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9jakool:
I don't usually comment too much on religion posts, but I'm going to address some stuff.
Offa is not walkable distance to Ikirun as the two towns while close are separated at least by 30 mins by road. It seems like you don't have a great knowledge on the places you claim to know. Albeit his statistics about Ilorin being 50/50 is wrong, you are also wrong about Offa and Ikirun. If that was the case, it would put both towns on par with Ilorin. For such a repuation that Ilorin gets, it has a significant christian population. I suspect the reason why it gets that reputation is due to a larger presence of ultraconservative muslims compared to the SW. People also forget it's a university city home to Unilorin, one of the largest in Nigeria and not discounting its state capital status.

Thank you for your contribution.
You know I always admired your knowledge on demography and anthropology

Sorry if I am asking u a question against your ethics, but please in your own opinion, I want you to estimate the religious percentage of Ilorin, Kwara south and Kwara state as a whole.

I have been to many towns and parts of Kwara. And from my estimates, Kwara state is like 60% Muslim and 40% Christian, while Kwara south is like 60% Christian to me.

I said Ilorin is either 50-50 or at least 60% muslim ..... Do you believe muslims are more than 60% in Ilorin?

I moved round Ilorin and I could see that the old city center was overwhelmingly muslim, however the Eastern half of the city (where you have Unilorin) had all it's suburbs either Christian dominated or a sort of 50-50. Same with the Southwestern half of the city (i.e the suburbs south of the old city).

Google maps also confirmed my observation!

So, I'd like to get your opinion.

For Offa, I agree that Offa is muslim majority, but I think it is like 60%. You said Kolaaderin was not saying the truth about Offa, so what then is it in your opinion?

Offa is an Ibolo town and from my observation, majority of Ibolo people are muslims, but it is like a 60-40, while Igbomina people are the exact opposite of Ibolo people in my opinion, they are like 60% Christian and 40% muslim from my observation. While the Ekiti speaking people in Kwara south are almost entirely Christian, like 90%.

I would like to see your opinion on the religious breakdown of Kwara based on towns, ethnic & subethnic groups & senatorial district.

Thanks.

Naajjii:
So long as Nigeria remains we will continue to use Oil money to develop Abuja and the north, you cant do anything about that, Sorry.

Yes and very soon, this Nigeria will divide and everyone will answer his father's name.

Abuja's development is to the advantage of Middlebelt people and not Hausa fulanis.

Do you in your wildest dreams think that Hausa fulanis can claim Abuja if this country divides?

Have you forgotten what Gbagyi boys did to Hausa fulanis in Bwari town last year? Unless you are an Ebira, Nupe or Igala, then you are safe, otherwise I pity you if you are from FCT, Nasarawa e.t.c.

When this country divides, we will flush your likes out and send you to go and join Hausa fulanis in the core north.

Naajjii:
Muslims are more , most times they count traditionalist as Christians for example in Kogi state there are alot of Igalas who are traditionalist but since they are non muslims people like the OP always include them as Christians, we just discovered that from recent research

Most of these Igala pagans are exposed to Christianity. Check out their children, you will see that all their children go to church.

Igalas are heavily converting to Christianity and this is what everyone knows.

Someone who is a traditionalist and still goes to church, what do you call that person?

Naajjii:
Alot of Eggon are Pagans, it is in Central Nigeria you find the largest number of traditionalist in Nigeria but the OP always add them as christian to support his false statistic

You are just telling Senatordave1 rubbish.

Yoruba land & Edo state should have the highest number of pagans in Nigeria because almost every Christian or Muslim there goes to Babalawo or has a shrine at the back of their houses.

And FYI, Eggons are 75% Christians. So I don't understand how you say the difference between Eggon Christians and muslims is small.
Among all parts of Eggon land, only in Lafia east are Eggon muslims a majority. Even the Lafia east is like a 50-50.

Nasarawa Eggon LGA is like 90% Christian. Eggons in Kokona, Akwanga, Obi, Doma and almost everywhere else are overwhelmingly christians.

Yes, a huge percentage of Eggons, especially Eggon Christians have not left their traditional religions. However, they mix both together. You cannot call such people pagans cos they still go to church.

They are just like the Jukuns of Taraba & Taroks of Plateau. In the whole of the Northern christian region, only these 3 ethnic groups still hold on to their traditional religions very fiercely and that is why they are among the deadliest ethnic groups in the middlebelt for fulanis.

Almost all others have largely abandoned their traditional religions for Christianity or Islam.

