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Blackking98:
Lol she doesn't even understand the complexity of the matter at hand, by right we're supposed to have an umbrella name like the igbos or Yorubas or ijaw have, just found out ijaw alone has more than ten groups or clans , just because we don't have an umbrella name for Akwa ibomites and efiks it's giving this online researches morale to talk trash

nsiba:
Gather here people let me teach you all IBIBIO history and not a tw-at that doesn't know the name of her village
An idoit living in America wants to teach us history from Washington DC....thunder destroy a thousand times
I will teach you all and this fool well researched, scientific and common sense oral true history
Ekpo Unam Ikot wants to teach me history, a vagabo-nd want to tell me who I am...

AmuDimpka:
You guys talk like clowns

In Nsuka axis we have a village called Igbo Eze (Igbo the king ) and you say igbo didn't cover them...you must be smoking Arizona... Igbo Eze has been there centuries

In ikwerre axis we have a town named Obigbo ( heart of Igbo ) yet you said that British made everyone Igbo ...you must be smoking Uduak dried urine

Around ukwuani you said that the British made them Igbo yet we have a core Igbo town around that axis called IgboBi Na Uzor (Igbuzor) meaning the Igbo that live on the road

You must be smoking spoilt Afang soup


Face your self and confused folks .Igbo have evolved and left you folks behind


Before the whites and ...the Igbo have been greeting the public with "Igbo kwenu " the public would say "eeeeh"

We have been known as Igbo right from time immemorial...the name Igbo means ancient and Ndị Igbo means the ancient people...

As you can see these towns that I named has been there even before colonials came or would you say they are the ones that created these towns

Or would you say the man that bears Igbokwe from Nsukka or Igboanugo from Anambra or Nwaigbo from rivers was named by colonials

Make una dey use una sense this confused middle belt boy...face the fulani that is taking over plateau State

Frankdoz8:
A list of Igbo Speaking communities in Igalaland, Kogi State.
The Igala are an ethnic group predominant in the present day Kogi State. They have physical boundaries and cultural afflictions with the Igbo, Idoma, Okun and Edo.
While a whole lot is known about some Igbo-speaking communities such as the Anioma in Delta State, Ndoki, Ikwerre and Etche in Riverstate, the Umuezekaoha people of Benue State etc. outside the five Southeastern states, very little is known as the Igbo-speaking people in Igala land.
As a result of the the heavy settlement of Igbo migrant farmers (19th and 20th centuries) in Igala land, one could find a handful of communities which are Igbo-speaking communities going by their names. Also, If you're acquainted with Igala language, you will find out that there's no 'Z' in their alphabet which is present in Igbo language. This equally justifies that the communities in question belong to the Igbo people.
The following are the Igbo-speaking communities in Igala land.
The EkeAvurugo in Ibaji LGA. They speak Igbo as their first language and Igala as their second language.
2. Ugwuebonyi, Ebokwe, Ozara, Amaeke, Amankpo, Amauwani camp, Amaokwu, Amadiefioha, Amaufulu, etc. all in Igalamela/Odolu lga of Kogi State
3. Nwajala, Umuoye, Ubulie-Umueze in Ibaji lga of Kogi state.
4. The Odolu community in Igalamela/Odolu LGA is said to speak Igala as first language and the Nsukka Igbo dialect as second language.
5. Akpanya in Igalamela/Odolu LGA. They all speak Igbo. Everyone born and bred in the town speak Igbo.
6. Onicha-Igo is a town in Ofu LGA of Kogi state

omoharry:
I look forward to the day that a Yoruba man will opportune to hold strong political positions in Igbo land and so the igbos in yoruba land. Now if these leaders do exceptionally well and bringing development to that those regions, wont it water down hatred & tribalism they have for each other?
We can never progress in this country until we make peace with our neighbors that equality want peace.I see this collaboration within the south and middle belt.I dont know about the core north..those ones want something else.

omoharry:
Nigerians travel and stay in other countries for so many years and become citizens / indigene of their locality. This give them the same right as other citizens to vie for political positions there.We celebrate them and will are the first to post it here on Nairaland. But when it comes for us to replicate so same, we become bias and sentimental.We are so attached to our so called land that it has remained underdeveloped for decades due to our backward thinking . America is great country today, becos it provided a platform where different race are given the same opportunities to become citizens in which they can partake in the development of the country.
We are too backward in thinking..This is why Ghana and other African countries are moving forward and we are retrogressing because we have refused to think like modern people. Eat your land na and stay in the polluted , dirty and backward looking land you call my own.
Make sure you do not dream of traveling and becoming a citizen of another country becos it will be a shame.

