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Iamgrey5:
They would never do that .

They might even fight anyone that tries to talk about it in the public.

Most of them believe they are practicing Islamic culture.

So Ilorin indigenes have to help themselves before other Yorubas get involved.

They can never help themselves unless they stop becoming muslims.
This is just like saying Hausas should help themselves break out of fulani domination.

Fulanis are wise as they use inter-marriage to infiltrate the Ilorin elite class to the extent that almost reasonable or rich yoruba person in Ilorin has a fulani wife, fulani mother or fulani inlaws. This is exactly how fulanis manage to control Hausa land too.

Iamgrey5:
Although they don't claim they are not Yourubas and they speak Yoruba variant of Oke-Ogun Yoruba language.

it's hard to get them to accept cutting ties with Emir and it's frustrating.

It's even more frustrating when one realises that majority of the government officials are Yorubas.

These people have been brainwashed by religion just like most Hausas have been brainwashed by religion to allow Fulani control them in the name of islam.

The day Fulani control of Hausas end is the day Fulani influence in Nigeria dies! Fulanis are a minority tribe in Nigeria but are so powerful because they control the Hausas (a majority tribe) and control Islam in Nigeria.

Yorubas are lucky that Fulanis captured only Kwara and not the whole Yoruba land, if not they would have been like Hausas today.

DabELLs:
You are so ignorant... is it Tunde that is Fulani name or Idiagbon? And who told you Saraki is a Fulani man. Has Saraki ever spoke Fulani to you before?

You guys don't just understand these things no matter how they explain these things to you.

Buhari who claims to be a fulani man does not speak a word of fulani. Daura where he comes from, Hausa is the only culture and language spoken there.
Fulani identity is not based on language or culture.
There are Hausanized fulanis as well as Yorubanized fulanis. Fulanis never forget their identity no matter how much they adopt the culture & language of their hosts.

In reality, Fulanis do not have any land in Nigeria. They came from Senegal area and mixed with all Nigerian tribes, most were absorbed into their host tribes but never forgot their identities.

Ritchiee:
Ilorin indigenes have never swayed from being Yorubas but for a few Yoruba Fulani amongst them.who have one of their parents as Yoruba or Fulani.

I pity you if you think the indigenes of Ilorin with fulani blood are very few.
See, fulani bood is very contagious, anybody with as little as a fulani grandmother or greatgrandmother has automatically been pro fulani. Don't take what some of these people claiming to be Yoruba in Ilorin tell you, cos if the wahala starts you will be shocked how many of them will come outside to support pro-fulani.
Many pro fulani in Ilorin also claims to be Yoruba when it suits them, but when the chips are down, it becomes a dfferent story.

Ilorin is just like parts of Delta Igbo where too many of them are of Edo, Igala or Yoruba blood. They will tell you they are Igbos today, tomorrow they will deny Igbo identity like a plague.

Emilokoiyawon:
That's interesting. I did not know there is a British component to this issue. At any rate, it is a wrong that must be corrected either the Fulanis (or their fake Yoruba conspirators aka Gambaris) like it or not.

This will never happen as long as the Sokoto caliphate exists and Fulanis continue to be very influential in Nigeria. It can only happen in a Yoruba-independent country which Kwara state is a part of.

Tflex01:
What many people don't understand (except the Igbos that are just mischievous) is that, religion is playing a bigger role in Ilorin matter.


If the Yoruba Muslims in Ilorin are ready to change that title, they will.

It would be difficult for them because Fulanis call the shots in Nigeria (especially Northern Nigeria which Kwara state is officially a part of). It will lead to a full scale crisis/war. It's just like saying Emir of Minna should be removed and an Etsu Minna should be put because Gbagyis own Minna. Lailai.

Biety:
Hey warn yaself o, na my people u dey insult so.
The issue is that there are Ilorin indigenes who claim to be fulanis when it suit them but they bear yoruba names,dress like yorubas and speak yoruba languge so fluently that you'll not even be able to tell if they are yoruba or not. Some of them have Yoruba mother and fulani father and vice versa, they are the ones that are always against the idea of removing the emir title from Ilorin.
They may agree with the pure yoruba indigenes there on every other issue but not on the removal of Emir title from Ilorin. Note that they too can claim to be Yorubas without any one disputing it.

This is exactly the same thing with Fulanis of the Northwest like Buhari, Shagari, Yar'adua e.t.c

They claim to be fulanis, but Hausa is the only language they speak, they practice Hausa culture and eat Hausa food. The real fulanis in Adamawa do not even regard the likes of Buhari as fulanis.
Fulanis in Kwara are Yorubanized fulanis, same way fulanis in the North-west are Hausanized fulanis. Fulanis never forget their roots (origins) even if they become Hausanized or Yorubanized. This is one thing about them.

Biety:
When OPC wanted to dispose the Emir of Ilorin in 1999, Obasanjo threatened to comfront them with Nigeria army,only God knows the reason behind his action then.
This issue is also very complicated among the indigenes,they can't even find common ground on what they realy want. There are Kwara/Ilorin Indigenes who don't want the throne of Emir to continue,likewise there are some who don't see it as issue. Solution can only come when the Indigenes speak with one voice.

And the indigenes can never speak with one voice, because some of the indigenes have Fulani blood (roots), others Yoruba, others Hausa, Nupe or Bariba even though everyone speaks yoruba.

ngeneukwuewuGOAT:
fake news. fake photos. fake report.

What is Lafia doing in Plateau state

Useless bloggers

You people don't read well. The bride is from Plateau state, the wedding was done in Lafia. Obviously, this is where the man comes from.

solmusdesigns:



Seyi is the fool here, he shouldn't had associated with that unruly girl, dude was even going to apologise to that trasha before she started shouting till seyi cleared her back.. she had to revenge exactly during the eviction show in front of millions of viewers accross africa with potential sponsors watching.... That girl is too dumb to play Queen Ceec the lawyer's script..

Seyi a doctor, whose cousins are the wife of the Vice President and head of Export Promotions council of Nigeria, whose father was the chiarman of The Nigerian Tribune Newspaper and his.beautiful Fiancee is a Uk based profession. Couldn't associate with kimoprah, Venita , Diane or Jackye even cindy sef... it was an unstable tacha he fell for


..

Seyi actually became close with Tacha during that period they were locked in that small secret room alone together for 4 days. It wasn't his making, it was natural.

efighter:
This vote is without the input of Northerners. You will hardly ever see Northerners coming to online to waste their time. Those that have no job among them are on the streets begging (Thunder will fire their leaders), the few literate ones have jobs waiting for them. Unfortunately they form about 60% of the voting population. This is why online polls will only reflect the pulse of the South, not the North and hence will not reflect the actual real voting pattern. Therefore the online polls like a this one are inconsequential, null, void and of no value whatsoever.