You can hardly find a northern Christian who is a full blown traditionalist, be it Eggon, Tarok or Jukun. They still attend church services. Just that when they are in the church and the masquerades come out, the churches become empty

This is not like Yorubaland, Edo or even Delta state where u have full blown traditionalists who have never stepped their foot into a church or mosque since they were born.

senatordave1:
Between akwanga and lafia,which is the largest and most developed as of then? We are talking of religious population of indigenous nasarawa people not settlers.most people in karu as you alleged are Christians.i think nasarawa is 55% christian

As it stands, Nasarawa state is something like 70-75% Christians, because of Karu urban.

Karu Urban has an estimated 2 million people currently and 90% of Karu urban are Christians.

That 55- 60% Christian is what Nasarawa normally is without Karu urban.

Akwanga was more developed than Lafia in the old Plateau state.
I measured Akwanga & Lafia recently and Lafia is just about twice the size of Akwanga now.

You can imagine Lafia being the state capital for 24 years now and it is still less than 50km². That should tell u what it was like before it was made capital.

Although, Lafia will never grow anymore because of Karu.

ZKOSOSO:
The major population of Nasarawa state is Karu LGA.
Mararaba, nyanya, Masaka down to Auta etc these are mainly Christians of Southern and Middlebelt extractions. Together with the indigenous Christians make up 70% of the state. When Abacha created Nasarawa in 1996 he posted a muslim Military administrator there and made Lafiya the Capital as against Akwanga all due same Islamisation agenda

Thank you very much.
Karu LGA currently has over 1 million people and 90% of the people in Karu are christians.
The influence of the Christian population of Karu has already started affecting Keffi to the extent that Keffi is now something like a 50-50. In the past, Keffi had a clear muslim majority, being an old town that Hausa fulanis settled.

Karu Urban is now 4 times the size of Lafia (the state capital) and Karu LGA alone has like 25% of Nasarawa state's population. So, how come a state like Nasarawa is still having a muslim governor?

Majority of Christians in Karu urban are not indingenes of Nasarawa state, hence most of them do not vote as they feel elections are not their business.
Christians have a stronger voter apathy than Muslims (especially in a place where they feel they are settlers and have no stakes in the govt). But that is not the case with Hausa fulanis.

All of these are some of the reasons why I will fight with the last drop of my blood for a country like Nigeria to be divided and let the chaff be separated from the grains.

People like Hausa fulanis who take elections more serious than education and their well-being have absolutely no business in sharing the same country with Christians.
If we Christians continue to agree with one Nigeria, we are only digging our graves. Separation is our best option.

OneDollarSalary:
Stop arguing with that guy who have an identity crisis.. Let him continue to be politically correct while Muslims run over him and his people.

Thank you very much. I don't think I will waste my time arguing with people like Senatordave1.

People with dual identities are as unstable as the wind goes.

Subduer:
Your Generals were there .
They were there when Ebitu Ukiwe spoke up against Nigeria's membership of OIC, & your great WARRIOR GENERALS that CRUSHED Biafra said nothing.
Your lead General received Oil Wells & said nothing until Fulanis started killing his people, then he ran to America to request that Pres Trump come & save them, knowing that Americans won't fight & die to save UNTHINKING NIGGERS.

Zemani Lekwot should be leading this CONVERSATION if it's to be taken serious.

You are very correct. We have very shameless and fooolish leaders and elders.

You see, I have tried to understand the thinking faculty of the way the brains of our predecessors worked.

Our fathers & grandfathers all their lives grew up believing that Arewa was their one and only identity and Hausa fulanis are their closest, infact they were one with Hausa fulanis.

In the televisions they watched, in the radios they listened to, on the papers they read, in the schools they attended, this was what they were taught, told and indoctrinated all their lives.

In such a case, it is very very difficult and almost impossible for them to make a U-turn, to think of leaving that identity for something else.

And to worsen matters, the late Sardauna worked effortlessly towards Arewa unity. He actually tried if I am to be honest.
The Sardauna did not openly discriminate against northern Christians or minorities. If the Sardauna was giving 120 scholarships then, 20 will go to Benue-Plateau area, 20 to Gongola area, 20 to Borno area, 20 to Kogi-Kwara area, 20 to Bauchi area and 20 to Hausa land proper.
Minorities somehow even benefited more and were more influential than Hausa fulanis under the Sardauna.

And so for this reason, many of our elders are products of Sardauna's legacy. Till date, they still feel that they owe him an allegiance.

It is a very complicated issue.

Can you see how anti-Arewa I am?
If you meet my father & grandfather and you hear them talk about Arewa, you will be so shocked to know that I am a product of the loins of these men.

This is what the mentality of People like my father and grandfather looks like.
They know that we are having terrible problems with the Core-northerners today, it pains them, but they feel these are issues that could be resolved.
They feel that 'brothers' always fight to reconcile.
I just don't know how I will put their mentality into writing for you to understand. But I hope you get my point.

