NairobiWalker: Do you have an idea of how annoying you sound? B.itch, you've even never been to Kenya - the way you talk about Kenya with such confidence elevating your country above it one might think you live in Kenya....lol.
Below is a Kenyan matatu. That's our culture - we market it through graffiti and building fancy vehicle bodies. Just to sound annoying as you sound is posting such pictures over and over and wondering why Nigerians have no culture and don't modify their buses to look like this thus not promoting their culture as elements of national pride and identity.
genieluv, you really have a lot of time to waste with these assholes.
Imagine a black african talking about grafitti on a bus as a means of bragging about promotion of his ancestral african cultures? When people are bragging of international cultural carnivals, live cultural theatre performaces, national arts, culture and crafts villages and celebrations e.t.c
Gosh, colonialism really dealt blows of no recovery of westernization to the minds of these Kenyan bantus. It's such a pity.
Pls genieluv, allow the Kenyans, mtis, taysermahiri, Jay254, Pissedyagami et al to continue with their 'tea and blanket' parties , that's the best their ugly europeanized minds can carry. No need flogging a dead horse. Thanks
arinzeejikonye: In health, as far back as 2003, University of ibadan college of health had already separated conjoined twin, University of maiduguri did it in 2011,University of Nigeria did it almost 4 times,
So Nigeria have done it, before Kenya thought of doing it
Kenyans brag over some things Nigerians have gone past and do not even see as an achievement any longer. Speaks volumes about their little and outdated minds.
Hati13: After the rise of Islam in Arabia, Axumites were driven out from Yemen and the coast areas of Eritrea. Even if most of the population in Yemen and coast areas of Eritrea converted to Muslim, because of the the high altitude of southern Eritrea and northern & central Ethiopia, Islam failed to penetrate deep down in that region.
Islam eventually penetrated deep down to Ethiopia from the port of Zelia(in costal Somalia area). Using trade as a means, most of the population in Somalia and eastern and some part of central Ethiopia were converted to Muslim by Arabs. A Dynasty called Makhzumite came to Ethiopia from Southern Yemen and established the 1st Muslim state in Ethiopia at Shewa. They are referred Sultanate of Shewa. Not all of Shewa was occupied by this Sultanate. Amharas were still present in northern Shewa. Later, a Sultanate called Ifat defeated Sultanate of Shewa and occupied it. And later an Abyssinia Atse(emperor) called Amde Seyon conquered them and much of the inhabitants changed to Christian, but the eastern Ethiopia remained Muslim. Axumites descendants Hararis became Muslim and through time, some population of Hararis migrated to Gurage and mixed with some of them. Because of this, some Gurages became Muslim. Some remained Christian and still are.
Ahmed Gragn of Adal(Somalia, Harari and Afar) conquered much of Abyssinia from 1531-43) with the help of Ottoman Turks. They destroyed many historical churches, books and architectural achievements. Some of them settled in some parts of Abyssinia territories and the population were either forced to convert to Muslim or massacred. But in 1543, Portuguese help came and rescued Abyssinia from turning to a Muslim state. Some of the convert Muslim Amharas and Tigrays and Muslim Adals remained Muslim in those areas.
After the Yejju, Wello and Rayy Oromos migrated to Bete Amhara and southern Tigray in 17th century, most of them changed to Islam because of Muslim that stayed there after the liberation of Abyssinia from Adal. Now, most of them had either become Muslim Amharas and Tigrays. There are also Argobba(Semitic speakers) Muslims in Amhara region.
My best guess is:- Tigrays: 20-25% Amharas: 25-30% • Most of Muslim Amharas are found in south Wello and western Gondar(Ethio-Sudan border).
The Oromos first worshipped their own God before there migration. After the migration, those who bordered Christian changed to Christianity and those who bordered Muslims changed to Muslim. Some of them remained with their traditional beliefs. In 1878, Atse Yohannes IV ordered Muslims in Abyssinia either to convert to Christian or denounce their property. Some of the Wello Oromo changed to Christianity and those that didn't, migrated to either Ethio-Sudan border or southern Ethiopia. This process further strengthen after the expansion of Atse Menelik to SW, S and SE of Abyssinia, where most of the non Christian Oromos and other peoples in those areas converted to Christianity.
