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Am very ashamed of yoruba people. It seems like they naturally have no shame for themselves. How disgusting for royal men to be squatting while women are standing.
Yorubas, when will u be tired of being slaves??

FYI, am not igbo, am not even from SS. cos it seems like everyone against yoruba on nairaland is branded as igbo

Nnamdi, doooohh.
I feel for igbos who want to break out of Nigeria. The only problem is that they do not know how to go about it. Igbos are too pompous, over confident, greedy and proud and that is why any agenda of theirs will never work.

Buhari has failed all Nigerians. Its a pity.

@VomeShakleton...
From the way u are commenting, its either u are high with your daily midnight dosage of Kwaya/codeine or u are extremely pissed off to the extent that u have completely lost every sense of civility So i will give u sometime to cool of ehn ....doooo....kpele.
Anyone viewing this thread will see that i never used a direct insultive word at u until now. So u started, but i'll leave it for u to continue till the codeine or tramadol effect clears off.

VomeSchakleton:
LOOOOOOL! So just because the majority of people in a place that means there not indigenous to a place? do you know how many ethnicities there are in Nigeria? Zarmawas have been part of hausaland long before Nigeria was formed, so have touaregs and many other sahelian ethnicities. hausa states have always been a mixture of ethnicities, so just because some guy decides there arent enough of them makes them any less nigerian is pretty stuupid or perhaps daft.


Hausa ancestral homeland cuts across both Niger and Nigeria and that is not in question. Kanuri homeland cuts across Nigeria, Niger & Chad, and that is not in question.


lol! i've heard kanuris and fulas speak hausa, it may not be perfect but trust me it doesnt sound like this. in fact if youve been to gombe or any of these states youd know they speak close to flawless hausa. theres kananci, zazzaganci etc and even sakwatanci which to me and most hausas sounds weird isnt this different or nearly laughable. Theres no hausa dialect in the world that properly sounds that way, the kind of hausa you speak with omission though is very common in the middle belt, and yes, we've had some workers from southern kaduna, they do speak this way. no shame in it, its not your language, still laughable though, like i said it needs work. so which dialect are you speaking?

I have met interior Adamawa fulanis and Borno Kanuris who cannot even speak hausa. At the same time, there are middlebelt indigenes who speak extremely good hausa. It varies for all second language speakers.
The people u mix with more determines.

VomeSchakleton:
PS why dont you go after brits or americans that bear christian names? whats your obesssion with hausa? i sense a bit of inferiority complex mate. stop drinking the haterade.

This is nairaland pls and not americanland or England.
We are Nigerians here and the topic is not related to the western world.

But do u know that even the Americans and Europeans answer their tribal names far more than u hausas do?

How many whites do u see answering something like Peter Joshua Abraham or Elizabeth Moses Isaac? No!

What u mostly hear is James Wellington, Anita Baker, Williams Stonewall, Cynthia Bradford-Bill, George Walker Bush, John McCain, Lindsay Lohan, Bruce Willis. Now tell me how many of these names are Bible/christian names.

It seems like u dont even know the difference between Christian bible names and native western names o.
If my name is Williams or Edward for instance, will u call it a christian/bible name?? Abeg o, dont disgrace yourself here o.

VomeSchakleton:
some hausas and fulas still very much bear their names albeit a minority they exist. also, hausas usually use their locality as their surname, thats just to show you they are proud of where they came from. i also have a hausa name, i may not use it oficially but i do. theres no shame in bearing arabic names to me though, they are just names and i'm proud to be a muslim.
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There is every shame in completely loosing your ancestral cultural elements especially one so important as names.

Look at even some middle eastern, South asian and central asian tribes like the Persians, Turkish speaking tribes and Indo-Iranian speaking tribes. These are groups who have received islam hundreds of years before hausas smelt islam, yet u still find many of them retaining and proudly answering their distinct tribal names, even more than the hausas. What a disgrace!
The closest/sister/neighbouring tribes of the arabs are not even trying to be arabized unlike the way the hausas who are millions of kilometres away are trying to be arabized.


A hausa man whose grandfather came to sell Aya (hausa groundut), gworo (kola nut) or Rake (sugarcane) in Jos, will now decide to answer ALHAJI ISMAILA JOS, and u call that being proud of ur origin??
Kai, hausa people will never cease to amuse me.
They confuse themselves to the extent that they now answer names of multiple towns.
Alhaji Ismaila Jos will now migrate to Lokoja in Kogi state, his son will now choose to answer ALHAJI ABDURRAHMAN JOS LOKOJA........LoL. you will see HAJIYA HAFSAT GOMBE MAIDUGURI or MALLAM ABUBAKAR SOKOTO KADUNA.