We of the present generation only grew up to meet one conflict upon the other with Hausa fulanis, manipulations, oppression e.t.c. That is why the mentality is not the same. We feel no attachment or indebtedness to Arewa, the caliphate, Sardauna or whoever.

senatordave1:
We cannot take your words or mere postulations over that of established bodies like the cia which has placed the population of hausas in the north at 40%-44%.it is not done.haba.yours has to be discarded please.fulanis plus hausas acvording to established demographics make up 60-65% of the north.we will stick with that please.this your attitude of counting large swathes of minorities in kebbi and sokoto but claim that they are no hsusas in the middle belt must stop please

Where have I ever claimed that there are no Hausas in the middlebelt? Just that majority of them are settlers.
Why should I count settlers in a situation where I am counting native populations?

Are you aware that Kebbi south right from colonial days was part of Niger province? It was Wuruwuru by the core northerners during state creation that prevented them from being in Niger state.... So u want me to count them as Hausas or what? People who are in their ancestral lands?

There are Igbos and Christian settlers in good numbers all over core-northern cities, do we also count these ones as part and parcel of those states when we are considering indigenous populations?

Take Kano city or any Hausa city for instance, do you know the large population of the muslims there who are not Hausa fulanis?

Do you know that at least 30% of the muslims you see in Kano, Kaduna, Zaria, Jos e.t.c are not Hausa fulani by ethnicity? They are Nupes, Ebiras, Igalas, Auchi (Etsakos), Yorubas, Baribas, Alagos, Kanuris, Buras e.t.c?

Are you aware that a Nupe man and a Bura man have been governors of Kano state? An Ebira man governor of Bauchi?

You cannot be talking of the presence of Hausa settlers in the middlebelt and ignore than of Middlebelt settlers in the Core-north. That is madness.

senatordave1:
Yes but he has to stop demonizing and antagonizing Muslims or the cors north

Come and stop me from doing that.
People like u have not seen anything yet. Maybe your wife or girlfriend is a Hausa fulani.

Sebi all the Southerners who also demonize the core north were sponsored by me?

The fulani herdsmen & Boko Haram who are ranked among the deadliest terror groups in the world are also my fault right?

pazienza:
Nowenuse is an encyclopedia of Middle belt of Nigeria.
I always look forward to his threads. We had our issues initially, but I understand him better now.
I pray one day you achieve your aim of uniting the entire Middle belt and liberate your zone from the Caliphate grasp. An uphill task no doubt, but what is life without hope, and what has ever been achieved that was not worked for or first thought of? Not much.

Thank you.

I think I know you on Facebook. Is your first name Christopher? And were you once on the forum PROUDLY ANIOMA, PROUDLY IGBO?

Not just me. Most Northern christians of my generation have grown farther apart from the core-north mentally over the years. If you put Hausa fulanis, my people and Southerners together in one place, you will see my people relate with Southerners far better than we do with Hausa fulanis.
This was not the case with the previous generations.

I was even surprised when I went to Jos, Kaduna, Adamawa e.t.c to see the strong receptiveness of my people towards Igbos. Many strongly favor us being pro Biafran
I knew it was just a matter of time for my generation to completely change the tide and direction of things.

The only problem we have is that some old idiiots like Yakubu Gowon who put us in our current predicament still dominate our socio-cultural, traditional and political space. That is why we the youth are gradually coming together to put these old idiiots where they belong.

senatordave1:
Oga wase case is not peculiar.it is commob all over Nigeria.in abia aba south and ohafia have more populations yet are sharing federal constituencies while bende which is lesser in population is on its own.
What of ogbia in bayelsa that have its own constitiency while southern ijaw and yenagoa with more numbers are sharing constituencies?
What of burutu in delta being alone while a whole warri is combined? What will you call that? Perish this though of insecurity

See, things in the south and in the north are not done in the same way or the same manner.

Let me ask you a question. What caused the first religious crisis in Jos in 1993?

I am sure u will never know it!

It was the creation of Jos north LGA. There was once 1 Jos LGA where all parts of Jos and Bukuru were included.
The indigenes of Plateau state then requested for the creation of Federe LGA but IBB rejected it and created Jos north with the hope of a muslim majority there, but it failed. This event lead to an outcry and unrest all over old Plateau state cos everyone was aware of the reason behind this.
This is something everybody knows. Even the Hausa fulani knows. If you ask them, they'll tell you.

Babangida created Jos north in order to give the Hausa fulani settlers a place where they could have a political stake!
Like half of the Christian parts of Jos were pushed into Jos south LGA and merged with Bukuru and hundreds of other villages & rural areas. Why?

In Kaduna state, can u explain why Sabo that was in old Kaduna LGA was pushed into Chikun LGA while Tudunwada that is north of the river was taken into Kaduna south LGA?
Kaduna river is the divider between Kaduna city north & South and it was supposed to be the basis of the division of Old Kaduna LGA into Kaduna north & south LGAs.
How then on Earth, did places in the north of the river fall into Kaduna south LGA? Is that not broad daylight voodoo?