I don't even know if this kind of thing had happened. But if it had happened, it could be during Menelik and Haile Selassie reigns, since Protestant was introduced in Ethiopia during the 19th century.
After the coming of the current Gov't, I don't think it had happened till since.
I'm not sure, but about 5-10%.
Wonderful explanation. What a history teacher you are. I couldn't ask for more. Lol
How come Amharas weren't completely christianized during the rule of the christian kings of Abyssinia in the last centuries? Are Southern peoples nationalities dominantly christian or muslim? It seems like most Ethiopian muslims, especially the Habesha and Oromo muslims are mostly liberal muslims and not extremist right? What would you say is the percentage overall of muslims in Ethiopia? Some say they are 1/3, some say half? Whichever they are, they seem politically dominated and supressed from my observation, or is my observation wrong?
I have always wanted to learn about religion in Ethiopia and i hope you guys have the patience to respond to my questions in this regard. Thanks
- I know very well how Orthodox christianity became entrenched in Habesha society, but how did Islam later infiltrate the Hararis & Gurages? I also heard that some Amharas are muslims, how did it come about? Are there tigray muslims? If yes, can you please tell me the apparent percentage of muslims among the Amhara and Tigray populations?
- Apparently, Oromo is half christian and half muslim in population. How did that come about?
- I read of the heavy persecution of protestant christians by the Ethiopian Orthodox christians, how and why did it happen? Is it still happening today? What percentage of Amharas would you say are protestants?
Hati13: Up to Grade 6, they do learn the different subjects other than Amhargn and English Subjects by their local languages.
After Grade 7 till end of University, all Ethiopians learn using English except for Amhargn and other languages related subjects/cours.
I'm also amazed by this. During Oromo population movement, almost all Oromos around Adal heavily mixed with the Hararis and may be the majority of those mixed started to identify themselves as Oromo.
In the case of Amharas, after Menelik army defeated Hararis in the 1890s, many Amharas stolen lands from the locals and settled their.
After the conquest, many northerners started to settle in all the conquered areas guarded by soldiers called "Neftegnas". Actually, my father parents settled from north to south under this system. Since my father was true socialist, he opposed this system.
Now, most of Ethiopians insult Amharas by the term "Neftegnas".
Thanks for the correction
I think because Adama had been very influenced by the Amharanizition process in the past and that effect is still affecting it. Most Oromos surrounding Addis Ababa can speak Amhargn, so they may use Amhargn for public situations in Adama.
Yes, the mayor is Oromo. I don't know how it's possible for them to have Addis as their capital. They even call Addis Ababa as "Finfina". They say Finfina was stolen from them by Shewa Amhara Atse(emperor) Menelik II. It's a funny claim, because they themselves too conquered and stole that area from Abyssinia Amharas.
The reason Atse(emperor) Menelik II conquered SW, S and SE areas isn't only to bring back the previously lost areas, but also to retaliate Oromos for their brutal expansion. It's believed that Menelik soldiers had annihilated(massacred, mutated and sold as a slave) half of Oromo population back then. Now, they are majority and causing problems.
Hmmm, ok
So, do Oromos in and around Adis also learn Amharagn as a subject in school or are they taught in the language? Cos Amharanization has been over a long time, how come the current generation of Oromo are still speaking amharagn? How do these Oromos manage to balance billingualism?
Also, what language is used in the Ethiopian central parliament by lawmakers and politicians from all round the country from different ethnic groups?
I have also wondered how come Oromos became the majority ethnic group in spite of the Amharanization process.
genieluv: Kai, gaskiya sunsa ni bala'in haushi yau. Zan nuna masu ainihin taurin kai. Wallahi bazan masu shiru ba
Haba Sarauniya. Wannan hali bai dace miki samsam. Kwanta da hankali don Allah. Karki batar da kyakyawan ki da bakin ciki da kuma dauren fuska saboda wani shegen haushi da wata shegiya tana son tasaki
genieluv: No, you n your sisters came here with a wave of bigotry, stupidity n shamelesness. You guys would have limited yourselves to the ethnic/tribal politics section where your little minds can fully function.
Whooaaa i have never seen you so angry dear. Pls take it easy, some people are not worth your emotions. Leave those shameless bigoted bitches n cultureless Kenyans who are bitter over their loss of cultures.