I sometimes weep for these people how religious confusion and islamic conquest has destroyed their original identity in life. Its just a pity.


Even the fulanis who conquered the hausas, so many of them still answer their tribal names .i.e the pure fulanis in the north east.
See the likes of Bamanga Tukur, he doesnt even have an islamic name. Murtala Nyako, Aisha Modibbo, Atiku Abubakar. U hardly see Adamawa fulanis without tribal surnames or firstnames

Kai, nothing can be as bad as conquest. I thank God that my own people were never conquered by any idiot o.

VomeSchakleton:
This is quite funny. we all know why your ancestors are acquainted with those names and it has nothing to do with religion.


and i noticed you middlebeltans love to bear hausa name even more than we hausas, names from godiya to names as daft as 'wahala'. although these names werent your fault, there was nothing you could do about them.
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Well, different parts of the middlebelt had different influences from the core-north. I speak for my own place Jos-Plateau, our ancestors were never conquered by hausa fulanis or any bloody jihadists and it is on record and even our oral traditions too, how many of our tribes succesfully defeated Danfodio and his men.

I know my culture very well and the origin of my people. Bauchi tribes and Plateau tribes in the past used to be very very close. We had similar cultures, origin and lifestyle, and we traded together but along the line, most Bauchi tribes accepted islam, some bauchi tribes were conquered by fulanis and islamized while other bauchi tribes were the ones who islamized themselves, like the Bauchi emirate ruled by Gerawa tribe. The founder of Bauchi emirate was said to be a gerawa man who became one of Danfodio's men and he took islamic religion and conquest back to his home in Bauchi.
Our people (plateau tribes) due to closeness and brotherliness with Bauchi people started copying these bauchi tribes in some things and this was how foreign names and a fair knowledge of islam started coming in before the missionaries later came.

Secondly also, the promotion of the use of hausa bible for middlebelt christian tribes by the colonial masters was also another area that promoted the use of the hausa bible names and also promoted hausa speaking among our people who started becoming christians.
Otherwise, the Bible was first translated into Angas language in the north, before it was rejected and d hausa bible promoted.

The colonial masters were always interested in the unification of the north and oneness of their pretocterates.

As for southern Kaduna people, i think they answer hausa names more than any group of middlebelters and the reason for this is not far fetched because they were ruled by Zaria emirate for a longtime, not that they were conquered by hausa-fulanis, but they were victims of the british indirect rule and oneness of the northern region. That is why its only in southern kaduna u mostly find names like Maigoro, Danzaria, Yakowa (pure hausa names) as their surnames. U hardly find such names among Plateau, Nasarawa people.
Even in the southern kaduna, there are some tribes whom the british could not classify under zaria rule. Tribes like Jaba, Kagoro e.t.c, because the british people noted that whenever they sent hausa district heads from Zaria to Jaba, the natives instantly killed them. So the british were forced to allow Jaba people independent of zaria rule.

So my brother, dont just sit down in Katsina or Jigawa state and conclude that u know anything about middlebelt/northern minority groups or conclude that u know the way hausa names or hausa language spread through the region, because u don't. Only historians like us from the region know it. Wannan ba magana mallam yace ba.

Kogi & Benue tribes, non of them were conquered by jihad, infact so many jihadists were buried in igala land and there is a place named after it, but yet about half of igalas are muslims today and they only copied islam later on from Nupe and hausa traders. That is why u can hardly see then answer native hausa names. Infact some of them answered igbo names because some of them were classified under Onitsha province during the colonial period.

Middlebelt people are not one tribe. So never u think u can generalize on any event pertaining to the region.

So when i tell u that my surname came through fair contact of islam from Bauchi by my forefathers, i know what am telling u. It is not a hausa name but an islamic name (not related to hausa bible) because by this time, christianity has not reached Plateau.

My mother's name is Hannatu, and this one came through hausa bible.

But like me now, i only have a Bible name and my native name which i proudly answer and dont hide like u do. All those islamic origin and hausa names are dying in the middlebelt.
Even the hausa bible names like Yohanna, Bitrus, Bulus, Irmiya (unique to christians) are also dying, because our people are now using english bibles and our own native language bibles increasingly.

