₦airaland Forum

LegendHero:
The problem of the north is more of culture than just religion. Normally, the Hausa/Fulanis are people that have a different kind of thinking and culture which manifested in their way of practice of religion. Remember culture itself is a way of life.

They are using the hardcore part of the sunnah as their way of life and the law, they believe too much in Qadr which made them always think there is nothing in this world and they are always ready to die for their belief.

People that take religion too much to the core are prone to violence either Muslim or Christian as we have seen in earlier times during the crusades.

In USA, UK, Germany, and Nordic countries, Atheism is on the rise, infact Atheism is growing faster in these countries because they have seen that hardcore religion is toxic especially for people.

North is North while SW is SW. No matter how much you try to logically explains it, there will always be wide disparities among the two even if they practice thesame religion.

No, the problem of the north is religion. Hausas would have been a very progressive and lovely people if the fulanis (Danfodio) hadn't brought in toxic islam through the caliphate.

Hausas were already muslims before Danfodio came but they were mostly folk/liberal muslims like Yorubas are today.

Hausa culture of the old and what hausas call culture today is very very very different. Fulanis have destroyed the Hausa ethnic group.

European Christian Crusades were formed to counter the rapid spread of islam into Europe. Christianity as a religion hardly gives room for extremism which involves killings and wars unless if being pushed.

LegendHero:
Why do people keep saying the Muslims in Yorubaland are taking side with the caliphate? In terms of politics or in terms of religion? Can you please explain what you meant.

Islam first got to yorubaland in the 14th century through the Malian itinerant traders (Wangara Traders) even when the Fulanis were still in Futalajon, That is why it is called Esin Imale (religion of the Malian).

MURIC does the same thing CAN always do and that is to protect their religion and to show trait of paranoia everytime. Both groups are political group, while CAN is for PDP, MURIC is for APC.

You can’t know the Yorubas than I do, even if we are 90% / 10%, we will never degenerate to that kind of hateful religious intolerance.

Even as we are almost 50/50 in terms of religion stat, 5 of the current governors in SW are Christians and there is no noise about that. What does that tells you about the Yorubas?

I am not arguing with you about your people. I am only telling you that life is full of surprises. Though like I said in the beginning, no ethnic group of almost 50/50 can kill each other except in Indian partition.
Wait till you become 80/20 or 90/10 before you speak about it. Every feature has it's challenges. You can never comprehend some challenges unless you are there.

My ethnic group in Plateau state is almost 50/50 and we are neighbours with tribes who have chased away their muslims. We can never do such a thing to ourselves cos it is tantamount to suicide. However, I can't speak for our future.

Besides what about the recurring fracas between Yoruba muslims & traditionalists?

Omoodua007:
Nope your missing the point the numbers of oromos outside ET is less than 5% so it doesn’t matter

They are 70 30 and even if they are tolerant like Yorubas they are not plenty tribes like Yorubas and oromos

Your brother has agreed cos he saw another source and you are still arguing. Go and check other sources, you will see a 50/50.

There used to be Ethiopians here on nairaland who confirmed these things to us. I've forgotten their names, I would have tagged them here.

Ask any Ethiopian you know to confirm this!

LegendHero:
You are wrong, the reason why you are under the illusion of the increasing spread of Christianity is that among the Yorubas, some people tend to need miracles such that they go to churches and crusades even when they are still Muslims.

Religion itself shouldn’t be a subject of divide among rational minds. The main reason people are religious in Africa is because we believe prayer is sacrosanct and in as much as you can get your problem solved under any means to God, then everyone should be happy.

Infact, I can say religion in Yoruba land have been modified such that it’s practiced differently as it’s been practiced in other places. In Yorubaland, you’ll see a Muslim that have been to church and also a Christian that have been to mosque maybe for just accompanying a friend or just for sightseeing.

Infact, people from different religion intermarry a lot such that their offsprings might choose different religion.

There is no issue of majority or minority, coz it’s still dosen’t make sense to categorize people based on that.

You’re looking at the situation with a northern mindset, the Yoruba mindset is not configured that way and no one lose sleep about religious dominance.

You are quite correct about your people, however like I tell you, life is unpredictable.

Once upon a time, the north (especially the minority ethnic groups) was once a place of religious harmony where people of different religions intermarried and coexisted as one.

