns a business?

From boutique owners to Saloon owners, Cybercafes, Restaurants, Betting shops, Foodstuff shops & provision stores which you have 20 on every street, Spare part sellers, Phone accessories, Phone & recharge card sellers, small scale manufacturers like Sachet & bottled water & snacks like chips/popcorn, nylon/polythene manufacturers, tailors & fashion designers, butchers, beauticians, livestock rearers, road transporters, mechanics, vulcanizers, computer schools & centers, private education sector, market wholesalers & distributors, importers, food transporters e.t.c

Down to the lowest of the society like Head hawkers, Wheelbarrow hawkers, Roadside food & snacks preparers like Akara, Mama put, Wheelbarrow & truckpushers and all manners.

Can every family in Lagos have someone who is employed by the big industries in Lagos? But bros, not one family in Lagos will say they don't have someone involved in the SMEs!
In some families, everyone survives on SMEs. The father could be a driver, the mother has a restaurant, the first son is a Barber with a saloon and the daughter is selling recharge card.

You are saying there won't be unemployment in Lagos if SMEs were helpful? Take away SMEs from Lagos and see if we will not have the largest urban humanitarian crisis in the world.

Sometimes, you guys must not tell lies in a bid to defend your ethnic group....

How can any sane or rational Nigerian say that the big Industries employ more people than the SMEs?

LegendHero:
No you don't always forget. You just can't substantiate your claims and you purposely ignore.

Honestly I forget.

Size does not matter. Lagos is smaller in size and still the best state in Nigeria. Even the brown roofs in Ibadan is better than those haggard looking mushroom building from Jos. I repeat those brown roof beats the terrible looking part of jos. At least those brown roofs have storey building with many rooms while those of Jos are just like the Hut and cave houses.

Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria? Are we talking about states or cities? Were u sleeping when typing this?

Our people do not need to build storey buildings when land is available everywhere at a giveaway price and we do not have Omoniles & Owomidas terrorizing our people when building.

@bolded, when you know that Ibadan have more finer places and better planned than Jos, why do you keep talking recklessly on Nairaland about Jos being better than any SW states except Lagos? We haven't even brought Akure into the equation yet!

I talk down on Ibadan because 80% of it is slummish and dillapidated! The only thing is that it is big in size, hence the 20% good part of it can outsize the 50% good part of other smaller cities.

Addressed this up there. Those brown roofs in Ibadan are miles better than the terrible part of Jos that are just like huts.

Lies lies and lies!

What does this mean? Who gives a bleep about topography without development? Are you speaking about topography when you falsely calimed Jos is better than any SW states except Lagos? Now you son't seems to have much integrity bro.

C'mon bro, is city beauty only about topography? So topography is your own definition of better cities? What did I just read?

Are you this ignorant? Do u want to compare the aesthetic appeal of a city on a hill/mountains to a city on a flatland? Where everything is joint together?

Do you know how spacious our suburbs are from each other in Jos due to these rocks, hills, valleys & mountains?
The sad thing is that you cannot see these features from Google Earth.

If you don't know how much greenery and scenery contributes to the aesthetic appeal of a city, then you might as well go and ask for a refund of your school fees.

This question is what I am also suprised at. What even gave you the audacity to compare Jos and Ibadan in the first place? Is it about Number of malls, no of industries, IGR, education, housing estates, GRA, people, purchasing power, liveliness, etc. Where exactly does Jos beat Ibadan?

Which exclusive industry in Ibadan is as worth as Nasco group of companies in Jos at 460 million dollars?

Jos has a better social & nightlife than Ibadan in spite of the crisis. You can clearly see that from the high number of influential entertainers in Nigeria that have come from Jos.
That is not even something arguable.
Jos has a natural wildlife park that is integral to the city! None of such exists in West Africa.

Jos used to have the biggest ultramodern market in West Africa before the crisis destroyed it.

See, we have not taken time to do strong compilation of our people and industries as you Yorubas & Igbos have been doing here on nairaland from time immemorial. Be rest assured that when we do, we will be giving u a run for your money!

Besides, how exactly does Ibadan beat Jos in education and people? How?
My people living in the cities are far far neater than your people. Don't Yoruba women tie one wrapper for 2 weeks?

Lol, you see you are changing your stance? You have now deviated from Jos being better than Ibadan. Thank God this is settled!

People can now see that you have taken back your word.

Who deviated? I am ever ready for a comparison. Open the thread and tag me!

We will compare both the nice areas and the slums.

For Kaduna, I am also ready to compare the better part of Kaduna with Ibadan for educational purpose and see what is even in that Kaduna self. Are you game to compare the best part of both state

You want to kill yourself right? If not for size, Kaduna should be comparing Lagos and not even Ibadan.

forgiveness:
These are those responsible for installing an Emir in Ilorin.

Whenever the throne of the emirate (which is vested in the Fulani descendants of Shehu Alimi) is vacant, the representative of each quarter in the Emirate namely; the Balogun Gambari (Hausa), the Balogun Ajikobi (Yoruba), the Balogun Fulani (Fulani) and the Balogun Alanamu (Yoruba) - along with the head of the Afonja chieftaincy family, the Mogaji Aare, and his sub-chief called the Baba Isale of Ilorin - come together to elect and install a new emir,

Do the Igbos dominate the Service sector of Lagos state?