VomeSchakleton:
LOOOL! see i dont want to blatantly insult you but sometimes you make it easy for me. the kaftan is a long robe, do you think its that hard to come up with? dont get me wrong, im not denying inspiration but the hausa kaftan is unique, go all over the world and show me a kaftan that resembles that of the hausa. pakistanis wear kaftan too, is it anything like that of hausa kaftan? when i hinted at signs of ignorance i didnt expect you to be this ignorant.

See, lets not deceive ourselves here because the whole world is connected to this site through the very best search engines.
What is the indigenous hausa name for kaftan, or the hausa variety of kaftan, since u say the hausas developed their own kinds of kaftans.
The name kaftan is not an indigenous hausa name. Only borrowed elements usually come with foreign names. So pls tell us

VomeSchakleton:
lol! the fact that youve resorted to throwing insults means you have nothing to offer. did i not mention religion? did i not give an example with the word you mentioned for prayer which i told you was a new concept due to religion? Islam has had influence in hausa language, so have some arabs, like Al Maghili who contributed to building the Hausa systems in kano and katsina in the 15th century. there have been history of arabs in hausa land, does that not leave room if not for cultural but atleast language assimilation? why do you think hausa is so organized?

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Well, if u should know, u started using the insutive words first by caling me ignorant, but i never directly called u any names or threw insults directly at your personality.
I guess we can see who started it.

Hausa land was organized and structured mostly due to fulani religious conquest and unification and not any arab migrants. So u people need to thank your fulbe masters for that.

VomeSchakleton:
LOOOOOOL! So just because the majority of people in a place that means there not indigenous to a place? do you know how many ethnicities there are in Nigeria? Zarmawas have been part of hausaland long before Nigeria was formed, so have touaregs and many other sahelian ethnicities. hausa states have always been a mixture of ethnicities, so just because some guy decides there arent enough of them makes them any less nigerian is pretty stuupid or perhaps daft.

So, going by your definition, we can now conclude that touaregs are now indigenes of Nigeria too? LoL

You dont seem to know the definition of indigenes/aborigines of a place with a well cultural defined identity, so i dont think i should argue this with you any further.
Go to Niger republic, around the Niamey area, u find real zarma villages, zarma kings and district heads, well defined zarma cultural territory, zarma towns, cultural sites e.t.c

I have discovered that most hausa fulanis dont understand what it means to be an indigene of a place, that is why a hausa man whom his father or grandfather came to settle in Jos seling gworo will tell u that he is an indigene of Jos. A hausa man will tell u dat he is an indigene of Benue, Southern kaduna e.t.c.
Pure daylight madness.

Every ethnicity in Nigeria has a well defined cultural territory and boundaries.
Maybe u are mistaking the definition of indigeneship and citizenship.
That was the way hausa-fulanis were running their mouths all over Jos claiming that they are indigenes of Jos, until it was settled in the supreme court and the hausas were told plain blank that they can only qualify for CITIZENS of Jos but never as INDIGENES of Jos.

'I am a hausa man who claims to be proud and retain my ancestral cultures, yet my name is ABDUL-MUTALIB MUSTAPHA SHEHU USMAN, the son of SHEHU USMAN ABDUL AZEEZ AL-HASSAN.....

There cannot be a better self delusion than this.

U know the funny thing? My own surname is of islamic/arabic origin because my forefathers were fairly oriented with islam before the christian missionaries came.
Some hausa people will tell me that i am answering a hausa name and i ask them one simple question, what does the name mean in your native hausa language, then they become mute.
Hausas have become so brainwashed with religion that some of them will tell u that names like Lawal, Husseini, Rasheeda, Umaru e.t.c are hausa names.

One of the greatest ways to show how proud u are of your ancestral culture and how much u have retained your ancestral cultures is through your tribal names.

Imagin my name is EDMOND LIONEL WELLINGTON and i will come out to the world and say that i am a proud Chinese man and am very proud and even brag that my people have retained their cultures the most when we all answer foreign names... . Its like a mad man who doesnt know that he is mad.

Hausa-fulanis go and answer your tribal names! You cannot be more islamic or arabized than the arabs!

VomeSchakleton:
Actually zarmawas are not the so called fulanin daji. in fact zarmawas have nothing to do with fulani. what is nigeria, what is niger? can you say the original home of hausas in niger is nigeria? these regions used to be under the same state until the white men decided to carve them up how they pleased. if this is what tests ignorance i'm sorry you failed.


your hausa is very laughable btw, needs work.