My mother practiced both islam & christianity simultaneously while growing up. Her immediate junior sister maintained islam while she maintained christianity later on, but today everything has changed! Nobody knew things would be like this as of then.

LegendHero:
I can’t speak for the Hausas and the history of religious killings in the North verifies your claim although middle belt is also part of the evil (Berom tribe or so)

While I can’t talk of other tribes, I’m very sure that even if the Yorubas are 90% / 10% in religious difference, we WILL never stoop so low in killing or breeding animosity against eachother.

The secret is that it is Yoruba first before religion. That is the first instinct of an average Yoruba.

For me I blame no middlebelt tribe for that. Hausas brought about the evil and the muslim minorities chose to allign with the evil.

Don't say things yorubas will do and will not do. Life is not predictable.

I'm sure if you had asked the Ottoman muslims about wiping out their christian minorities in the Armenian genocide before 1914, they would have spoken like you now, but when before their very eyes they saw their Armenian christian minorities taking sides with Russia to destroy Turkey, they embarked on the worst genocide in the 20th century after the holocaust.

Someone may say the Turkish muslims were different ethnic group from the christian ethnic groups. Later on, the same Turkey exchanged Turkish christian remnants for Greek muslims with Greece just to have a 100% muslim country.

My brother if yorubas are even 80% christian and they see the 20% muslim minority taking sides with the caliphate to bring down an Oduduwa republic, they will do the needful.

Only that Yoruba muslims are mostly folk muslims/liberal muslims, they will never do such a thing. But with a group like MURIC on the rise, people are no longer sure.

LegendHero:
Yeah, you’re right about the figures. They are actually almost 48.1% Christian and 47.6 muslims while the rest are traditional worshippers.

Really don’t know much about their conversion rate or ideology behind their equal religious population.

Thank you, from what an Ethiopian friend told me, even the Oromos in ET are now becoming majority christian gradually, just like Yorubas

In the next decades, muslims could be a small minority among them with the rates of conversions going on.

Muslims have refused to reform their religion to suit the 21st century, they should expect to loose more members. Birth rates are their only growing option.

LegendHero:
Alright I got you. Thought you said Ethiopia as a whole. I re-read and I saw that you meant an ethic tribe Oromos.

Nice one tho, it actually depicts a high level of civility for an ethnic group to learn to conquer the animosity of religious differences.

I see no reason why sane minds will fight over religion, you can disagree over issues but it shouldn’t degenerate to an extent of killing eachother in the name of religion.

Any tribe practicing that kind of barbaric attitude in this time and age should be ashamed of their identity.

I have hardly seen any ethnic group with 50/50 or 60/40 or even 70/30 religious divides killing each other except in the case of Indians during the partition of India.

But in an ethnic group with 80-90% of one religion? They see it more or less like purification. Hausa muslims treat their own Hausa christian minorities as trash & 2nd class and can kill them at the slightest provocation.

This same things happens in the middlebelt too where many tribes who are predominantly christian kill/chase away their muslim minorities because to them these muslims take sides with Hausa fulanis because of religion.

Omoodua007:
iPob and lies

First of all, I am a middlebelter from Plateau state and I am not an Igbo.

That statistics of yours from Wiki has 2 errors in my context of approach.

1) It includes Oromos of Kenya. Oromos of Kenya are predominantly muslim, But those of ET are 50/50.

2) Oromos of Ethiopia were slightly muslim majority in the past like you yorubas, but today it is a 50/50. Ask any Ethiopian you know.
Many Oromos have been leaving Islam till date since they were ruled by the christian Amharic empire.

How can you confirm this? Check their names. Take the current Prime minister for example. He is Abiy Ahmed, an Oromo, but he is a pentecostal christian. His fathers were obviously muslims from the surnames just like we see among you yorubas today too.

There has been a rise of pentecostalism in Ethiopia over the decades and it has been spearheaded by the Oromos, just like you Yorubas did in Nigeria, hence many of your people left and are leaving islam just like the Oromos are doing too.

Have I made myself clear

Cc LegendHero

LegendHero:
Ethiopia is not 50/50.

Seems you should be the one to read a book.

See Wikipedia below. I even have a colleague from Ethiopia and I’ve asked this question from her before.