Exactly, and to also add. These online polls mostly reflect the educated South/middlebelt who have online access. Most of the rural people and illiterates who are easily bought over are not reflected here and these are the ones who have the PVCs to vote more than the educated ones.

Deadlytruth:
Hear the lying idiot. Weren't Nupe raids also witnessed in parts of Ekiti and Ondo States? Did that also make them property of the Nupes? Weren't Benin raids witnessed in Idah and environs? Did that ever make Igala territory a property of Binis? When was Auchi -ever in the Northern Protectorate? You are so gifted in lying shamelessly.
The only places which were ever in a moved from one Protectorate another are the whole of present Benue State and the whole of the present Kogi East Senatorial District which were moved from the Southern Protectorate to the Northern Protectorate in the fifties. I have severally uploaded the historical map of the Protectorates here to prove this.


Only a fool and lying bigot like you would make such a shameless claim and rather than provide evidence, would ask his opponent to go and find the evidence himself in the name of research. If you were sincere, then what is stopping you yourself who discovered it through your own supposed research from just putting up the evidence here? Very dubious and extremely dishonest and manipulative psycopath.



No one would fall for your use of verisimilitude to prove a blatant lie. Show pictorial evidences that Auchi was ever in the Northern Protectorate or forever shut your serpentine lying mouth. If Auchi was successfully carved back into the South after supposedly being in the North initially as you claim, then why couldn't those who did that of Auchi also do that for the Kwara Yorubas, the Okuns, etc? You have a very strong passion for lying.


Lessons from a lying bigot!

Go and google this topic,

NOTES ON THE TRIBES, PROVINCES, EMIRATES AND STATES OF THE NORTHERN PROVINCES OF NIGERIA.

By Charles Lindsay Temple, Olive Temple

Charles Temple was the lieutanent-governor of Northern Nigeria from 1914- 1916. This book was originally compiled in 1912 by himself and his brother, before the amalgamation of the Northern and Southern protectorates.

You can download the book for free or by paying in the various sites suggestions you will find from your google search, but I got it for free in one of these online book stores. The free version though was limited.

In this book, you will find stories about your Etuno people under the Igbira and Kukuruku ethnic groups. A section of Kukurukus (which were you Akoko edos) were also listed as a part of the Akoko people. I grabbed some screenshots which I will post here for you to see.
Mind you, this book was the official book used for the registration of northern ethnic groups as the Temples compiled the stories/records/census figures from various administrating officers who reported the stories of every single ethnic group.

So, get this into your thick gorilla skull. Your Etuno people (called Igarra) were identified as a section of Igbira people who were now merged with Edo tribes under Kukuruku umbrella. The part that got me laughing hard was when your Igarra people were described as a LAZY PEOPLE. Lol (hahaha).

And just for the records as you were arguing stupidly, yes the Akoko (Ondo) & Ekiti people who were raided by the Nupes were also carved into Northern Nigeria. Everywhere Nupes raided were carved into Northern Nigeria as I rightfully said and you were stupidly arguing.
So, while you Kukurukus and Akokos were rightfully transferred to the south later on, Kogi west & Kwara south yorubas remained in the North (including the Ekiti people you find in Kwara state today). This is why you will clearly find Ekiti tribe in this book as one of the tribes that made up Northern Nigeria.

Go through the Igbira part of the book and you will learn of the relationship between your people and the Igalas and why the claim of your Etuno professors on Igala roots may not be entirely out of place.

Next time, when I tell you something, in this miserable life of yours, you will ask politely to know more or keep shut to go make your further research before you allow your diarrhea hands sickness take the better part of you and put you in perpetual shame and ridicule.

Tufia (I spit on you), small boy who knows nothing about Nigeria's history. Next time when you see people like us, you will run far.
If you like, allow your stupidity take the better part of you and continue arguing while I keep disgracing you further. You would have avoided this disgrace if only you controlled that stupid argumentative character of yours. Nincompoop!

Deadlytruth:
You better exit the thread because your blunders and inconsistencies are beginning to brim
over. Your commendation of error filled Ethnologue website as the world's most renowned ethnographic platform says it all.




Hasn't it ever occurred to you that you have already rubbished the federal government by intially claiming that it alone could define and classify ethnicities only for you to shift the credit to an error ridden Ethnologue run by the very Americans you yourself accused of imposing Hausafulani cultural identity on your tribe? Hasn't it also occurred to you that you have already rubbished the Otaru of Igarra by defending a video made by a traditional figure making claims without consulting with the other traditional figures of the community which include Otaru of Igarra?
You have simply lost steam and only now displaying the antics of a drowning man.


Were you middle belters Moslems as at the time you claim to have been close to them in the past? You just enjoy making illogical assertions. If you are no longer close to them, then why do you still use their language as your lingua Franca, dress like them, bear their names, etc. You fool no one.


How come religion is a permanent challenge in your deluded brain yet you people were closely united with Hausafulanis during Ahmadu Bello's era when you were already Christians? In fact over 80% of the Northern soldiers who plotted the toppling of Ironsi, killed him and massacred thousands of Igbo officers and civilians in the counter coup to avenge Ahmadu Bello's and Tafawa Belewa's assassination by Nzeogwu and co were Christians of middle beltern origin. Examples are Theophilus Danjuma, Gowon, etc. So what nonsense claim are you making here that it was religion that separated you from Hausafulanis? Go and tell that story to primary school pupils who are yet to start having history classes in their curriculum.

Religion was not a very important factor in the north in early times (except among Hausa fulanis) and this was why inter religious marriages were very common then. People practicing multiple religions was also common then (for example, my mother practiced islam & christianity simultaneously while she was a child, my greatgrandfather practiced traditional religions & islam, then later christianity together), just like Yorubas are doing today. This was why Arewa seemed possible irrespective of religious differences.
On the part of the core-northernerns, the Sardauna heavily preached and promoted religious coexistence among all northerners, afterall his mother is believed to be a Bachama woman from Adamawa of traditional/christian roots.

Fastfoward, the Sardauna died and more extremist northern leaders like Buhari began to emerge. Also, people started to become exposed and more aware of their religion and religious identities, hence the project blew up.

In any election conducted majorly between a Northerner and a Southerner, who do these states, including their Christian, populations vote for normally? In 1959 elections they leaned towards NPC. In the 1979 election they leaned towards the NPN which produced Shagari a Fulani. In 1993 they tilted more towards Tofa a Fulani. In 1999 they were on the side of Obasanjo the choice of the Hausafulanis. In 2003, they preferred Obasanjo again. In 2007 they preferred Yaradua a Hausafulani again. In 2011, the tilt was evenly split between Buhari and Jonathan. In 2015, the tilt shifted fully to Buhari. In 2019, Buhari again clinched their fancy. So cut this revisionist tale.

