₦airaland Forum

KunleyY19:
CAN be complaining about marginalization.

What will the most marginalized region in Kwara do
Kwara North This is non issue. Ilorin is the political hub of the state and by far the largest so they decide who gets what. And they are predominantly Muslims. I have never met an Ilorin indigene that's a Christian unless he converted and even at that he has no say.

So it's not a religious thing Ilorin are kingmakers and they decide what they want either along zonal lines or religious lines...
I doubt if you can even win an election in Kwara without a Muslim Name... More reason Saraki was giveb 'Abubakar'

it's the norms in the state, it's just like Muslims in Ekiti shouting or Muslims in the east complaining.

Are Ilorin indigenes the only ones in Kwara state?
Kwara south has more indigenes than Kwara central & Kwara north and Kwara south is slightly Christian majority.

Comparing Kwara where Christians are up to 40% to Ekiti where muslims are like 10% of SE where Muslims are non-existent is the height of ignorance.

arcis:
Ekiti, Ondo are other states in the east and south south has no Muslim representatives at all. But CAN will keep quiet.

Abeg...Leave the Governor alone..it has been like that since 1999. Same thing in Ekiti and Ondo..99% of all appointments are Christians....

arcis:
What about the right of Muslims in other state like Ekiti, Ondo, Delta, Imo just to mention a few...

Apart from Edo state with 10% muslims, SE & SS have no Indigenous muslims. How on Earth can people who do not exist be marginalized?

In Ondo & Ekiti, there is no single LGA that is muslim majority! Can u compare this to Kwara that has many LGAs that are Christian majority?

Alajiki:
Flat-headed fool! Go and dictate in your red mud republic! How many Muslims are on the Ondo and Ekiti States cabinets?

Dindinrin

And what is the percentage of Muslims in Ondo & Ekiti state compared to Christians in Kwara state?

Kuginzi:
You're a big liar. Christians are still the minority in Kwara State. Mark my word; "In this present time of Democracy, A Christian can never become a Governor in Kwara State because they are the minority". And if u don't believe me, u can come and contest or campaign for a Christian candidate.

Nobody is saying that Christians are the majority in Kwara. However, Christians are up to 40% in Kwara and they are not an insignificant minority, hence they must never be treated as an insignificant minority.

There is a very big difference between an insignificant minority and a significant minority. Both are not the same.

Kuginzi:
I swear this CAN of people funny die.!! Can Muslims claim POLITICAL appointment in Christian dominated states?

Yes, don't muslims claim political appointment in Taraba & Plateau states?

First of all, u have to ask what the percentage of muslims are in that state!

Can muslims be claiming marginalization in the SE or SS states where they don't exist?

12bolakale:
Have the make the same complaints in Ondo and Ekiti where everything is Christian

Can the percentage of muslims in Ondo or Ekiti be compared to that of Christians in Kwara?

Evercurious:
How? I dont get this. You mean you were not given a State of Origin Certificate? Or what?

This is not a new thing na. Kwara state is only working based on orders from the Sultanate.

Christian indigenes from Hausa land (Kano, Katsina, Zaria) do not get indigene certificates from their LGAs unless they answer pure Muslim names!
But a Nigerien or Chadien will walk into that same office and get one without any stress.

Some of u Christians do not really know that we are sharing the same nationality with jihadists and terrorists ba?

darfay:
There are hardly any indegenious Muslims in ss/se. There are no indegenious Muslims in Delta State, so what marginalisation are you talking of? Can you marginalize a people that do not exist?

Don't mind the foools. Muslims take Christians so much for granted in this country and no be their fault. It is because of how divided and too good we Christians are.

Muslims will be comparing Kwara where 40% of the population are Christians to Delta state where muslims do not exist. U can imagine.

Kwara cannot even be compared to Ondo or Plateau where muslims are like 20%.

Only Taraba should be compared to Kwara.

fmprof:
I wouldn't know where u got ur statistics but I will advise you to stop misleading people.., I'm a Kwaran from Kwara North and a Christian! There are many Christians in both Kw north and south so stop being stupidly foolish!

This is interesting. Pls are u Nupe or Bariba?

Empiree:
Your antics will not work. I know kiriyo very well. What's stopping you from asking for their evil manifesto?. I will post it here if you or anyone ask. Don't be afraid.

Your pastors evil was documented in the 90s. It is filled with hate ni ilu to ni oba?. They got away with it but my generation will hold them responsible.

Go to Saki (OYO state) and ask what CAN did there some weeks ago. We must do everything to decimate CAN in ilorin. It is a devil terrorist.

Abeg, what did they do? Tell us na

fraymite:
Some people are calling the governor jihadist. Can a jihadist marry Christian as a wife? The governor wife is Christian therfore he isn't a jihadist. Secondly, did Christians expect 50/50 in Kwara? They must be fooling themselves. They are even in government more than ratio of Muslims in Ekiti and Benue. What about South West Governors that majority are Christians? It's a lie that Christians were marginalized in Kwara.

Are you people okay? What is the percentage of Muslims in Ekiti & Benue states compared to Christians in Kwara state?

Can u mention 1 LGA in Benue or Ekiti that is muslim majority? In Kwara, at least 4 LGAs are Christian Majority.

kotv:
That’s the main problem with the situation. Nobody wants to be their brother’s keeper anymore. The Fulanis are still actively doing as they please because of stuff like this. I heard there’s an ethnic group in Northern Nigeria that the Fulanis are deadly afraid of. From stories I heard the last time they clashed with that Christian group, they burned the Fulanis alive and the Fulanis accused them of also eating them during that time. Which is why they are deadly afraid of them. I don’t know the name of the ethnic group but, it shows the group have the power to unite all Northern minorities and subdue the Fulani menace over there.