See, when people like us say things like this, no Hausa fulani muslims can ever dare to argue or challenge these things because they know that it is true.
So, as a Southerner, I don't even think I owe you explanation of these things. Cos u will never understand them.

If u must argue, Bring facts from the north to counter these claims of mine, not from the south where religion is not an issue.

If u want to make comparisons btw the South & North, you ask questions like, why do core-northern states have more federal constituencies than southern states on average? Has Kano ever been more populated than Lagos for it to have twice the number of Federal constituencies that Lagos has?

Subduer:
No objections from Middle-Belt generals when these DEMARCATION was forced into the SATANIC CONSTITUTION that the military IMPOSED on Nigerians.

Christians couldn't see or notice these things then in the past, cos they still trusted the muslims with their hearts and saw everybody as one...
Anyway you are very correct. Middlebelt generals were the biggest foools in Nigeria. Many of them have realized their mistakes and began to retrace their steps except for that old idiiot called Yakubu Gowon.
I pray God keeps him longer to see how his one Nigeria will eventually end in shambles and he dies a shameful death.

kolaaderin:
even the Ikirun and offa are predominantly Muslims to the tune of 70 %. This IPOB statistics is never correct, go to those places physically and judge.

Bros, Ikirun is in Osun state. Are we talking about Osun state or Kwara state here?

Make a combination of Kwara south and tell me if muslims can outnumber Christians in Kwara south. Kwara south does not begin and end in Offa.

abduljabbar4:
I remember having a heated argument with someone because of this issue. A few months later, he was humbled. You people are considering the huge number of Christians there without accounting for the number of Muslims in there. The Christians in Northern Nigeria are probably not up to 30%

By the way, how dare you say that there are more Christians than Muslims in Samaru, Palladan and Wusasa? Are you for real or is it because they are substantial in number within those areas? Always making careless claims.

Okay, well I am available for the argument, maybe the person who you argued with knows nothing about Christian population in the north. People like us have been in this field for the last 10 years.

Christians are naturally passive people and that is why muslims take us for granted.

Kwangila & Palladan are more like a 50-50. But Samaru, Wusasa & Sabongari are a clear Christian majority.
A place like Wusasa is not even in question. Everyone has always known that Wusasa is like the native Christian part of Zaria.

Yes there are Muslims in these places, but are there no Christians in the heavily muslim parts of Zaria as well?

Look below and see the screenshot of Google maps from a neighborhood in Samaru. Can u see the number of churches there?

darfay:
Where are bura people from?

It seems you are right, annang shouldn't outnumber urhobo people. What is a truly truly realistic number for berom in her estimation, recently met with someone online from plateau who claimed to be berom, The giant of the state

Maybe you should do something ethnic minorities or northern tribes one of these days

Bura are the largest tribe in Southern Borno and 2nd largest in Borno state after Kanuris.
They spread into Adamawa state.

Berom people in my estimate are approx 1 million. They are the largest tribe in Plateau state, but not even up to ¼ of the state. They are like 20% of the state.


I have made a post on the largest minority groups in Nigeria based on LGAs. Here is it below.

https://www.nairaland.com/5733910/top-25-minority-ethnic-groups.

Although I was supposed to make one based on the 1st colonial census of 1910, but I haven't gotten my hands on that of Southern ethnicities, only that of northern ethnicities.

mhbabanna:
Nonsense misinformation. Continue wallowing in self deciet, this is not worth arguing. Any one who believes this write up at the detriment of his/her common sense.

Why don't you disprove it with your superior facts or keep quiet?

darfay:
I never knew urhobos were more than igalas. And ogonis more than isoko people. I have never met an ogoni fellow before.
@Nowenuse that means berom are actually not that large @ all

Assuming the stats are credible

These stats are very unreliable and useless.

Imagine Alago people being more than Bura people. Alago that do not even have a single LGA in Nasarawa state that they make up the overwhelming majority of the population being compared to Buras that dominate 3 LGAs entirely without another tribe and are significant minorities in like 3 other LGAs.

In the 1st census of Northern Nigeria around 1910, Beroms had the largest population besides Kanuris, Benue & Kogi tribes and Gbagyis.

Gbagyis outnumbered Nupes, Idomas & Igalas in the 1910 census but see where they are on that list. These things are highly inconsistent abeg.

You know this list is useless with the Edo numbers. That numbers for Edo, is it for the whole Edo state or for only Benin people?

If it is for the whole Edo state, how on Earth can Tivs, Ijaws & even Ibibios outnumber all Edo state indigenes combined?