LegendHero:
Ilorin is strictly a religious affair, why can't you guys just understand this?

How are the Fulanis controlling Kwara/Ilorin in the present dispensation. What is the power of the Fulanis on the Kwara/Ilorin architecture in general? Do they constitute the highest number of elected officials, political power, economic power, religious power, educational intellectuals, and etc. What exactly do you mean by controlling?

Seriously, I wonder why you guys take so much time and efforts to explain your cowardice of Ilorin, when u could have chanelled that effort into something that could have made more meaning.

No matter how u guys try to wish Ilorin away by speaking English, it will never ever go away.
Ilorin remains under the jurisdiction and subserviency of the Sokoto caliphate as long as there is an Emir there who is an extension of the Sokoto caliphate, full stop!


Many Northern minorities have broken out of these satanic Emirates and guess what, they did it with violence! That's some balls you guys are yet to develop.

Southern Kaduna people started revolting against Fulani Emirates in their midst from the 1987 Kafanchan riots down to the 1992 Zangon Kataf crisis where they made sure no Hausa fulani person survived from that town!
By the time they displayed their madness again in 2000 Sharia crisis, the Hausa fulani governor then had no option but to create their chiefdoms for them by force.

Is that not the same thing Sayawa people did in Tafawa Balewa? Go and tell any Fulani man that ties a bedsheet on his head to enter that town and go and do Emir again, he will slap you! Cos when Sayawa people descended on them in 2011, even the Emir district head then was chased away with his bedsheet on his head running for his life

Mubi Emir always sent subemirs to rule Michika town (Adamawa) and when the last one died and a new one was coming in, Michika boys dared him to come into the town if they will not behead him, the idiiot had to reverse back to Mubi with his bedsheet on his head and that is how till date no Fulani idiiot can enter Michika town to claim he wants to rule.
The indigenes coronated their own king even though the state govt has refused to recognize them. That is what is called BALLS.

That is why I laught at those who call my people weak because of fulani herdsmen hit and run tactics. The day all our tribes will unite and say enough is enough, that day will mark the beginning of the end of Nigeria .... And this I can promise everyone will happen in less than 4 years from now.

myobjective:
The Yorubaland is so blessed that it has all the vegetation zones apart from the Sahel Savannah (which is useless).

These are the vegetation zones in Yorubaland and the crops grown in these areas.
1. Rainforest in states like Ogun, Ondo, Sun, Oyo, Ekiti. This vegetation zone is where most of the fruit, timbers, tuber crops, cash crops etc are produced.

2. Guinea Savannah in states like Oyo, Ogun, Kwara and Yoruba part of Kogi. This is the vegetation zones where the cassava, Yam, cashew and other cash crops can be grown.

3. Sudan Savannah in Kwara state is where most of the cereal crops, Tomatoes, pepper, sugarcane etc can grow.

We have the landmass to be self-sufficient in the production of food and cash crop in Yoruba land.

Ogbeni, the Sudan Savannah in Kwara state does not belong to the Yorubas! It is mostly in Kwara north and it belongs to the Nupes & Baribas!

Yorubas don't have up to 10,000km² of Sudan Savannah.

Do you have a subtropical climate like Plateau state & Mambilla (Taraba), where you can grow Tea, Strawberries, Irish potatoes, Carrots, Cabbages, e.t.c?

LegendHero:
This again is a lie. Agriculture in the current period is about machinery and researches into how to increase yield faster.

The Yoruba nation have the landmass and fertile soil for those agricultural produce. With education and intellectual resources, we will be able to devise better machinery and technical know how on how to increase yield for those crops and beat anything the Middlebelt/North can produce with their not-too-advanced farming system.

To cite a better example, see USA for example. They are able to increase yield using scientific method such that the USA were able to produce food in large quantities for their populations. They are not farming with the manual system where you have to wait for rain to fall or depend on those useless fertilizers that don't give high yield.

During my masters, I partook in a research for a company called Syngenta in Greensboro, NC. If you see the method/chemicals that these guys are using for their farming system and the yield it could bring, you will weep for Africa.

hence, because you have vast land does not mean you will excel in Agriculture. Stop attributing too much importance to yourself.

How can u be comparing USA that is so big in size and Landmass to Yoruba land?

Are u aware that Yorubaland is not up to 100,000 km²? It is like 80-90,000km² with over 40 million citizens.

Now, compare it with a middlebelt country that would be 300,000km² with only 30 million citizens.


Yes, Vastlands does not necessarily equal large production, but do you think our people would be sleeping when you guys are improving your produces?
Do u know that there is a very big Yoruba farmer in Nasarawa state with acres of lands? He rents land there at a giveaway price and employs natives at a giveaway price. Why did he go to Nasarawa and did not go to Oyo state?
He knows that the amount u will get land in the middlebelt would be ¼ of the price he gets in the SW and he can never get natives at such a cheaper price to work for him.


See, get me when I say that, it will require extra efforts and commitment for you guys to be self sufficient in Food when we are your neighbors!

Can you tell me why any Yoruba leader will be willing to spend millions of dollars into agricultural research, modification & mechanization when you guys can get every food you need nextdoor at a giveaway price?