Lol . It is Rukuba road boys that burnt and ate Hausa fulanis in 2010 after the Jos crises, it wasn't a particular tribe.
It was not as if they really ate and swallowed the meat , they were just demonstrating it to tease the Hausas.

Here was what happened. After the crisis, many ppls blood was still hot and the land where Hausa fulanis do their eid prayers was now an exclusive Christian area.
The Christian boys warned Hausa fulanis not to come to that area for their eid, but u know Hausa fulanis now, they don't understand word of mouth, violence is the only language they speak, so they still went there against all warning. That was how they were surrounded and burnt to ashes.


However, when it comes to list of Middlebelt tribes that are deadly to fulanis

1 Mambilla (Taraba)
2 Tarok (Plateau)
3 Sayawa (Bauchi)
4 Eggon (Nasarawa)
5 Jukun (Taraba)
6 Jaba (Kaduna)
7 Kataf (Kaduna)
8 Bajju (Kaduna)
9 Bachama (Adamawa)
10 Michika (Adamawa)

These are the top 10. If only these 10 tribes combine against Fulanis, even without the help of other tribes, they can push Fulanis into Niger republic.
Some of these tribes are even deadly and toxic to their own neighbors who are Christians, let alone Hausa fulanis.

pazienza:
Nowenuse:

Well, I wouldn't say I know Christopher personally, as I have never met him in person. But we do communicate on facebook alot and are friends.
Osita is in Germany, I haven't met him personally, but hopefully soon. He is a person I hold in high regard. We do chat on facebook messenger about general and personal issues.
As for my posts sounding alike with Christopher's . It's not a surprise, we are both Igbo nationalists and would most definitely see things through same prism.

Okay nice. So, if I want to ask Osita about you, give me a clue with which it can be possible. You can quote my comment on another thread to do so pls.

Problem is that no SE Igbo will ever be comfortable with Anioma Bini stories. This is because they are mostly illogical, and secondarily, they tie Anioma to Bini and Oba of Bini.
We can never be comfortable with an Anioma king who goes to Bini to bow down to the current Yoruba dynasty of king seated on the throne. The Oba Bini is a scion of of the Yoruba Ife dynasty, just like Attah Igala is to Junkun.
Yoruba are our eternal rivals as far as Nigeria project is concerned, we will not accept wholly a people tied to a throne with Yoruba written all over it.
Our understanding is that Anioma is an aboriginal Igbo land, that over the years accommodated Bini, Igala, etc fugitives, and at a point got colonized by Oba Bini.
But overtime, the Aboriginal Igbos managed to Igbonize all the other groups. This is the rational narrative we are pushing, because this is a narrative that presents the Bini as fugitives in Igboland and could help us free Anioma from Oba Bini grasp, we want an independent Anioma, not one tied to Bini. An Anioma tied to Bini is of no use to Ndiigbo in SE.
We want the story of Anioma communities told from the angle of aboriginals, not from those of Bini, Igala, etc fugitives it's currently centered on. When we say this, our Anioma brothers take it as insult. But we know for certain that there were aboriginal Igbo speaking groups on ground in Anioma, who the rest met their. The aboriginal stories were suppressed for too long, but they are there, we are only asking that they go back to it. Eri/Nri did same and are now even claiming to be head Igbos.
We insist that oral accounts are not sacrosanct, and must be reviewed to be in tandem with our goal of Igbo unity.
Do you know that in the past Eri/Nri people use to have an irrational Igala origin stories? But all those have been reviewed when the people realized how irrational they are.
Anioma would have to meet us at the middle, good a thing, lots of Anioma communities are beginning to review these oral fallacies, and I remain hopeful for the future.

Myself and Osita recently had an argument with another Anioma person and some SE Igbos. The SE Igbos were insisting that the name DELTA IGBO should be abolished and that IGBO is IGBO, I supported the SE Igbos cos to the best of my understanding, Hausas & Yorubas who share the same state with minority tribes in Kwara, Kogi, Kaduna, Bauchi & Kebbi do not identity themselves as Kwara Yoruba or Kaduna Hausa. So, to me the excuse of Delta Igbo being because the Aniomas share a state with other minorities does not hold water.

However, Osita explained to me in a very long call why they must stick with the DELTA IGBO tag. As they are unique and can never loose their uniqueness to a larger Igbo identity. I perfectly understood where he was coming from and I agreed with him.

Are you aware that Kings and traditional rulers from Nsukka axis always go to Idah to pay homage, respects and even get coronated? Whenever the Attah of Igala is celebrating his birthday, anniversary on throne or coronation, come and see the array of Nsukka Kings that are always present. I have seen it Korokoro! One of the Nsukka Kings even said that he is very proud of his roots (Idah) and that when he goes back to Nsukka he will tell his people about the richness of their roots and origins.

So, why is it that SE Igbos hardly talk about Nsukka affiliation with Igala? Is it cos Nsukka people do not deny their Igbo identity?

Imagine if Nsukka people since colonial era had been under the Northern region and being classified in same states & provinces with Igalas, Idomas & Igedes, and have been reporting to Jos or Kaduna as their state capital, don't u know that many of them would have also been caught up in the Igbo denial issue?

You Igbos have always presented yourself as republicans, please let it remain that way. Do you know that when other minorities see you guys forcing yourselves on the Aniomas, it scares some of them and reinforces the belief that they can never join you guys in the Biafran project? Same thing with the Rivers Igbos and even the Aniomas themselves.
I have met many Aniomas & Rivers Igbos who said that they reject Igbo identity because of the overbearing and forceful nature of the SErn Igbos.
See in life if someone is skeptical towards u and you force yourself and your opinions on the person, the person comes to hate you the more?
But when u just ignore the person as if he doesn't exist and focus on the progress of your own life, the person is even drawn to u the more.