If it is for only BINI people, then why are Esan & Afemai people not on the list? It's not possible for Esan people to be too small to make the list while the likes of Isoko & Chamba make the list.


As for Igalas. Okpoto & Ogugu people were sometimes not counted into Igala population. Especially Ogugu. They used to be counted as a separate ethnic group.
Also, Igala speakers in the SE & SS are not counted into Igala population.

ZKOSOSO:
Just Imagine the Evil Plans from time past.....!

eagleu:
Good job, sir.

I just included the map. I forgot to include it.

Yes my brother, so so many evil plans and arrangements were done to empower muslims over christians in not just Kaduna state but the entire region and country.

In my state Plateau for instance, Wase LGA (which has a large population of fulanis) was given a Federal constituency of it's own, while 2 and 3 LGAs were merged as 1 constituency in other parts of Plateau state.

My LGA of origin (Mangu) has by far the highest population of indigenes in Plateau state, yet we had to be merged with another LGA as one constituency, while Wase LGA which is not even up to half the population of my LGA is a constituency of it's own, just because they want a fulani man to have a permanent seat among the 8 federal representatives of my state.

This was a similar game they played in Kaduna state.

I wonder how our people were blind to these things for ages! Well we thank God for the internet that has helped us to expose all these lies and for us to know where we stand.

Efewestern:
Such fear is very much justifiable, judging from the fact that these same minorities in the past, had shared same region with either of these major ethnic groups, their experience... HMmMMMM.

Everyone should run their race jor.

Are you saying that Fear of the future is stronger than the oppression of now? Have u heard of the saying that goes, "We will cross the bridge when we get to it?"

Do you believe that being oppressed by a retrogressive bunch of illiterates who has given you an identity of terrorism is better than being oppressed by an educated and progressive people?

Only cowards prefer their present condition of servitude because they are so much afraid of their future, forgetting that the future is in your hands and it becomes what u make of it.


I grew up in URHOBO land and to a large extent I am ashamed of what the region is. It's not as if I am ashamed of the region because it is worse than others, rather I am ashamed that the region is still where it is today considering the abundance of mineral resources and wealth you guys have.

As much as we middlebelt people are suffering injustice in Nigeria, Nigeria is still benefiting us to an extent. However it doesn't mean that we may not progress without Nigeria.

Look at Abuja and see the huge wealth in there. Same with Lagos. These 2 cities are a huge product and reflection of the wealth coming from your region.
If Nigeria divides today, none of these 2 cities with all the development in there are going with your people.
Warri is becoming a shadow of itself day by day.

Do you guys ever think that one day when oil becomes irrelevant, that your children and grandchildren will ask you what you people made of the immense oil wealth from your region when this oil was hotcake? What answers are you going to give them, when same children look at places like Dubai and see what they made out of theirs?

Subduer:
Please kindly post a map of Kaduna State showing the Local Govt Areas, & Senatorial Zones

This is the map of Kaduna below. Can u see Chikun, Kajuru, Kauru & Lere LGAs at the same horizontal level? But Chikun & Kajuru are in Kaduna central, Kauru is in Kaduna south while Lere is in Kaduna north.
How can Lere & Kauru who are side by side in the same horizontal level, yet one is in Kaduna north and the other is in Kaduna south?

Then can you see Giwa & Birnin Gwari LGAs that share boundary with Katsina & Zamfara states? They are both in Kaduna central. If this is not a fraud to weaken the Christians in Kaduna state, tell me what it is!

Agboriotejoye:
As I told you before, there are people who live in ikire and Iwo who come to trade in Ibadan and return back everyday so why can't they be added to Ibadan since the result of your analysis will mean Ibadan developed those places.
You cant live in suleja and claim to be living in Abuja. This event of lockdown as shown that. While Abuja FCT is on lockdown, movement is allowed in suleja at night. So if you have a business in suleja and use Abuja as your address, you're simply wasting your time.

FYI, there's no direct transport from Lagos to Iwo. Either you take a bus going to Ilorin with the assurance they'll pass Iwo or you take a bus to Ibadan and enter Iwo from there. Same with ikire.

If you're talking of small settlements being swallowed up by bigger towns, it will be suleja swallowing up madalla but Abuja has in no way swallowed both up. If you're going from Lagos to suleja, you either take a bus to Abuja and get down at zuba to continue your journey or you take a bus to Minna and then take a bus to suleja. I hope you can see a similarity with the Ibadan-Iwo case. So just as you can't say you're going to Iwo from Lagos, you can't say you're going to suleja from Lagos. It's not because both towns have been swallowed up by their respective bigger cities, it's because they have no direct route.

Okay, Lagos is south-west of Ibadan, Iwo & Ikire. How about if I want to enter a vehicle from Oyo town or Ife to Iwo? Will I enter Ibadan motor? Hell no!
But if I am going to Lalupon I must enter Ibadan motor.