It is one thing to disprove a statement and it is another thing to prove yours with facts. I tot that u will start bombarding me with facts as soon as u have disproved mine.

To start with, pls list all the villages, local government areas, linguistic territories, local districts and senatorial districts (if any), and emirates which are dominated or owned by Zarmas in Nigeria.
I want to see a list of the local government areas which make up Zarma ancestral homeland and linguistical territories in Nigeria. I want to see their traditional rulers, district heads and so on. Thank u.
If u fail to list all these, then u are only proving your daftness for the world to see.

Hausa ancestral homeland cuts across both Niger and Nigeria and that is not in question. Kanuri homeland cuts across Nigeria, Niger & Chad, and that is not in question.

Yes, my hausa may be laughable, but as long as u can still understand it. There r different hausa dialects and all are not expected to be the same.
Ebonyi state igbo dialect sounds very funny to those in Imo state just as Ondo yoruba dialects sound very funny to Oyo state speakers.

The kind of hausa i speak is what majority of northern/middlebelt nigeria speaks (2nd language hausa speakers). From Niger state down to Adamawa, Borno, Yobe, Gombe, Taraba, Southern kaduna e t.c

VomeSchakleton:
the concept of such prayer is new to the hausas and not present in their earlier religion. so what do you do with something new of which you dont know the name? you use the name people call it. thats why for instance theres no partocular name for a television in any language. even english sometimes uses latin or greek to formulate knew words. and youre wrong, a lot of hausas still use ubangiji, like in the phrase 'ubangiji ka taimake mu" or other phrases.




so substituting some words means substituting culture? even yorubas use some hausa words in their language? lol! you my friend dont know what culture is.

And well, the kaftan and baban riga is our ancestral clothing, because the boubou is the dressing of most sahelian ethnicities, but yet the boubou of a hausa man is completely different from someone from mali. the art and everything, so our version of the kaftan is our ancestral wear, if you disagree then whose is it? the indigo dyed turban the sahel came to be known by was manufactured by hausas? so what do you mean by substituting culture?? i'm sorry but you need to hide your face in shame not us, you and everyone else trying to associate with a culture thats not his.







See this just further explains your ignorance.

When u substitute your culture or your language changes because of religious influences. Then u are loosing your culture or your culture is being replaced.

Yes, yorubas borrow words from hausas, and that is cultural diffusion. If hausas borrow words from kanuri language, that is also a part of cultural/language diffusion.

Hausas do not share boundary whatsoever with Arabs. 'Allah' has always been d ancestral name for 'God' in arabic.
Explain to us how the arabs and hausas shared their cultural diffusions and tell us the links, since u are shallow enough to bring yoruba/hausa cultural diffusion analogy into the equation with hausa/arab influences.

Only a fool that will argue the fact that the influences of Arabic on hausa language came through the koran/islam and not cultural diffusion.


Go and search on the original origins of the kaftan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaftan

Yes, kaftan (clothing) as a part of culture can be diffused and shared, but the best way to ascertain the origin of a culture is to check for the earliest groups of people and genuine facts and artifacts to show that they use it.

The mesopitamians had been said to have been wearing kaftans since thousands of years ago. Is hausa identity up to 2 thousand years? (to start with)

Fulaman198:
You seem to be a pretty intelligent fellow and I understand where you are coming from. You are right there are about 100 - 150 Afro-Asiatic languages between Nigeria, Cameroon and Chad.

Aren't there Nigerians that say Hallelujah? Or stuff like that? What does that have to do with Nigeria? My point is that Hausa culture is still quite different from Arab culture. Remember, there are Christian Arabs as well. Does that make them less Arab?

All these monotheistic religions are from the middle east anyways. Overall, the Hausa are the least westernised. Hausa music has no outside influence where there are Nigerians selling out each day like wannabes singing in either Pidgin or English. Completely showing total disregard for their respective cultures and selling out to the west. What kind of rubbish is that? If your children can't speak their native tongue, how can they be proud to claim Nigerian let alone African.

LoL, christians say 'Hallelujah', but it is not part of the linguistical vocabulary of any tribe in Nigeria unlike the way Allah has automatically become part of the hausa vocabulary.

Even though we r now singing in English or Pidgin, it does not necesarily mean that there r no native language musicians in the south or middlebelt region.