Why are all American manufacturers relocating to China? No matter how much the govt is trying to encourage manufacturers to invest in USA, they refuse!
The reason is simple! These manufacturers will get everything they need in China at a far cheaper amount they will get in USA.

Can u argue the fact that an educated Yoruba of the same qualification with a middlebelter will be willing to collect a lower income to carry out a certain job than that middlebelter will collect?

Cc Myobjective

LegendHero:
Nowenuse, you haven't replied to this mention. I will continue to troll you until you take back your words about Jos being better than other SW states except Lagos. You should man up and take the challenge or take back your words.

I am waiting!

I don't know how come I always forget to reply this post of yours even when I say I will reply it.

Okay, See. Ibadan is more than twice the size of Jos okay? Ibadan has more fine areas than Jos, but at the same time Ibadan has more terrible looking areas than Jos! Simple fact.

So, if we compare the beautiful areas of Ibadan & Jos, how about the terrible areas? Do we ignore them?

Also, the beauty of Jos cannot be appreciated from Google Earth, cos Google maps cannot show you the topography of a city!

What makes Jos better than Ibadan is the greenery, topography and weather. For example, Google maps may show a certain neighbourhood of Jos from above to look congested, but in reality that place is not as terrible as a typical congested area in the south, because of it's undulating topography.

So, what exactly should we be comparing between Jos & Ibadan?

Kaduna & Ibadan seems like a better comparison for me cos Kaduna is bigger and has a flatter topography like a typical Southern city.. But Kaduna will be suicide for your Ibadan

Goke7:
Ilorin is a yoruba city and will remain so, even the emir there na yoruba, whatever narrative you have been told is your own headache and have you seen anybody who hails from Ilorin speaking any other language than yoruba?

My guy you need to travel, nairaland has fed you with so much lies

Lol, do you think you have travelled Nigeria more than I have?

Oga, apart from a few core northern states, there is no other state in Nigeria that I have not been to.

Bros, forget that Ilorin speaking Yoruba of a thing.

The fulani Emirs in Nupeland speak Nupe and can hardly speak Hausa, but it doesn't change the fact that they are of fulani ancestry and owe their allegiance to the Sultan of Sokoto.

All the Emirs in the NW, how many of them can speak Fulfude? Does that stop them from being fulanis?

It seems like you people have still not understood how Fulanis operate in Nigeria ooo.

myobjective:
The Agriculture of the 21st century will be defined by how well it can be commercialized and mechanized. Through, landmass, and cheaper labour will play a role but such a role will be hugely limited.

For example, Thailand is the largest exporter of processed Cassava product, earning more than $4billion dollars from the export of this product despite having a much smaller cultivated land compared to Nigeria. What they have been able to do is mechanized it and operate the farm as a business.

Today, Majority of the largest integrated farms are in Yoruba land. The capital is in the west, the biggest market is in the west and manpower is also in the west. It is just a matter of time before the west become an industry leader in Agro-based business in Africa( we already a leader in Nigeria)

That was the same thing I said, unless with serious govt intervention and investment will Yorubaland ever be self sufficient in Food production.
And this will only be possible in an Oodua nation.

Besides, what will you people do about crops that do not grow in your area? I know u will say Genetic modification

Goke7:
SMEs don't make Lagos, Industries do my dear, how may employees these SMEs employ and how much do these EMEs employees earn for Lagos to make huge revenue from their personal income taxes?

The bigger industries employees with huge salaries are the ones with enough disposable income to afford what the industries produce

Later now, you people will say I am the one arguing based on emotions.

So you truly believe that in Lagos State, the Industries employ more people than the SMEs?

Goke7:
what do you mean by the quality of human beings there? have you been to Kano? my guy pls travel and get your facts right. You call a city with an International airport predominantly full of illiterates? this is what you get when nairaland is your main source of information

and as for the strong belief that eastern ports are not favoured like lagos ports, its all lies and propaganda. The Lagos ports are what it is because of the geography as a true Natural harbour which favours bigger ships than other ports in Nigeria and secondly the fact that Lagos have better basic amenities than other cities in Nigeria which foreigners will prefer. You guys would have cried more if states like ogun and ondo had got their acts together before now as they possess even better geography for deep sea ports for more bigger ships to berth there. No be our fault say God bless us.

Hei God. Yes, Kano city is a big cosmopolitan city, but you cannot compare it to a Southern/Middlebelt city of similar size due to the culture and nature of the people there!!

No part of Hausa land has majority of it's people educated. Or do u want to argue on this fact now?
How else do u want Kano to be different? Yes, there are settlers in Kano, but what percentage of the population are these settlers compared to the Hausa fulanis?

What is the literacy rate of Kano? What is the percentage of middle-class citizens there?

Can you compare the more educated and middle-class citizens of a place like PH, their purchasing power and consumption taste of varieties with that of a place like Kano city where almajiris alone make up 25% of the city's population?
Or do u think Kano is just the central developed area alone?

omonnakoda:
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forgiveness:
Who are the other Nigerians apart from Igbos? None.

Oh, do u think Yorubas are more educated than Nigerdeltans? I doubt this.
We Middlebelters are still yet to fully catch up to Southerners in education, but we have closed that gap widely unlike 20 years ago.

100 years ago was just 1920. How many Hausa Fulanis were doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, journalist etc?