I gave you this example in Nasarawa state. Lafia & Karu are in the same Nasarawa state, just 1 hour away. Infact from Lafia, you get to Karu first, before you get to Abuja. But why is it that vehicles from Lafia do not load to Karu? Why is that people leaving Lafia to Karu will not tell you that they are going to Karu? Rather, everyone tells you they are going to Abuja!

If Lagos State govt enforces a law, does it affect Ota, Ifo & Ibafo? Of course not, but does it stop these places from being part of Lagos metro area based on world rankings? Hell no!

I have told you before to stop judging places based on states! The state boundaries we have today were created few decades ago, Nigeria can divide anytime and all these state names and boundaries will be changed.
If Niger state ceases to exist and Suleja urban, Karu urban, Abuja Municipal are all put under a Federal city jurisdiction called ABUJA, what happens then? Will u accept them as Abuja then?
That is why the world rankings do not judge a metro area based on states, LGAs or even countries! They rank and judge these things simply based on how urban areas coexist and are dependent on each other!

Wait oo, are you trying to say Suleja, Zuba & Madalla are not one urban area? Do you have eyes at all?
Look at the picture below, can't u see how the houses from Madalla/Zuba merge with each other down to Diko?

Agboriotejoye:
Wrong!!

Suleja was already existing as a town before Abuja. You're the one merging zuba, madalla and dikko with suleja. Nobody else has done that which is why I asked why you didn't also merge lambata with suleja since it's close to suleja as well. If you do that, by extension lambata will also become part of Abuja urban. The problem you're having is using the proximity of suleja to count it as part of Abuja and just as scholes said, if you're using proximity then gwagwalada and bwari have no business being part of Abuja.

Oga, a town existing before another develops into it is not the matter. Bukuru was existing b4 Jos developed into it. Effurun & Udu were existing before Warri developed into them.
Nkpor, Nkwelle & Obosi were existing before Onitsha developed into them.
Go to that previous thread and see the way Igbos wanted to eat me raw because I did not include towns after Obosi into the measurement of Onitsha.
Like I gave an example before. Asaba & Onitsha are only separated by a river, just the same way Kaduna city north & south are divided by a river, but why are Onitsha & Asaba considered different urban areas but Kaduna is considered one city?
And don't even bring the DIFFERENT STATES CRAP, because Kaduna city is to be divided into 2 parts along the river when GURARA STATE will be created for Southern Kaduna people. Will the creation of Gurara state suddenly stop Kaduna city from being one city?

Pls answer this questions before we proceed.


Lambata is even far away from Diko! It is many km away from Diko or Madalla and in between it and these places there are no smaller towns that connect them together.
This is typically unlike Gwagwalada, Kuje & Bwari which have multiple towns connecting them to Abuja Municipal.

That is why I asked scholes0 that if he says Gwagwalada is not part of Abuja metro but Zuba is part, then what about Tungan Maje that you can stand in Zuba and throw a stone from there and it will land in Tungan Maje?
If u accept Tungan Maje as part of it, how about Anagada & Giri (the road to the airport) that are also a stonethrow away from each other and to Tungan Maje? Then immediately after Giri is Gwako and then you throw a stone from Gwako and u are in Gwagwalada!
The same thing with Bwari & Kuje.
You cannot separate these towns from each other.
And why is the University in Gwagwalada called THE UNIVERSITY OF ABUJA and not the UNIVERSITY OF GWAGWALADA?

Can you go and open a university in Ikire or Iwo and call it university of Ibadan?

Answer the questions!


Look at the picture below. Can u see the red pin? That is where Lambata is, you can see how far it is from Diko. How on Earth can that place be part of Abuja metro? Can you see Tafa on that map also? Tafa is closer to Kubwa (Abuja Municipal) & Suleja, but it is not included in Abuja metro! So don't bring useless arguments in.

Naajjii:
You are a liar, keep decieving yourself with self imagination. What is true is what we have on ground which is christians are minorities in the north and that reflected in the number of states christians are governing(3) against 16 for muslims. Religion plays key role on who emerges as a governor in all the northern states. Taraba, Benue and Plateau are the 3 states dominated by christians in the north hence the 3 governors they got. Nassarawa state is another state that a christian can become governor if they put their act together the remaining 15 states in the north will always have muslim Governors. Its not possible for a muslim to become governor of plateau or Benue state or even Taraba no matter how political savy smart they are due to the fact that they are minorities much the same way christians can not be a governor in the other 15 states in the north because they are minorities.
I dont like doing this religion thing but i have to counter you because i realised that you are a religion and tribal Instigator.

Northern Christians have not been playing politics based on religion. It is northern muslims that have always been playing politics based on religion and that is why it is impossible to find a place that is muslim majority in the north and they elect a Christian as their political leader.
However, times without number, Muslims are elected in places that are overwhelmingly Christian.