Hausa-fulanis sing islamic musics, they also sing their own cultural music. They also sing secular musics too. Secular music may not be necesarily hip hop or RnB. As long as any music is not Godly/religious and is not purely cultural, then it is secular even though it maybe sung in a native dialect

I cant believe that these kind of useless cultures are still practiced in Nigeria in this modern day.

Any non yoruba whom his/her relative ever becomes a victim of this nonsense should do the needful and mobilize his own people in his village and kill any yoruba person on sight.
This useless Oro festival was what caused clashes between hausas & yorubas in Shagamu in the past which lead to reprisals and killings of yorubas in Kano.

Fulaman198:
In regards to the Zarmawa, they didn't migrate. Part of Northwestern Nigeria was once a part of the Songhai empire. The Zarmawa are Songhai people with a slightly different Songhai dialect. Thus, the Songhai you see in Nigeria today are a result of the stronghold of the Songhai empire from centuries ago.

Hmm, well, u maybe correct. But as it stands, the Zarma do not have a well defined cultural territory or ancestral area in Nigeria. Their communities are within hausa land. There is no single LGA in Nigeria that is Zarma owned or zarma dominated. If there are, pls i'd like to know where they are.

Fulaman198:
You claim to know a lot about the Hausa yet you fail. Allow me to elaborate.

Hausa, just like Amharic of Ethiopia, Somali of Somalia, Tamasheq of many West and Northwest African countries, Oromo of East Africa, Ngas of Nigeria, etc etc is an Afro-Asiatic language.

Thus, it's in the same language family with Arabic so there are bound to be tons of similarities just like there are similarities with French and Spanish or Italian and Portuguese.

With that said, being fluent in the English language doesn't gauge ones level of intelligence. Far from it. In fact some of the most educated nations in the world China, Japan, South Korea, etc don't make use of the English language at all. So this mentality that speaking English correlates to ones level of intelligence needs to go.

If anything you should be proud of the Hausa for not having slave white wannabe mentality like some Nigerians have.

Personally, I'm very proud of the Hausa.

Hausa is not d only afro asiatic language in Nigeria. Infact that afro asiatic classification is just an extremely wide family of classifications
The influence of arabic on hausa came mostly through the koran and not through evolution of the languages, because such influences are non existent among most chadic speakers of Plateau, Bauchi (which am sure of), unless they copy it from hausa.
Are u telling the world that hausas now call God Allah when speaking hausa because hausa language and arabic are similar languages? LoL

U can imagine hausas that if they want to say 'please', they will say 'Don Allah, don annabi', (because of God, and because of the prophet-Muhammad), just imagine that. Which other african tribe does that? Was that the way their fore fathers said 'pls'? Or are we goin to say that since they (hausas) and arabs are "sister tribes", (LoL, as u want us to believe), then that is the reason for that? Hell no

See hausas need to hide their faces in shame for substituting an extremely large chunk of their ancestral culture with foreign ones. Just d same way hausas will claim that Babanriga and kaftan were their ancestral cultural attires. LoL


Hausas cannot be westernized because they hav already been arabized (in a way), or better to say islamized.
Islamization and westernization are two parallel lines. So they deserve no credit for succesful rejection of westernization.

As long as the sole official language of Nigeria remains English. Anyone who is not learned in the language can be considered an illiterate, nothing more nothing less. Dont compare us with korea, japan or china. Those countries do not have english as their sole official language!

Fulaman198:
Hausas have really maintained their culture more so than any other African group in Nigeria. Well Fulanis have too! This is purely Hausa, where is the Arab influence in it?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUv0X-7o4tU&

this video is in Hausa completely, it does highlight other cultures like Tamasheq and Ful6e:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WELtjFLnAlg&

How many ethnic groups besides the Hausa and many Fulani still sing completely in their native tongue? Hausa is Hausa. Many Africans are becoming Westernised and look at the Hausa. Proud to be whom they are.

Hausas are only repelling westernization better than any Nigerian group because of their high islamic fanatism. This is why their region is the most illiterate in English language in Nigeria, they also have the largest popuation of poor people and beggars.

Tell us why hausas mostly cal God Allah (an arabic name) while speaking hausa than calling God Ubangiji (in their own hausa language)?

Why are 95% of hausas no longer answering their tribal names? U only see names like Fatima Mohammed Abdullahi or Ibrahim Shehu Yusuf. Where is the love for culture or cultural value in that?

The ruling system of hausa land is based on religion, islam. Was islam their ancestral culture? This means dat a hausa christian can never smell leadership position in hausa land. Where is the cultural bond and oneness dat defies religious boundaries?