You must not argue for argument sake all the time. Yorubas had a handful of educated people at that time, but Hausa fulanis had hundreds of thousands of people who could read & write in Ajami at that time. They had schools and they travelled and traded transaharan routes very well.
Can u compare Old Kano city by 1920 with Ibadan?

SW had large population of educated folks as at then. If you are talking about the Ajami script era, do remember Yoruba was written in Ajami scripts as far back as in the 17th century in Oyo empire.

SW travelled more than any group in 1920. Fact

If you think SW are relenting on getting education, you are totally wrong.

SW Ajami learning was only limited to Oyo before colonialism. You cannot compare it to that of Hausa land that was everywhere...

Did Yorubas use Horses, chariots & Camels? How then could Yorubas have been traveling more than Hausas before 1920? Oga take am easy oo! Don't come and disgrace your people here by telling lies.

It counts because it accounts for substantial amount of people and it is what makes the state function effectively. The fact that you rubbish it speaks well of how other states neglect this vital part of governance.


Who dominates in the service sector of Lagos state? Let us defer the talk on industry.

I am not saying civil service is useless, no, but in a very cosmopolitan and commercial state like Lagos, it's effect is very insignificant. Can Lagos State civil service employ 20% of Lagos state's population?

Barbilius:
That sabotage part is as stale as 5day old food. Let's use airport for example, ibos usually claim they are responsible for mmia progress bla bla bla, but the portharcout airport is in good shape and receives international flight, in fact buhatmri built a new terminal for pH Airport. Ibos have threatened that if they boycott mmia, it will fall(like they do to every other thing. Lol). Well, now let them use port Harcourt airport now, since portharcout is even closer to igbo land than Lagos, oh to the nearest Igbo land is probably less than 50 km, meanwhile Lagos to the nearest igbo land would be around 400km,butbyet they still use mmia. We await the day they will boycott mmia like they have threatened.

I am not an Igbo, so I won't support the Igbos on empty chest beating like this claim above.

myobjective:
I don't care how the Hausa-Fulani views the Yoruba. In fact, I consider Yoruba to be a superior ethnic group, hence look the hugely illiterate northerners with disdain.

I still maintain my stand, there is no way the middle belt and southern Christians will dominate the Yorubas in any university in the south-west. No way, my guy.

Even the schools in the middle belt have Yoruba in huge number no to talk schools in the southwest. A university like Fut Minna has Yoruba as the majority despite being located in Niger state (north-central).

Forget stories, Yoruba values and invest in education more than any ethnic group In Nigeria.

I wish I still know where I kept the handbook given to me when I went for my brother's matriculation in Landmark. I would have just snapped the names and posted them here.

If u have any friend or relative who went to these kind of schools, pls look for an unbiased one and ask them if Yorubas can outnumber non-Yorubas in these schools.

Okay, take Winners for example. Do u know that winners have FAITH ACADEMY & KINGDOM HERITAGE in every city/town across Nigeria? (Except for the core-north).

Okay, tell me if the numbers of pupils and students within the kingdom heritage & faith academy schools in the SW can match those outside the SW. I'm waiting.

Covidodo:
Same Kaduna being ruled by 2 Fulani Muslim or another one

Hasn't Jos being destroyed already Smh

Political power is the koko.

Guy , Abeg the joke is on you

During the military era, were Yoruba states not ruled by Hausa fulani rulers? Did that destroy or change the people living there?

Hausa fulanis are only ruling Kaduna because of Zaria, divide the state and who will be there?

Was an Ebira man not the governor of Yoruba majority Old Kwara state?
Are Fulanis not the kingmakers in Kwara state?

Jos is destroyed, but it looks better and even attracts more foreigners than all other Yoruba cities apart from Igbo economically controlled Lagos. And your filthy Yoruba people will still never leave Jos no matter how much they are killed.
Who is the joke on now?

Grayoso:
Dont mind the the obdurate chap who only wants to create hollow arguments, incapable of standing up to critical scrutiny, because he simply wants to avoid giving the Yorubas credit where due.

He tries to nullify my submission with tangled and contorted logic that even further proves my point.
We are talking of better business models replacing what was in place and he asks:
"Can Asians match English middle-class in London?"
when this is irrelevant to the central argument which is that even Asians, the erstwhile traditional kings of the corner shop, now prefer to shop in Tesco Express and Sainbury local shops rather than patronise the Asian grocers.

Same would apply to Lagos. If Igbos relinquish the spare part ghettos of Ladipo et al, it wont be long before the vacuum created leads a Lebanese, Yoruba, South African or Indian business to set up the equivalent of Eurocarparts or gsfcarparts which are chains selling aftermarket and OEM ( original equipment manufacturer)parts for mainly German and swedish cars.

Simply take your car chassis number there and the part is available in minutes over the counter or you can even check stock before showing up to pick up. It is the future and will replace, standardize and regulate the garbage Igbos call 'spare part business'. I have a 2016 VW Touareg jeep and would not buy parts in Nigeria because I can use my chassis number to find the part I need in the UK and order it to my UK shippers address who would then send it to Nigeria for me to collect in Ikeja. That way I can never buy the wrong part as anything I purchase is chassis-matched.

https://www.eurocarparts.com/
https://www.gsfcarparts.com/

Even Igbos, middleclass or whatever, will patronise the spare parts model I cite above in preference to buying with their kinsman, because it is much better and more efficient, if someone can actually deliver such a model.

