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IkpuMmadu:
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Is unfortunate but that is what it is .I was in Abuja the Fulani man was saying that even kogi and middle belt are not considered pure Muslim not to talk of Yoruba ..they call them almadiyya or something

The recent stampede in hajj Saudi saw that African Muslims are not even regarded in Arab world

So what are we talking here ...what we see daily

A yoruba man cannot lead or call for prayers in north or in an hausa dominated area even in Lagos

Of course u are very correct. Middlebelt (central Nigerian) muslims are not considered as true muslims by the hausas let alone yoruba muslims (southern Nigerian muslims). Name them, igala muslims, ebira muslims, nupe muslims, Alago, Bariba, Agatu, chamba, jukun muslims e.t.c are discriminated by hausas, except those middlebelt muslims who have dropped their cultures and language and are becoming hausanized.

The problem with hausas and hausanized fulanis is that they have lost their culture and replaced it with islam. So islam is like the only identity and culture they have. SO they tend to take it to the extreme.
Also, most middlebelt muslims and yoruba muslims are religiously mixed as they have a lot of christians in their tribes and their communities. So this leaves them no room for intolerance towards christianity and encourages them tribal identity and cultural oneness.

Fulaman198:
Yoruba Muslims are not inferior, and whilst there are some fellow Northerners who may think so, in the Qu'ran, in Gods' eyes we are all the same regardless of our respective beliefs. God does not see anyone differently. Whether you are rich, whether you are poor, whether you are Fulani, whether you are Yoruba, whether you are blind, whether you can see, we are all equals.

Yoruba muslims may not be inferior as u claim but to majority of hausa-fulani muslims they are inferior and u cant deny that.
Infact racial superiority is practiced all over the islamic world. It is obvious to all and i hate it when muslims usually try to deny this fact

Fulaman198:
::Facepalm:: icon.

There is no such thing as a Hausa-Fulani. You are either Hausa or Fulani. You talk about the North's ignorance, however, it's quite apparent that the South is quite ignorant as well.

Yes there is hausa-fulani because most of the fulanis in Nigeria were absorbed. Hausanized fulanis were the reason for this identity and classification.

curi00:
Hey,

I found your question kind of weird.
I dont understand why Hausa-Fulani is always put together.
Fulani have their own identity and they are in several African countries while Hausa is just in Nigeria.
I was born in France and still live there, my origins are senegalese/mauritanian (sorry for my bad english) and before surfing on web, I've never heard about Hausa.
From what I learnt, many Fulani and Hausa did intermarry with each others, both are muslims and live on northern Nigeria but there is nothing special about that because I can say the same thing for Serer-Fulani in Senegal, Fulani-Malinke in Guinea, etc...but they are not seen as one group.

Anytime you're asked, which tribe you are from, most of time you just say your father tribe even if your mother is from another tribe but I've seen many nigerians saying hausa-fulani as it is one group.

Here are my questions, do all Nigerians see Hausa-Fulani as one tribe ?
Are they aware this "new identity" is only limited to Nigeria because outside Fulani are completly their own group even if they did intermarry with others tribes ?

Thank you for your answers

My friend. As a Nigerian, from the central part of the country. I'd tell u that there is one reason why hausas and fulanis are usually classified together as one. There is a reason for it and whosoever will tell u that there is no reasonable or justifiable reason for this is lying to u.

Fulanis in Nigeria actually do not have their own defined homeland. They came much later to Nigeria and their settlements thrived on islamic conquest.
The larger population of fulanis settled in Hausa land and took over power in hausa land by the islamic jihad launched by Danfodio which he claimed he wanted to purify the corrupt kind of islam the hausas were practicing then.
As time went by, the hausas gradually linguistically and culturally absorbed most of the fulanis in their midst. This is where that unity, oneness and joint identity came from because majority of the fulanis in Nigeria now became linguistically and cuturally hausas.

Although we have some other fulanis in Nigeria who did not settle in Hausa land, rather they settled to the south eastern parts of hausaland where u have a lot of minority groups. They conquered and displaced some of these minority groups and founded large emirates and towns in these places. These are the fulanis of northern nigeria who managed to retain their identity, culture and language of which FULAMAN is one of them. These fulanis are mostly under the North-eastern part of the Nigeria and they are fewer compared to the hausanized fulanis in the North-western part of Nigeria.

