₦airaland Forum

Nabhani:
Native Swahili probably 1 million or but if you count the Swahilized Swahilis the numbers increases but i don't know. They have a presence though.

Islam spread more because the inland trade was more aggressive in TZ. There is a city in Tanzania called Tabora, home of the Nyamwezi people they also traded heavily with the coastal muslims. The coastal people established themselves so thoroughly in Tabora, it was considered the mainland version of Zanzibar.

There isn't any real Muslim and Christian issue in TZ or Zanzibar for that matter. Zanzibar sees thousands and thousands of Christian tourists every year. However, you do have those Zanzibaris that studied in Saudi Arabia that are a bit too Islamic for a lack of better words.

Okay thanks.

So, why exactly were the arabs chased out of zanzibar since they were already swahilized? And who chased them away? The native swahilis?

TayserMahiri:
lol, you Nowe, Sounds like u want more Blankets and Wines It might surprise you that Blankets and Wines, arguably Kenyas most popular social event belongs to a lady! Her name is Muthoni Ndonga aka Muthoni Drama Queen. Here she is smiling at your lack of information

What an ugly lady

ednited:
okay, Oromo ppl were pagans back then but Amharas were strict Christians. Amhara and Oromo use to be peaceful but a man called Gragn Ahmed changed many things. Amharas (christians) were rulling but Gragn Ahmed came to rule Ethiopia by defeating the Amharas to make Ethiopia a muslim state. Surprisingly, Oromo ppl supported him to fight against Amharas and destroy them. The fight become wayyyyyy serious. Amharas called portugal to be by their side then Ahmed had the Ottoman Turks on his team. Amhara ppl were lossing but at the Eleventh hour, they won and told the Oromo ppl to leave Ethiopia immediately. So the oromo ppl migrated to different countries including Kenya but nothing like home. They came back to ET but Amharas pain couldn't heal. They offended the Oromo ppl for a long time. And they didn't consider or respect them as Ethiopians cuz it was a betrayal. This history is what is still causing pain for both tribes.

Okay. I see. Thanks

ednited:
If they take their territory they will also take Addis Ababa. Hati13, where we both be ending up??

Is Adis an Oromo territory? I always tot it was amhara? Are amharas not the dominant population there?

Nabhani:
These are some songs that were shot in TZ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRO08vwMuPs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwxRpBWKRgU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bPjsDcPHks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnI8GQQhw4A

In the third song by Rayvanny and Diamond (SALOME).

Do you know that all the traditional attires in that song were Nigerian/Ghanaian?

Nabhani:
Tanzanians are just cool laid back people so it translates into our music I guess and also Tanzanians speak Swahili with a softer accent than mainland Kenyans. Listen to Brown Mauzo or Otile Brown from Mombasa, its similar to TZ music I think you will like it.

That artist is actually a Comorian but he isis singing in a TZ style...Where the hell did you even find that song? haha you really do like East African music

Okay.
What is the meaning of UFITINA?

NairobiWalker:
But Kenyans are more similar to Ethiopians and Tanzanians than Nigerians are lol. You're a special case. See, The Luhya people in Kenya are very similar to Sukuma, Haya and Nyamwezi in Tanzania and speak a similar language, The Kikuyu in Kenya are similar to Chagga in Tanzania, the Kamba to Pare, we have Maasais, Swahilis and Luos in both countries, The Mijikenda in Kenya are similar to Zaramo in Tanzania. In fact for every Bantu group in Kenya there's a very similar Bantu group in Tanzania. On the other hand, The Oromos, Rendilles, Gabbra, Somali, Borana, Turkana and Galla are native to both Ethiopia and Kenya. It is stupid to categorize Kenya as the exact opposite of Ethiopia and Tanzania when 20% of Kenyan population looks like Ethiopians while 60% looks like Tanzanians. lol. Anyway have a nice time dick riding Ethios and Tanzanians.

Kenyans may share some ethnic groups with Tanzanians and Ethiopians but that does not make the people (especially the urban populations) have the same views, perceptions and dispositions to life.

Overtime, since independence, most africans are now developing urban cultures, identities, lifestyles and ways of living due to the economic and political conditions in their respective countries.