Why is it only hausas who call christians Arne or kafiri (infidels) in Nigeria even in public?

See, so many words in hausa language are of arabic origin. Words like prayer (addu'a) and so many more for me to start listing here.

Whatever hausas are parading today as their culture is only a typically reformed one, an arabized one, no matter how cultural it may look it is nonsense. That is why hausas and hausanized fulanis are very different from other Nigerian muslims.

VomeSchakleton:
ooh stop this poppycock. it has nothing to do with purity, lord knows im not pure but thats what i choose to identify myself with. because i understand you can either be one or the other but not both. This is the way it should be. stick to your own. these people you speak of are illiterates, because they try to blend in with whichever crowd theyre in, i have this friend whose surname is gambari, he actually tells us he's hausa but he speaks yoruba and hausa fluently yet amongst yorubas he doesnt call himself yoruba. maybe he does, i dont know but thats just the hypocrisy i speak of. if youre hausa and you choose to be something else thats your Goddamn busines, but if youre not hausa and try to call yourself or identify as hausa, thats where were gonna have a problem.

My brother, sometimes communities may have dual identities and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Go to northern african countries like Morocco & Algeria, many arabized berbers both claim an arab identity and sometimes a berber identity.

Even in southern Nigeria. Rivers state for example, do u know that there are some communities in Rivers state that claim they are ethnically ijaws but linguistically they are igbos?
Most indigenes of Opobo and Bonny LGA in Rivers state speak igbo as their mother's tongue but some of them will tell u that they are ijaws.....even in Ondo state, u now have yorubanized ijaws, some who claim yoruba and some claim ijaw.
Hausa land is not d only example of this, only that hausaland is more pronounced.

Fulaman198:
Your stats are way off and incorrect

Prove they are. Or do u want me to breakdown the ethnic composition of the LGAs fulanis dominate in each of these states?
Taraba & Gombe are sparsely populated states compared to most other states in northern Nigeria. Adamawa & Bauchi are quite populous.

Fulaman198:
Plateau/Kaduna is viewed as Arewa by some and middle-belt by others, it's controversial. However, Being from the North doesn't necessarily make someone very knowing of the North. I bet you don't know anything about the Zarmanci for example, am I right?

Why wont i know Zarma? Basu ne buzu? Fulani daji?
They r found mostly in Sokoto, kebbi axis in Nigeria although majority of them in Nigeria are settlers, their original home is Niger republic and extreme northern Benin republic.
Not all people are ignorant pls. U may be amazed that i may know the ethnic classifications of Africa and even the world more than u.

Fulaman198:
There are 11 - 12 million Fulfulde Fulani speakers in the North East. Just an FYI.

This figure is highly doubtable pls.
Adamawa, Gombe, Taraba & Bauchi are the only states in the Northeast where fulanis can claim above 10% of the state's population. In Borno & Yobe, they maybe only abt 5% or even less.

In Adamawa, fulanis are like 20-25% of the state.
In Gombe, fulanis are like 35% of the state
While in Bauchi and Taraba, they are like 15-20% each

Considering the individual population of these states according to 2006 census and trying to ascertain the migration rates of the people of the various states. Fulani indigenes of Adamawa, Gombe & Bauchi can be up to 1-1.5million indigenes each. While that of Taraba should be abt 500,000-700,000.

I know most parts of the Northeast very well. I know Taraba, Adamwa, Gombe almost in and out. Where do u get the belief that pure fulanis in northeast are up to 11 million? Impossible. The northeast is the most sparsely populated geo-political zone in Nigeria.

Between the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo, who is actually superior in yoruba land??

Fulaman198:
We Fulani (Fulbe) or Fellata in Arabic that speak both Fulfulde and Hausa consider the Fulanis in the Northwest as mainly Hausa. They call themselves Hausa-Fulani, but I just call them Hausa. They don't have any element of Pulaaku.

Are u sure they dont have any elements of pulaaku?
What about their looks??

VomeSchakleton:
The president also doesn't speak Fulfulde but to me l, all fulanis, including the so called Hausanised fulanis are the same to me. Doesn't matter to me because to me you can't be hausa if your ancestors weren't, because Hausa is an ethnicity, not a culture. Someone calling them hausa just because they don't speak Fulfulde to me is far fetched and baseless. They are NOT hausas.

Yes their ancestors were not hausas, but today they have become hausas by absorption.