What Igbos dont realise is that only bigger and better organised businesses stand to replace the messy and archaic models they pride so much like how modern houses are the only options to replace the eyesore of the past.

From what I write, what would I need Igbos for? And if a vacuum is suddenly created in any sector by Igbos leaving are there not many Yorubas , even more knowledgeable than myself, who will step in to bridge the gap and ensure the absence of Igbos has no long term deleterious effect?

I never argued with you that better business models will not replace that of the Igbos.

My point is that, If Igbos are leaving, not just their businesses will leave, but their large numbers are leaving also. And we all know that a large consumption population would leaving too and not just a large consumption population of any kind, but a quality one (based on African standards) cos we can all attest to the higher standard of life of Igbos (based on African standards).

My question for you is that, do you think a Lagos of 5 million middle-class citizens would ever attract the same foreign investment as a Lagos of 10 million middle-class citizens?

Pls answer without bias.

Covidodo:
This is an addition to your reply to the guy bro
Beans too..
But wait , aren't we eating before Nigeria in 1914

Somalia would be better than Arewa republic when shit hits the fan .
It would be easier for an elephant to pass through the eye of a needle than getting his utopian Middle belt republic and that's a fact

Imagine a lowly minority from the poorest region in Nigeria trying to disparage the great Yorubas

Ilorin a Yoruba town is still being ruled by an Emir till today till tomorrow, shame no dey catch una?
Kaduna & Jos are the 2 biggest cities owned by Northern christians, can u show me an Emir there?

Hausa fulanis cannot withstand Northern christians united and they know it, but you and them will destroy each other over Ilorin, watch it.

Goke7:
most folks are just ignorant, so true that a lot of farming goes on along that oyo-ogbomoso-Ilorin corridor which I have seen. Truth is the SW states outside Lagos have been grossly under reported and underrated. No thanks too to the ignoramus on nairaland who come here to spew lies.

Barbilius:
Abi na. Even Yam in largely grown all over Yorubaland even though the middlebelt is still the largest producer but yam planting is not new to us, hell, Amala, a staple food in much part of Yorubaland is made from Yam so, if we weren't planting Yam centuries earlier, how were we able to make amala In fact they would be the ones without market for their products when we start producing for ourselves.

You Southerners have become heavily urban over the years. How many Southerners will be willing to go back to crude farming right now? Unless it is mechanized farming.
And unless you Yorubas get your own country, I don't see anyone in Yorubaland investing in Mechanized agriculture when the North is still there.

See bros, unless your future Oodua country's govt is desperately interested in investing in Agriculture against all odds, otherwise it will be futile. Cos think of it, Northern agriculture which will always be next door will always be cheaper than Yorubaland agriculture. Cos we have the vast, larger swathes of cheaper fertile land compared to you guys, we also have cheaper labour.

The average Yoruba youth has been captured by the glamour of Western lifestyle and everyone wants to blow and drive a Benz, that's why if it is not Yahoo or Runs. Forget if for the average Yoruba youth.

myobjective:
Southerners eat mostly starchy foods that are sourced from two major sources; namely from Cassava and Yam. Cassava only constitutes more than 60% of our source of carbohydrate. Cassava product majorly consumed include Garri, Fufu, Lafu etc while Yam product includes Pounded and Alubo.

More than 60% of cassava is produced in the southwest while the Yoruba produce at least 30% of Nigeria yam in States like Oyo, Ogun, Kwara, Ondo, Ekiti and Kogi.

The major agricultural produces that comes from the core north are beans, spices, watermelon and best why the middle belt provide majorly Yam.

Finally, an independent Yoruba land will be self-sufficient in food production and become a net food exporter.

Goke7:
The industries in Lagos are the ones bringing the huge IGR and value to the state and not the corner corner shops bruv

Bros, never underestimate the power of SMEs in Lagos. Lagos State govt to the best of my knowledge collects their taxes from these SMEs very very well.
Lagos State is one state that does not play with taxes and we all know this.

80% of Lagos State population depends on the SME sector for survival. If not for this sector that gives them income, do you think they will have any money to be able to patronize the products of these big industries?

Will all these big industries not pack up without patronage? Can the industries patronize themselves? Let's be honest and factual.

Barbilius:
How many of those shops pay taxes Majority of them do not pay any taxes whatsoever, and if they want to claim import duties, they should quickly be reminded that import duties go straight to Federal government purse.

Goke7:
Do you understand what industrialization really mean? other ports have also existed? your question should be why Lagos? there was a time Warri many years ago was coming up strongly that even many yorubas live there so what happened? at times we should look inwards before blaming others for our woes

There is a strong belief on the sabotage of Eastern ports in favour of Lagos ports. I really can't say who is to blame for it. And I don't wish to tow this line of argument.

Goke7:
you lie, pls educate yourself Kano is a very high cosmopolitan city like Lagos, its no joke that an international airport is situated there which shows the number of the elites there. You guys need to educate yourself more about Nigeria.

Of course, Kano has a high population, nobody is arguing that. What we are asking of is the quality of human beings living there.
Why should u compare a people who are predominantly illiterates to those who are predominantly literates?

Covidodo:
You are spewing nonsense . So you sampled the people you met in the school to know their ethnicity ??

