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ednited:
Same goes to Ghana. They use the same attire on their show. What make Nigeia's and Ghana's attire different?

Well, northern Ghanaians may use similar clothes with Nigerians and other west africans but Southern Ghanaians (Akans, Ewes and others) use mostly only their KENTE cloth and this has been popularized as the national clothes and culture of Ghana.

This is what the Kente looks like, it has no resemblance whatsoever with Nigerian clothes like the Adire, Buba and Aso-oke, Babanriga, Shokoto, akwa ocha e.t.c.

See the Kente below. Made 100% indigenously by Akans and Ewes (Ghanaian groups).

ednited:
It's not a fasting by time. We don't eat meat and use any milk product on Wednesday and Friday because


Wednesday was the day when his enemies declared to kill Jesus

And he suffered on Friday.

Orthodox and Catholic religion is almost the same, but Ethiopian Orthodoxes and Protestants don't respect eachother cuz some protestants are ignorant.

I mean it, some of them test my patience.

We can intermary but we don't want too. Our religious view oppose at one point and it is major

You are quite correct.

How do protestants provoke you if i may ask?

Can orthodox christians worship in Catholic church? Do you guys believe in the pope?

Is Tewahdo Orthodox the same with Eastern European orthodox and coptic church? Do you guys have similar values and practices and can you guys fellowship with each other?

Do you guys use the normal bible of 66 books that protestants use?

mtis:
Monsieur Nowenuse, comment vas-tu? Je m'appelle mtis et j'adore le Kenya

Je vais bien et je deteste le Kenya parcequ'il a beaucoup des bidonvilles et les gens laides

ednited:
@genieluv, @Nowenuse,
Are you protestant Christian??

Or if there's a protestant Christian here. . .do you guys dance at Church like this too



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inENamXMe84

I am protestant and our dancing is even wilder and rougher than this at times in some denominations.

I have observed that ET protestants do not shake their bodies when dancing, they only jump and leap. Why?

Are those Amhara or Oromo protestants?

Hati13:
I thought some of you guys weird writing is Pigin. Are you Hausa?

No, when we write pigdin, you will know cos pidgin looks quite like normal English unlike Hausa that is entirely different.

No am not hausa. More people from other tribes speak Hausa than the Hausas themselves.

Hati13:
Oh I thought otherwise. Huge thanks for correcting me.

So to what classifications are you guys grouped?

Most of us, Nigerians and West africans fall under the Niger-Congo languages/ethnic groups, while others like the Berbers and Chadics fall under the Afro-asiatic classification just like you semitics and cushitics. We also have some Nilo-saharans.

PissedYagami:
Eldoret, Kenya

Jeeeez Kenyans, we are tired of seeing this the same picture of Eldoret all the time.

GERALD710:
Slums, based on innacurate information.
Nigerians have an inflated sense of their entertainment industry.I come from coastal Kenya,we do not watch Nigerian movies.We watch Bollywood and Hollywood.
Indians have little power in Kenya.Kenya is defined by tribal politics.Indians are yet to be designated as a tribe, even though they clamor for it
As for Whites in Kenya, they are a virtual non entitiy these days.Politically and economically, they are dwarfed by the Government of Kenya.
As for African cultures, the Maasai culture is one of the most recognizable form of African culture out there.Whether you go to China, the US or the UK, the Maasai are known.
Nigerians are associated with the 'Nigerian Prince 'culture and the drug culture.
In my own country, you have brought us this drugs nonsense!
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/two-nigerians-arrested-with-heroine-worth-ksh-4-5m-in-mombasa-168947/

Whatever accurate or innacurate info about Kenyan slums does not stop Nairobi from officially having the largest, most numerous and most populous slums in Africa. Check any ranking anywhere, it's same.

Coastal Kenyans watching Nigerian movies or not does not stop Nigerian movies/musics from being the most watched in Africa (excluding viewership from Nigeria).

Having African cultures is a very different thing from promoting African cultures! How well has the govt and masses of Kenya promoted and nationalized their traditional clothes, traditional festivals, carnivals, national arts, crafts and cultural theatre performances and exhibitions?

Genieluv did not mention whites alone in Kenya, she also mentioned Indians, seeing how you have succesfully excused the whites, i bet you would have done likewise for the Indians, if not that the achievements of the Indians in Kenya are speaking volumes too loud to be denied or excused. Lol

Kenyans will always be Kenyans. Lying and excusing themselves always.