E.g Ibrahim Nasiru Mantu (former deputy Senate president)was elected senator for 8 years in Plateau central senatorial district.

Are you aware that Plateau central is 80% Christian?

The first senator of Taraba south (in 1999) was also a muslim, is Taraba south a muslim majority zone?

The former senator of Adamawa south was was a muslim. Is Adamawa south Muslim majority?

In the just concluded elections in Gombe south. The Christian APC candidate won the muslim PDP candidate with a very tiny margin.
The last 2 house of reps representing Gombe south were muslims.

Now tell me, is Gombe south a muslim majority zone?


Christians have always been voting for muslims even in Places were muslims are a small minority, but muslims will never vote for Christians unless they are a minority in such places.

So, I repeat, only a big foool will judge Northern Nigeria's population based on the religions of their political leaders. That would only have been possible if the Christians had been playing religious politics from the beginning. However facts have shown that this is not the case.

senatordave1:
Oga kaduna is 55% Muslims.even southern kaduna people sokapu accept this fact.kogi is 55%.Muslims.gombe is over 70% Muslims...

My problem with you is that you do not even know the demography of the places you are giving religious percentages.
I have interacted with thousands of people from all over almost every LGA of the north. I have also travelled to these places. I have met with their leaders. I belong to their social media groups (of over a hundred tribes). I know these places far more than you do, so, when I give u statistics, try to take them cos I can give u LG to LG and tribe to tribe analysis of these places.

Kaduna state would have been like 55 or even 60% muslims if there was no significant number of Christians in Northern Kaduna.

I myself used to accept 55% muslims in Kaduna, not until I came across Hausa Christians from Northern Kaduna and they explained their area for me. Do you know the population of Hausa Christians in Ikara LGA? They are up to 35% of that LGA! They are in the interior rural areas and most of them wear kaftan & hijab like muslims and speak strong Hausa cos they are native Hausa speakers.
You can hardly differentiate them from Muslims. Hausa indigene Christians are all over Soba, Giwa, Makarfi, Kudan, Igabi and Zaria LGAs. Hausa land in Northern Kaduna is at least 20% indigenous Christians, but Hausa Christians are a very very timid people and that is why they seem very invisible and people wrongly think that Northern Kaduna is entirely muslim.

There are more indigenous Christians in Northern Kaduna than there are indigenous Muslims in Southern Kaduna. Most muslims in SK are Hausa fulani settlers.


Also, Birnin Gwari, Kubau & Igabi are considered pure Hausa LGAs, but ⅓ of these 3 LGAs belong to Gbagyis, Kamuku & Kurama christians.

The thing is that Christians tend to be very quiet, timid and respectful in a place that they are a minority, but muslims will still make noise and cause trouble in a place that they are a minority (making it look like they are significant in that place).

Do you know the population of Hausa Christians in Kano & Katsina? They are up to 20% of the indigenous population of both states, but you never hear anything from them.



Only a very big joker will say Gombe is up to 70% muslim. Are u aware that Gombe south is 90% Christian? Then 2 of the 3 LGAs in Gombe central (Akko & Yamaltu) are up to 35% Christian?

senatordave1:
The op is a religious supremacist

I am proud of it! After all, I wasn't the one who started it in Nigeria, was I?

ZKOSOSO:
You seemed to be an outsider to the politics of the north even though you're one of them.
That you have 16 Muslims as govnor don't translate to the real population dichotomy of religion in the north.
Christians are known to care far less who governs them provided the fellow can perform. If we Christians are to dubiously force our way as the HausaFulanis are doing over the ages, it would be difficult for Kaduna, Nasarawa, Kogi, Adamawa, Gombe to have a Muslim governor in all its constituencies. Muslims are minority in the states above in reality.
As for Edo state, you don't know anything cos you're not an Edo indigene let alone know the religious diff in South. The population of Muslims in Edo North is less than 20% while 1% or less in the other 2 Senatorial districts. So how do you produce a Deputy gov let alone Gov in any part of the SS??

Muslims are a clear minority in Adamawa, Nasarawa & Kogi.
Kaduna to me seems more like a 50-50, while Gombe is like 60% Muslim.
Christians cannot be more than muslims in Gombe.
There is no way a state will be 50-50 or predominantly Christian and it's state capital will be overwhelmingly muslim.

Subduer:
Sir, that Borno south is FULLY represented by moslems doesn't mean that moslems form the majority of that population. If you live in Nigeria you will understand why Book Haram has fighting a FUTILE war to islamise that region.

Thank you very much. You see, muslims take politics more seriously. To them, it is a do or die affair and that is why, any place that muslims are up to 40%, they end up dominating that place politically.