So i now believe u get the reason for the identity HAUSA-FULANIS in Nigeria?
Majority of d fulanis in Nigeria were hausanized, and their population was too large to just be ignored and brand all of them as hausas. Also, the hausanized fulanis considered it a prestige to retain their identity somehow even though they lost their language n culture because of the influence they have all over northern Nigeria as rulers of most emirates and the sultanate.

efizee:
Northerners looting Nigeria dry since time immemorial... Hausa thieves.

See your ignorance?
Mohammed Indimi and his son Jibrilla are not hausas. They are Kanuris.

abdulkayus:
I have been reading ur comments since and kinda suprise with it bt this one just show how shallow u are. Are u a Nigeria at all? So u don't know that there are millions of Christians in the north. While some are few percentage of Christians, some can be 50 50 and in some, there are more Christians than Muslims. The only states in the north that has few indigenous Christians are Kano, sokoto, Zamfara, Jigawa and Katsina. States like Kaduna, Borno (yes, borno), Adamawa, Bauchi, Gombe, Nassarawa, Taraba and plateau high numbers of christians. It former governor of Kaduna Ibrahim Yakowa not a christian? Speaker Yakubu dogara, Ice prince, Jesse Jags, Classic, MI, Audu Maikori, Celestine Babayaro, Boni Haruna, TY Danjuma, Musa Danjuma, Jonah Jang, Jeremiah Useni, etc, are they not all Christians? Gal, u need exposure.

Pls differentiate Hausa christians and northern christians.
Christians from Borno, Kaduna, Plateau, Taraba, Adamawa, Gombe e.t.c are not hausa christians. We are not ethnically hausas even though we understand hausa language.

Real ethnic hausa christians are very few and are found in kano, katsina, Zaria, Jigawa e.t.c
Most of those people u mentioned are not ethnic hausas, but i may understand u.
Most southnerns classify us as hausas.

refiner:
buh its desame tin....re dey nt all Muslims

Yes, but they are not the same tribe just as Igbo & ijaw are not the same tribes. So its still an inter-ethnic marriage, because u asked ''why is it that hausas dont marry outside their tribes?''
So its better u had asked ''why is it that hausas dont marry outside their religion''.

Personally will u be able to marry outside your religion?
Apart from yorubas, most southernerns do not marry outside their religion. So its a general problem.
Nigerians are very religious people on average.

refiner:
sweet couples.....buh y is it Hausa's hardly marry from oder tribes....as for me I will lov to marry from anoder tribe...love it

They are not the same tribes my dear.
Jibrilla Indimi is a Kanuri by tribe from Borno, while the lady is a Hausa from Kaduna.

Igbos are double-mouthed people and that is why they will never get their Biafra.
U people always claim that SS and SE are one and were only divided by the creation of South-south, yet u are now denying the Deltans that they are not igbos.
Yes i know that warri indigenes are not igbos, but other Delta indigenes are igbos. So, since u people claim they (Delta state) are Biafrans, they are now same people with u, so share in their crimes and defend them, just the same way u want them to share their oil and your Biafra with u. Its simple sense.

Boko haram is not operating in hausa land and most of its members are not hausas or fulanis, they are mostly Kanuri people. But u will never hear the Hausas denying and dissociating from the Kanuris. This is why the North is more united irrespective of their ethnic diversities.

Foolish igbos. Foolish southernerns.

Chinaimporter:
[size=13pt]Another emirate in kwara state?? and a full blooded Yoruba man proudly dressing like a fulani emir in the land of his ancestors
please i want to honestly ask yoruba people if they have accepted fulani supremacy and overlordship in illorin?
Please are there more fulanis in illorin than yorubas?
Which religion is predominant in kwara state?
Is saraki family yorubas or fulanis?

i really want to know because i love nigeria and dont want anybody to dominate the other

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Kwara state is like 60% muslim and 40% christian. Only the southern part is christian dominated. The northern and central parts (Ilorin) of kwara are muslim dominated.

The Saraki family are yorubanized fulanis. Yoruba speaking people of fulani ancestry.
SARAKI is a corrupted (yorubanized) form of the word SARKI which means king in hausa

Ilorin is yoruba speaking but many of the so called yorubas there are of fulani, hausa and nupe ancestry and they still maintain their non-yoruba cultures.
The definition of ethnicity in Ilorin is quite unclear.
Ilorin people are suffering identity crisis just like Anioma people of delta state, some will say they are igbos, some will say they are not, while some are neutral and dont care. Exactly the case in the 5 LGAs that make up Ilorin emirate.

badonkadonk:
I beg to differ... From the op's assertions.. Tsaragi is a nupe speaking district in yoruba dominated share town... Thus the nupe's are the guests ere.