Only a very big idìot will claim Hausa fulanis and middlebelters always had 100% the same political inclinations from the beginning.

Since colonial times, even before independence, the United middlebelt congress (UMBC) was the choice party for middlebelters in the Northern region parliament. Many of our representatives came from this party. This party was formed by the fusion of the Middlebelt league party and the Middlebelt people's party. This party was one of the main opposition parties in the old northern region.
Fastforward independence, when national elections came, the UMBC formed a merger with the NCNC and part of the AG to form UPGA which was the opposition party to the Hausa-fulani NNA (NPC). If not for the call to boycott the elections from the Eastern region, UPGA would have gotten massive votes from the middlebelt.

In1979, Nnamdi Azikiwe won old Plateau state with the NPP and not Shagari. The first elected governor of Plateau state (Solomon Lar) was also elected on this NPP platform. So, tell me how we were in alliance with Hausa-fulanis?
In 1993, Abiola won old Plateau, Benue and Taraba and not Tofa. Same party with which our governors were elected.
Most Nigerians voted Obasanjo & Yaradua from every region. There was nothing like Hausa-fulani choices here.

Can you tell us how the 2011 elections were split in the middlebelt when GEJ won all the middlebelt states (including Taraba & Adamawa) and lost only Niger state?
Can't you see the level of your foolishness?

In 2015, we all tilted to Buhari, yet GEJ won Plateau, Nasarawa, FCT & Taraba?
In 2019, we fancied Buhari yet Atiku won Plateau, Benue, Taraba, FCT & Adamawa? (mind you most votes Atiku got from Adamawa were from the christian areas and not the fulani-muslim areas).

Can you see how shameless you are? See, let me give you an advice that will help you in life, if you don't know something and you are not sure of it, never you say it, or you end up disgracing yourself. The internet never forgets. Even though Nairaland is a faceless forum, an Etuno person may be reading this tomorrow and will be ashamed at how much his tribesman is disgracing himself with poor facts and ignorance.

Stories. These are exaggerated claims....to borrow your language. How come there are such towns in Adamawa yet Boko Haram easily took over 14 LGAs in the state?

So you expect civilians without any serious weapons to overpower Boko haram who posses even more sophisticated weapons than our military and even overpower our military? Can you see the level of your stupidity?. I wish your children would see this someday.

All your attempts to create a false Christian population percentage for the middle belt will not sell. Even your own almighty Ethnologue classifies majority of these middle belters tribes as predominantly moslems. Or are you about to denounce Ethnologue again?

Nupe-Ilorin-Ebira-Igala axis is the only muslim predominant part of the middlebelt. Apart from here can you show me another part of the middlebelt with muslim majority?
Yes, some of our tribes may be classified as predominantly muslim in some old rankings, like mine, cos islam came first and not until the 70s, many of our people hadn't accepted christianity in the rural areas.
You claim you have lived in Gombe south/Plateau axis, while going through these areas, did you see a muslim majority? Double faced liar.

You copied those Arabic names not directly from the Arabs but through the Hausafulanis hence it still boils down to borrowing names from Hausafulanis. Hausafulanis own the Arewa identity, so as long as you still identify yourselves with it in any way, then you have never really separated from them as you would love to claim.

We mostly copied Arabic names from the Hausa bible and not really from thee Hausas. The British colonialists force the Sudan missionaries to evangelize our people in Hausa as opposed to Ngas language which they initially wanted to use. Most of our tribes never spoke or understood Hausa language until the gospel came in Hausa. The British knew that Ngas language will unify our people and become our new lingua franca, hence creating a new majority ethnic group in the north which they wanted to be Hausa majority only.

Is one able to differentiate Hausafulanis' houses from your's in the villages of your areas? If you speak their languages, is it houses you won't build like them?
Your boast of seven states is dubious. You are comparing the entire middle belt which cuts across three Geopolitical Region with just the SS which is just one of such. Unlike you, Yorubas have for a long time refused to vote for a Hausafulani. This is their first time since Independence. But you middle belters have always done so out of solidarity with the Arewa identity.
The SS and Igbos voting for Atiku are doing so on the perception that he is not actually Hausafulani.

Can someone differentiate the houses of Igbos in Delta and their Urhobo neighbours? Can one differentiate the houses of Yorubas and their Nupe & Bariba neighbours in Ilorin? Or the houses of Kogi Yorubas and Ebira koto/Bassa in Lokoja? Stop sounding foolish. Neighbours who evolved from the same topography and climatic areas would definitely and most likely have similar houses irrespective of their ethnic groups. Do Sokoto people have the same houses with Tivs, Idomas, Igalas & Ebiras?

SS & Igbos are voting Atiku with the perception that he is not Hausa fulani? Can you explain why Shagari won in old Cross River & Rivers in 1979? and got almost 40% in Bendel, yet he lost Plateau state? Mumu wey nor sabi shingbain dey claim say he sabi something.

Deadlytruth:
This is actually your trait as you are the one who have been making claims here and later turning around to adjust them when bursted. You lied that many Afemais are of Nupe origin but when bursted you adjuged it to "some Afemais are of Nupe origin".

Many Afemais have Nupe origins and Some Afemais have Nupe origins are both indefinite statements which are not very different from each other, but depends in the context in which they are viewed/used. I stand by these words of mine and there is nothing wrong here.

You also lied shamelessly that there is nothing like Oshuku and claimed that Paul Adeiza didn't agree to it, but when I uploaded a screenshot of Paul Adeiza's acknowledgement of it, you began to deny ever claiming that Oshuku doesn't exist. You are the shameless liar here.

I stand on my word that I always claimed that Oshuku never existed in the ethnic sense and not otherwise.

Can you mention just one assertion I made here and later adjusted it like you have been doing?

You do not readjust your assertions even when busted because you are a unrepentant and shameless liar who stare at facts in the face and still deny it.

On the other Ibillo thread, it was those Yoruba guys who first claimed that there are Akoko-Edo towns founded by Yorubas. When I asked them to mention those towns, they changed tune to saying that they only claimed that there is Yoruba influence. One of them was even shameless enough to mention Aiyetoro, and I told him the hard truth that Aiyetoro is not a village or town but a farming camp established by Unemes and Eniras but so named by Isua Yorubas who first came to buy their farm produce. I drew his attention to the fact that there is no monarch there and that the place has no recognized boundaries. He ran away from henceforth. The fact that these are the kind of persons you admire means you are exactly like them. Come to think of it, they spent a long time on the thread trying to tell others who they are, and it is exactly the same thing you are doing here. A person telling others who they are must tell lies and later turn around to deny them as he can never really know them more than they know themselves. If Edos are of Yoruba origin according to those guys, and Edos are of Nupe origin according to you, yet you claim those guys were right just because I took them up, then it shows you don't even know what you are saying. How can a particular people have two different ancestral origins? Can't you see that you are the one suffering from extreme stupidity and brain sickness combined?