Yes, it is very true that the Aboriginal Anioma people were originally Igbo speaking, but is this not also the same thing with the Itsekiris?
The Itsekiris were coastal Ijebu speakers who were united under one kingdom by a runaway/exiled Benin prince and today many Itsekiris will tell u that they are of Benin origin.

In history, it can be well seen that settlers who have a superior culture/kingship values always end up dominating the docile Aboriginal natives whom they met.
Today, almost all Ogwashi uku people will tell u they came from Nri, but that is not true, the Nri people also met aboriginal people when they came to Ogwash.
The Attah of Igala and many Igalas today will tell you that they came from Kwararafa, but not all Igalas came from Kwararafa. Those who came from Kwararafa and took the leadership of Igala land met aboriginal Yoruba speaking Akpoto people there! Infact, not until few decades ago, there was a sort of caste system between the Kwararafan settlers and the aboriginal Akpoto people. That is why till date if Igalas want to deride each other, they call themselves Akpoto in a derogatory manner

Anyway, I understand your point on how u want the Igbo nation to distance itself from anything that has to do with Benin-Yoruba values. Just that unfortunately we cannot rewrite history.

In Ilorin, every indigene speaks Yoruba and has Yoruba names, but those of fulani ancestry know themselves and u cannot drive them away or sperate them from other Ilorin people cos they are one and indifferentiable now.

So so many of the Aniomas today are of Benin origin, Igala origin e.t.c and in some cases, these ones are the ones from Royal background who rule over the land. How do u drive them away? Even if they were immigrants, they have blended into the society and became one with the aboriginal people.... They see themselves as one and have no problem with each other.
Human civilization has always been this way. It cannot be changed.

Even in the core SE, are there no people who claim Benin origin? Like Onitsha, Ogbaru & Oguta people? Even others apart from them too. You guys have not silenced those ones.

This is why I always tell those people who think Hausas & Fulanis can be separated to keep on dreaming. It can never happen. They have merged as one.

As for the Rivers Igboids? They are not Igbos, as far as I'm personally concerned. In time, when rationality takes place of sentiments, other Igbos will come to same realization. I would rather call an Ibibio Or Annang a brother than call an Ikwerre man a brother.

Having said that. It doesn't mean I hate or antagonize the Igboids of Rivers state. I just don't see them as brothers, I see them as mere neighbours, that Ndiigbo should relate with in matters of mutual interests sans sentiments, nothing more and nothing less. And if for any reason their interests are at variance with ours, we shouldn't waste time to throw them under the bus to protect our own interests, if we can.

I hope you know that not all Rivers Igbos are deniers? Even among Ikwerre, Ogba & Ekpeye, there are still proud Igbos, albeit minorities.
Ndoki & Egbema are mostly not deniers, while Etche & Ndoni are like a 50-50.

So do you just throw away all the Proud Igbos in Rivers because of Ikwerre deniers?
Anyway, I think your approach is even better, you know, minorities and those who may be majority but prefer minority status are very complicated. The more you show them interest, the more they do shakara for you

The Jukuns are strong people and have resisted the Fulani strongly. That's why Taraba Christians remain politically relevant. The minorities of Adamawa are too easy going and easily enticed into Islam to gain crumbs from Fulani table in terms of power. That has been the problem of Adamawa Christians and minorities.

Numan federation (5 LGAs) are also strong people in Adamawa who have never come under the rulership or influence of fulanis and that is why they are 99% Christian there. The problem Numan people have are other Christian tribes of Adamawa who have so much influence and control of Fulanis.

This is unlike Taraba where Mumuyes (another large Christian tribe) also give fulanis a run for their money. Jukuns alone without the help of Mumuyes will see to Fulani domination of Taraba. It is because Jukuns & Mumuyes have been united, that is why Fulanis cannot dominate Taraba.
Fulanis don try try taya to pitch Jukuns against Mumuyes, but it is not working.

Uniting Christians in Taraba is easier cos by the time you have Jukunoids & Mumuyes on the table, you automatically have 80% of Taraba christians.
But in Adamawa, even if u have Numan Federation & Michika, you just have 50% of the Christians in the state. You still need Kilba Christians, Chamba christians, Marghi Christians & Gombi Christians before you reach 80% Christian. And unfortunately, some of these Christians are still very much attached to their tribe and they will prefer to support a muslim from their tribe than a Christian from another tribe, although this is radically changing.

Otherwise if you are talking about Indigenous tribes accepting Islam, Taraba even has a higher number of indigene muslims!
No Indigenous tribe in Adamawa is muslim majority, but in Taraba, Jibawa, Chamba Bali & Wurbo people are muslim majority, while Mambilla, Wanu & Kam are 50-50!

Even almighty Mumuye & Jukun (Wapan, Kpanzu, Ichen ) have like 20% Muslims each. But in Adamawa, almost all the tribes in Numan Federation are 99% Christian. Michika are over 90% Christian.

So, take it from me bro, Taraba christians had a bit of luck on their side.
Otherwise, how come they had no power in old Gongola state (where Taraba & Adamawa were still together)?

I wouldn't be banking on any of those old guards.
Many of them have too many skeletons in their cardboard that Fulani masters have at their disposal.
They will self destruct if they try to buy into secession agenda. They are not free men, only free men can fight for freedom. They are like slaves whose corrupt and I'll gotten wealth of the past and present is like a chain to their necks. They are same in Igboland. You can't count on them for any society altruistic goals. For their own preservation, they would serve the interest of One Nigeria and those who control them, they don't have options, they are not free men, cost of freedom is too much for them.