You are just a religious bigot who deserves everything you and your people are getting in the hands of the Hausa Fulani .

Since when did one's denomination become a factor to consider before attending a Christian private university in Nigeria ??

Are you saying only Redeem people attend Redeemers ?? Are you saying only 7th day people attend Babcock ?? I hate slow people !!!

If indeed the yardstick for attending those schools is your membership in the church like you opined , then Babcock should have been sited in the SE/SS or North central since many people from those areas attend seventh day church . Can you see your pseudologic now

Apart from the Hausa fulani guy here, I have not insulted any Yoruba person here. Ask about me, if you want to descend to the gutter level, I will give u worse shiit than u have ever gotten in your life!


That aside. I never said that only members of a certain denomination attend their universitiy. I even spoke against this belief in one of my posts here.
However, members of a certain denomination tend to have a higher preference in going to varsities of their denomination.
If u go to covenant varsity and take a survey, it will be impossible for any other denomination to outnumber Winners members there . Same thing with Redeemers, same thing with Bowen, same thing with Bingham.

Perhaps u don't read and comprehend very well.

I said that I was able to take an ethnic survey on the ethnicity of Students in Landmark & Covenant because both my brothers attend these schools and on their matriculation/convocation days, we the relatives of the graduating/matriculating students are usually given a handbook and therein, you can see the names of all the students per department!
If this is not enough to take an ethnic survey, then can u tell me what is?

Barbilius:
Oga corn/maize is grown all over the southwest, hell my dad just planted maize on his farm 2 weeks ago. In fact, I personally know a young farmer who grows water melonand cucumber and pineapple in surulere local government area of oyo state along the ogbomoso ilorin expressway. The only thing we largely get from the north is pepper, onions, while cabbages, lettuces, are not really that common among every folks, only the few elites eats cabbages and luttuces.

So, u think few small farms of Corn or Cucumber in the SW can meet up to the demand of over 50 million people living in the region?

Go to any food market in Lagos and see the trailers that bring these things here and verify the amount of products they bring.

So only elites eat Salad in Nigeria? Middle-class people don't eat Salad?

Oga 80% of the food in Yoruba land comes from the North & Middlebelt.

forgiveness:
No! Because large number of South Westerners were exposed to education, trade, Morden architecture, media early before any group in Nigeria. Don't forget the Ibadan was far developed and prosperous than city in Nigeria and sub Africa when it was the capital of western region. Fact.

Of course, u guys were first exposed to these things, but other Nigerians have matched up with you guys in these things.

100 years ago, Hausa fulanis were the most educated and well travelled Nigerians. Today is that still the case?

Goke7:
The high and human capital is a result of the high level of industrialization and not population, if not Kano is also highly populated for Dangote and co to invest like they do in Lagos.

Ibadan and Ogun state will begin to level up seriously with Lagos when the Lagos-Ibadan railway line begins operation. Industrialization is what is driving Lagos and Ogun states and not just population and when that railway is open, it will rub off on Oyo state big time even presently there are lots of industries springing up in Ibadan and environs.

How can you compare Kano (Hausa land where majority of the people are illiterate fanatics) to anywhere else?
Abuja & PH are the only places that are any close for such comparison.

Industrialization without a viable market is as good as useless as the P in psychology.

forgiveness:
The question is, who runs the service and industrial sectors of Lagos state?

Who runs the civil service of Lagos state?

Bringing in the civil service here is rubbish. Is Lagos a civil service driven state?

If you are talking of industries in Lagos, can you really beat your chest and say that the Industry sector in Lagos has a higher worth and contributes more to the citizens of Lagos than the SME industry?

Iamgrey5:
Yams?

Even my village in ibadan produce large volumes of yam.

Most yam brought from the north in Yoruba land are those sold by Hausas themselves in Lagos and Ogun state communities near lagos.

The only things we get from the north in large quantities are beef and onions

The writer deliberately omitted the south west and specifically mentioned the south east for a reason don't you think.

The only thing u get from the North is Beef & Onions? Well, I hope u meant only CORE-NORTH?

Middlebelt & Core north jointly provides u with Sweet Potatoes, Groundnuts & Tomatoes. Or do u produce Tomatoes in Oyo state?

Middlebelt exclusively provides u with Corn & Irish potatoes. And Guinea corn for Akamu.

Then all the other vegetables like Carrots, Cucumbers, Water melons, Lettuces, Cabages, Grean peas, Green pepper, Ginger, do u people farm these things? How about Oranges that are 90% from Benue?

Besides for u to think that most of the Yams consumed by Yorubas is farmed in the SW shows how delusional you are.

Plantains & Bananas are the only foodcrop you Yorubas dominate in Nigeria.

Grayoso:
Igbos lack sophistication, worldview and exposure. This is why, of all ethnic groups, Igbos has the highest number of "money miss road" in Nigeria I.e wealthy people with no class, style or finesse to match their wealth.

This is primarily because Igbos, unlike others, are remotely materialistic. Acquiring money at all cost, even at the cost of personal development, is paramount above all for Igbos.

This is why Igbos cannot understand that having businesses in Lagos that generate wealth does not mean others cannot easily replace that with even bigger and better models.

In the 70ties, 80ties and even 90ties the cornershop were a staple of British grocery shopping even the Pakistanis would be forgiving if they claimed British small grocery shopping sector would collapse if they close shop.