Same you who claimed that Akoko edos stopped giving yoruba names to their children immediately after midwest region came, yet I showed you how almost every Akoko edo person I met in Uniben who was born in the 90s had a Yoruba name, then you readjusted your claim.
You also claimed every single Yoruba influence on you guys was as a result of western region influence and they showed you your traditional leaders, the titles they answer and their traditional attires looking purely Yoruba, then you started readjusting. Abeg e. Thank God these things are there for everyone to see.


You have no right to blame the Yorubas who claimed that some Akoko edo towns were founded by Yorubas afterall they showed you evidences of renowned Akoko edo intelligentsia who claimed their places were of yoruba origin.

You must be the biggest fool in the world if you think it is impossible for a people of an ethnic group or nation to have multiple origins (ancestries).

I gave you the example of Ethnic Turkish people today who were originally Hittites, who were mixed/conquered by Greeks and became ethnic greek for almost a thousand years before the Turks arrived and mixed/conquered them and today they identify as Turks, not forgetting the huge number of Balkans who came too. Today if the DNA of the average ethnic Turkish person is tested, it shows Ancient Anatolian, Greek, Balkan and Turkish blood. Most times it does not even show Turkish blood, cos the Turkish people who came to Anatolia were very small compared to the number of people already there. If you were to be asked the origin of Turkish people today, where would you say it is?

If you were asked the origin of Mestizos today, where will you say it is? Native American or European? Since according to you, nobody should claim multiple origins.

Many countries/ethnic nations all over the world officially accept multiple origins for their people, yet one imbecìle from nowhere is saying this doesn't exist.

Can you screenshoot where I swore as you allege above you shameless liar from the pit of hell? I made it clear that except those handful of Etunos seeking political correctness geared towards playing victim card to draw the Edo State Government's attention, none of them claims Ebira identity based on genuine enlightened conviction. Then Adeiza went and produced the video and I quickly pointed it out to him that the man is a perfect example of the type whom I say do so for political correctness and attention seeking. Seeing that I crushed his attempt with a superior argument, he gave another instance of one Etuno man seeking Ebiras support for his ambition towards EDHA. Then i proved it a lie by simply asking him whether people of Kogi State can vote in an Edo State House of Assembly election to warrant the Etuno man seeking such support as alleged. Then he ran away. Your repeated claim that I rubbished other's submissions is actually a Freudian slip confession of the superiority of my arguments and counter claims against theirs.

Now you have changed goalpoast and given many exceptions to Etuno people who claim Ebira identity, same you who authoritatively questioned me if any of my friends or Etuno people I have met in real life have ever claimed Ebira identity.

It is obvious you are a high Commissioner and minister of lies, duplicity, and a chameleon in chief. I asked you to show me evidence that there are Akoko-Edos or Owan individuals who identify themselves as Afemais in the ethnographics sense, but after searching the cyber space to no avail, all you could shamelessly come up with was the website of an Owan political group which claimed Afemai membership the political sense. Are you sure you are normal at all? Is an individual synonymous with a politically motivated group? Meanwhile the same you had already argued earlier on that Afemai is not a tribe in the ethnographic sense. Can't you see that you don't even know what exactly you are saying? This is the result of trying to tell a people that you know them more than they know themselves.
So your block and coconut head didn't see a lot of other Akoko-Edo monikers other than me who came into that thread to rubbish the claims of those so called Akoko-Edo intelligentsias who were claiming Yoruba origin for political correctness and benefits within the Yoruba areas they resided in the diaspora? You didn't see where they couldn't answer me if Oba Akiolu's claim of him and his family being of Benin descent means Lagos was founded by non Binis? You are indeed a maggot!
Of course I am an ambassador of and that is why my submission get on the nerves of liars and crass revisionists like you who jump from one thread to the other distorting peoples' identity and history. You are indeed born and brought up with a very rich diet of lies. Shameless turncoat.

First of all, if you are not a manipulative Psychopath can you show me from the beginning where I ever claimed that Akoko edos and Owans claim Afemai identity in the ethnographic sense for you to warrant me buttressing such claims? Same me who before we came in contact corrected an Etsako person who made claims of an Afemai ethnic group which doesn't really exist?

MANIPULATIVE PYSCHOPATH !
You always force words into people's mouths in order to create a safe landing for your foolishness.

It was an argument between me and an Igbo moniker on how the Igbo political elite caused the political misfortune and developmental retardation of the South. Your coming into it was an interference because you were neither Igbo nor a Southerner.

As if anyone made mention of your people in the alleged Edo's Yoruba origin debate before you jumped in uninvited. Even the mention of Nupe names didn't concern you as you are neither Nupe by tribe, but you interfered all the same because you wanted to show off your so called knowledge which is actually a pack of misinformation and outright lies. Your tribe was also not mentioned in the Etuno vs Ebira issue into which you also found a way to poke your ugly head full of lies. Who even really knows your obscure tribe let alone mention it?
Your previous claim that you are bound to correct other people's 'exaggerted' assertions about themselves was actually an advance confession that you don't really need the mention of your people before you jump into any thread or debate that doesn't concern you.

Let me assume that what you are saying is correct, even though you are known to always bring facts from your anus without any factual backing.
I said it before here that I was born and bred in the South, so I am more of a southerner in personality, behaviour, thinking and everything, so there is nothing wrong if I involve myself in arguments of the south because this is the culture I am immersed in the most, however, I will not involve myself in a purely Yoruba or Igbo thread and start arguments there especially when none of the people's I am affiliated with were evermentioned.

If you were not an ignoramus of gargantuan proportions, you would by this alone have realized that I am vindicated for my position that you therefore can never really be separated from Hausafulanis hence the socalled Middle Belt pursuit has been defeated or else how exactly do you physically separate yourselves from these wards which are ancestral lands to both you and Hausafulanis mixed together?

Your level of ignorance is shocking. Weren't Yoruba speaking and Edo speaking communities sharing same boundaries before they were seperated according to regions? Are there no Igbo communities sharing the same LGAs and even wards with Idomas and Igalas in Benue & Enugu states? Ette (one town in Enugu state) has both Igalas, Idomas and Igbos as indigenes of that same town. Does this mean that middlebelters will not be seperated from Igbos if need be? Let me not talk about Kwara, Kogi and even Niger state where Yorubas, Nupes, Ebiras & Baribas share the same towns and LGAs equally as indigenes. Mugu without a direction.