You are very correct. I just take TY with a bit of optimism cos his actions lately speak volumes. When I was in Taraba/Adamawa recently, and I heard some things he was doing, I was optimistic. He may not support seccession, but he supports anything to empower & uplift northern christians. Our interests may allign only there.
However, with or without him, we must achieve our goals.

tamdun:
Ibolo are offa people and majority of them are Muslims, I know offa very well, in fact u can ask any offa native, as for igbomina, I just listed their major towns and they are dominated by Muslims

Omu-aran is the biggest Igbomina town in Kwara state and it is 80% Christian.

Look at a Google map screenshot below from the town. Only 1 mosque is showing in the town if u use Google map, but everywhere na church. You don't know Kwara at all.

tamdun:
Oga don't tell me lies, mention any major towns in kwara South where we have majority Christian, is it omu aran, omupo, oro, offa, Ajase? Oga am from Kwara and I know what am saying

In Kwara south, Igbolo & Igbomina people are 50-50! While Ekiti people (Ekiti & Oke-oro) are entirely Christians. Do the mathematics for yourself and see.

Christians slightly outnumber Muslims in Kwara south because of the Ekiti speaking people who are entirely Christians.

tamdun:
Can are hypocrites, what about ekiti, ondo, benue etc?

What is the percentage of Muslims in Benue, Ekiti & Ondo compared to Christians in Kwara?

Do u know that 50-60% of Kwara south are Christians?
Is there any senatorial district in Benue, Ekiti & Ondo where Muslims have such figures?

iwaeda:
Ask him where Sarah Jibril is from?

Or where Joana Nnazua Kolo ( the youngest commissioner in Nigeria) comes from?

These are some of the reasons why I want Nigeria to divide. Muslim extremist in the middlebelt and Southern Nigeria are only thriving because of the presence of Hausa fulanis. Divide Nigeria and their power is destroyed.

noleflendum:
CAN can cry till eternity
Kwara is a Muslim state

iwaeda:
Are you truthful Sir, so you dont have Christians in Edu, Asa, Pategi, Ilorin, Afon, Moro? Go and learn your history again.

Don't mind the ignoramus and extremist, he is claiming that Kwara north & central are all muslims when there are so many Nupe & Bariba Christians.

The former deputy governor of the state for 8 years, Peter Kisira was a Bariba man. So many Nupe & Baruba Christians have become commissioners and occupied other major positions and this one is here telling us nonsense.

noleflendum:
wayray
Let me give you further analysis
Kwara central 100% Muslims to Nil
Kwara North. 99% Muslims to 1%
Kwara south. 70% Muslims to 30%

noleflendum:
Christians are minorities in Kwara state
You can not see a Christian in both Kwara central and Kwara North

What you are saying is absolute bullshit.

Christians in Kwara north are at least 30%. Same with Kwara central, while in Kwara south, Christians have the slight majority.

Nupe & Bariba Christians from Kwara north always produce the deputy governors of the state, stop saying rubbish.

Kwara is 60% muslim, 40% Christian.

Naajjii:
Mr man go to hell , I don't care about you or whatever , I only care about north central upto north east and north west muslims . Go and talk to you Nyamiri brothers cos you have Nyamiri mentality.

You don't care about Myobjective, a Yoruba muslim, but you care about North-central Muslims?
Do u know that a large chunk of muslims in the North-central are Yorubas? From Kwara? Remove Yoruba muslims from North-central and see how many muslims u have left.

Foool.

Naajjii:
Mr imposter like I keep saying you are Nyamiri , that's who you are so I will only engage on that level as Nyamiri. All what you just claimed about Jukun killing Muslims , sayawa , michika etc it is out there those crying everyday in the north about how their land and culture is being erased. I don't want to go into that because that's what you Igbo people want us to be engaging in, you can't bring me into that. All what am motivated about is Ipob terrorist headed by that porn star

Hahaha, goat. Yes, Christians complain cos they have access to the media and have numbers. Mention one middlebelt tribe that have been completely driven out of their lands by the fulanis with all the cries.

Call your muslim friends in Bauchi, Adamawa & Taraba to tell u what happens in those places I mentioned. Nonsense.

I have told u the areas muslims have territorial power in the middlebelt. Outside those places, they can easily be evicted cos they do not have the numbers and territorial advantage.

The reason u still have the mouth to talk now is because all the Christian tribes have not united to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The day they do that. A full blown war will not be too far.
And I can promise u that this is coming very soon.

myobjective:
Islam is only used as a bonding and brotherhood platform by the Sahelian tribes who have no other ideology to hold on to.

Middle belt and southern Muslim see ethnicity as a better uniting factor than religion. I will never watch a barbarian kill my brother who is Christain because I'm a Muslim. I'll always side with my Christians, pagans and Atheist brother to fight and destroy the Sahelian barbarian.

Do you understand?

Unfortunately, some middlebelt Muslims have caught the dangerous Islamic virus from the core-north.

As it stands, Only Igala muslims I can still say are very much like Yoruba muslims. Half of Ebira muslims have been infected by the virus. Same with Nupes, Alago & Gbagyi muslims.

Although, most of these middlebelt muslims who have caught the virus have still not transformed to be full blown terrorists like the Core-northerners, but they are very sentimental and terrorists by heart.

ogbuefi677:
For the Tivs,their reason for feeling they can have an alliance with hausa/Fulani is both childish and nauseating.
Just b/c a lot of Idomas rose to prominence during the PDP/David Mark days,they are ready to dine with a known evil to ensure they continue dominating the Idomas.
I jus de pity them.
Gideon Orkar must be weeping in his grave.

Seriously bro, the Tivs have reduced themselves to the depth of pettiness and shallowness.
As the largest ethnic group in the middlebelt with 99% Christian population, they are supposed to be the ones uniting all other Northern minorities against the core-north.