Hope u know that many hausa-fulanis were also absorbed by some middlebelt tribes?
Many Nupes today have fulani and hausa ancestry especially their kings and ruling houses but today are now ethnically and linguistically Nupes and have accepted their nupenization. Even in Ilorin, many descendants of hausas n fulanis there have been yorubanized and proudly claim yoruba as their ethnicity.
There is an igala town in Kogi state called Angwa and the founders of that town were hausa-fulani traders, but those people have become igalanized even though they are fully aware of their hausa-fulani origin.

I have seen some hausanized fulanis who sometimes claim hausa and later claim fulani. Hence many of these mixed ppl even prefer the term hausa-fulani.
Pure hausas like u are the only ones who are banging their heads and differentiating who is hausa or who is fulani.

Fulaman198:
Completely untrue, who is this most?

Fulanis in the Taraba, Gombe, Adamawa regions are 100% Fulani and speak Fulfulde as our main language, from Jalingo to Yola and even in Bauchi you will find Fulfulde speakers.

Haha my brother. So u think the handful of pure fulanis from North-east (Taraba, Gombe, Adamawa n Bauchi) can outnumber or challenge the population of fulanis or people with fulani ancestry/hausanized fulanis from other parts of the country? Then u are joking o.

Pure fulanis from Northeast cannot number more than 6 million o, at most 7 million, but those in Northwest and northcentral who have been hausanized are not less than 15-20 million.
See, the most reasonable fulanis who have come out of Nigeria are hausanized fulanis e.g the current President of Nigeria and 2 other past presidents. See abeg, no need for comparison o. Hausanized fulanis outnumber pure fulanis by far.

Even many fulanis from Gombe/Bauchi axis are beginning to loose their language and culture by the day and are becoming hausanized. Only those in Adamawa/Taraba seem very safe

glossy6:
The northern Muslims don't see the western Muslims as true Muslims and thus unacceptable.

A northern Muslim will kill a child that converts to Christianity while a Yoruba Muslim will not. A Yoruba couple will practice different religions while it is a haram for the northern mallam

The Yoruba Muslims interchange religions at will because it is not A do or die affair to them while the northern Muslims see it as a ticket to aljana.

The more reasons they have two separate days for both northern and Yoruba Muslims to celebrate Muslims festivals separately

Don't ask me how I got to know

Thank u my sister. Another question for u to answer @VomeSchakleton

VomeSchakleton:
What differentiates maguzawas from Hausas is religion, not culture. There's a difference between religion and culture. I don't know the hausas you've been speaking to but the hausas I know accept them as non muslim hausas, they're actually celebrated in most places. What I've noticed with you josites is some of you seem to hate the hausas more than southerners. Why is This? You are yet to tell me what aspect of Hausa culture had been replaced by Islam, how is that possible. Is it marriage? Way of life? Festivals? What?

Fulaman198:
Most people who are not from Arewa know nothing about Hausa culture. They just assume that if you are Muslim that you have replaced elements of your culture with Arab culture, yet Hausa culture and Arab culture are completely different. Just like Fulani culture is completely different from Arab and Hausa culture. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Religion is a but a small subset of culture. There are many elements that define culture. Religion is but one element.

There are Fulani Christians in Sierra Leone and Burkina Faso, however they still speak Fluent Fulfulde. They are also a minority of Fulani. Does that make them less Fulani because they are Christian? This isn't directed at you btw, but at Nowenuse and some others on here.

Ok, i am from the Plateau/Kaduna. Do u define me as part of ur arewa or not?
Since u say most people who are not from arewa dont know about hausa culture.

Fulaman198:
There is racism in every religion. I don't deny anything, but Christianity is by far the MOST racist.

Sure, Islam does have racism. Arabs thinking that they are superior to Africans which they are not. But Christianity was used as a tool to enslave, colonise and brainwash blacks worldwide. Nothing against Christianity, but that's just the truth. I've seen many movies where black slaves suffered in the Americas and were forced-fed Christianity.

Human beings as aforementioned are huge hypocrites. The majority of them definitely are. Religion does not make someone a good person.

Thank God u acknowledged the true fact. Unlike some deceptive and silly muslims who will argue sth like this thinking that all christians are fools.

Yes i agree with u that there was racism in christianity but that has died off i tell u.
Today go to the UK, the seat of anglican leadership, go to USA, where most missionaries who evangelized many africans hailed from, u will find churches and not just small churches, but mega churches with black preachers and so many white followers. Infact today, among the top 10 richest men of God in the world, 5 are Nigerians and these men of God have followers all over the world including so many whites.