So in your manipulation infested brain, not to like someone means not to hate him? You must have failed English Language repeatedly. In philosophy and logic the word 'not' is the negation of an assertion, and negation means the exact opposite. In a logical truth table of love versus hate, 'I don't like' automatically goes to the column of hate. Simple. How can you say you don't like a people and at the same time you don't hate them? Does that make sense? It is also similar to saying you don't hate Mr. A but that doesn't mean you like him. You are getting more and more confused honestly. Why would you just not like a people in the first instance? What did they do to you? This is how your likes hypocritically preach national unity yet you harbour hate, resentment, and other wicked emotions deep down in your hearts against others. So much for an ambassador of national unity. I only hope the Ebiras here who might have been admiring you all along for trying to help them suppress the Oshuku identity under the Ebira tag are able to see now clearly that it is not as if you are doing it genuinely out of love for them or in their Interest.
Now this analysis I am about making is very important as it exposes your whole dubious intent. In your assumption, Etunos are Ebiras, right? And you now claim you hate Ebiras meaning you hate Etunos. So isn't it now obvious that you have a personal axe to grind with an Etuno person and you have decided to take it out on all Etunos whom you have come to hate so much for no good reason? See yourself?

I AM NOT TALL does not necessarily mean that I AM SHORT.
I AM NOT WHITE does not necessarily mean that I AM BLACK.
SHE IS NOT FAT does not necessarily mean that SHE IS THIN.
WE ARE NOT FRIENDS does not necessarily mean that WE ARE ENEMIES.

Stop talking like an uneducated foøl. Words and opposites does not always work the way your Manipulative psychopathy makes you think they do.

There is no length you can't go in trying to make your shameless lies appear as truth as you have even gone as far as rewriting the dictionary towards changing the meaning of Jihad to suit your false narrative. You have no iota of shame left in you.
Below is an attached screencapture of the online dictionary's definition of Jihad according to which the term means a holy war fought by moslems. It didn't mention conquest as an integral part of Jihad. That a place came under a moslems' holy war does't automatically translate to conquest as wars could be won or lost. Except you are now trying to as usual lie that moslems won all the holy wars they ever fought in history. You are simply pathetic!
You still lied again about the Illorin issue despite the afonja story is one of the most popular on NL. Illorin was conquerd through physical attack. Afonja was deceived into physically attacking his own people in exchange for a promise but when it was time for it to be honored he was attacked and denied. So it was a war all the same. If your new shameless twist is anything to go by, then we Christian's use of persuation based on reason but which some see as deception with the instrumentality of false miracles can be said to be a holy physical war, right? You are a travesty of common sense.

You are just making a stupid argument when there is none. Jihadists did not win all their wars of course, just like they did not succeed with those of us in Plateau, Southern Kaduna e.t.c and this clearly shows with the fact that most of our people never accepted islam. However, in the case of Etsako west where the jihadists ruled from, every single person became a muslim. How did this happen if the jihad was unsuccesful? Auchi people were never muslims before the jihad, how did they become 100% muslim with so much Emirate cultures and royalties immediately after the invasion? I guess it was magic right?

Ilorin was not conquered by Fulani invasion in war. Alimi (Fulanis) supported Afonja to fight Oyo for independence and immediately betrayed Afonja by taking over power immediately independence was realized. This was what happened, can you kindly explain how this was a war of conquest? You like arguing stupidlÿ!
Can you compare this to Yola or Gombe where there was full invasion and open war between Fulanis and the tribes? If you have any senses, you will know that this is what is called INVASION WAR

Deadlytruth:
And did he tell you in that video that he was speaking on behalf of every other clan head in community? In the place in question, all clans are aautonomous hence no single clan head's claim can pass for the opinion of his other colleagues. There is no clan head superior to another. When the community has to take a position on an issue, all the clan heads each with their palace chiefts and secretaries would meet in a neutral venue and agree before making their collective position public. Didn't your Etuno friends in UNIBEN tell you this? Then the man in the video is himself currently in court with a suit filed against another of his colleagues on allegations of that colleague claiming to be superior to him. That is the present situation on ground. So why should he be speaking without getting the approval of his colleagues hence implicitly claiming superiority over his other colleagues and thereby committing the same offense for which he has currently taken another of his colleagues to court? Of course he would have been sued to court for libel had he claimed in the video that he was speaking as the ultimate authority in the community or that he was doing so as a result of the outcome of a deliberation meeting between him and his colleagues, hence he cleverly avoided that.
Or better still let him, in an official capacity, make a signed publication in a national daily to that effect and see if he will not land in court the next day.


Why do you think he isn't despite you claim he is the final authority of the community whose words are ye and amen? That he dared not say so at the maiden Oshuku Descendants meeting despite the Etuno man honoured with the position of pioneer president was even a member of his own clan hence his direct subject means he knew the truth. Of course he didn't dare mention such on the floor of EDHA or throughout his time as a representative of Akoko-Edo Constituency II because he knew that by doing so as a duly elected state legislator, he would automatically be going against the wish and opinions of the Etuno people who elected him to defend such in the first instance. But at the expiration of his tenure, he lost his representative status and became free once again to speak as an individual on behalf of himself, and that was when he made that video. If he had yielded to the pressure to make that video while he was bearing a representative status on behalf of the people, it would have sparked off a crisis that could have led to his recall.

All this plenty talk just because an Etuno traditional ruler claims he is Ebira, hmm.

I have told you before and would say it again, unless your people come out in an official/national speech or public address on media to emphatically state that they are not Ebiras, then nobody is going to take you guys seriously.
This is the reason why Aniomas are taken seriously sometimes unlike your own people. So many times without number, their kings and leaders of their national socio-cultural groups have come out openly and nationally to denounce Igbo identity. Unlike your likes, the Igbo rejecting ones among the Aniomas know very well that their people are being addressed and classified as Igbos often in Nigeria, hence they do the needful by a public disclaimer speech through their officially recognized socio-cultural bodies. What have your own Pseudo-Oshuku-non-existing-one-settlement-group done to officially own their own identity in Nigeria?

This analogy doesn't cut it. Hausafulanis are not trying to impose themselves on your people in the ethnographic sense unlike what is happening in this case under focus. However, you yourself have claimed here that due to a history of intermarriages from generation to generation, some of your people can't really be totally disentangled from Hausafulanis. So some of your elders would easily make that assertion especially those seeking political correctness. like the man in the video.



Duress could take many forms including a quest for political correctness. I guess the Middle Belt elders who are fond of raising a standard against the Middle Belt irredentism are under any kind of duress or mental imbalance?

First of all, Hausa fulanis could never have forced themselves on us in the ethnographic sense considering the fact that we share absolutely nothing in common with them to warrant this. Like I said, there is no smoke without a fire.
Most middlebelters who still support Arewa are either influenced by religion (islam) or are those who out of their shortsightedness still feel our people can work out sth/resolve our issues with Hausafulanis.