Tivs are behaving like Yorubas.

The Tivs of this era have completely lost it. You sometimes wonder if this is the same Tiv ethnic group where the likes of Gideon Orkar came from.

ZKOSOSO:
Oga...my final year project study area was entire Zaria zone made up of Giwa, Chika, Samaru, Sabon gari, Zaria City, wusasa/tukurtukr/kafar doka etc..
Spent 20 weeks collecting raw data myself on people there.
Samaru, Palladan, Sabon gari/PZ, Wusasa all have very clear Christians majority howbeit settlers of Southern and Middlebelt extractions.
TudunWada down to Kongo to Zaria city, Giwa, Tukurtukr and all have very high HausaFulanis Muslims.
Chika is roughly 40:60 cos it's ABUTH effects

Thank u for helping me tell this ignorant soul. At least I am not the only one in this.

abduljabbar4:
Look my friend, I am not saying there are few Christians in Zaria. They are there in millions but comparing their population with that of the Muslims in places like SAMARU is what I strongly laugh at. It's just unreasonable and any body who has been to those areas would be arguing. The last time I went to Wusasa was around 2009 I think when I visited someone in the hospital that's why I'm not stressing on it but even at that, my little observation suggests that Muslims might outnumber the Christians. As for Sabon Gari, Palladan and the rest, forget it.

See, you are saying Muslims MIGHT outnumber Christians in Wusasa. You are not even sure, this shows that u know how much Christians are in those areas and the funny thing is that if Samaru & Sabongari are even bigger than Wusasa and has more churches than Wusasa.

If u check Google maps, u will clearly confirm this.

Okay, let's assume the sarautas do not prove anything. Are you aware that Islam has been existing in Hausa land for over 600 years? Zaria is a member of the Hausa bakwai zones which has always been dominated by Muslims. Samaru was not established in 2013 or so. The grandparents of some of my friends were born there and guess what? They were all Muslims. But let's even get that out of the way. Just ask someone living in Zaria to give you an estimate. Exchanging noise here will not help either of us.

Oga, a place been Islamic for thousands of years does not mean that Christians cannot outnumber Muslims there based on certain factors.
Take Suleja town for example, in the past it used to be a clear muslim majority town cos it was founded over 200 years ago by Zaria Hausa muslim indigenes who fled Danfodio's jihad.

Go to Suleja today and u will see that Christians have now outnumbered Muslims there because of the development from Abuja.
Same thing with Keffi, Keffi town is now like a 50-50 because of Karu's influence from Abuja and the university there.
Jos north is like 40% muslims today, 100 years ago, that was not the case, you had only pagan indigenes all over.

What about Kaduna city? 120 years ago, there were only Gbagyi pagan villages everywhere. Today, Muslim settlers make up half of Kaduna city, where did they come from?

For the records, yes, Saminaka is a Muslim land. Even the name alone should tell you that.

Not even Pambeguwa is muslim land, let alone Saminaka. Saminaka is Kurama land, same thing with Pambeguwa. Even down to parts of Southern Kano (like Doguwa LGA).
Letter P does not exist in Hausa language, so how come the name Pambeguwa?

That was how you people claimed to be the owners of Zango town until Katafs evicted you people from that town, same with Kafanchan, same with Tafawa Balewa (Bauchi), same with Yelwa-Shendam (Plateau).

It is either Saminaka is Kurama land or it is Hausa land, cos there is nothing like 'Muslim land'.
So I am asking you the question, do u consider Saminaka & Pambeguwa to be Hausa land or Kurama land?
Do u know that all the villages & towns surrounding Saminaka & Pambeguwa are Kurama Christian communities?

Election results should tell you that. If there is truly political apathy among christians then how come the polling unit results in Unguwan Gado (i vote in Kaduna all the time) do not go way lower than those of the surrounding muslim areas? Apathy or not, One party cannot get 700 votes and the other manages 112 and you tell me that it's because the others don't like voting. Besides a lot of Muslims don't go out to vote as well. If yoy are talking about the photoshppped images that you guys have been sharing about underaged voters then yes, we even carry pur donkeys to polling units. My question is, where were the PDP agents? You think they are going to bare their teeth when such malpractice is happening? From Buhari being a clone to Islamization agenda, we have heard a lot of propaganda from you guys. You always have excuses

Do u know that many Christian sects discourages, abhors and even prohibits voting and all forms of politics? E.g Jehovah's witnesses. There are over 1 million Jehovah's witnesses in Nigeria and they do not vote! Are u aware?
In my whole family, only myself and my mother have ever voted, my other siblings, uncles, aunties, my cousin's and my father have never voted in their lives. Can u say the same of your family?
Christians have a stronger voter apathy than muslims and this is something everybody, including muslims know.
This is even worse in a place where the Christians are settlers!

All world rankings and statistics predict Abuja urban & Karu to have almost 10 million people, yet do u see the figures reflect in elections?

Or is it Lagos we should talk about? Lagos has over 20 million people by all world estimates, how many people register for elections and vote in that same Lagos? Abeg just forget.

You just said it yourself, Google maps doesn't capture mushroom churches. So why had it not occurred to you that they dont capture musqes as well? Let's not even talk about the congregational prayers that are held in open spaces.

Talking about markets, I did not say that one should only consider the sellers. In fact, discard the sellers and concentrate on the buyers. (Unless you want to tell me that Christians in Samaru only shop online). Even when you look at the buyers, it sounds absurd to compare their numbers. Okay, if you say that we should not make a sample from the pedestrians we see on the roads, from the markets and from election results, can you kindly mention the criteria we should use?