Cyberterror:
Dreamer. This bill was first mooted by Igbos. Just as Igbos in Lagos will become indigenes of Lagos, fulanis in Enugu and Anambra will also become indigenes there.

Kingspin:
That is not my point rather how Dubai could manage such strangers to achieving the level of development in that country. These are foreigners 95 of them well organised under favourable laws and orders backed by Dubai leaders. otherwise, nobody will enter Dubai.

My early clarification is Dubai is one country made up of 95 per cent outsiders yet nobody claims those foreigners are taken up their land and all that.

What Dubai cares about is development and jobs. The law is there.

The failure of Nigeria state seems to be affecting everybody anyway.

Kingspin:
Society is about law and order.

There are country foreigners made up 95percent of their population yet they are more comfortable and developed than Nigeria. I am talking about UAE, Dubai.

Nigeria is a whole failure that is the problem.

spendoon:
You are not smart at all now let me tell you, most of the undeveloped areas in kaduna are mostly dominated by Christians

senatordave1:
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I thought the kaduna river is the boundary between Kaduna north and south so how can any area north of the river be in kaduna south? Is sabo Muslim or xtian dominated

Agboriotejoye:
For Kaduna, I've explained it to you using Jebba. A pointer to that is the existence of southern Kaduna just was we have Jebba north and Jebba south, both being different towns. Highlight Abuja metropolitan area in that ur screen shot and you'll see that FCT is what is referred to as Abuja metropolitan areas. Suleja being defined as satellite town is because of the influx of people there. It does not automatically make it a part of Abuja. Refer to Apomu/Ikire I mentioned previously.

Like I said, you need to understand those areas before you start mapping them. Not only me, you can see that no one has agreed with you concerning areas they're familiar with so far. That's because identity of a particular area cannot be subsumed simply because it is close to a city. If it is done by the administrative authority no qualms. But an individual cannot just do it. You have to work with what is on ground else your efforts become purely academic.

Agboriotejoye:
Look forget all this history. I know it before you knew it. It's interesting you mention Ibadan and Ogbomoso. That's why I asked you to show us your parameters. Do you know that Ogbomoso historically was part of Oyo? The founder of Ogbomoso fled from Ibadan. That's why the king is called Soun( stay there). Abuja and Suleja have always been different places but Abuja was under suleja. That's why I ask you which one should take preference over the other.

The whole FCT area has been administratively described as under Abuja even if they have no relationship according to you. It's just like Badagry and Lagos. That's what I've always wanted you to understand. If you want to add areas to Abuja as part of Abuja, it will be those areas mapped as FCT but definitely not suleja or Karu which are distinct administrative areas just as you recognized Ogbomoso as distinct from Ibadan.

If you want to add suleja to Abuja because people who live there work in Abuja, why don't you also add Apomu and Ikire to Ibadan since people live in those places and work in Ibadan too. I can assure you if you add apomu and Ikire to Ibadan, it will balloon more than you can imagine. Note that both towns are under Osun state. You can also add Ogere remo too from Ogun state since people who work in BAT live in Ogere.

The problem is you don't understand the subject you dabbled into. You just got google map and started mapping areas that suit your fancy as part of a city. What you need is to get native knowledge of those places before you go into your research.

If you are not comfortable with it anymore, you are allowed to remove gwagwalada and Bwari from Abuja. It makes no difference to me. What I want to call your attention to I have. Hope you get it

forgiveness:
The bolded are not areas in Lagos state hence can't be classified as urban 'areas' of Lagos state. Thanks

myobjective:
That is why I always differentiate between the Muslim and the Christian North. The Christian northerners are very progressive people you will even differentiate them from average southerners even here in the north.

The core north actually enjoyed the military patronage than any group in Nigeria but due to lack of capacity, they actually squandered most of the wealth. Reasons why some of their towns still have most of the infrastructure built during the military era.

Do you know that Suleja town actually has a running pipe born water as early as the year 2000? GRA like Suleiman Barrau way has federal gov't built estate that occupies a 1/4 of the actual city before the explosion in population. I reside in this area between 1993 to the year 2001, between this time electricity was constant, pipe-borne water was 24hours and the area was serene but if you go back to this area it is now a shadow of itself.