"You would have" is pure conjecture and still borders on a tendency to lie. In one comment on that thread, I still made it clear that even Etuno indegenous professors and other academics used to write and publish books in propagation the narrative of Igala origin due to previous ignorance but that with increase in knowledge and facts they began to dissociate themselves from it and withdraw those texts from circulation. So how and why would I have denied that some very few Etuno people on account of ignorance or political correctness quest used to initially identify themselves as Ebiras?
The theme running through my argument there is that right from time immemorial, Etunos even intially identified themselves more as being of Igala origin due to the similarity of the name 'Igala' and 'Igarra' and coupled with oral legend which has it that they migrated from Igala to their present locations and that in actual fact, a lot of their court culture bear affinity to those of Igalas... for example the heads of clans in Etuno have their titles as the corrupted version of their Igala equivalents which Ebiras don't use. There are so many internet publications which speak on the denouncement of the hitherto belief that they migrated from Idah thus meaning that emphasis had always been on Igalas and not even Ebiras as you are quick to assume. It was relatively recently that this Ebira narrative started being patronized by some very few folks especially beginning from the demise of military rule when Ebiras launched this superimposition attempt. But just as the pro-Igala narrative was killed by concerned natives for it non-factuality, so is this Ebira superimposition narrative is being attacked for it similarly non-factuality. You simply lack comprehension ability. You don't read thoroughly.

Your people and Ebiras at large have a lot of history together with Igalas & Idah. I will reference you to a book in my next comment which I would implore you to read (this is actually the book with which I want to prove to you that Kukuruku division was once under the Northern region). So, your professors might have been correct with their previous assertions.

And you think the conversation doesn't warrant it now? You are the one actually suffering from extreme minority paranoia as we all know that beginning from the military era, of all the WAZOBIAn tribes, the Hausafulanis domination of you middle belters remains the most powerful compared to those of the Southern WAZOBIAns on the non-Wazobia Southerners.

Hahaha, you now want to shift goalpost . I nor know say Igarra people sabi wuruwuru like this sha.
Can you kindly show viewers what has warranted me saying the name of my ethnic group in the discussions so far?

Yes, Hausa fulanis had the most effect because in the history of Nigeria, they have been the most power force! And the British who saw this during colonialism further entrenched this power of Hausa fulanis with their own policies.
So powerful that the same people (fulanis) in spite of the fact that they were hundreds of miles away from you Southernerns, yet they managed to conquer Ilorin & Auchi from you guys and islamize them, yet some of we middlebelt minorities who were their next door neighbours managed to resist them in battle and rejected islamization for almost a century till the British came.

just like you can't force me to tell you the name of the Oshuku Descendants of Cross River State. So you knew all this while that it is not right to employ cheap blackmail in getting information from others yet you stuck to such method? I only used my insistence on your tribe to set a trap in order to prove how wrong it is to employ blackmail, and you just fell straight into it. See yourself?

Unlike you, I wasn't the one screaming about the existence of an Oshuku tribe in Cross river, you were the one. Now, telling us the name of that tribe has become a problem. Can't u see how you have come to become an object or ridicule?

In one moment, the iinconsistent fool claims he needs evidence of government documentation to agree to the difference between the two ethnicities. In another line he claims he wants the pan-Etuno group to do so before he agrees to it. In the first instance, who needs his agreement as an approval of an identity which predates his birth which happened less than 30 years ago? Secondly, does the fool now think that a publication by the pan-Etuno group automatically translates to the government documentation he so believes in at the expense of common sense? Then yet in another line he says he wants evidences from the same Europeans he himself acknowledged as having erroneously imposed Hausafulani identity and Language on Northern minorities against their wish. Then he references a Website being run by the same Americans and Europeans he accused of distorting the ethnographics of his own Middle Belt enclave and uses the contents to make assertions about other tribes. It is really difficult to know exactly where this chameleon stands.

Can you show me any where I ever claimed Ethnologue was a final authority in judging the identities of people? I only referenced it as a reputable source that it is in order to buttress my points of how your people are classified by insiders and even outsiders.

Besides the government (who even has some limits), no other body is a final authority on determining people's identities. However, common sense should tell you that a combination/reinforcements from all these various independent sources should be a conclusive pointer to where people's identities truly lie. The word of identification from a native of a place cannot always be taken hook, line & sinker because people's judgements can always be prejudiced by various underlying sentiments.

You think it is an easy task to get a people you have no direct communication contact with, especially Europeans and Americans, to make corrections on erroneous publications which they made about you on their websites? If you were more sobre and experienced you would have seen a Facebook group titled, "Igarra is a town in Edo State and not in Ondo State". This is because Facebook default settings were programmed by Mark Zukerberg or whatever they call him in such a way that places all Akoko-Edo towns in Ondo State once you register your hometown in your profile. For the past ten years a lot of Akoko-Edo sons have written letters to Facebook head office in Palo Alto, California and even visited the place all to officially launch complaints that such classification is wrong. They have backed it up with letters from the successive LGA chairmen together with torn out pages from atlases approved for schools by the federal government; yet Facebook has till today not effected the correction. If you doubt it serch the profile of your Akoko-Edo friends on Facebook and see which state reflects in their profile as their origin. Likewise, the Etisalat network automatically places Akoko-Edo in Ondo State during registration of sim. A lot of complaints at Etisalat head offices in Lagos and Abuja have remained unattended to till this moment.
Haven't Facebook and Etisalat been seeing these errors? Haven't my reference of the Oshuku Descendants maiden edition conference resolutions which even Ebiras themselves agree to supposed to be the highest evidence to all I have been saying here?
If you still can't see any evidence in it, then you will still not see it in any publication or video produced by either the government or pan-Etuno group.
Meanwhile in the records of the Edo State ministry of Chieftaincy Affairs, Etuno people are documented as a separate autonomous tribe. You can cry me a river for that. Idiot!

Like I always say, there is no smoke without a fire. It is not a strange thing if Akoko edo is classified under same political affiliations with fellow Akoko people of Ondo. Most of all these technological stuffs work with programming, hence errors like this are not to be seen as something out of space.

This is the same way some Anioma towns appear as Rivers state on facebook. It is not rocket science considering that some Anioma settlements were actually divided into River state later on.