An Ethiopian Somali that grew up in urban Adis Ababa may share more in common with other Ethiopians from different ethnic groups than a Kenyan somali that grew up in Nairobi together with other Kenyans from different groups. This applies almost everywhere. You should know this.

ednited:
@genieluv @Nowenuse @9jakol

check hip pop in Amharic, very wierd thinking of it but cool hearing it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsRtiabpG3A




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNWLq6MJAZw&itct=CBoQpDAYACITCNSrodzY0dQCFUW4VQodl3YF2VIUTGlqIG1pY2hhZWwgZXNodXJ1cnU%3D&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en

Lol. Interesting. The instrumental sounds still appear quite amharic though.

Hati13:
Yes!

They have also little backgrounds of Omote and Nilots(very little).

• They are Cushite/Semite/Omote/Nilots mix people(predominantly Cushite)
• They speak Semitic/Cushitic/Omotic/Nilo-Sharan mix languages(predominantly Cushitic)

But Amharic is a semitic language.

Isahalbash:
I never said she did bro... And I don't think Jigawa was part of Borno rather Kano a hausaland. D kanuris in Jigawa may likely be migrants from Borno to hausaland nt like de were conquered by d hausas.

I don't think you Kanuris are immigrants in Jigawa.
Prior to the creation of the first 12 states in 1967, there was nothing like state boundaries. States are heavily artificial.
So i think it would be wrong to say Jigawa is hausaland, as long as those minority groups there are not completely enclaved by hausa communities, rather Hausa land is part of Jigawa. Likewise, we cannot say Borno state is part of Kanuri land, rather Kanuri land is part of Borno state.

The Kanuris that can be regarded as immigrants are those in Lafia who are completely enclaved and cut off from main Kanuri land.

Hati13:
No, almost all those 3 ethnic groups has equal Semite ancestry. It's just that through time, Amharas had relatively mixed much with others than the 2.

Gurage people and few other small ethnicities has also Semite ancestry.

Note: all the so called Habesha and many other in Ethiopia are predominantly Cushite, so they aren't Semite, rather Cushite people.

Hmm, so are you saying Habeshas are more cushitic than semitic by ancestry?

coptic:
Yet another knowledgeable perspective.

You have offered some really wise observations. Thanks, bro.

Tribal supremacy is one evil we ought to kill, lest it kills us in the middle belt. From all you have said, I can surmise that the Muslims got the upper due mainly to tribal infighting among locals. It's unfortunate that these issued persist to this day.

Something has to be done. They Hausa-fulani deliberately planted their people to cause and take advantage of the divides amongst the people.

I'm still very young. But I intend to take some campaigns offline in the near future. Our people need to know. This cannot continue.

Like you rightly pointed out, certain things aren't meant for public consumption.

Thanks, again!

You are welcome.

I am young too (in my early 20s), so, you may be older than me. Lol.

I also plan on doing somethings similar on what you said in the nearest future too offline. So i guess that makes two of us.

I will contact you (pm you) as soon as i am ready to kick off in the future. So, hope you do not loose or change your account. Do you accept? Warm regards.

Isahalbash:
Heheehhe... We were not islamized by neither hausas nor fulanis in fact we expanded our territory to d Hausaland ND besides, I don't think we hv probs wit u guys mamana

She never said Kanem-bornu was islamized, rather she said some Kwararafans were.

But hope you know that Hausa-fulanis conquered parts of Kanuri land like those of you in Jigawa, Bauchi & Yobe states? This is why you guys are being ruled by emirates/Sokoto sultan and not from Maiduguri.

Traditionally, You are a subject of the Sultanate and not Mai (Shehu) Borno. I hope you know that?

Hati13:
It isn't the flag of Oromia region in Ethiopia. It's the flag of Oneg(Oromo Liberation Front).

Oneg was formed during the Derg regin(1974-1991) and it's objective is to create an independent Oromia country. It's trying to achieve this by using propaganda. It's indoctrinating Oromos, especially young Oromos that they had been directly oppressed and colonized by Abyssinians(especially by Shewa Amharas) from 1880s till 1974 and from indirectly from 1974 till present.

Now, let me tell you the truth. Oromos hadn't been colonized. Atse Menelik II(Shewa Amhara) expanded to SW, S and SE of Abyssinia to conquer the previously lost territories because of Abyssinia-Adal war and Oromo population movement. Only few areas were newly conquered. The other truth is, most of Menelik soldiers were Oromo themselves. The great Generals who mostly achieved this objective was also Oromo(Shewa Oromo to be specific) named Ras Gobana Dacca. Gobana was the first Oromo elite to be Christianized and Amharanized. Some unpatriotic Oromos consider him as a betrayal, but Abyssinians and patriotic Ethiopians consider him as a hero.