The dispute started as a result of the felling of trees on share land.. Technically speaking the yoruba have every right to do that.. Since it's their land and the nupe's are just guests on it..

Back in the day.. History has it that the nupe's were migrants from Niger state and it's environs... Who sought for a piece of land to start their own community.. Which the Oba of that district granted albeit to certain laid down rules and regulations..

It's a shame that this present nupe people have forgotten history so fast, that they think it's their birth right to lay claim to a land that is not even theirs in the first place...

Not taking sides.. Just stating things as it is.. Kwara is a yoruba state.. How would u feel if a tenant of yours tells u, u can't do as u wish in your own compound..?

That been said.. I would opine that there are more civilized way of doing things.. There could have been a discussion between the two different tribe leaders on the felling of the trees in question and an amicable agreement reached..

Only a fool will call Kwara a yoruba state. Kwara is a multi ethnic state with yorubas, Nupes, Bariba, Bussawa, Bokobaru and fulanis.
Even though the yorubas have the largest population in the state, the other tribes there are still very well represented. Kwara north for instance is entirely non yoruba.
Yorubas are just like 60% of Kwara state population

Ikwerre guys are very social and fun to be with compared to the rest igbos who are too money conscious. They love chiling and hanging out
IKwerres are free and liberal people, only that they dont play with land and landord issue.

onila:
"Kele Kabaka Momoh
4 hrs
Ok !!! Today I missed a job from one of our very own oil and gas companies for some very funny yet silly excuse... Hmmmm the excuses being I'm not Yoruba , Hausa or a middle belter. Another question asked was 'do you know any top government official or community heads? And i replied NO. I respectfully asked the man in charge 'sir may i see the score for the IQ test that was conducted?' He said sure! He brought out my sheet and guess what? I had 97%...97% ? And I still need a so called recommendation or identification? Quickly I thought of a smart move next thing I said was ' sir, but I'm married to a Kogi man oh' he quickly replied ' really? Do u have an LGA identification letter to prove that? ' I said No and he sighed and said ' I'm sorry Madam my hands are tired here, your score sheet is great but there's nothing I can do, maybe some other time ' and I honorably took a bow and exclaimed 'MY COUNTRY, MY COUNTRY'"

this shows middle belt pple r loved by the hausas

Whatever love the hausas show the middlebelters is circumstantial love. For instance a hausa man will always prefer a middlebelter to a southerner if he is to favour either (unless maybe the southerner is a strong muslim and the middlebelter is a christian because hausas value religion more than anything else). ....But when it comes to a matter of preference between a fellow core northerner and a middlebelter, they will not even look at the middlebelters face especially when the middlebelter in question is a christian.

How can the same hausas claim to love the middlebelters when tomorrow if religious crisis start, they will attack and kill both middlebelt christians and even middlebelt muslims who they see as fake muslims?

Kaduna has also produced people like Dija, Skales, Praiz e.t.c

Jos comes immediately after Lagos pls op

Funny culture.

Nigerians should really stop this character of using the religion of politicians to judge religious majority or minority of a place.
The habit in itself encourages religious politics especially in areas where the people are mixed.

Take a place like Nasarawa state for instance, they have never produced a Christian governor but christians have the slight majority in the state. And only someone who understands the political nature of Nasarawa state would be able to explain the reason for this.

The same thing with Kaduna & Adamawa states. Both states are around 50/50 or christians are even more in Adamawa, but muslims have produced more governors

SeverusSnape:
Then why is it that all their governors till date are muslims?... Are there no Igala Christian politicians?... From Abubakar Audu to Ibrahim Idris to Idris Wada. All Muslims!

All their senators (Kogi east senators) have been Christians as well.
Stephen Achema an igala christian would have been the governor of Kogi if not that he died.

Igalas are not a people who think religiously. U can never use religion to divide them just like yorubas. Any igala candidate that comes out, muslim or christian is supported by all equally.

Lagos state has produced more muslim governors. Does that make Lagos a muslim dominated state?

SeverusSnape:
Go and find out, Most Igalas are muslims. There are Christians amongst them, But the Muslim population surpasses.

You dont know what u are saying.
Igala christians are more than the muslims.