Now i ask u, can a black man lead arabs in islamic prayers in the middle east?

As for colonialism, the only colonial countries who used religion as a colonial tool to colonize, brainwash and discriminate people were the Iberians (spanish & portuguese) and that is why when u go to Latin America which was 90% colonized by spanish & portuguese, u find out that over 90% of these people are catholics today just like their colonial masters. Most countries in Latin america are over 90% catholics

The french and English who colonized much part of Africa did not use religion as a tool for colonialism or oppression. If they had done that, majority of Nigerians would have been Anglicans by now, but we are not.
HOpe u are aware that the Nigerian anglicans have even broke out from the headquarters in England? They accepted gay marriage over there and admonished the anglican worldwide to do likewise but we africans can never accept that, and hence the African anglican churches broke away from the leadership from England and now have no business with them.

Can black muslims ever have enough liver to take such a decision against their Arab masters??

Many muslims always argue that since we christians say there is no racism in christianity, then why has a black man never been pope?
They forget that black catholics are in a very small minority number compared to european or latin american catholics. There is no black nation in the world today that is predominantly catholic, but go to europe or latin america, many of their countries are predominantly catholics and that is why only europeans n latin americans usually produce the popes. However in spite of that black men have beome cardinals of the catholic church worldwide (the highest point of leadership rank in the cathoic church after the pope), the leaders who the pope himself directly consults for advice, these are the people who also elect the next pope a d they are also the people from which the next pope is chosen in the vatican city.

I wonder if black muslims can ever wield such positions of power in Saudi Arabia despite the fact that black muslims outnumber arab muslims. Infact, Indonesia the largest muslim country in the world and am yet to see an Indonesian muslim lead prayers in Mecca.

Protestant christianity today is largely dominated by blacks in the world.

U can never compare Christianity to Islam in terms of racism pls and pls. Christianity has undergone a lot of changes and civilization unlike islam.
So pls, if u say christianity is worse, prove it here. I am ready for u!

VomeSchakleton:
i object that hausas have replaced their culture with islamic culture. what aspect of hausa culture do you consider islamic? what aspect did we lose to islam? even the pagan religion is still practiced by some today. its always annoying when i hear people saying this.

See, the whole world knows that hausas have lost a great deal of theie ancestral culture, pls dont try to act as if u dont understand what we are talking abt here.

U can imagine that in hausa land, u have the Maguzawa people within hausa land who practice the real ancestral hausa culture and these people now have a different unique identity of their own different from the islamic hausas. Why for God's sake? The islamic hausas do not see these ppl as real hausas. These ppl are highly discriminated and treated as sub-humans.
The kingship and rulership systems of hausaland is purely based on islamic emirates, where is the hausa ancestral culture in that?

I have personally engaged some hausa muslims who argue with me that maguzawa actually migrated from the middlebelt region into hausaland and brought those pagan practices with them. U can imagine such lies and ignorance.

Hausa is the only tribe in Nigeria that has basically substituted a large part of their language for arabic and islamic words. This is sth that is not common with other Nigerian muslims. 95% of hausas answer only islamic names without tribal names. They have lost the essence of tribal names in the society
See yoruba and middlebelt muslims, u dont find this kind of lifestyle among them.

If a hausa man sees u first, the first thing he identifies u is by your religion and once u are not a muslim like him, u automatically become an arna (kafiri-infidel).
Go to yoruba or igala, ebira, nupe or other middlebelt muslims, they will never use a derogatory name on a christian.

See, i am from the middlebelt region (North central as some call it). . U are not chatting with a southerner who doesnt know anything about the north.

curi00:
Thank you for this interesting answer.
So they are hausanized fulanis just like arabized berbers of North Africa.
These groups are still 2 groups, not one. As I said before people can identity themselves with both of groups but tribes are not the same.
You can say, I have 2 cultures Hausa and Fulani but saying my culture is fulani/hausa is wrong. It's very misleading for people.

Yes, pls note that hausa and fulani are not always grouped together in Nigeria at all times. They are sometimes differentiated.
In Nigeria, politics and political classifications has also played a great role in the hausa-fulani merger identity.
Infact there are some cases where they are classified as Hausa-fulani-kanuri together, that is when u want to divide the northern part of Nigeria into two.
We have the Central parts of the north, of which i belong, a region dominated by minority groups and we also have the core-northern part of the country of which most hausa-fulanis & kanuris belong.