Shaytun:
Nigeria to supply Walmart with $6 billion worth of cashew nuts.


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/business-news/235307-nigeria-supply-walmart-6-billion-worth-cashew-nuts.html

Wow, this is huge!

Agriculture is really the future of Nigeria.

9jakool:
Seeing that I've already addressed most of your points, I'm just going to adress this specific one. The Hausas are not the only present day Nigerians to develop a writing script or even the only one to do so from Arabic.

The Yorubas of Nigeria also develop a writing script from Arabic and they also called it Ajami. The Swahili all the way in East Africa also did so and they called it Ajami. See any similarities? Ajami is not a term that is unique to the Hausas as it's just an Arabic word for the various modified Arabic scripts used to write African languages.

And lastly, the modified Ajami scripts are not the only precolonial scripts used in Nigeria which is contrary to your claim. Odu Ifa of the Yorubas can be considered a form of writing, although it differs from the conventional modes of writing. If you are looking for that, then there is a so called minority ethnic group from the deep forests of central Cross River states that developed a form of ideograph writing called Nsibidi which dates back almost 2,000 years ago long before the Hausas even made contacts with Islam or Arabs.

Yoruba developed Ajami? Never heard of that. Are there scrolls and precolonial documents in this yoruba ajami script to prove this?
Cos, Hausa ajami was so popular among the hausa masses that it entered our naira notes and national army logo.

I'd like to know about this Yoruba odu ifa please.

I have heard about Nsibidi writing and it seems like Igbos are now laying claim to it. I heard it was developed by the Ekoi people. Unfortunately it was never a very developed form of writing, neither was it scriptinzed. ...please, do you know if the Ekoi masses or elders of today themselves decode it?

TayserMahiri:
Really? The kind of languages I see them writing here dont even remotely resemble Bantu. I see Genie, Nowenuse and Isalhabash write very strange words.

We are not writing strange words. We are writing Hausa language which is spoken as a lingua franca by 100- 150 million people in over 5 different countries of West and Central africa as a 1st, 2nd or 3rd language.

Hausa is sometimes ranked ahead of your Swahili as the most spoken African language.

Cc Hati13

9jakool:
And did I ever argue about Hausa foot soldiers?

You did not argue about hausa foot soldiers, but you are playing down their relevance, forgetting that Hausa was the language of the caliphate and spoken by most fulanis who were already becoming heavily hausanized.

It is very pointless adressing Hausanized fulanis as fulanis., cos the former are almost no different from Hausas themselves. So i don't see anything wrong in calling some of the jihadic wars hausa-fulani wars, just as those embarked on by the Nupes can be very much called Nupe-hausa-fulani jihad wars.

Hati13:
Nigerians are predominantly Bantus, so why do they hate them?

Nigerians are predominantly Bantus? Hell no we aren't!

West Africans are like a unique breed of Africans with an identity of our own. I wonder why most Horn africans think all other Black africans are the same and are Bantus.
Most Nigerians and West africans have never even heard the word 'Bantu' in their entire lives.
Bantus dominate Central, Southern and Eastern Africa and they are believed to have although originated from West africa.

Headlaw:
Where are their Hijab? Chibok girls my foot....Op bend down and take koboko.

Chibok girls are christians. Chibok is a local government in the christian dominated parts of Borno state.

ednited:
Yes, I am an Orthodox tewahdo. We fast every wednesday and friday

Hmm, what time do you break the fastings?
Also i'd like to know, is an orthodox tewahdo allowed to marry a protestant or catholic?

kikuyu1:
Ipossible! Egypsy,Turkey, Indonesia,Pakistan etc etc Muslims are heavy smokers generally.

Very true, TayserMahiri i think islam is not against smoking.
Muslim northern Nigerians smoke almost more than the entire west africa combined but they forbid drinking.

ednited:
WOW, I shouldn't see pics of delicious foods on Wednesdays, you gon stop me from fasting

hehe

Thank you

Do ethiopians fast on wednesdays? Are u a Tewahedo orthodox christian?

genieluv:
Sorry buh hey, i've been watching Kenyan TV stations on DStv n online sometime now, n i have never seen anything cultural on it.