Kin fi su hikima da basira. Ki kwanta da hankali, kinji?
Hati13: No, it's only few of them that have this midst. Most of them like other Africans and support Africa teams during major competition event.
Even those that have that midst, they mostly interact with other Africans when the see and most of the women like to date/marry black Habesha, black non Habeshas. I don't know that much about with other Africans.
I don't know about other Horners, but most Ethiopians don't know what is going on in most of African countries. They feel all African(except SA and Arabs) countries are poor like them. 80% of Ethiopians live in rural areas, so they haven't affected that much by globalization.
Some urban Ethiopians who relatively know better about other African countries struggle to migrate to Sudan, Kenya, South Africa.
Most Ethiopians(the one who are relatively globalized) don't know Nigeria has the biggest economy in Africa. Most think it's South Africa. I will try to advertise how Nigeria cities are beautiful, it's people diversity and many many other positive things. Same also for Kenya.
I myself though that other than the Horn Africans, all Africans are very similar and their isn't that much diversity in those countries, Even if I knew about many African countries name. I thank NL and you guys for educating me very much. The knowledge I got and still getting in NL is beyond I can ask for.
Interesting. Yes, nothing beats enlightenment and exposure. I sincerely hope Ethiopia becomes more developed economically and urbanized in subsequent years.
Hati13: President position is largely a ceremonial one.
The Amharanization process that was imposed on Ethiopia from 1880s till 1991 had very much affected them. That's why.
The region is also inhabited by many different ethnic groups, so Amhargn was chosen as the official language of the region government to resolve the language problem.
• Addis Ababa - almost from all corners of the country, but Amharas, Oromos, Tigrays and Gurages are the majority. • Biher Dar - Amharas • Dire Dawa - Amharas, Oromos, Hararis • Gondar - Amharas • Mekele - Tigrays • Awasa - southern Nations Nationalities and Peoples and Amharas • Harar - Hararis, Amharas and Oromos • Adama/Nazareth - Oromos • Dessie - Amharas • Debre Marqos - Amharas • Debre Brehan - Amharas • There are other +100,000 cities/towns
Ethiopia has 9 Regions and 2 Federal States.
• Afar: Capital City, Semera • Amhara: CC, Biher Dar • Benishangul-Gumuz: CC,!Asosa • Gambela: CC, Gambela • Harari: CC, Harar • Oromia: CC, Addis Ababa(they are very funny) • Somali: CC, Jijiga • Southern Nations, Nationalities, and Peoples' Region: CC, Awasa • Tigray: CC, Mekele
Federal States • Addis Ababa • Dire Dawa
Okay. Thanks
These Southern minorities who adopted Amharagn as their official language, do the people still learn in their own native languages in their schools alongside Amharagn?
I also did a check on these cities you listed for me and i have some questions.
- In Harar, the capital city of Harari region, Oromos and Amharas outnumber the Harari people by far, how come this is the case? i tot Hararis should be more in population in their own region?
- In Dire dawa, apparently Oromos & Somalis outnumber the Amharas. This is in discordance with what you listed for me.
- In Adama (nazreth), Amharic is still more popular than Oromo language and oromos are the majority, how come?
- How do you mean Addis is the capital of Oromia region when it is also regarded as a federal state? How possible is this? Is the mayor of the city an Oromo?
Hati13: Yes, most Amharas consider themselves as black, but Teddy Afro isn't Amhara. He is Gurage and consider himself as black like I previously mentioned it to you.
Yes they do. Some Oromos also do. You have mentioned Somalians and some of them also do. Even some Amharas, Gurages, Hararis and Argobbas also do.
Look, let me tell you the reality in Ethiopia and Eritrea. Some Habesha and some non Habesha people in Ethiopia and Eritrea mostly associate blackness with slaverly. So that is why some of them say, "yes, I'm black, but I'm not like the other Africans". Slaverly had existed in the Horn of Africa for many thousands of years like in any other parts of the world. Slaves were classified into 2(Red and black slaves). The red slaves were relatively treated better than the blacks. The black slaves came from Gambela, Benishangul-Gumza and southern Ethiopia. They were called Baria or shankela Baria by Amharas and other Habesha people. Baria means in Amhargn "slaves" or "black".
Western and some southern Ethiopians are also still called Baria as an insult by some Habeshas and Oromos.