Who said Ethiopia was 50/50?

I said Oromos were 50/50 not ET.
Oromos are the largest ethnic group in Ethiopia. In a country of about 100 million people, they have about 40 million. Amharas, Tigrays and the other minority tribes are predominantly christian. Only Somali is predominantly muslim.

LegendHero:
Firstly, I’m sorry if I sound harsh in the description.

Secondly, let’s face the fact bro, if you look Nigeria’s history since 1914 up to this moment, you will agree with me that we have not learnt to see eachother as one, forget the wishful thinking bro.

Before independence, all our past leaders shared your sentiments, the Awo, Zik, Balewas were of the thought that we will live together in cohesion and each tribe will contribute their quota to the centre and will remain independent. Just like you opined about the middle belt being the one to provide food, but in reality, human being lust for power and ethnic politics will come in and that’s the truth.

While I understand you when you talked about being landlocked, but you can actually negotiate a trade deal with the new country Biafra, or Niger Delta to give you access to the seaport and you can also be a major exporter of food.

The problem of Nigeria now is that most tribes are thinking they can’t stand alone because of the crude oil economy that we have. Leaders are scared of what the future hold and how their people will survive coz to be honest Nigeria is not that rich as we all think.

It is great to have a peaceful country with homogenous mind such that any government policies will not be viewed from the mirror of tribalism or religious difference.

I’ll still say the optimal solution to all this is to have four individual countries competing against eachother in their own might.

4 individual countries? 5 if you ask me because there is no way in hell the middlebelt will have one country with Hausa-fulanis. Impossible.

Like I said we could have a very loosed confederacy with the Igbos & SS. Something like the EU or the UK where seccession will be included in the constitution. Anyone who is tired of the union can easily pull out anytime.

This union can be possible because we will have christianity as a common denominator.

It will be good for the Yorubas to be in such a union too, but you guys and Igbos will always clash as 2 large tribes.

Hausa fulanis are the problem of Nigeria. We middlebelters, Niger deltans, Yorubas & Igbos, no matter how much we quarrel with each other, we have common values. We value life, education and a prosperous future, unlike Hausa fulanis.
We intermarry ourselves, socialize, eat and drink together. We can form a progressive nation or confederacy together where everyone controls her resources, or better still everyone goes his way and maintain friendship from afar.

Omoodua007:
You forgot to add oyo

Infact of all the 8 Yoruba speaking states/ territories only 2 out of 8 kwara and Osun are led by Muslims and there’s no wahala so they envy it about us a lot
No civilization can achieve what Yoruba have done with religion

This is not true.
Oromos in Ethiopia, one of the largest African ethnic groups with over 40 million people are very much united even though they are almost 50/50 between christians and muslims.
So stop feeling to special and read a book

Orjioorji:
they should support other southern brothers not always a northern Muslim, we supported Obj, we supported Abiola, but when it comes to igbo man a yoruba Muslim will rather vote hausa Muslim than igbo Christian, an average igbo man dot care about your religion as long it doesn't stop him from leaving his life in peace , let support a southern brother the north will stop riding over us, we are more learned

Telling a muslim not to support his fellow muslim is like pouring water into a basket. It will never happen.

I am a middlebelter from Plateau state but I have given up on a united middlebelt struggle involving tribes like Nupes, Ebiras & Bariba people and even to an extent Igalas. Why? These people are predominantly muslims and will readily betray their own future to please the caliphate.
I am now for the unity of only predominantly christian middlebelt tribes like Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Taraba, Nasarawa, Adamawa, FCT and Southern Gombe/Southern Borno, together with Benue.

The only hope for a strong union for the Igbos in Nigeria is with the Niger deltans & northern/middlebelt christian tribes. We may not be a majority but we will be almost half of Nigeria and strong enough to shake the country from it's roots without any fear of anyone betraying each other. Afterall we all have a common opposition in the core-north.

LegendHero:
While I’m also an advocate for Oduduwa Republic, I want you to get something right since you’re a middle belt guy.

You will have the same problem being in a country with the Igbos, they will also call you Aboki and illiterates if you’re in the same country with them, they will never respect you, how many times have the Igbos ever respected a middle beltan? There will still be issue of majority and some will still want to be the born to rule in a country that the tribal percentage is not almost even.