SpicyJosBabe:
I am from Mangu LGA but my mother is from Niger state

Wow! am from Mangu LGA too dear.
let me pm u

adamskutty:
Nowenuse i give up ooo! But dont speak for my state. In my l.g.a we are 80 percent muslims.
Lmao! U said i fled? Oh my goodness. Me? Fled? Which thread was that? This is a big joke, i have never had any encounter with any christain igala in this forum.
As an indigene of kogi state, i am in the best possible position to make the record straight in kogi. I hereby say muslims are the majority in kogi state. Period!

*modified*

That thread was beauty of middlebelt women i think.

Well dont use your LGA alone to judge the religious percentage of Kogi.
Some places in Kogi west and even Kogi east are up to 90% christian. Infact places like Ibaji & Olamaboro should be up to 95% christian

Until we have a credible census in Nigeria which includes tribe and religion, we can never tell who is more than who i think

SpicyJosBabe:
First of all i dont know why u say middlebelt people dont migrate. Probably because we are not noise makers wherever we go.

I left Jos to school in Nsukka, Enugu state and now am currently in Port harcourt with my Aunt and her family.

Basically middlebelters are like half breeds between the Core-north and the South. So, we really cannot claim bond to one side over the other. But from my view i think middlebelt was supposed to lean more towards the south but the British in connivance with the Hausa-fulani emirates ensured that they lumped us together with them under one false massive Northern region and that was how they encouraged the making of hausa a language of inter communication among many of us.

Some middlebelters were conquered by Fulanis in Usman Danfodio jihad and became muslims and these type will always feel they are closer to hausas. Those of us who speak hausa as a second language also tend to have this disposition towards the Core north, only that the hausas are religious fanatics and soon we started having problems with them since most of us were christians.

I as a Jos lady i can never prefer a hausa man to a southerner. CAPITAL NO. because the hausas taught us that religious bond is more important than language, cultural or regional bond.

Perfect explanation my sister. which part of Plateau are u from?

adamskutty:
Spicyjosbabe, lool! So u are telling me my state, kogi is 50% on both side? Nah! U are wrong. It is actually 65/35. It is funny when u say i shouldn't use the governors to judge, it is expected that the state with a higher muslim population will likely vote a muslim in. That alone explains everything.

My friend Kogi is not muslim dominated.
Its either Christians are more or it is a 50/50.

I have engaged u in a thread on middlebelt before where u claimed that igalas are predominantly muslims, until ur fellow igala christians came in and bombarded u and u fled.

Only Ebiras are predominantly muslims in Kogi state. U cannot use the position of governorship to judge religious majority especially in the middlebelt and yoruba land.
In Plateau state, my senatorial district that is overwhemingly christian elected a muslim senator from 1999-2007 who was our deputy senate president, which means muslims have spent 8 out of the 16 years of democratic rule in that district. Can that now make us to conclude that Plateau central my zone is 50/50? hell NO!!

Igalas are either 50/50 or christians are more. Go to LGAs in Southern igala land like Ibaji, Olamaboro, Omala, these places are overwhemingly christians. U hardly even find mosques or muslims in many of their villages. It is northern igala land that is well religiously mixed. But one thing i like about igalas is that religion can never divide them at all.
See igala land has always produced Christian senators and muslim governors and still no division.
Okun people on the other hand are clearly predominantly christians, while Nupe speaking people, Bassa, Kakanda are mixed.
Only a person that does not know Kogi state can u sell the lie to that Kogi is 65% muslim. Its not true.

onila:


I thought them being christian makes them kind of southerners
but I realized middle belt people associate with Northerners than Southerners
despite the fact fulanis used them for suya in Jos all the time

My Jos friend recently called himself hausa boy

if Nigeria divides. middle belt will join the huge Muslim North and become minority christian in that nation

I believe

If Nigeria divides God forbid for we middlebelters to join hausas. We are going to agitate for the REPUBLIC OF NIGER-MIDDLEBELT

And i dont know why u people usually feel it is only d hausa- fulanis who kill us.
Fulanis only succeed on some middlebelt communities with their midnight hit-and-run tactics.
If not go and ask town hausa-fulanis what our ppl do to them during town crisis. In Jos Crisis, Kaduna crisis, Yelwa shendam 2006 massacre or Zangon kataf 1992 crisis.

There are many parts of Plateau, Southern kaduna, South Bauchi where hausa muslims cannot enter or even build a mosque, because they will be finished overnight.