And also, many centuries old of indoctrination by Egypt Coptic church to the Abyssinians(Amharas and Tigrays) that they are descendants of Menelik I(son of King Solomon of Israel and Queen of Sheba) had made them to think they aren't black Africans.
It's really a shame and this definitely needs to be eradicated.
This is interesting.
So, does this mean that most Habeshas and Oromos will discriminate other black africans in their midst?
And how do most horn africans feel now that many Black african countries are performing far better than them?
NairobiWalker: Wow......now you know so much about Kenyans' character and mindset? How many Kenyans have you met and how many times have you been to Kenya?
So who did the Kenyans get their supposed ugly looks from since based on your argument people somehow change looks to look like people they live with. So did the Ethiopian-related Kenyans get their ugly looks from the Tanzanian-related Kenyans or it's the other way round?
Is it just me or are you Kenyans leeches? Stop attaching yourself by force to Ethiopians and Tanzanians. Cos it won't work. I hope you can see that most Nigerians here have been professing their love for Ethiopians and Tanzanians one way or the other? Most Nigerians (and i believe other africans) are fuckiing realizing the difference between you guys!
Hati13: Yes, it's still active. Not in the country, but abroad. By the way, Ethiopia government has listed it as a Terrorist organization. The government had said that most of the Oromo rebellion that happened last year was caused by Oneg. It followers abroad is increasing, but in Ethiopia Oromos it's decreasing.
Our current president is Oromo, but his name is Amhara name. He isn't the real leader. The real leader is the Prime Minister and his name is Hailemariam Desalegn. His ethnicity is Wolayita(found in southern Nations Nationalities and peoples region).
Okay. So, what exactly is the function or office of your president? It seems like most southern nations people answer Amharic names?
Can you or Ednited please list the largest cities/towns in ET for me and the ethnic occupants?
genieluv: With all due respect i highly disagree with this analysis of yours. It is obvious that you are not a northerner or middlebelter, so you may really not know a lot of things surrounding the history of the people.
****I would have engaged you here buh your first 3 lines/points clearly disqualified you.
Go n read about the indirect rule traditional system of govnmt that was practiced in the old northern Nigerian protectorate where the British colonialists classified almost all northern minority groups under hausa-fulani emirates for administrative convenience. This is the reason why you see many northern minority groups still being ruled by fulani emirates in many northern states. So, your claim of the traditional rulers and their religions speaking for the majority of the people is purely ignorance!
>>>>> Do you know that 30 years ago, the only traditional rulers in Southern Kaduna were the Emir of Jema'a, Emir of Jere & Emir of Lere? All Southern Kaduna people were ruled n administrated directly from Zaria and the emirates there, buh did that stop Southern Kaduna from being 90- 95% christian? Southern Kaduna people fought for n got all their independent chiefdoms you see there today in the last few decades.
••••``go n read northern history please.
Good reply.
Loshybab is just a visitor to the north, if he understood the region very well and the history, he wouldn't have said some things he did here or made some wrong generalizations. What you said about Southern kaduna is very true. Do you know that there are still few tribes who are still ruled by Zaria emirate in Southern kaduna? Even my own people in Plateau state used to be ruled from Bauchi emirates decades ago. What about the Sayawa people (speaker Yakubu Dogara's people) who are overwhemingly christians but have been ruled by Bauchi emirate since independence? They just got their own traditional chiefdom few years ago.
Southern Kebbi and Southern Borno people are predominantly christians but they have no single chiefdom and keep on being ruled by muslim emirates all their lives (but i know one day they will break out) just as southern kaduna people did.