Your best bet is to have a different country of your own, you can do it also and that will be the best option.

The best bet for Nigeria is to divide into 4 countries, Core North, Oduduwa, Biafra, and the Niger Delta.

If any two of these mentioned tribes are lumped up in a single country, they will still face the problem of tribalism faced in Nigeria. That’s a fact looking at how the average mind of a Nigerian is configured.

Yes I support a country for middlebelters or northern christians alone, but it doesn't stop us from forming a confederacy with the South-South & South-east because we will be landlocked. We can offer them land for agriculture while we use their ports.

I believe the Niger delta would agree to a joint nation with the Igbos if we middlebelters would be involved because their fears of being in a country with absolute Igbo majority will be cleared.

Igbos will never call my people abokii or illiterates because the new nation will be well structured to prevent things like this. Besides, middlebelters are not predominantly illiterates like the Hausa fulanis. We are rapidly catching up with the south in terms of education and most educated Igbos & Niger deltans are fully aware of this. I have been living in the south for over 20 years.

Atandajugunu:
This is the time the South need to team up and settle their differences...if the north don't want to zone the presidency back to the South in 2023 no problem
...All the South need is to make alliance with the middle belt under a party and end this northern dominance..by then they will be no more zoning because they are the first to disregard it...The south and middle belt will share strategic position and restructure this country or rather vote referendum and every body will go is way....

I am from the middlebelt and this would be a very good idea.
However, it will never work because of Yoruba & middlebelt muslims. These people obey the caliphate and will be readily controlled.

The best bet you can have is a unity of the SS/SE and all northern christian minorities. If these 3 groups can be united under one cause. They will be too powerful to be ignored by the Federal govt even though they are not a majority, they are at least 45% of the country's population.

Which country can progress by ignoring half of it's population?

OfoIgbo:
Junaib and his ilk can jump into Argungu. One thing that everyone should know about Igbos is that they don't bluff. What Igbos say they will do, they will surely do.
Igbos did not shy away from a war when the whole nation was against them, let alone now that the Fulanis may not get the same universal support they got from other Nigerians back in the days.
Southsouth is not going Fulani way this time. Middlebelt may not go Fulani way. The only regions that may still do that will be the Southwest and the northeast, but Igbos are way more than a match for those three regions put together.

The line has already been drawn. No Igbo presidency in 2023, no Igbo (and possibly Southsouth) in Nigeria.

At the moment, it is mainly the poor and the working class in Igboland that are fanatically in support of Biafra. By 2023 presidential primaries, the middle class, the political class and the upper class of Igboland may join in the agitation, and the critical mass buildup will be so explosive that Junaib and his fellow travellers will be scampering for cover.

No gragra will help Junaib and his ilk this time

Even in the Northeast, you cannot expect a place like Taraba or most parts of Adamawa to join Hausas to fight Igbos. It will never work among most northern minorities who are predominantly christians.

Infact the fight may start among we and the Hausas before it gets to Igbo land because we will never support the Hausas using our lands to attack Igbos. Take this from a Plateau indigene.

2023 is not 1967.

Osaze007:
Which world ?
Lool Igbo that has highest poverty just say you don’t have an international city that’s yours

Hausa has abuja Kano kaduna
Yoruba has Lagos Ibadan port novo 2( were and are political/economic capitals)
Edo has Benin

Wetin una get nothing

Since when did Abuja & Kaduna belong to the Hausas?
Abuja belongs to the Gbagyi tribe, same with Kaduna too. Hausas have only claimed northern Kaduna city due to religious crisis.

Are u aware that hausas do not live in half of Kaduna city? because the Southern Kaduna christians do not allow them.

Kano is the only reasonable city Hausas can take pride in as their full ownership.
I am from the middlebelt and calling our cities to be Hausa cities is insulting to us.

Cc Stingman

Dareal90s:
nd dis oil am seeing is not even close to finishing, kaii

Oil will finish in like 50 years time. It's not anytime soon.