Some southern Oromos also supported Ras Gobana and the Ethiopian centralization was "welcomed as a way to put an end" to 'intertribal fighting' between the Oromo communities. So most Oromo and Christian Gurage territories reunificated peacefully. Some Oromo territories, Muslim Gurages, Silts, Hararis, Sidama, Wolyata and few were conquered by force.

The bad thing was, some Menelik army had carried out large scale atrocities(torture, mass killings and large scale slavery) against the some Oromos, Dizi people and the people of the Kaficho kingdom. Some estimates that the number of people killed as a result of the conquest from war, famine and atrocities go into the millions. According to Alexander Bulatovich, Menelik's Russian military aide, Menelik's armies "dreadfully annihilated more than half of the Oromo(Galla) population down to 5 million people. This took away from the Gallas(Oromos)all possibility of thinking about any sort of uprising.

Let me tell you also Oromos atrocities. During their population movement from mid 16th century to early 18th, they massacred, mutated organs and enslaved many Amharas and other ethnicities. They enlarged their territories very big and many different ethnic groups were assimilated and became Oromos. Those that resisted faced horrible atrocities like their organs were mutated while they are alive. Most of Abyssinia territories were taken and some Oromos like Yejjus, Wellos and Rays penetrated further north and settled in Bete-Amhara and southern Tigray areas. Bete Amhara was an historical place for Amharas because it was in this place where Amharas and Amhara culture originated. The Oromos in that area massacred and tortured many Amharas. The Wello Oromos changed the name Bete Amhara to Wello in 1855.

Do I support what Menelik soldiers atrocities against the Oromos? Yes, I support. They faced the same thing what they did to others, so I believe they deserved it.

Oromos can leave Ethiopia if they want. I don't care, but they can't take all the Oromo territories with them.

Hmm, now this is really some serious history piece. Thanks.

Is the Oromo liberation movement still very powerful or it has died down?
Is it true that the current president of ET is Oromo?

ednited:
Yes, it is the Oromo flag. They had a big struggle and fight with Amhara ppl specialy.


If you want to know why they fighted with Amharas, I will tell you

Please tell me. Am all ears.

mtis:
I feel like shouting..WHY IS NOWE INTERESTED SOO MUCH WITH EAST AFRICA THINGY

I am interested in East Africa because i have a strong love for Ethiopians & Tanzanians. They share so much in common with we Nigerians! Beauty, musical talents, cultures e.t.c and i feel Kenyans are too ugly, cultureless and uncultured to be in their midst.

ednited:
Thanks for the videos. I also hear songs from Uganda

Eddy Kenzo is amazing

check the beat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCq7H7kEzuA&itct=CBgQpDAYASITCNCpze2-0dQCFdqXVQodg3UBmVIVRWRkeSBrZW56byBmcmVlIHN0eWxl&gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en

Yes, Eddy Kenzo is good. His song 'Jubilation' was number 1 in East africa for a long time.

Nabhani:
Back in the days some artists used to shoot their videos in Kenya, even today they may shoot a video there from time to time, more rare now. I wouldn't say most of the Tanzanian artists were running to Kenya to do their music and direct their videos.

The top Tanzanian videos today though are definitely shot in South Africa, better quality FOR NOW...why lie? lol

Lets give Tanzanians props for their work ethic and aggressiveness in East Africa when it comes to the music. To have even a little impact on non-swahili speaking countries is quite impressive, you dont even know what they are saying 90% of the time.

Yes, Tanzanians have done so well in music and i would say are the shinning light of east africa.

Also, i would want to know, how come Tanzanians sing very melodiously and softly compared to other east africans like kenyans or ugandans? Their rhythms appear very pleasing to the ears just like Indian songs. Lol.

Just like this song below, have you listened to it? It's a new song and omg! The melody is awesome. What is the meaning of UFITINA? It sounds like a hausa word.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugZeUcidYrA

Ednited & Hati13 I saw this picture on an Oromo online page? Is this Oromo flag? Can you guys please brief me about the oromo struggle/liberation movement?

genieluv:
Holly about the Kenyans not promoting their african cultures in the media or entertainment, i think this is quite true.

***Since i've been on this thread n all the pages i checked back, i have seen nothing of such from them. Instead they try to criticize anyone posting cultural related stuffs. As if we are Europeans. It's unfortunate on their parts i think.

The Kenyans prefer to celebrate 'tea and blanket' parties like Europeans. Ugly copy cats.

genieluv:
This is interesting! I have never come across Ugandan culture.
**** See the way the men are shaking their waists in the 2nd video.
Do you know what language they are singing? It doesn't sound like swahili.