****Ednited i think is not fully aware how much Nigerians display culture enough. I think we r the most traditional africans (especially in the clothing aspect).
This is what a Nigerian parliament looked like in the 60s n today. You hardly see our political leaders n lawmakers on Western clothes since independence. Always on traditional clothes. I have hardly seen that in other African countries. Is that the same case in ET?

That's just one part genie.
Majority of our news stations and broadcasters also broadcast news on cultural attires. I also hardly see that with news broadcast from other african nations.

genieluv:
When i saw your first reply 2me n continued seeing your presence here without a comment, i knew a long post bombardments was coming @me very soon. Lol.

**** I am not absolving the fulanis as the major conquerors, all i am saying is that the fulanis after conquering hausas made use of Hausa soldiers to conquer other areas n these numerous hausa soldiers also settled the newly formed emirates together with the fulani conquerors. This was the similar case that played out with the Nupes. Till date, it is regarded that Nupe jihadists were the ones who raided n conquered Auchi, buh the Nupes only formed the foot soldiers while the leaders were still fulanis (who were already becoming Nupenized).

Yaaah, buh i agree with you, in the case of Adamawa emirate (which includes Cameroon) n to an extent Gombe, most of the foot soldiers were not hausa n this lead to stronger n more homogenous fulani settlements buh in other conquered parts of Nigeria (emirates), the fulani settlements were heavily diluted by hausa culture n language.

¤¤¤¤ Talking about hausa kingdoms being easily conquered, it wasn't as if Danfodio n his men engaged all the hausas in a full scale war. It was more of an internal usurpation of power by deposition of the apparent corrupted hausa royalties. A situation which many hausas themselves also supported (Danfodio). It wasn't a full scale war.

Yaah, Sokoto caliphate expansion was repelled by some Nigerian groups buh that didn't stop their forceful desire to sink the Koran in the atlantic ocean, did it? They re-inforced n took other routes usually. Most Plateau n Southern Kaduna tribes, Jukuns, Tivs n Mumuyes repelled them buh that didn't stop them from diverting to Nasarawa area n they did much havoc n islamization in Nasarawa area (lower Plateau). They also managed to later penetrate the Plateau through Wase/Kanam axis through eastern bauchi n Taraba north.
So, believe me, one way or the other they might have re-attacked yoruba land (perhaps through the Nupe jihadists who had taken over Auchi). I have also read about how Nupe-fulani jihadists raided Okun yorubas/Ebiras n almost conquered them. Lemme look for those documents. I need to re-read them again.

genie i disagree with what you said about fulanis conquering Kanam in Plateau state. They conquered Wase town (i can accept). This is my state. Kanam people more or less accepted Islam through Bauchi emirate, i think the founder of their emirate was a Boghom traditional ruler himself who accepted islam n went and came back with many islamic scholars from Bauchi to Kanam.

Kanam emirate is not controlled by the fulani tribe but by Boghom people and the Emir is also adressed as the PANKWAL BOGHOM mostly.

@9jakool. I think i agree with what genieluv is saying here about the hausa foot soldiers cos fulani culture and population did not really spread to some non-hausa northern emirates. The emirates appear heavily hausa by composition, culture, language, ancestry and what have you.

genieluv:
Hahahaha, you think i don't understand french?

****Je parle la langue française trés bien. Vous êtes fou

So, you can speak french? Je peux parler aussi, je ne sais pas. And you too mtis!

NwaAmaikpe:


Shame on him,


He crashed from the sky in a burning plane yet he did not die.

Then he died on a comfortable bed after making sure he had finished eating Sallah food.

He should have saved his family all this emotional torture by dying in that crash; by now they would have stopped mourning him.

Now see what he has put them through.

Stop talking stupidly. And for the records he was a christian, so, sallah food doesn't apply.

PissedYagami:
Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Fact Don't Lie
That is the title, and intelligent people here are debating on what makes what makes 'Kenya better than Nigeria'. Some are for the topic and some are against the topic. Whether black Africans are at the bottom or not this thread is about these things. You are the kind of people who vote for guys because they wear traditional clothes rather than their manifestos lol. But I suspect you are not intelligent enough for these kind of topics so no one is stopping you.

From the beginning of this thread till now over 1,000 pages, what have you dimwits been able to prove? What do you still want to prove that you haven't tried to prove?