Finally, I had a laugh when I saw your claims about kabala, hayin banki and co. Christian majority

Have u wondered why whenever religious crisis happens in the north and curfew is placed, the curfew ends up affecting Hausa fulani muslims more than the Christians? And your people start crying and complaining of Yunwa (hunger)?

This is because Christians tend to buy their foods in bulk compared to you guys.
This is also supported by the fact that Northern christians farm more than you people and usually have a lot of food in bulk. Also, we prefer civil service jobs, hence whenever salaries come, we buy our foods in bulk at the end of the month and keep.
Students on the other hand tend to bring much food from their family houses when coming to school.

Hausa fulani muslims on the other hand tend to buy whatever they cook that same day. A typical Hausa man selling Rake (sugarcane) and his wife is in Kule. It is the money from the daily sales of his Rake and the tallen masa that his daughter did that they will use to buy food to eat for that day....
Do Christians live such kind of lives? How then do u expect Christians to have same numbers with muslims in markets?

Northern Christians do very poorly in anything buying and selling. Farming, Civil service and Education is where u find us.

So, using buyers & sellers in markets to judge religious demography of a place is wrong!

Go to the South, Most Hausa fulanis live around the major markets where they do their businesses.
In Warri city where I grew up for example, there is a big Hausa quarters and many mosques inside Igbudu market. Hausa fulanis make up like 20% of that market area. Will it not be a very foolish thing for me to say because of this, then Hausa fulanis make up 20% of Warri city?


Yes, Google maps will not capture mushroom churches and mosques, but they will capture churches and mosques with landmark buildings and that is why 4 churches : 1 mosque is a perfect ratio to determine the religious percentage of a place.
Muslims & Christians cannot live in places without mosques or churches, it is impossible.

Anywhere there are up to 1,000 Muslims or Christians, there must be at least 1 landmark church or mosque where they worship, or can u deny this?

Google maps is the best method we can use in telling what a place looks like!

Look below at the first picture below showing Sabongari, the 2nd one showing Cikin gari Zaria around Tudunwada. Can u see the clear cut difference between both? Churches dominate one and mosques dominate the other? And here u are insulting our intelligence to tell us that muslims outnumber Christians in Sabongari. You are joking.

Naajjii:
He is a religion Bigot

And u are what? A saint and all loving person?

Hausa fulanis are always the first to start crying for peace and unity whenever they are matched in their lunacy.

After the 2010 Jos crises, come and see the way Hausa fulanis started shouting we want peace, attending and mobilizing all manners of peace meetings and peace groups.

Demonic people.

And u this Senatordave1 or whatever u call yourself, I hope you know that u cannot deceive anyone here that you are from Akwa-cross?

We all know that you are a northern muslim.

pazienza:
Christopher is a good friend of mine, on facebook, but I'm not him. I am, and have always been on Proudly Anioma Proudly Igbo forum. I and many other Eastern Igbos, including Christopher once had disagreements with our Anioma brothers there, we all left the forum after heated arguments surrounding the Biniphillic origin stories , but my love for Igboland took me back there, and I'm happy I went back, because we all seem to understand each other better now. Osita Mordi the admin of the group is a mentor and someone I look up to, a real all round nice guy and proudly Igbo man from Ika delta state.

Igbos rapport well with Adamawa people, especially Michika part. I was once in Mubi and Michika . You need to see the investments Ndiigbo have in those town. Do you know that Adamawa is like 50% Christian state.
It was an unbelievable experience for me. Groups Like Gude, Falli, Marighi, Kiliba, Higgi (Michika) , have large Christian population. But unfortunately, the Christians and minorities here are not in power, their brothers who are Muslims seem to always sell them out to the Hausa-Fulani in the name of Islam.

The issue of useless old guards and selfish political class who put personal benefits over group survival, is same issue we have In Igboland. The situation is just a bit hopeless. But we still keep hope.

I like your passion for freedom for middlebelt , it mirrors mine for Igbo. We are not so different. Just born into different ethnic background and surroundings.

One day we shall all be free.

Okay nice.
I have always been observing Christopher's comments and yours on nairaland and mehn, they look so so so similar.

I am also a member of Proudly Anioma, Proudly Igbo cos one of the admins there is my very very good friend. We talk almost every day! I have even passed a night in his place and I know his family members.

Do Christopher & Mordi know you personally? If yes, Perhaps I can ask them for your contact or I could just PM you.

I always saw the way you South-eastern Igbos fought with the Anioma Igbos over stories of origin..... Pls you people should stop doing that!
We thank God that so many Anioma people acknowledge their Igbo identity unlike those in Rivers state.
So if an Anioma man tells you that his ancestors were from Benin, but today he is proud to be an Igbo, I see no reason why u must argue with him.


Adamawa is actually 65% Christian and not even 50-50.
Michika people are like 90% Christian.
Marghi & other Madagali tribes are like 75% christian.
Kilbas are 70% Christian.

While among Mubi indigenes (Fali, Gude & Nzanyi), Fali are 75% Christian, Gude are 60% Christian while Nzanyi are a 50-50.

If you go to Central & Southern Adamawa, you will find many tribes like Bachama, Batta, Lunguda, Bille, Bali, Yandang, Bare e.t.c that are 99% Christians.

People mistakenly think Taraba has more Christians than Adamawa cos Christians dominate politics in Taraba, but that is just very false.
Adamawa has more Christians by far than Taraba in population, while in percentage, both states are 65-70% Christian.

Taraba christians are just more fortunate because their tribes are more united and larger in size and they have people like TY Danjuma.