I think they are singing in Luganda (the lingua franca of Southern Uganda- Kampala and largest ethnic group in the country).

Their culture (Luganda people) is very beautiful and it shares a lot with some cultures of some central Nigerian groups.

NairobiWalker:
You're trying too hard to create a rift between Kenya and her neighbors, lol. Your hard trying has been noted.

Is this the way you want to excuse yourself?

Why are you Kenyans the only ones who do not promote african cultures in any way? Instead you guys prefer celebrating silly events like TEA & BLANKET parties
(TayserMahiri on my mind)

ednited:
Am sorry, I don't know a single Oromiffa word. Maybe I will ask my dad for you

not much difference in skin color between the three tribes. The video clips mis-lead you

No, i don't think it is just because of these video clips.
I follow a lot of amhara, somali, Tigray and Oromo pages on instagram. I have also watched lots of musics and cultural clips from various horn african groups before passing this judgement.

Hati13:
It's because Amharas, Tigrays, Gurages, Hararis, Biher-Tigrinyas(Eritrean Tigray) and Tigris(northern Eritreans) had relatively larger Semite backgrounds than Oromos. All those different people are Cushite and sisters to each other.

There are also some darker Amharas and Tigrays and light skinned Oromos.

All the different ethnicities of Ethiopia and Eritrea are the products of many old centuries of extensive mixing with each other.

This explanation is enlightening and just as much as i thought. I hope Ednited shares them too.

It also seems like Tigrays and hararis are more semitic in ancestry than Amharas?

coptic:
Wow. This is impressive!

I am from Plateau State myself.

Your knowledge of history demographics is admirable.

There's a lot that still needs to be done.

Your perspective of the political aspect of things are great too. I am glad that Plateau State woke up as early as she did. And for some reasons, the only plus from the numerous ethno-religious crises that plagued Plateau further opened our eyes to their sinister agendas. At least the berom and Afizere people have stopped selling them lands, thanks to it.

Again, what's your take on Nassarawa? I believe they are Christian majority as well.

Thank you.

I am also glad that our elders in Plateau never succumbed to be under Bauchi emirate. We were such a large population of people that could not be penetrated and our location on the highlands/Plateau also gave us a comparative advantage against these jihadists and their strategies.

Yes, it's not enough for us to be happy that we were not enslaved by emirates. How have we used our status to help our brothers in need? Our cultural relatives who were unfortunately victimized and exploited by these emirates? Thank God for Southern Kaduna people who have been able to unite themselves and stand on their feet even in the face of political opression and domination.
The point is that we have to large unite ourselves, develop a common identity and fight for a common goal.

Yes. Nasarawa is dominantly christian, about (55-60%) christian or slightly more.
The problem over there is tribal division. Tribalism has heavily divided the christian population. Tribal identity is more important than christian identity over there, so the muslims easily took advantage of this and continue to dominate them.
Another problem is the christians of Nasarawa west, Gbagyis, Gades, Gwandaras and others who are largely illiterate and rural (although they are gradually improving). Go and see the way hausa-fulani and others muslims are dominating their towns and controlling their lives while they the indigenes continue to wallow in poverty in the villages. It's just pathetic. This is also the same problem with many Adamawa christian tribes.

A lot of things cannot and should not be said here.

The point remains that a lot of things need to be done to and for most northern/middlebelt christians.

PissedYagami:
there are more rock and metal musicians in Kenya than in Tanzania and you dont listen to that genre, do you? Checkmate

Rock and metal musics are not popular among africans. They are western genres.

genieluv:
If you Kenyans do not appreciate African culture, can you please give way to those Africans who appreciate n take utmost pride in the culture? Thanks!

Kenyans have no culture and it's such a shame! So, they usually get so pissed off whenever they see other Africans celebrating and admiring culture.

TayserMahiri, mtis, NairobiWalker, Jay254 and co, you guys should learn from your fellow east africans here. Watch their musics and learn how African cultures must be promoted!

I have been challenged here by their Ethiopian songs, no matter how modern these Ethiopian songs looked, the culturak rhythms, dance steps, cultures and sounds are always present.

I have always come across modern cultural musics from Uganda and mainland Tanzania, especially Uganda and none from Kenya. Are Kenyans Europeans? Why don't you guys just relocate to Scandinavia or Western Europe if that is the case?