If the military government was actually fair to southerners and as they invested in the north, there wouldn't be any room for comparison between the south and the north, the later would be so far far ahead of he later in any form of development.

rollingrocks:
Op, please can we see the calabar maps? Thanks

Agboriotejoye:
The guy's problem is oversabi. How can you carry an American system of defining boundaries to Nigeria. America have mayors and the cities with homogenous groups which are more or less like states with their own autonomy.
You now compare to Nigeria that uses LGAs and recognises towns as separate units from cities with tribes and races. Suleja has an emir. He'll rather die than hear he is now a part of Abuja because Abuja belongs to gbagyi
He should have found out how cities and urban settlements are mapped in Nigeria.
But he has an ulterior motive based on his previous thread which was to prove that northern cities are bigger than southern ones. Same guy is now accusing someone of tribalism.
All he did is academic in the real sense and to all intents and purposes have no bearing in those areas he crafted.

Nowenuse, sorry your attempt has failed. Try next time

Agboriotejoye:
The guy's problem is oversabi. How can you carry an American system of defining boundaries to Nigeria. America have mayors and the cities with homogenous groups which are more or less like states with their own autonomy.
You now compare to Nigeria that uses LGAs and recognises towns as separate units from cities with tribes and races. Suleja has an emir. He'll rather die than hear he is now a part of Abuja because Abuja belongs to gbagyi
He should have found out how cities and urban settlements are mapped in Nigeria.
But he has an ulterior motive based on his previous thread which was to prove that northern cities are bigger than southern ones. Same guy is now accusing someone of tribalism.
All he did is academic in the real sense and to all intents and purposes have no bearing in those areas he crafted.

Nowenuse, sorry your attempt has failed. Try next time

Agboriotejoye:
In ur op, you added bwari, karu, gwagwalada to Abuja. Why didn't you just refer to all those places as fct. I'm simply following your definition.
Do you know where bwari and kuje are? When people say Abuja, it is loosely used to refer to the fct as a whole. Nobody in bwari will say I'm in bwari but not in Abuja. But nobody will say I'm in Abuja whereas he's in suleja. Suleja is to all intents and purposes different from Abuja. Quote me anywhere. I'm telling you dis as someone who moves round those areas well. It's just like Lagos. Someone in Ikeja and another in ketu are in Lagos. But nobody will be in Mowe and say he's in Lagos.

Like I told you, if you decide to come up with ur own definition to add suleja to Abuja, it's ur wahala. But when Abuja/FCT was being created, suleja was not part of it.

senatordave1:
I think same can be seen in kaduna with urbanization expanding to parts of chikun and igabi lgas

myobjective:
I am a civil engineer and I have actually visited both city to work on building project. I used to have this believe until I actually visit Ibadan to handle a building project. During the course of the project, I actually traveled around and I was amazed by the level of development of the city.

The edge the south normally has over the north is presence of more middle class. These middle class are the people responsible for most of these modern districts in the south, reasons why southern states capital normally have more modern districts than their northern counterpart. For example, a city like Minna has wonderful road, canal and drainage in the city but the built up areas are abysmally poor compare to a city like Awka that may not such infrastructure. Minna infrastructure were largely built by the Babangida gov't but due to the level of poverty of inhabitant the city is not so good.

myobjective:
People in Suleja actually believe they are in Abuja. Taking a bus to the city centre, no one says he is going to Abuja, they will only tell you that they are going to Begger, Wuse, Kubwa express, AYA etc.

myobjective:
I will disagree with you here. Suleja is just like a satellite town to Abuja. There is no much difference between Kubwa, Kuje, Gwagwalada and Suleja. In fact, Suleja is better than Gwagwalada and Abaji owing to her closeness to Abuja.

If you are using development to judge where is Abuja then you will have to limit Abuja to the Maitama, Wuse, Gariki, Asokoro, central area, Gwarinpa and Katampe. Since, places like Gwagwalada, Kuje, Bwari, Tunga maje, kubwa etc don't have all these infrastructures.

Agboriotejoye:
Dude you're the ignorant soul. Gwagwalada and bwari are part and parcel of Abuja. No one can even remove them. I don't even know why you did cause it makes no sense to. Your problem is you've not been to those places or studied them. You just sat down with Google and started doing what fits your narrative.