Edo state could classify Etuno people as an independent ethnic group, same way Nasarawa state classifies Opanda people as a seperate ethnic group and not as Ebiras, cos this is from a state perspective. Your excuse is not peculiar, so you are the one to cry for your foolishness based on your delusion of uniqueness

Even Kogi state classifies Ebira Koto & Taos seperately sometimes. Donkey

Do you realize you are a miseducated sociopath? Wasn't it the same you who sent the two websites and unploaded snapshots from both of them to jointly substantiate your dubious claim? So what is wrong if I puncture the inconsistency in the two? How and why should a sensible and normal person reference two conflicting sources to substantiate a single claim? Can't you see now that you are the irredeemable ignominous and miseducated minion?
So in your deluded brain it would make sense for a person to at the same time reference Nigerian Government's account of the Biafra war and also reference the account of the Biafran Army to prove who killed Isaac Boro for example, despite the fact that these two accounts stand in conflict over that very question? You are really a fool! A big one for that matter. Your education was just a waste of scarce resources. You have no atom of intelligence in you at all.

The 2nd link was from Global network recordings. An evangelical group that translates the gospel in every existing language on earth. It is on this basis that they classified Etuno as a language subsect of the Ebira ethnic group.
It is not an authority on Ethnicity unlike Ethnologue. This is why I called you a stark illiterate who does not check the sources of references but just goes ahead to display the usual Manipulative Psychopathy.

So you now want to rely on only ethnologue and throw away the second website which you referenced without anyone forcing you to do so? You never really trusted that other websites but you quickly referenced it. This means you will still discard ethnologue if I point out a self contradiction within it. Inconsistent clown.
By the way, is ethnologue a document or website of tier of the Nigerian Government which you claim has the ultimate powers and right to make classifications on ethnicity? Inconsistent clown. One does not even know what exactly you want. Just jumping from one tree of opinion to another like a monkey. Very shifty and unstable. Even a chameleon would marvel at your tendency to change colour so frequently.


And doesn't common sense which you lack makes it clear that such allowance is still an indication that the managers of the site acknowledg their fallibility hence a open to contrary and superior facts? The mere fact that a publication is made open to discussion automatically means that the author acknowledges he doesn't have 100% knowledge on that topic.

Only a fool and buffon like you would assume that there is any website with 100% accuracy in its contents just because it doesn't issue a disclaimer. Each time you write, I am forced to wonder which school you attended. Do the websites of Punch, Guardian, etc have disclaimers or create allowances for readers to edit them? Does that mean their publications are always 100% accurate? Don't they get sued for misinformation for which they later publish appologies or pay huge damages? You are simply beyond salvage. You are so badly educated that your attachment to certain assumptions has robbed you of common sense totally.

That something is most renounced doesn't make it 100% reliable. Guardian newspaper is Nigeria's most renounced daily but it once published a fake story about Buhari claiming to make Nigeria ungovernable. Buhari took them to court a won. Guardian was asked to publish an appology to that effect.
Ethnologue is an online platform run by Americans or Europeans who can't be easily reached for correction, and where they are reached they like Facebook would not suddenly correct those errors. Only an inexperienced dullard like you would assume it all happens as immediately as it is pointed out to them.

Can you now see your own inconsistency, duplicity, instability, madness, lunacy, schizophrenia, etc combined? You have now abandoned your emphasis on Government documentation for a website run by aliens just because it is beginning to appear that your Government thing will soon stop holding water?
Ethnologue classifies Ika Aniomas as Bini (Edo), but the Nigerian Government and Aniomas themselves say otherwise through Government documentation which you so hammer on. So which do we choose now between the two now that you have been boxed to a tight corners on this?
The same ethnologue you claim is the world's most renowned classifies Ogori-Magongo as an Okpameri people, didn't mention Bayelsa State as location where Urhobos are indegenous to despite there are actually such Urhobos, and does so many other error filled classifications, yet this self-deluded chameleon is claiming it the world's most reliable. You must be really confused.

Like I said, Ethnologue is not a final authority but just a reference of reputable background.
For everything that ethnologue lists, there is a very reputable reference and research work to back it up.

I'd appreciate you to bring your claims of Okpamheri, Ika and Urhobo as a link of reference as I did and as an educated person would do and not just say anything. The same you who could not differentiate sources from one another even when I spoonfed you with these links think you can just pull up any thing from your anus without links?

Deadlytruth:
So names like Sokoto, Kano, Borno, Katsina were the names of Hausa subtribes despite these names actually being originally names of purely geographical features as documented in Government records which you claim are the final authority? So the name Sokoto, which is of Arabic origin and means market, was the name of a Hausa subtribe? You also mean that the name Kaduna - a Hausa word meaning 'crocordiles' was the name of a Hausa subtribe? Please which Hausa subtribe was ever referred to as crocodiles?
Can't you see you are just running from pillar to post inventing new lies to cover up old ones? Who told you that Ondo is a name of a Yoruba subtribe? So, Ogun and Lagos are also Yoruba subtribes?

Manipulative Psychopath. Can you show me where I ever claimed that Sokoto, Borno, Ondo & Ogun were names of Hausa/Yoruba subtribes? I only claimed that 'some' which are Katsina, Zamfara, Kano, Kebbi, Oyo & Ekiti were names of Hausa/Yoruba subtribes and truly these are. Don't make outrageous claims of what I never said to create a safe landing for your ignorance.
Sokoto mostly belongs to Gobir emirate(subtribe) of the Hausas.

The difference here is that I have produced the screenshot once already and if you still pretend not to see it, my producing it up to a million times will not change anything.


Isn't it from the people themselves that the government get the information on which they rely to make classifications? Do they just sit down and start manufacturing ethnographics on their own without consulting the people themselves? Don't you know that in producing a gazzette about the tradition, culture and ethnicity of any tribe or community the government is statutorily bound to send a panel of inquiry to that community to get their unanimous opinion before they do the documentation, and that any gazzette which doesn't pass through such due process is actionable in court? You think the Government, even a military one, has the power to on their own create ethnographic documents? You must be very naive indeed.



Good example. Now, the British documented Hausa as a major tribe in Northern Nigeria and the official language there but didn't do such documentation about some Northern minority tribes. But does that really translate to the non-existence of those Northern minority tribes? That is the point of my argument here. As long as government is an institution of state put in place by imperfect individuals of limited knowledge, then it must be fallible and can't be free from errors hence the provision in the laws which grant people the power to seek corrections through calls for commissions of inquiry towards creating gazzettes.
As we speak, a section of Anioma people have been given documental recognition by Government as a separate autonomous tribe of her own despite the prevalence of Igbo culture among them as well as the fact that persons like you would claim they are actually Igbos but seeking a separate recognition just for political correctness. But here we are with the Government granting that their purported quest for political correctness. So don't you see that your emphatic reliance of government documentation is self contradictory to your obvious take as regards this Anioma section being Igbos?

The ethnic classifications which the government uses today are mostly a handover of what the British left, For example the British were the ones who classified all the similar 'yoruba speaking tribes' as ethnic yorubas. Prior to this, Ekiti, Ijebu, Egba and others for instance never identified themselves as Yoruba people. The yoruba identity was originally meant for Oyo people.