Instead, in the 2000s and beyond, big supermarket started buying smaller shops to create condensed versions of their big stores on high streets and in the traditional corners the Asian shops used to dominate.

These are called Tesco Express and Sainsbury Local etal. This model has now run many Asian grocers out of business. That is precisely what will happen in Lagos if Igbos leave because the world stands still for no one and a vacuum is often an opportunity to replace what is gone with bigger and better.

What you are saying makes sense, but it is only applicable when these settlers do not have a large population of that area.

Do u know the percentage of Igbo middle-class citizens living in Lagos? I don't even think Yorubas will outnumber Igbos per middle-class citizens in Lagos.

Can Asians match English middle-class in London? Your analogy is not good enough.

Imagine if half of the Middleclass citizens in London relocate.... Will it not shake London to the core?

Goke7:
what the less than 100k indians, lebanese and co control in Lagos is 100 times more that what the entire igbos have in Lagos, Industry is what is making Lagos not ordinary trade and commerce

And these industries would not have been cited in Lagos if not for the monopolization of ports and the large cosmopolitan population of the city.

If Abuja was the one with the high population like Lagos, do u think most investors will invest in Lagos over Abuja?

omonnakoda:
The number of Lebanese and Indians is not the issue but their value


How many of them are selling Gala?

Dangote is more useful than 100000 Gala sellers
Chagoury is building Eko Atlantic and is more valuable than 100000 Fanyogo Ibohomosexuals

Chaghoury & Dangote are investing in Lagos because of the high money & human capital there, the high population and huge market and half of it are Non-Yorubas.
Why don't they go and invest in Ibadan, Iseyin or Iwo?

Make una nor worry now, Nigeria will divide in less than 10 years from now. We will witness all these things.

myobjective:
Yoruba actually outnumber them simply because the school are in the southwest.

Alhikmah university is totally dominated by Yoruba Mulsim. Yoruba dominate this school like 90% of the students are Yoruba Muslim.

Christians universities in the southwest are also dominated by Yoruba, simply because these schools are in the southwest and that Yoruba value education more than the most ethnic group in Nigeria.

Yoruba muslims will of course dominate Alhikmah overwhelmingly cos Northern muslims no dey like school.
Also, Hausa fulanis despise and look down on Yoruba muslims. The typical Hausa fulani elites will never send their wards to a Yoruba muslim school. Otherwise, American University of Yola & Baze Universities are both Hausa fulani owned private schools and they have the numbers there.
Yoruba muslims do not have a good relationship with Northern muslims. This is unlike we SS/SE/MB Christians who have a better relationship with Yoruba christians and we love education.

There is no basis of comparison abeg.

Barbilius:
@bolded,are ibos the only one who knows how to settle in a place? Even foreigners like Indians, Lebanese etc have settled in Lagos since God knows when and they never even claim to be the reason for the growth of the city yet people who started coming in their numbers in the 1970s will want to push a theory of then being the reason for Lagos growth. Like @omonnakoda use to say, geography is the only factor which has made Lagos, and the thin about geography is that people may change but it never changes. The geographical location that makes it alluring to the Brits is what will attract people's from different places to it in the event of division of Nigeria.

All the Lebanese & Indians in Lagos put together, are they up to 100k?

And do you think u will feel comfortable if 35% of the people in Lagos are Indians & Lebanese?
People who despise and look down on blacks?

Go to Nairobi, Dar es Salam and these east African cities where Indians were settled by the colonial masters and see the high level of discrimination and segregation blacks endure in their own motherland.
Can you intermarry and integrate with these Indians & Lebanese like the way you people do with Igbos?
You think say na clear eye make Idi Amin pursue Indians commot for Uganda ba?

Grayoso:
I dont get them. Simply pathetic how they are so sentimental and can never views things objectively and in line with the reality on the ground simply because they can't bring themselves to give the Yorubas credit where due.

They will make so much noise about the SE yet this is the same region no Igbo who has had prolonged exposure to the SW, especially the women, wants to return to. Some Igbos really believe that adage that a lie told a thousand times begin to resemble the truth.

This is why they beat their hollow chest, every little chance, about their SE States yet the reality is that most SW-based Igbos are always wary of visiting their indigenous SE States and, even when they must, remain very apprehensive of while there. Igbos and self-delusion are 5 and 6.

Seriously, Igbos to me are so much obsessed with leaving their homelands. I myself don't understand why.

If not for the high immigration of Idomas & Igalas into Abuja that have countered Igbo immigration, Abuja would have been dominantly Igbo by now.

Well, I think it could be cos their land is very small, hence creating strong scarcity of land and expensiveness. Thereby a higher cost of living and stronger competition.
Igbos also have a strong Culture of competition. This could also be the reason many of them flee their homelands.

Go to Kaduna city south and see the way Igbos are buying lands there.

Grayoso:
Nonsense. Simply another excuse to avoid giving credit to the Yoruba with the umbrella argument that everything good about Yorubas is Lagos-related.

Well I know an Igbo girl whose family live in Lekki yet she goes to Uni in Osun State. What connects Osun to Lagos for an Igbo girl resident in Lagos? If she wants to attend Uni outside Lagos why not head to the East, North or Middlebelt?