SamNaijaboy:
Chairman/Alhaji, relax. Don’t be confused. This time around no Yoruba or MB will aid you far Northerners in any murderous quest.
The citizenry is enlightened already and know you contribute ZERO and take most.
You over do and your parasite millions lose their host.
Before you accuse me of being Igbo, I’m Yoruba and over the past couple of years have seen a seismic shift in how you guys are viewed by Yoruba and MB. Don’t be fooled by the moles amongst us.
We genuinely increasingly see you guys as holding us back.
Una no get shame? Terrorism, Islamic fundamentalism, poverty, lack of education etc. Yet you breed more than who knows.
Please park somewhere Alhaji

Don't mind the idîot called Asnafsaeed.
He is lucky I didn't join this thread early enough.
I am a middlebelter from Plateau state and over my dead body and that of my people for us to join the core north against the Igbos for another civil war.
We may even join the Igbos or declare our own country. Who wants the unprogressive and unproductive Hausa-fulanis and Kanuris at this time?
The föol went about jubilating all over thinking 1967 is the same as 2023.
Hausa fulanis will be in for the biggest shockers of their lives very soon. It is not far anymore.

The federal govt may be serious about this, this time around. Their reason for this port is for ease of the movement of things to the North-east. The south-east is not their business here.

His family must have spoken serious sense into his head telling him the truth about that snake of a lady called Esther.

Also, he must have seen the calibre of beautiful, sexy and rich ladies in the outside world who wants him.

VirginSearcher:
But why did she get Tacha evicted that's bad of her, anyway congrats to her
btw why always Igbo winning the show?

This is the 4th edition of BBN and Igbos have only won twice. How does that translate to Igbos always winning the show? You people like to raise issues of tribalism when there is no need.

quickly:
But real elections na north Dey always wins.

Big brother is a tv show nothing more- for entertainment meanwhile naija election is life or death matter.

If u don’t believe it’s life or death ask those who have committed suicide due to bad economy.

Funny enough, northerners or should I say middlebelters have always been the pioneer winners of these shows.

The first winner of BBN was from Southern Kaduna.
The first Nigerian to win BBA was from Plateau state.

eldeens:
This is tribalism of the first order, why is it that only igbos became victorious in all the games, where are the yorubas, the north is totally marginalized. Rubbish

The first person to win BBN was from Southern Kaduna actually, while the first Nigerian to win BBA was from Plateau.

light099:
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Chukwu Okike Abiama is not a petty fool, and people you've accused are not bigot like your rotten bigotted head.
Has any Yoruba ever won the show? Only Igbos win the show all the time and it's surprising you're still the one complaining again. If BBN was that bigot like you said, then a lot of manipulations would have had Yorubas winning it all the time, and even with the votes it shows, people voted for mercy a lot not minding her tribe.
You just showed you're dumber than I thought, and if you still reason like a kid this way at your age, then I think it's a shame on you and not those you mentioned. I think I lose respect for you on this forum as from today. You've always shown traits of dumbness all the time but today capped it all.

I really lose respect for this guy tonight. Such a petty childish insatiable bigot.

Only Igbos do not win the show.
The first winner of BBN was from Southern Kaduna.
The first Nigerian to win BBA was from Jos.

We middlebelters are the pioneer winners of the show

Iamgrey5:
Yorubas nation is united

Hardly would you see a Yoruba who is not proud to be called Yoruba.

Comparatively to the Igbos, yorubas are more united. However, if you consider the Itsekiris as part of Yoruba, then I'd say it is not so true cos most Itsekiri people reject Yoruba identity.

Same with Ilorin. Many Ilorin people reject Yoruba identity. I have also seen few Okun people who reject Yoruba identity too.

Meanwhile, most people from Yoruba tribes in Benin republic & Togo are not even conscious of the fact that they are ethnic Yoruba.

horsepower101:
Exactly the INTENT is the biggest factor.

If those Igbos outside the south-east left willingly and no one forcefully carved them out, no igbo in the south east will care. They will respect that decision and move on.