Go hundreds of pages back and see where i have challenged your own Kenyans on economical questions about their own country that they could not answer, go back and check where i challenged your own Kenyans about the low and average middle class areas of Nairobi against Lagos and they all went dumb.
You think all of us here are dumbheads to keep wasting our time on you imbecilles, going on a merry-go-round with you low-lifers all year round?

The Ethiopians are here now, at least they are the 2nd largest country in Africa and will be the largest economy in east africa for many years to come. So, they are more important to us. Also, they, the Ethiopians are more reasonable and well-cultured people and we have so much in common with them in our love for African histories and cultures. This is the starting point of our conversations with them and it will go further to other topics.

So, you Kenyans better fucck off! You are on a Nigerian forum, so you are not to decide the direction at which conversations between Nigerians and others should go.

Since you guys are better than Nigerians in all aspects, why don't you go to your own Kenyan forum of this magnitude and wait for Nigerians and other foreigners to come there? Arrant nonsense!

PissedYagami:
This explains a lot about people from nothern Nigeria. Remember IanSweets, she was the same. Noweuse, is from the north too, right? I have noticed many guys who are from that part of Nigeria are somehow intellectually thick. I am yet to see someone argue in an intelligent way. All they do is talk about people, clothes, culture, and some very cringeworthy posts. Yet to see someone like Genieluv talk about Nigerian healthcare vs Kenyan healthcare or maybe our industries and stuff.

Oooh, vermins like you TayserMahiri and Nairobiwalker prefer us to be debating over slums, highrises, who has a higher gdp and all that crap? Black africans are still at the bottom of the world in all these, so, tell me what fighting over these our little achievements (in the eyes of the world) will change for us? Nonsense!

Is it my fault that you guys have no histories, cultures, past kingdoms & empires to talk about? Our cultures & histories are so precious to us if yours is not to you westernized black-assed folks then that is your business! Just stay clear! Or better still, go drink tea on your blankets in your Tea and blanket shiit!

mtis:
An that's the reason guys think ya not smart..look Nowe Kenya is made of Bantus ,nilotes cushites Swahili Arabs Indians white an others..all those types of women can be found in Kenya apart from Nigeria women coz like serious how many Kenyans have you seen marrying naija babe...that's a question ya need to ask your self

(yawns)....I agree am not smart according to hating and bitter ugl* kenyans, well that's ok.
When serious minded and well cultured people like the Ethiopians here tell me that, i'd take it more serious. Till then, you shameless imbecilles who have been busted times without number are not worth my time.

9jakool:
No, the the ethnic group I'm talking about are not Higi(Kamwe). Yes, I'm talking about Adamawa, Southern Borno and Northern Cameroon ethnic groups since the Kirdi are interlaced in between these areas, that's why I say specifically Kirdi area not that those ethnic groups are actually all "Kirdi" because I never said that.

Yes, I am very sure that not all of the ethnic groups are Kirdi. If you go back, you would find what I actually said "For example, there is a cultural region in parts of NE Nigeria and Northern Cameroon known as Kirdi with dozens of ethnic groups who adhere to their native ethnic religions." Go back to my earlier posts, because you are kind of quoting me out of context a little bit.

Actually I don't want to use of "zone" because that word as a undertone of a bounded/administrated area because I'm talking about a cultural/natural region. You can also go back to my earlier post. I wasn't even the person who first used the word "kirdi zone." You can also go back to find out.

Lastly Fali and Batta aren't the only ones. What about Guduf, Mafa, Gude, or Musgum? You do realize the border between Nigeria and Cameroon is mainly political. It's not like "Kirdi" on one side and non-kirdi on the other. There are dozens of trans border ethnic groups in Nigeria.

Okay, noted. I actually thought you were adressing the entire Adamawa, Taraba and Southern Borno areas as part of the Kirdi zone, especially when you said they (the kirdis) could be up to a 100 tribes.
Well then, i hope you will agree with me that the so called original Kirdi cannot be up to a 100 tribes?

Yes, i also omitted some tribes, especially those that appeared with other names like the Mousgoum who are mostly/also known as Mulwi in Borno, Nigeria.