Lastly i would tell u that middlebeltrs are of different orientations. We have christians and muslims.
Remeber it was Late Maj Gideon Orkar, a tiv man from Benue who planned the 1993 coup in which he wanted to cut off core north (hausa fulanis) away from Nigeria. Gideon Orkar dreamt of a country Nigeria where only Southern Nigerians and middlebelters will leave together in peace without hausas.
Can u say that such a middlebelter consider himself closer to Hausa?

Just in the same vein, Yakubu Gowon a Jos man who was born in hausa land and his family intermarried into hausas believes that middlebelters are closer to hausas and he believes in One North and fought for it in his one Nigeria concept. So we are different.

Many of us were meant to believe in the past that we were Northernerns by identity and everything about us owe to the north. Many more do not share that belief. That is just the way it is, just as many of u Niger deltans believe that u and igbos are one and some of u don't.

Me for instance my father believes that our people are closer and better related with hausa fulanis, but i myself do not. i believe our people share a more similar mentality with southernerns.

onila:


I thought them being christian makes them kind of southerners
but I realized middle belt people associate with Northerners than Southerners
despite the fact fulanis used them for suya in Jos all the time

u rarely see middle belt pple in the South
they either remain in their middle belt or move to Abuja

My Jos friend recently called himself hausa boy

if Nigeria divides. middle belt will join the huge Muslim North and become minority christian in that nation

I believe

Pls where exactly in the South do u live and u dont find a middlebelter? pls let me know the place in the south.
I am from Jos and i was born and bread in Warri, Delta state.

The thing is that middlebelt people are of different cultures and inclinations.
Ask yorubas the population of Ebiras & Nupes in yoruba land. Ask Igbos the population of Igalas & Idomas in their land.
Some Nupes & Ebiras are even indigenous to yoruba speaking state likewise some Igalas & idomas are indigenous to Igbo speaking states

Nupes (Called Tapa by d yorubas) nd ebiras share boundary with Yoruba land hence u find them more in yoruba land than the rest of us likewise igalas/idomas in Igbo land.

It is those of us middlebelters from Jos, Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa, Taraba, Niger that dont usually migrate down south, but that was in the past. Infact we really did not migrate anywhere that much compared to the way igalas, idomas, Nupes & Ebiras migrate. But now it has changed and we have started migrating in droves to the south. Go to PH, Warri, e.t.c and u find many of our people.

Infact Middlebelters started migrating to the south south before hausas & yorubas.
In Igbudu market, d largest market in warri, there is a road called Nupe road. That road was named that way due to the large population of Nupes who settled in that area trading since during the 1960's & 70's.

Look at the 3 most prominent musicians to come from Benue state, Tu face, Terry G and Blackface, all of them were Lagos brought up. How then will u say our people dont migrate?

onila:
middle belt pple dont mind being slaughtered

my Jos friend said hes a Hausa boy

Onila i am from Jos and i can never consider myself a hausa boy, GOD FORBID
We even call hausas derogatory names even referring to them as abbokis

Dont use the ignorance of ur one Jos friend to judge the entirety of Jos people.
As a Jos indigene i prefer to associate with Southernerns than hausa fulanis a thousand times .

IGBO KWENU!

The Problem with Yoruba land is that their people are not interested in the development of their individual states and communuties. All of them run to Lagos and claim origin in Lagos and let their own places rot away.

That is why u can never see any other reasonable place in the southwest apart from Lagos (which probably has that priviledge serving the capital of Nigeria in the past.)
O ma șe o.

It is very nice but i think it is kinda risky.

abduljabbar4:
Abeg dont mind the guy. 70% of kaduna indigens are Hausa. You will see wonderful things on this forum. Severussnape swore that kaduna votes will be 50-50 but we all know what happened at last

Liar.
So howcome the hausas only dominate 11-12 out of the 23 LGAs in the state? Hausas are not even up to 50% of Kaduna state but muslims are up to 50% simply because many Southern.kaduna tribes are also muslims.

IdisuleOurOwn:
So Kaduna state is only Northern Kaduna and Southern Kaduna, what about Kaduna central?

Cc :Abduljabbar4.

Kaduna central is an artificial political creation which doesn't exist in the real sense. Kajuru, Kauru and Chikun LGAs are politically part of Kaduna central and these LGAs are dominated by Gbagyi, Chawai & Adara peoples who are still classified as Southern Kaduna people.

Kaduna state is culturally divided into 2, Southern kaduna (tribes who r dominantly christians) and Northern Kaduna (Zazzagawa, hausas who are doninantly muslims).