Why did she choose to stay in the SW with her parent settling on that choice with her to include her father who lives in Enugu and runs a church there yet has kept his family in Lagos? This same girl could not stand Enugu , and could not wait to be back in the SW, when she had to spend two weeks there with her dad over Christmas.

Just accept that there are thousands like that lady who are now very comfortable with the tolerant and liberal Yoruba way of life to the extent it is first choice to them even when they are not Yoruba and have other options. Hardly will you see an Igbo raised anywhere in the SW want to move to the East as an adult.

tubolancer:
Very soon Ogun State will become a megacity, this people will also claim it, telling every Jack and Jill that they develop it. We are watching.

Legendhero

Ogun is developing because of Lagos, just as Nasarawa & Niger are developing because of Abuja. It is not rocket science.

Karu (Nasarawa) has become a full blown urban area of it's own with an estimated population of 2 million people and a size comparable to that of the 3rd largest city in the SW (Akure). Karu is also the fastest growing urban area in Nigeria.
All of this are happening in Karu inspite of the fact that the government of Nasarawa state are not even investing anything in Karu or generating any reasonable income from there.

If with little govt investments and Karu becomes the 2nd largest urban area in Nigeria, can Nasarawa people really claim to have built Karu out of nothing, knowing that Abuja was the reason for it's development?

Bingham university by ECWA church (biggest native church in the North) was built here. Why did they not build it in FCT?
Simple, cheapness of Land.

The desire for cheaper land and nearness to the population center (Lagos) is the reason why most of these things are built in other SW states. And also, for some of the varsities, the Yoruba GOs of these churches decide to build the schools in their hometowns or places where these churches started.

Barbilius:
Igbos are mostly catholic, and other orthodox churches, so how are they responsible for survival of Yoruba owned pentecostal churches It's only the middle belt that I give credit to in that regard, even in the middle belt, ECWA reigns Supreme, little wonder Bingham University is located there. The point is, it's out of place to say that universities will crash because a some tribes left, it will even be an opportunity to open up to international students, as it stands now, Covenant University has students from Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Botswana etc and even some Nigerians in diaspora are coming to CU, does that look like a school that will collapse. Ditto for Bowen, owned by the Nigerian Baptist convention, and Baptist church in Nigeria is largely a Yoruba thing, I know Bowen like the back of my palm, mostly Yoruba Baptist students populate the school. See bro, forget it, nature abhors vacuum, that's how ibos boast how Lagos is going to collapse if they leave, I just laugh, they will be replaced In short while.

Igbos are overwhelmingly Catholic/Anglican, however, currently they are something like 65% and 35% Pentecostal.
In the past, Pentecostals would be like 15% in Igbo land.
Many of their younger people, especially those who migrate out of Igbo land are leaving Catholicism to Pentecostalism.

So pls, Igbos are now a significant number in Pentecostalism. Check Dunamis & Salvation ministries (biggest Pentecostal brands in the Middlebelt & SS) and u will see that Igbos make up like 35% of both churches. Especially the Delta & Rivers Igbos (these ones are not strongly Catholic like those in the SE).

Yes, Orthodox Churches of SUM origin like ECWA, COCIN, CRCN, EYN e.t.c dominate the Middlebelt & the north with like 70%. However, we also have many Pentecostal converts too just like the Igbos and the numbers keep growing everyday. We also have a strong native Baptist, Seventh day Adventist & even White garment population.

And mind you, not only Pentecostal members attend Pentecostal based universities. As long as they are Christian schools, all middle-class christians prefer them for their wards.


Yes, there are international students in Covenant, but what are their percentages? Like 0.5%. My brother went there and I asked him these questions.
As for abroad based Nigerians who come to covenant universitiy, it's almost same percentage between Yorubas & Non-Yorubas and many of these abroad based Nigerians actually get expelled cos they cannot keep up with the strict religious doctrines in the school.


See bros, I was in Tafawa Balewa town in Bauchi some months ago and the town felt a little bit dry to me, considering it's size.
You just know something is missing there.
Hausa fulanis were evicted from that town by Sayawa natives 9 years ago and that was the reason for that emptiness.
Hausa fulanis are an enterprising people unlike we Middlebelt tribes and when they left, the vibes of that place was no longer there.

You and me know that you Yorubas are also not as enterprising as Igbos. If Igbos leave Lagos, it's not as if Lagos will completely die, no! But it will loose it's appeal, it's vibes, it's cosmopolitanism. Capital ownership & Consumer population will reduce.
I just don't know to explain this for u to get, until u have experienced something like this u won't get what I'm saying.

And who will replace Igbos if they leave Lagos? Hausa fulanis? Beninoise? Togolese?

See, Settlers actually give every cosmopolitan city a certain vibes that won't be there.

Jos would have been as cosmopolitan as Kaduna, but many settlers fled Jos due to the repeated crisis. When I was in Kaduna recently, men it felt like I was in the South. The city was just very cosmopolitan, unlike Jos where natives outnumber settlers everywhere (except for Hausa areas).

Lagos would be like Ibadan if Igbos leave. If Nigerdeltans & Middlebelters also leave, it will be like Ogbomosho, Osogbo or Iwo.

tubolancer:
Which east? We don't even need you for anything in Yorubaland. Go and your little space will be occupied the next second.