TayserMahiri:
Ugandan women want kenyan men. Nowenuse

UGANDAN SCHOLAR SEEKING KENYAN ‘LOVER BOY’ TO MARRY HER

"Is Kenya adopting human beings from other countries? I should have adopted Kenyanness when my family lived there as refugees in the 1980s. Right now, I am dying of admiration and envy for our Kenyan neighbours.
President Uhuru, his imperfections notwithstanding, has signed a law on free sanitary towels for school girls in Kenya. Somebody tell Uganda's Members of Parliament that sensible parliaments make sensible laws that they pass onto their presidents for signature. Somebody tell Museveni and his wife who is the Minister of Education that Kenya has a law on free sanitary pads for schoolgirls; not failed promises, lies about lack of money, and foolish excuses.
Where are those Kenyan men who were asking me to be their lover? I will say "Yes" to the first Kenyan man who promises to make me a Kenyan by marriage! Is the Kenyan president looking for a Ugandan side dish? If he is, I will be his lover!"


https://www.facebook.com/stella.nyanzi/posts/10155329976770053

http://nairobinews.nation.co.ke/news/ugandan-scholar-kenyan-lover-boy/

Hahaha ugly people admiring themselves, what difference does it make? I can't imagine 100 women looking like poorer versions of Kansime wanting me. Yuccck!

I wanna sleep, wake me up when other Africans like the pretty Habesha women, Tanzanian women, Sudanese women, Cape verdean women or Nigerian women want Kenyan men.

Meanwhile, women from all over Africa and the world, wanting Nigerian men.

9jakool:
Yes, culture is not about clothing. Clothing is just one aspect of culture.
Yes, the Kirdi region is fascinating. It has perhaps maybe around one hundred ethnic groups in the area between NE Nigeria and Northern Cameroon. During the Fulani Jihad, the ethnic groups fled from the valley to the mountains. They are so diverse that you can spot like 10 ethnic groups in an area that is only 10 km squared. There was this story about one particular ethnic groups that fled to the mountains during the Jihad. They left the fertile lands in the valley to settle on the less fertile in the mountains. The geography of the area is in itself unique with plains dotted by rocky terrains, volcanic plugs or inselberg mountains. The area is very notable for it's diverse architectural styles. Some of the ethnic groups use stones in constructure due to its rocky terrains. This is contrast to many parts of Nigeria where adobe style or wooden styles are found. There is an archaeological site known as Sukur located in the area in Madagali LGA, Adamawa state. It's recognized as a UNESCO World heritage site.

The ethnic group that fled to the highland you are talking of should probably be the Higgis (of Michika LGA, Adamawa state).
Well, much of northern adamawa are mountaneous, so, many tribes there live on mountains.

I think you are wrong if you say Kirdi zone has up to a 100 tribes, cos the people adressed as Kirdi are mostly Cameroonian tribes and not Nigerian tribes and they can't be up to 100 unless you are probably adding up Nigerian Adamawa, Southern Borno and probably Taraba tribes

Here is a definition for it below

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirdi

Among all the tribes listed there, none of them are found in North-east Nigeria except part of the Fali & Batta (who are also found in Cameroon).

You can confidently say North-east Nigeria has over 100 tribes but not Kirdi zone. You may be misinforming TayserMahiri, thanks.

genieluv:
Hmm, achievements of our ancestors kingdoms. Hmm, what can i really say here.

Holly most of our Kingdom cities were burnt to the ground by war. Benin kingdom city was burnt to the ground by the British who were so shocked to see that black africans could be this civilized, cos, of course, they always wanted to justify their reasons for colonizing africans claiming africans were all savages.
After burning benin down, they looted the most precious artefacts to London museums (where they are kept till date).

****Kanem-Bornu empire capital city (Ngazargamu) which was centuries old with city walls n some great architecture was also burnt to the ground too, but by the fulani jihadists around the early 19th century.

>>>>The continous wars, invasions n relocation of empire/kingdom capitals among other Nigerian kingdoms n also the british led to complete loss of most of the ancient architectures of Nigerian kingdoms.
For example, Kwararafa kingdom (which i descended from) conquered n enslaved the people of Igala kingdom n also destroyed their capital. Later on, we the Kwararafans were also displaced by the fulani jihadists (buh never fully conquered).