loshybab: Hello brother! I honestly want you to read through this(my subsequent posts on this thread)with a wide open mind and utmost objectivity. but before I start,consider these factors>>>>>>>>>
●The traditional ruler in northern communities normally come from the dominating tribe ●The religion of that ruler is also the dominating religion of that dominant tribe. ●The tribes in which the names of the town are given -------------------------------------------------------------- Having said that,enjoy the low-down of my analysis
MUSLIM DOMINATED LGAs IN TARABA STATE
■Jalingo: due to the above laid factors.it is indigenously dominated by fulanis (almost all Muslims )although fractions of kona and mumuye can be found ■Gassol:same as above ■Bali:Dominated by the jibu Muslims and fulanis (considering the name of the LGA headquarters which is garba chede;fulfulde name) ■Ibi:Dominated by the Hausa and Jukun Muslims ■Sadauna:Haba mallam! How can you say the ratio here is 50/50 when the indigenous tribes are Mambilla,Fulani,Kaka,Panso and Kambu.The population of the last 3 tribes are isn't that much owing to the fact that they were remnants who stayed behind when Nigeria claimed the Mambilla plateau since they are originally from Cameroon(read up on that since u claimed to read wide,which I love though).The Mambillas are majorly Muslims and don't even give me that poo u posted up there,considering the factors earlier stated up. ■Gashaka:Also dominated by jibu Muslims and logically some few fulanis and Mambilla coz it borders Bali and Sadauna LGAs ■Ardo kola:Dominated by Fulanis as u have stated up but u should also know that the kona,mumuyes and yandang you mentioned also have few Muslims among them.Now tell me how their christian combination will usurp that of the muslims ■Zing:Mumuyes are majorly muslims and they effing dominate this area with insignificant Fulanis. this is evident by their emir (who I heard lost his life in the last HAJJ stampede) ■Lau:Dominated by Muslim fulanis and mumuye with some minor Christian-dominating tribes whose names I can't remember but they bear names like Banga,Madanga,Luna etc (you may knw the tribe with those names)
Now,CHRISTIAN DOMINANT LGAS ■Kurmi:overwhelmingly dominated by tigon, Ndola,Ichen etc ■Donga, ■Takum:Dominated by Jukun and Tiv ■Wukari:The Jukun headquarters headed by the AKUKA (consider the above factors). ■Yorro:the only LGA with large Christian mumuyes ■Ussa:Dominated by the kutebs ■Karim-lamido:this LGA is fucking too heterogeneous with over 15 (if not far more) very insignificant minority tribes. I concur with your analysis in this area but the ratio here is not overwhelming as you claimed,considering we have significant Muslim Jenjos,Karimjo,Gobu, Lo,Banbuka etc now added to the wurkum. >>>>>>Now,compare this to yours with a clear mind brother
YOU CAN MISINFORM OTHER PEOPLE HERE BUT NOT MEEEEEE,atleast not after I''ve lived and mixed with them all
It's very obvious that you are ignorant about many things about the north and genieluv just gave you a perfect reply above.
I could no longer take your analysis any serious when i saw you including Zing as a muslim dominated area and making reference to the muslim ruler as a case.
If there is any part of mumuye land with significant muslims, it is Yorro, where at least 1/3 of the population is muslim and hell not Zing. .....Zing is a christian mumuye stronghold and there is no single muslim dominated community there. If you doubt, check all the councillors in Zing LGA and tell me how many muslims you will find. The traditional ruler being a muslim was just a one in a million chance and there is a good explanation for it. ........
Go and read northern history as genieluv told you. Cos you are making very erroneous generalizations about the terrain. Cos you sound just like someone that will say Gwoza LGA in southern Borno or Southern Borno is dominantly muslim because all the traditional rulers there and the biggest political leaders are muslims.
I am from Plateau state for instance, Mangu LGA precisely. If you come to my LGA, the 2 largest towns there Mangu & Gindiri towns have so much muslims (both indigene and settler muslims) and if you use these 2 major towns to judge religious composition, you will quickly conclude that the entire LGA is muslim dominated or 50/50 but far from that, Christians are 75- 80% of the population, just that most christians live in interior villages and areas. Hausa-fulani and muslims usually live by the roadside and towns which easily sends a wrong message of domination to passers-by and observers.
This is a phenomenon that is very common in northern minority areas. And you may never understand all these unless you are from this terrain or born and bred there.
NairobiWalker: But you said Kenyans are ugly while Ethiopians and Tanzanians are beautiful. Does a Somali growing up in Nairobi become ugly while a Somali in Addis becomes beautiful? Would a Maasai in Nakuru become ugly while a Maasai in Arusha become beautiful? How does a Luhya in Kakamega become ugly while her Sukuma sister in Mwanza become beautiful?
I am not just talking about looks here, but mostly about character, mindset and dispositions.