Interesting.
The problem I think you Igbos are having in your reunification bid is not the Yorubas or Hausa fulanis. It is from your own people (i.e these seperated Igbos in the SS).
A large chunk of these SS Igbos have been brought up to deny Igbo identity and even hate Igbos. They are the ones who most times accuse you SE Igbos of being landgrabbers. If these people did not behave this way, the other Niger deltans or Yorubas or anyone else wouldn't have had the platform of calling you guys landgrabbers.

immortalityk:
These people don't see the dumbness in their posts and it surprises me at times
Going by this novice logic
Yorubas are actually worse off in this mere geographical expression called Nigeria
For example
These people crying ,their states are actually not more than in 3 to 4 states at most where they have large numbers
Rivers delta are the ones having highest population
While Benue Kogi Edo have little population
Now contrast to yorubas who are not crying
Yorubas have their brothers in states that are not sw
Kwara state, Kogi state where they are bullied
They have little presence in Edo and itsekiri delta
Now let's go a bit far
The capital of Benin republic is porto novo also known as ajashe
U can Google about the capital of Benin republic
The past president of Benin republic came to meet ooni of ife ,his name is boni yayi
U can Google the news where he said he was yoruba
The capital of Benin republic is not Cotonou before some nonetity quote me
Now yorubas have huge lands in Benin republic
The capital of Benin republic is yoruba land,ajashe
Yorubas are also in another country again,Togo
Yorubas have every right to complain about yorubas being only in sw
What about kwara Kogi Edo delta itshekri Benin republic and Togo
These people are very paranoid

This is good. Why then aren't Yorubas making serious and concerted efforts to unite the Yoruba nation? Like the Igbos are doing?

selemempe:
Just keep it real on this thread bro...no games here.

The eastern minorities are starting to piss me off. They have gotten everything from Igbos including large chunks of our territory and votes. We have never fought them or denied them. Abroad e
We take them as Igbos and show them love yorubas will never show them if they don't speak Yoruba.

Now tell me what we have ever got from them in return apart from insult and trolling....why? Because they think Igbos cant do without them? How? Is Rwanda not the fastest growing economy in Africa today even without access to sea or oil?

I know majority of anti-igbo sentiments on this thread would be from yorubas but I don't care because you will still not get even one south south person who would wanna defend us

Nice piece from you OP. I like your passion and commitment to your people's cause.

I am a middlebelt activist from Plateau state and I hope in the shortest possible future, I can convince most middlebelt ethnic groups to give utmost support to the Biafran struggle.

makeherscream:
a guy who does not watch football

a guy who does not womanize

a guy who does not smoke

a guy who does not drink

madam a guy that is not involved in one of the list above just know that a guy like that never exist or maybe not a man.

This saying of yours is absolutely untrue.

I do not do any of these things you mention above addictively.

1)I can only watch football when Nigeria is playing.
2)I don't smoke! I tried it and it doesn't make sense to me.
3)I am a social drinker, not a regular one. I can go a whole year without drinking.
4)I don't womanize, I only date one at a time. I can go a whole year single.

The only one I can't do without is POLITICS! So maybe you should have added politics to your list

oilPUSSY:
Goodafteroon Sir, I think I have to open another account to respond to your mail...

I have really forgotten everything (Password and e-mail) about this account.



I Will personally send you a mail once I am done

Ok, because nairaland is banning my detailed response to you. They have banned me twice.

myobjective:
Been a Muslim majority area, there are custom and traditions that give the wrong impression that people there are hostile towards none Muslim but Ilorin is generally a very peaceful town where people mingle and interact irrespective of religion.

My wife is a pure Ilorin indigene and when I brought her here to the North ( she was surprised ) how people take religious intolerance to a different level, she will say " people here take religion as a do or die affair when in reality it is only God that knows who is worshipping him" in a nutshell, she behaves like a typical southwestern woman.

I have lots of Ilorin friend, I have lots of friends from other part of Kwara and Yoruba land and it never occur to me that they are discriminatory towards Christians she.

Yes, not all Ilorin indigenes are extremist, but many are, compared to other muslim majority Yoruba cities. Most Ilorin indigenes take pride in the fact that they no longer practice yoruba traditional religions and worship of gods in the city.

Just that of course, you can never compare Ilorin people extremism to that of Hausa fulanis na.

Islamic extremism in Nigeria is of 3 grades.

Grade 3 (low)- South west Yorubas, Igalas & Afemai (Edo north)

Grade 2 (medium)- Ilorin, Ebira, Nupe, Bariba, Nasarawa-Plateau and other northern minority muslims who are not Hausa fulani or Kanuris.

Grade 1 ( high) -Hausa fulani, Kanuri, Shuwa arabs & Hausanized Bauchi/Yobe tribes.