To know best about the achievements of Nigerian kingdoms. Try to study about
**The Bini empire
** The Oyo empire
** Kanem-Bornu empire
** Igala kingdom
** Kwararafa confederacy
** Nri kingdom
** Sokoto sultanate
** Borgu n Nupe kingdoms

Then for other West african Kingdoms

** Mali empire (you already know right?)
** Ghana empire (Ghana)
** Songhai empire (Mali/Burkina faso)
** Ashanti kingdom (Ghana)

Some others i might be forgetting now probably. 9jakool, nowenuse et al you can probably help me out

genie, i think you should tell Hati13 to also add

- Khaso kingdom (Senegal)
- Bamana empire (Mali)
- Kenedougou kingdom (Mali)
- Dahomey Kingdom (Benin republic).

We, west africans have a very rich history and probably more Kingdoms and empires than East africa had. A large part of our history wasn't just preserved and told to the outside world. It's unfortunate. Even we ourselves do not learn our own histories.

genieluv:
Lol, i have been hearing of TEA N BLANKET PARTIES here, is it a kind of party in Kenya? The name sounds weird n pathetic.

Hahahaha, it's a gathering of numerous ugl* people in Kenya once a year where they gather to drink tea sitting down on blankets
It's a once in a while experience for people like Taysermahiri and co who do not have the luxury of drinking tea in their homes

Oh i also forgot, it's the biggest event in Kenya and a symbol of national identity. Lol

Hati13:
If the school is in Addis, then those Oromos will learn all subjects until 6 Grade using Amhargn and also take independent Amhargn and English subject.


Amharanizition process through Ethiopia is only 90-100 years, so it isn't that long.

Since Amhargn is a basic need to interact with other ethnicities and engage in Addis and other cities, some Oromos and other peoples known Amhargn. They speak their respective languages when they are in their region and with their fellow same ethnic group.

Most of the people in rural areas in all corners of the country don't know Amhargn very much, because they mostly interact with their fellow ethnic groups.


Some of them may use Amhargn for public purposes with other ethnicities and Oromo language during with those who know it. Others may only use Oromo language if they live in rural areas. I've came across with some Oromos in rural areas who know not even a single Amhargn word.


The official language of the Federal Gov't is Amhargn.


What I mainly meant by Amharanizition process is promoting Amhara culture in the re-conquered areas and becoming it the official culture of Ethiopia. If a person with other backgrounds want to be a student, go to Hospital, want to be a Christian, go to court or employed in Gov't and Military, he/she must speak Amhargn. Those that want to be identified as an Amhara can join, but majority of the Oromos and others refused. The Amharas saw them inferior if they aren't Amharas, but they weren't forced to be Amhara.

And also, since the Amhara domination did only last for 90-100 in all Ethiopia, many Oromos and others didn't lost their identities and those who lost are trying to regain it.

Okay. Nice explanation.

TayserMahiri:
Bruh, Kate Henshaw got just 1 VOTE
Just seen that sht on Al Jazeera. After spending all that naira

And how does that relate to the comment you quoted?

Shaytun:
Cc Nowenuse

Adaeze obazi a Nigerian has been elected as the sexiest woman in Africa and one of the sexiest in the world.



Top model and Ex- Supranational Nigeria Beauty queen Adaeze Marian Obasi who represented Nigeria at a world contest has been nominated as as one of the sexiest women alive 2016/17 across the 7 seas by reputable beauty organisation - Global Beauties. The Imo state born diva was elected the sexiest woman alive in Africa following their assessment amongst international beauty queens across the world continent.
This is a tradition of Global Beauties since 1999 when the first "sexiest" Diana Nogueira of Spain (2nd Runner in Miss Universe 1999) was chosen one. The nomination of the 7 sexiest women Alive was based on their natural sex appeal, intelligence, amazing looks and superb elegance. Queen Adaeze whose seductive body language is only comparable to Egyptian princesses in the court of Pharaoh makes history as the "Sexiest" Woman in Africa 2016/ 2017 as rated from Miss supranational world pageant.
The attractive Obasi who studied at Lagos Aviation School, further graduated from Ecotex Benin Republic University with a B.Sc in Mass communication also champions a charity NGO called "The 28th Foundation"

What a beauty!
Nigerian beauties keeps on representing internationally.

No wonder we have so many haters here who hate us for not being as ugly as they are. Lol