Whenever you go to suleja. Shout "hurrah!! I'm in Abuja" and see if you'll not be taken to the nearest hospital.

Afam4eva:
So, people don't know the difference between cities and and urban areas. For instance, in the US, they use terms like "Greater Boston Area". This simple means places that may not be part of the city of Boston but have formed some kind of conurbation with the city. The same thing can be applied to cities in Nigeria. For instance. places like Mowe and Sango Ota are not in Lagos but are a part of Greater Lagos. Infact, people who live in those places will tell you that they live in Lagos.

Agboriotejoye:
Here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalla
That's for Madalla. If you've been to both places, you'll know they are under suleja local govt and are therefore in Niger state.

I have read your link and while I see what the idea is about, i have to inform you that you'll have to remove Ibadan at least from your list dat I'm sure of. That's because Ibadan has not subsumed any adjoining town or settlement to become part of it. Even Lagos cannot add ota and agbara as you did because agbara for example is an industrial zone servicing Lagos while ota is not even in any way contiguous with Lagos. While the nearness of suleja to Abuja would suggest a melt, it's obvious to those who are familiar with suleja that it does not share much with Abuja in terms of infrastructure or urbanisation. Abuja is well planned, Suleja is not. Transport in Abuja is totally different from what obtains in suleja, same with any other infrastructure you may think of. For example, most roads in Abuja main are dualised while no road in suleja is dualised. Ask those who know. The only thing they share is the workers in Abuja who live in suleja due to the cheaper cost of accommodation. Same applies to zuba and madalla. In fact, madalla is more or less a glorified village. Nothing urban about it. Ask those who know.

senatordave1:
My brother,google maps can also make mistakes actually its human creation.uyo cannot be bigger than calabar,even people from akwa ibom will not agree with you.or is asaba bigger than warri?

Warri and benin comparison is misplaced because warri is mainly three lgas plus udu and uvwie but in terms of urbanization it is mainly warri south lga and uvwie but for beginning city it cuts across about 6 or more lgas and is rapidly expanding just like onitsha,ibadan and ph.the expansion or urbanization of warri is slow and stunted due to many factors.

Agboriotejoye:
Nothing like pain. Abuja to all intents and purposes is not bigger than Ibadan. If you added agbara and ota to Lagos, you're wrong. They've never been part of Lagos.
Nothing like tribalism here. You're the one attacking Ibadan and other south west states. I only gave you a point like others have done about areas they're familiar with including senatordave1 who has been antagonising me. You can see no one agrees with you when it comes to areas they're familiar with.

Agboriotejoye:
My point is suleja, madalla, zuba, karu are not part of Abuja. Anyone who tells you otherwise does not know what he's saying

senatordave1:
I am mostly OK with your nice work from a 2nd party but i will disagree with you on ph and calabar.ogoni is not part of ph except you mean eleme and its not even all part of eleme.you can include some part of etche especially igbo etche but not all and some part of oyigbo.ph is basicslly ph and obio akpor lgs with a few part of ikwerre lga.

Mrvitalis was right about uyo.calabar urban is far far bigger than uyo city.infact calabar south alone is bigger than the whole uyo.i know urbsnization from uyo is spreading to neighbouring lgas like itu and ibesikpo but that of calabar is also spreading to akpabuyo and odukpani lgas very fast.please modify.uyo is very small like asaba

Agboriotejoye:
Nothing like pain. Abuja to all intents and purposes is not bigger than Ibadan. If you added agbara and ota to Lagos, you're wrong. They've never been part of Lagos.
Nothing like tribalism here. You're the one attacking Ibadan and other south west states. I only gave you a point like others have done about areas they're familiar with including senatordave1 who has been antagonising me. You can see no one agrees with you when it comes to areas they're familiar with.

Agboriotejoye:
Bros abbeg don't mind the guy. He should continue using google map. Since Google map told him Abuja is bigger than Ibadan. He should continue wallowing in ignorance. Brown roof ko. Red roof ni. Where was Kano when Ibadan was already highly developed in the sixties. Lagos took over from Ibadan as the most developed modern city-state in Nigeria. Leave him let him keep displaying his ignorance.

Agboriotejoye:
Don't insult me.
The person does not have physical knowledge of those places.