Yes u are correct, our Christian selfish old elites and politcal class are a collective problem we have, but I thank God that the most influential elite we northern christians have (TY Danjuma) is now strongly Anti-Arewa. My group are to be meeting with him this year, but Corona is slowing all these things down. I just hope TY buys into seccession. If he does, the other elites can go and burn to ashes. But I fear TY may not buy into the division of Nigeria because of his oilwells . However, he is old and he could want to make things right for his children before he dies. You can see how his actions have been recently.

Yes of course, your people and mine must be free, just that we have to work together.

If not for this coronavirus bastard, I am supposed to be in Canada now. I plan on meeting with Nnamdi Kanu this year or at most early next year.

After this Corona issue, I will be making strong efforts to reach out to strong pro seccession Igbo persons & Igbo groups, online & offline. I already have a link to some already but I will also be counting on the likes of you, Yujin, Supan and a few others who are tested and trusted over the years, not those who open fake accounts on nairaland claiming to be Igbos or Northern christians.

Just like one abbokki here opened a northern Christian account few days ago claiming to be a Sayawa man and so passionate of the liberation of Northern christians, telling me how fulanis killed his uncles. All because he wants me to PM him so that he will get my identity.
The mugu think say I be JJC for nairaland. I asked him to tell me the name of his village, quarter & clan in Sayawa land, let me call the Sayawa youth leader to confirm immediately, and he ran away!
I asked him one of the simplest questions in Sayawa language which even non-Sayawa indigenes of Bauchi would know, but the iddiot could not answer it.

9jakool:
No, you are good. Your estimates make sense. A few Notes about Ilorin:
The reason why the older areas in the NW core of Ilorin have more mosques compared to the churches in the periphery areas in the East and South has to do with the restriction of early missionaries in the old quarters where Ilorin indigines were concentrated. The first Christian missionaries and churches set up in the those areas and introduced Christianity along with western education. Christianity as a percentage has been growing slowly as Ilorin expands beyond its historical quarters. I still think it's more islamic, but I wouldn't be shocked if has 40% Christians.

Igbominaland is actually quite extensive from Share near Nupe to Ila in Osun state, so religious distribution is not quite even. Ilorin has spilled over to Igbominaland especially in Ifelodun as you have fusion with many satelite towns like Ganmo and Amoyo. It's hard to guess, but of the 4 Igbomina LGAs in Kwara, I would say Ilorin East and Ifelodun have slightly more muslims. Isin and Irepodun have christian majority as well as the Ekiti areas (Oke Ero and Ekiti lgas). The 2 most populous Igbomina towns are Ila in Osun and Omu aran in Kwara and both of these are christian majority. Offa and Ikirun are both Ibolo btw, but Offa and Oyun should be 50-50 within margins of error.

Ok thank you very much for this analysis.

This clearly confirms that Christians are the majority in Kwara south with like 60% of the population and Kwara south has like 40-45% of the Indigenous population of Kwara state, yet you will see some ignorant people come to tell you that Kwara state is 70-80% Muslim.

Many Yorubas even believe that most Yorubas in Kwara are muslim majority and I tell them it is not true. Yorubas in Kwara are a close 50-50 call, just like Oyo & Osun.
It is because of the Nupes & Baribas in Kwara north that makes Kwara a clear muslim majority state.
If Yorubas in Kwara had a state of their own, it would have been no different from Oyo & Osun state in settings.


Btw, is Ilorin east Igbomina land? I thought it was Asa LGA that is Igbomina land, please verify.

And what about Moro LGA? Which Yoruba subgroup do they belong to?


I apologise for making you perform religious analysis on Yoruba land, cos I know Yorubas very well. Religious differences & figures are the least of your problems. It's just unfortunate that you guys have to be merged with other Nigerians who take religious differences so seriously. That is why I tell Yorubas that you guys are the ones who need to pull out of Nigeria the most cos if this religious virus spreads into your land, your ethnic group will not survive it.

My last question, I promise not to go further.
What is your opinion on the religious percentage of Oyo, Osun, Ogun, Ekiti, Ondo & Kogi Yorubas between Christians & Muslims?

Naajjii:
But that your nyamiri brother that created this topic is saying otherwise that central Nigeria is Christian dominated and they deal with middlebelt Muslims and we say we are waiting, middlebelt is a Muslim dominated place they can't do shit. Our Muslim brothers will finish Nowenuse and his co travelers first , we will be on standby. DO YOU UNDDERSTAND

See this goat! Where were your so called muslim brothers when Gbagyi youths in Bwari town (FCT) attacked every muslim on sight and almost finished them off if not for the intervention of security agencies?

In a state like Adamawa where fulanis are even the largest ethnic group, yet Michika Christians evicted every muslim from the LGA (including the Indigenous Kamwe Muslims).

Jukuns in Taraba have evicted muslims from Wukari, Takum e.t.c times without number including Jukun muslims, where were you?

I won't even talk about that of Plateau & Southern Kaduna.

Where were you when Sayawa Christians evicted all muslims from Tafawa Balewa & Bogoro including Sayawa Muslims? Where were you? Powerless goat.

I have told u before! You see Ebira, Nupe & Igala land!, That is the only place Indigenous muslims can never be evicted in the entire middlebelt. And let me also dash you Niger north (Borgu & Kambari land) cos Kambari are 50-50 too.

Even Niger east is not safe for you terrorists. Gbagyis, Kadaras, Kamukus & Koros in Niger east may be peaceful, but their brothers and sisters across in FCT & Southern Kaduna are not and very soon it will spread!

Aboki99:
Your statement that all northern ethnic minority groups have a majority xtian population is very wrong. Just one example, Kanuri, Mangawa, Bare bari, Babur, Badawa all are predominantly muslim.

Plus, if only 70% of northerners are muslims, what percentage then has muslims in the south (south west, east and south)?