Here are some beautiful modern cultural songs from Uganda! Ednited and Hati13, you guys should check them out. I find the dance steps very beautiful


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6kGGW0SBU0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=545zP07dlUE

ednited:
@genieluv

from Oromo

Abush Zeleke- Fulani


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYaaMlQDf1Q&itct=CBUQpDAYAyITCI-Q6I-_ztQCFYOpVQodA6IPOVIMQWJ1c2ggWmVsZWtl&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en


Jaljilo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xjywjgpdwo&itct=CBAQpDAYACITCO_7vJW_ztQCFcOAVQodwiMCVDIHcmVsYXRlZEjU_o2gpcamw0U%3D&gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google

Please what is the meaning of the first song FULANI in Oromo, do you have an idea? It's the name of an ethnic group in Nigeria.

It seems like from my observation that Oromos on average look darker than Amharas and Tigrays look lighter than Amharas. what do you think?

@Nabhani

I love Tanzanian musicians like Alikiba, Diamond, Vanessa mdee, Christian bella, Butera knowless, Rosa ree and a whole lot of them.

I can see that Tanzania has a very well developing music industry, far better than that of Kenya. But many Kenyans here have denied this repeatedly as obvious as it is. They claim that most of TZ artistes mostly base their music in Nairobi and started recording music success as soon as they started recording and shooting their songs in South Africa?
How true is this?

Nabhani:
Good question! well, you could say my clan is a mixture of native Swahili and Swahilized Arabs but arabs of respectable pedigree (Sharifs, descended from the Prophet Muhammad) not the immigrant ones that came to the coast looking for greener pastures, yes there is a difference

Personally, I take more pride in my Swahili ancestry tho

Okay.

Pls, can you give an estimate of the swahili population percentage in Tanzania?

How come did Islam spread more into mainland Tanzania than mainland Kenya?

I read that Tanzania does have some religious problems between the muslims and christians especially in Zanzibar (where the muslims tend to be more fanatic). Can you tell me about this?

How different is Zanzibar politically from Mainland Tanzania?

coptic:
LOL @ everything deputy.

This is insightful. Thanks for taking the time to highlight these points.

I have always wondered what the situation is in Gombe and Adamawa.

I am well travelled and stuff, but I don't really know much about the two states in terms of their religious composition. Left to me, I'd think they are both christian majorities. Because I've had neighbors in the Army Barracks, friends, school mates, and whatnot from the said states. But about 95% of the people I know from the states are Christians. Even the ones I know from a muslim-dominated uni like ABU are about 97% Christians. So I've always wondered how come the Muslims dominate them.

Are you from Gombe or you reside there? That's so much knowledge up there.

I am from Plateau state, but widely travelled, widely read and knowledgeble about Nigerian demographics.

Yes, you and i would probably meet more christians from these places because we are christians whereas a muslim may likely meet more muslims from these places.

You know, we northern and middlebelt christians did not wise up politically early enough, compared to the hausa- fulanis and muslim groups whom their fathers chartered the political destiny of Nigeria from the begininng.

Our Christianity and christian doctrines was also a major setback to us politically, because we were meant to believe that politics is for the sinners and evil people and we christians are not people of this world, 'gidan mu a sama ne' whereas Hausa-fulanis and muslims were always taught that it is a taboo for arna to rule over muslims no matter what.

Another problem with northern and middlebelt christians was the emirate/indirect system of rulership where our people were forced under emirate rule by the british in connivance with hausa-fulanis.

Many of we Plateau groups were forced under Bauchi emirate, but luckily for us, our fathers heavily rejected this and we were removed. Some southern kaduna and Nasarawa peeps also rejected it but most did not and they were just getting their chiefdoms a decade or two ago.
So many/most non-muslim tribes in Borno, Adamawa, Taraba, Gombe, Niger and Kebbi states have not gotten their independence from these emirates till date.
Now, tell me why such people will not be heavily dominated when they are ruled traditionally by their opressors!

You can see that we have a lot of work to do!

genieluv:
@Ednited n Hati13

Here are more cool Ethiopian musics i came across. Are these popular musics/artistes?

Can you both do the dancing n shaking of shoulders? cos this seems like the most common Amhara dance steps. Or not?

*** How popular are Oromo, Tigray n Somali musics/artistes in Adis Ababa? Do you guys listen to them?

Yeah, these are some great and cool songs, i also checked them out. I have always loved Ethiopian musics even if i never understood a word. Lol

My favourite Ethiopian singer has been Abeba Desalegn and i used to have so many of her songs in my playlist, do you guys know her @Hati13