ZKOSOSO:
You seemed to be an outsider to the politics of the north even though you're one of them.
That you have 16 Muslims as govnor don't translate to the real population dichotomy of religion in the north.
Christians are known to care far less who governs them provided the fellow can perform. If we Christians are to dubiously force our way as the HausaFulanis are doing over the ages, it would be difficult for Kaduna, Nasarawa, Kogi, Adamawa, Gombe to have a Muslim governor in all its constituencies. Muslims are minority in the states above in reality.
As for Edo state, you don't know anything cos you're not an Edo indigene let alone know the religious diff in South. The population of Muslims in Edo North is less than 20% while 1% or less in the other 2 Senatorial districts. So how do you produce a Deputy gov let alone Gov in any part of the SS??

Bro, Muslims are not even up to 10% in Edo state right now. They are like 8%. I know Edo state like the back of my palm. Although in the past (30 yrs ago), muslims were up to 15% in Edo state.

The only LGA in Edo state which can still be majority muslims is Etsako west (where you have Auchi, South Ibie, Aviele-Agbede & Jattu), but even in Etsako west right now, Christians are very many. In the past Etsako west used to be 100% Muslim. My brother's wife is from South Ibie, she and all her siblings were born as muslims, but today all of them are now Christians (over 20 children), her mother is now a Christian too.
Oshiomole is from Jattu, his parents were muslims, but he is now a christian and Jattu which is the biggest clan in Etsako west is now Christian majority.
Apostle Johnson Suleiman is also from Etsako west, with a Muslim father, he is now a Christian.

The influence of Christianity in the south was too strong for Etsako people. Etsako people are now Christian majority (like 75%). In the past, they were something like 65% muslim.

Etsako east is now almost entirely Christian (90% Christian), but it used to be like 40% Muslim in the past. Etsako central is now something like 30% Muslim, but it used to be like 70% muslim.

Owan & Akoko-Edo used to be like 20% muslims in the past, but today they are only like 5% Muslim or less.

Muslims are now a minority in Etsako land and Etsako land is 50% of Edo north and Edo north is ⅓ of Edo state. Do the mathematics for yourself and tell me if muslims can be up to 10% in Edo state.

scholes0:
Well, I might have measured some bushes, BUT I only followed your exact style which you are basing your facts on. Besides, you added too much green and brown in your Abuja measurements.Ibadan's green only looks more obvious than the green and brown of Abja because Abuja is savannah and Ibadan is tropical high forest and tall tree savanna type vegetation. If I increase the contrast and saturation of your Abuja measurements and increase the green composition of the RGB, you would see how much outside the city limits some of your measurements are.



Also, I don't consider Gwagwalada to be Abuja, although it is is a town in the FCT. I understand that you think otherwise, but no problem. Infact I was only adding Suleja from my initial measurements for the sake of argument. Suleja isn't Abuja either. Suleja is completely different from Abuja and does not have any vibe in common with Abuja. It felt like a completely separate and independent town the time I was there unlike Karu that had strong Abuja vibes. If the government was compiling a list of largest cities and towns in Nigeria, trust me when I tell you that Suleja will not be included in Abuja nor even 'Abuja urban area' for that matter.



Lol, yours does not look more accurate than mine. I have explained it to you earlier above ^^ how Geography works. What YOU on the other hand are doing is maximizing land area for different areas during measurement and then totalling them together to gain a land area advantage.



Yes my measurements of Ibadan was 702 km² for Ibadan at close marking, and 550km² for Abuja + adjoining towns at that same criteria. When I used the same method as you (distant marking) Ibadan remained significantly larger at over 1,000km². If you want me to measure the Abuja area again separately then add them together, I might do that at some later time.



Your friend's measurements of Abuja is wrong. I already called it "Wuru wuru to the answer" earlier. And once again, Gwagwalada is not Abuja. Everyone has been telling you this right from that original thread into this newer one. People even told you that his measurements were not consistent that he zoomed out to measure some cities and measured some others at closer resolution.

Look at the map below, my friend remeasured Ibadan and he added all the suburbs this time around, he even included Idi-Ayunre at the south of Ibadan (which you did not add in your own diagram). And he got 680km².

So I am waiting for you to remeasure Abuja Municipal, Karu urban, Suleja urban, Gwagwalada, Bwari, Kuje and all the other dozen smaller towns in between these 6 urban areas. Then let us compare.

Ibadan urban can only be bigger than Abuja metro in the dream and not physically. The fact that Abuja metro is disjointed, doesn't make it any less of a Metro.
Go and read international documents very well and learn what a metro is.

See the 2nd picture of Abuja Municipal which I measured (zoomed in). Abuja Municipal has green areas within the city because it is a well planned city with parks, gardens, lakes and good spacing.