Do you also know that people sometimes tend to acquire the physical looks of the people of a place they grew up? For instance, when i go back to my home state, some people over there are surprised to hear that i am from the north, cos i do not look so much like them. They claim that i look more like a Southerner. Likewise, there are many southerners in my home state whom look so much like my own people that i get shocked when they say they are from the south because they were born and bred in the north. Sometimes it is like this.
But since Adis is surrouded by Oromo territory, it means they are most likely to take it with them in the case of seccesion. Cos even if you guys take, it means you must pass through their territory, this would be very difficult and problematic as Adis will be enclaved by Oromo country.
Mujtahida: This is precisely what I have advocated-let the South unite, align with the Middlebelt and we'd cut off this guys in the North and bring them to discuss this country. We in the middle belt are actually the ones who hold the aces in this situation. We are in the middle for God's sake.
That's why I decry the hate exchanges between the Igbos, Yorubas, and the people in the south generally.
EazyMoh: There is nothing wrong identifying as middle belt people, to me the terms middlebelt and north-central are all the same.Where the danger os is trying to give it a religious coloration by calling it middlebelt and other minority tribes/Christians. Once you give your campaign that coloration two gigantic problems arise. 1. The middle belters who are Muslims will never be loyal to your cause once you disparage Hausa-Fulani at every slight opportunity and try to align with people from Southern Borno and Gombe just because they are Muslims. At the end the middle belt will be divided. and we all know what happens against a divided house. 2. You will generate bad blood from the rest of the north as well and you will be between the south and the north with no ally to turn to. Weigh your options and consider what's best for you. You people can decide to revive help the Arewanism from the time of Sardauna where every northerner regardless of tribe or religion is treated equal. Burn that alliance completely and try to align with the south (may be join Biafra) or stay independent in the middle. Nigeria shall be balkanized, let everyone go! Enough blackmailing the north.
People from Southern Gombe, Southern Kaduna, Adamawa and Taraba are usually tag along middlebelt struggle because they are northern minorities too just as the people of the north-central are.
Before states and geo-political zones were created, middlebelt was all encompassing of all northern minorities whether Zuru from present day Kebbi state or Marghi from present day Borno state. As long as you were not Hausa-fulani-Kanuri, you were regarded part of the middlebelt as a northern minority.
fiizznation: [i]Whenever I see a word like middlebelt, the first thing that usually comes into my mind is "who are these middlebeltans"? The north central comprises of states like kwara, nassarawa, Niger, kogi, benue and plateau states. Even southern kaduna can't be classified as a north central territory due to its geographical location.
The people that are championing this middlebelt nonsense are some very few people in plateau state. Jerry gana is from Niger state, pray tell me, how will he convince his people to be part of one silly thing called middlebelt? He is not a major player in the NC.
When people want to really talk about NC or middlebelt as some people want to call it, then names like IBB, abdulsalam, Jeremiah hussein, gowon, saraki, etc CAN'T be overlooked. These are the decision makers of the region. And I don't see them calling themselves middlebeltans.[/i|
If you muslims from Niger state want to continue to remain pawns of Hausa-fulanis, you can continue! The rest of us from the middlebelt want out of that nonsense arewa. Arewa of backwardness!
Why do hausa-fulanis hate progress? See how their elites have impoverished their masses, yet they will never educate or empower their masses, instead they are allocating hundreds of millions to feed them during sallah and build more mosques.
ExInferis: The heading should be " Middlebelt and northern CHRISTIANS are having a pipe dream".
This meddlesome jerry gana sef. Why won't some debilitating ailment strike the busybody?
A pipe dream abi? Very soon, this pipe dream will become reality before your eyes! By the time all middlebelt states and southern states unite and say yes to restructuring, let us see whether you hausa-fulanis would be able to stop everyone else in Nigeria!
mrvitalis: If southern politicians have sense ...impower this northern minorities with power ..this will dislodge the power of the Hausa Fulani in nigeria
As far as am concerned middle belt is the trigger in Nigerian politics ...who ever they support becomes majority
The south has never given them and option
We in the south need leaders that can think and plan for politics
Well Fulani's and Hausa's have the playing politics for years before we came along
You are very correct. I am from the middlebelt. The south and the middlebelt needs to unite. Enough of illiterate Hausa-fulanis dominating Nigeria.
Why should illiterates and people who refused to go to school be ruling educated people?