It is very simple to guestimate which faith dominates in the entire country using the 8 geopol zones. Cleary the most populous zone is NW which is over 90% muslim. The second most populous zone is SW which is 60 muslim 40 xtian. The 3rd most populous zone is NE which is 80% muslim . The 4th most populous zone is NC which is 65% muslim 35% xtian. The 5th zone is SE which is 95% xtian. The least populous zone is SS which is 97% xtian. Intuit and arrive at the right conclusion. QED

Oga you are very ignorant!

Why are all Hausa fulanis very ignorant just like DanArrewa & his other account Naajji have been displaying here since.

Kanuri, Mangawa & BareBare are the same thing! How could u claim to be an Arewa person and u don't know this?

BAREBARE is the name that Hausas call KANURI people, while MANGAWA is the Kanuri subgroup that is located in Western Yobe down to Eastern Jigawa.

Yes in Yobe state, Badawa are overwhelmingly Muslims, same with Bolewa. Ngizim are dominantly muslim with few Christians.
Ngamo & KareKare are slightly predominantly Christians (60%). Although the Kare-kare in Bauchi are overwhelmingly muslims.

And Kare-Kares are the largest minority group in Yobe state. They are the largest in Yobe south cos they are found in the 4 LGAs that make up Yobe south.
This is the reason why Christians make up about half of Yobe south!


Going to Borno where u mentioned the Baburr!
Never u repeat that Baburr (Bura) people are majority muslims cos that is impossible!

Baburr & Bura people are the same people cos they have merged as one, with same language and same culture! And this makes them the largest ethnic group in Southern Borno and 2nd largest in Borno state.
They dominate Hawul, Biu, Kwaya Kusar & parts of Gombi LGA (Adamawa state).

Hawul is like 70% Christian, Biu LGA is 50-50 (but Biu town is muslim majority), Kwaya Kusar is 80% Muslim while Garkida (Gombi, Adamawa) is 80% Christian. And mind you, Hawul has the highest number of indigenes and the biggest in size.

Go to any Bura/Baburr group or socio-cultural organization online or offline and u will see that Christians always outnumber Muslims 65/35.


Like I said, in the whole of Northern Nigeria, minority ethnic groups which muslims dominate are barely more than 10, at most 20! But those which Christians dominate are more than 200.

In that same Southern Borno, Kibaku, Marghi & Mafa people are overwhelmingly christians. Gwoza people are 50-50.
Terawa people in Bayo are muslim majority, but those in Gombe are almost 50-50. Kanakuru people in Shani are 50-50 and those in Adamawa are predominantly Christian.

By the time u leave Southern Borno and cross into Adamawa & Southern Gombe, no single ethnic group in these areas are muslim majority, among the over 60 ethnic groups in these places, apart from the Hausa fulani settlers. In Taraba, Plateau, Kaduna, Nasarawa, FCT, Niger east, Niger north, Bauchi south & Kebbi south, barely up to 10 ethnic groups are muslim majority among over 200 ethnic groups.

With this, how can you argue that muslims outnumber Christians among Northern minorities? That is impossible!

Imagine u claiming that North-central is 65% muslim?

Okay I challenge u! List the top 20 largest tribes in the North-central and tell me how many are muslim majority!

eagleu:
Well educated and informed!

Sarduana's legacy or trick holding the north together while the west lost midwest, and the east lost Rivers/Cross rivers is noted.

His atrocities towards the middle belt minorities has also been swept under the carpet by his followers.
Col. Anuforo lost his life disobeying Sarduana's orders to mowed down protesting Tiv/Idoma people, because they were mostly Christians.

How did Tiv/Idoma repay Igbos during and after the war?

The truth is that Benue & Kogi people never felt connected to the north from the beginning cos they did not speak Hausa as a 2nd language unlike those of us from Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Gongola e.t.c.

Kogi/Kwara people kind of managed with the northern Identity because of half of them being muslims, however Benue people could not and this was what led to the Tiv riots of 1964.
Yes, Sardauna committed atrocities against Tiv people by silencing them.

Today we the middlebelters who speak Hausa as a 2nd language have learnt our lessons that a union with Hausa fulanis can never work, while the Tivs are now displaying their foolishness, just as we did in the past

Minorities are just very complicated.

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Out of the 210 total contenders

I counted 118 contenders
with at least one English name,
2 tribal names without an Islamic or English name,
a tribal first name and an Islamic surname without an Islamic middlename.
(These are 99% typical Igala christians).

I did not count people with
all Islamic names,
people with a tribal middlename, an Islamic surname and an Islamic first name,
people with a tribal surname, an Islamic first name and a tribal middlename
(These are 90% typical Igala muslims)

So the chances of Christians not being counted by me is higher than the chances of muslims being counted by me.

And let's not forget that muslims play politics more than christians on average. There are many Christian sects and denominations that are strongly against politics! E.g Jehovah's Witnesses, while almost all the other church denominations (especially the older orthodox ones) frown and discourage politics, it is only the new generation churches like Winners, Redeemed e.t.c that are positive towards politics.

So you judge for yourself from the list and tell us between Christians and muslims who is more in Igala land.

You people don't know anything apart from making noise online and shouting that muslims are the majority in the middlebelt because of the governors.

Igalas used to be 50-50 in the past, but the rate at which many traditionalists and Igala Muslims converted to Christianity over the years has been very very high!
That's why u are seeing people's names such as USMAN JOSEPH or KABIR GLORIA. Such people clearly came from muslim families but became Christians.

Igalas are 60-65% Christian today.

Another thing is that many Igala Muslim men will marry a Christian woman and since Igalas do not take Islam so seriously on average, all the children will end up following their mothers to church and become Christians.
This is the same thing that is reducing Yoruba muslim population.

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