Nabhani: That's a lot to go into because it wasn't a simple "Arab" vs African thing as some historians like to paint it. The party that ousted the sultanate was Afro-Shirazi party which was made up of slave descendants, African migrants and Native Swahilis. When the British ruled Zanzibar they created a caste system that looked like Brits at the top followed by the Omani Arabs then Indians and native Africans at the bottom. So it easy to see why the native Africans supported the revolution but the Swahili didn't see themselves as "Africans" and their issue with the Omani Arabs was that they took most of their land. However, the Swahilis in the neighbouring island in Pemba (Unguja and Pemba make up Zanzibar) were on good terms with the Arabs and didn't have issue with them on their island so they didn't support the revolution for the most part. The Comorian community, Pemba Swahilis were more aligned with the Arabs but the Swahilis from Unguja weren't to fond of them thus the revolution occurred.
Something which isn't told to often is that the Comorian community and Pemba people were also targeted when the revolution kicked off.
Thank you so much for the enlightening piece. Nothing like info from the source. I also have many questions (please be patient with me).
> Were Indians also chased out alongside the arabs? > How could the Unguja swahilis and native africans easily differentiate Pemba swahilis and Comorians? don't they so much look alike and have same cultures? > Were there also arabs in Pemba? If yes, i guess those ones were safe. > I also thought swahili people were highly interracially mixed and some looked more arab while others looked more african (or am i wrong?), if i am not wrong, then how were the British easily able to differentiate and classify swahilis who looked more arab from arabs? Or swahilis who looked more african from native africans? Since all of you speak the same language? > Do swahilis and all coastal swahilized arabs and native africans have the same culture?
Nabhani: Yeah of course, that's definitely not Tanzanian haha. I like it nonetheless, its cool
Okay thanks. West africa has the most beautiful and diverse cultural attires in africa. Nigeria alone can account for 3/4 of the various types of cultural attires in Africa.
I have never really seen what original mainland Tanzanian culture looks like. Can you please show me?
The only cultural TZ music i have come across was this one by Diamond and Khadijah kopa. But i guess it is swahili culture, isnt it?
You see the reason why we say Swahili is like an arabic language? Gosshh! The amount of arabic words in the language are very much.
The origin of the word is arabic FIT'NA. The word is also used in hausa language as 'FITINA' which has exactly the same meaning. Although, there are many other pure hausa synonyms.
Whenever i hear swahili songs, i seem to be able to pick out some words which sound similar in Hausa language and when i check the meaning, it is usually the same.
I have come across words like Hatari (Hatsari in hausa), Janaa (Aljanah in hausa), Duniya (hausa and swahili) and many more. Hausa language too has many arabic loan words but the original hausa words are still available and used interchangeably with the ones of arabic origin.
Here is the meaning i came across when i googled the song. Exactly the same meaning in Hausa.
Cc muafrika2, mtis, mtumsuper, Nairobiwalker, Taysermahiri, pissedyagami et al
mtis: That's so true . can't have a society without culture.the culture one has is still a culture an it pains when you see people claiming their culture is awesome than yours or that your culture is not African enough. I like my jeans an sneakers.I love my creepy music an don't a give heck what any native would say about my culture..
Your creepy music, your jeans and sneakers are not your ancestral culture. Sometimes you should be able to showcase and promote your african ancestral cultures and heritage! It is your original identity!
How come Ugandans showcase and take pride in their cultures more than you Kenyans?? It is really a big discrepancy and embarrasment if you ask me. You guys have similar colonial histories. Where did the mix up come from? Or was it because all the whites & Indians were chased away from Uganda? Hence, making Ugandans more afro centric?
Something tells me that you black kenyans are trying so hard to abandon your african cultures speedily in order to look western enough to be able to appeal to the whites & Indians in your midst and more settling foreigners. If that is the case, i am short of words at the level of inferiority.
That of Ethiopia and other horn africans is understandable. Mainland Tanzanians do not really showcase their african cultural dance and attires in their music or social gatherings just like you Kenyans but their music has a very strong cultural flavour, so, they can pass.
Where did this kind of wind of westernization come from upon Kenyans? Why only you guys?
Foreign Affairs › Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 12:26am On Jun 25, 2017
, that's the best their ugly europeanized minds can carry. No need flogging a dead horse. Thanks
in africa. 