Who ever said that the fact that Hausa was documented as the major tribe in the north meant that the minority tribes never existed? Manipulative psychopath, stop creating arguments where they don't exist. Every single minority tribe including the ones who are now extinct (have been hausanized) have always been documented and regarded, but not as a majority, right from the colonial days.

I would politely implore of you not to refer to me as 'brother'. You can't be heaping insults on me and at the same time be addressing me as a brother. It doesn't make sense. This is the hypocrisy I have been pointing out.
That said, nothing is really beyond anyone's control. If you resign to fate about correcting a wrong narrative about who you are, you will only be leaving behind a more complicated battle for your descendants who must still fight it if they have to be free. The anti-Hausafulani domination and identity superimposition you are currently battling with was left behind by those who could have nipped it easily in the bud at its very tender stage but chose to assume that it was beyond their control. I once met a Kaltungo man while in Gombe State in year 2000. This man was a champion of Middle Belt movement as he didn't ever allow an opportunity to explain the difference slip by despite how Herculean the task appeared. In fact his passion for and commitment to Middle Belt irredentism was more than 100 times yours.
99% of the things I learnt about Middle Belt today were through his very deep and logically faultless analysis unlike you who makes claims and adjusts them soon afterwards. Yet this man was an embodiment of humility, he was very unassuming, not boastful of knowledge, etc. But when he spoke, it was easy to see that a truly knowledge person doesn't boast of it at all.



The European and American writers are however not the same as the Nigerian Government you claim has the final authority.
It may however interest you to be told here in addition that Etuno people are actually recognized as a separate people by the government. Check the ethnography page of the latest edition of the MacMillan atlas recommended for secondary schools by the FG and you'll see Etuno boldly written at the Northwestern area of Edo State as an autonomous people and tribe. I can furnish you with a screenshot of the page if you wish.

Champion of middlebelt indeed. Funny enough, the majority of Kaltungo (and southern Gombe) people in general do not even know that they are middlebelters . People like us do a lot to convince them and carry them along. This region has never produced a renowned middlebelt/northern minority activist in their history unlike we in Plateau whose fathers created and have fought and died for the middlebelt and successfully inherited general leadership of the struggle. People even take Southern Borno people more seriously.

It is just like an Enugu man telling a passionate Edo kingdom activist from Oredo that he met a more passionate Edo kingdom activist from Aiyetoro in Akoko edo (people who are in identity crisis)

Middlebelters are not resigning to fate for their struggle, albeit we are not going to go about telling terrible and shameless lies, attacking everyone around in order for us to achieve our struggle because we know that is not the solution unlike you.

So being known by neighbouring Adamawa people is same as having government documented recognition which you claim is the ultimate recognition standard?

So dilineation on their areas into political voting units is now same as them being documented by government in the ethnographic sense? If that is the case, then all the 371 tribes listed by the OP have as well been documented and duly recognized since they all must have fallen into one political ward or another.
Laugh wan kill me ooooo!

Manipulative psychopath. I told you that the Koma people were officially documented and recoginzed as Nigerians in 1961. This was the first thing I mentioned. Go back, wear your myopia glasses and read it slowly for the sake of learning and not manipulative psychopathy.

As for the issue of Aniomas, they have always been classified as Western Ibos from colonial days and documents. Post Biafra war, the denials began strongly and till date their people are in identity crisis (same with Rivers Igbo tribes) just like yours. Within the same Anioma family you will find a Father who is pro Igbo, the mother anti Igbo and the children are indifferent.

Deadlytruth:
Your apology was tongue in cheek because you later again slid back into your caustic choice of words. People don't really change, you know?
Regardless of tendering apologies, that an individual had the effontery to introduce abusive language into a debate supposed to run on only facts and logic is an indication of being actually empty of facts hence has a tendency to creating a brawl to divert attention from the substance of the debate which he has obviously realized he can't win.


Who can ever love insults more than the very person who was first to throw a jab that someone else has a problem just because he chose to make a clarification which doesn't seem to flow with his sentiments? I guess your insult of me having a problem is the way a lover of peace is expected by norms to respond to a submission which is altogether new to him? And despite all these your obvious violation of the simplest rules of engagement, and rendering of unprovoked attacks first, you still have the moral courage to tag another person a chameleon? What could be more chameleonic than to be the first to throw an abusive jab and then turn around to create an opposite impression?
You want to suddenly ignore what you started? You initially thought you met a push over in that? You can continue. Who is stopping you? You think I care?
I don't have regards for anyone who introduces abusive language into debates however faintly the extent to which they do it. I see such persons as crude, savage, uncivilized, subhuman in thinking, etc.... and that is where you belong in my thinking for doing exactly that here, and no appologies will change that anytime soon.

Since you have outrightly rejected my hand of peace for us not to continue with insults anymore, no problem, let us continue in the insults. At least anyone reading through this can conclude by themselves on who the true ambassador of peace is.

Henceforth you no longer deserve my lengthy replies, cos I have concluded that you are someone who just likes arguing for the sake of arguing and you are also a manipulative psychopath who likes to force words into people's mouth when they never said those things just to create a further baseless point for more arguments.
So, I will only be giving one or two worded/sentence replies to any point you make.
You can go forth with your madness and your usual sickness of 'hands-diarrhea'.

Deadlytruth:
So it has now become very silly to undertake a search for a proof for a claim you have spent sleepless night on a public forum trying to make? Didn't I earlier on say you are a slowpoke? Which is easier between typing all these long stories here and just searching out their profiles on Facebook, in boxing them on this issue, taking a screenshot of their response and uploading it here as you have been effortlessly doing for some pages here? You think you are smart and clever? It is obvious you have actually contacted them and got a response which destroys and poohpoohs your claim here hence
you chose to come back with the daft and dubious claim that it is silly to start trying to reconnect to them for this reason. Self deluded punk!

Common sense if you have any should let you know that people who I have not communicated with for years now, I cannot just involve myself in the madness of contacting them all of a sudden just to ask them ethnic questions.

How would a naturally abusive person like you know where exactly you started with abusive language?
Below is the screenshot of how you started it by claiming that I have a problem just because I was exercising my freedom of expression on a public forum. This led me to the retaliation of calling you an ignoramus.
Why should any normal, polite and diplomatic person accuse another of having a problem just because the other individual's revelation doesn't agree with what he was fed with courtesy of default propaganda? Check it and see for yourself, and then show me a screenshot, if any, of a post in which I insulted you prior to that. Disgusting liar!

Can't you see that when someone is naturally a liar, he has to tell more lies to cover up the previous ones? You called me an ignoramus in your response to me on the nupe issue and not the Oshuku issue. See the screenshot below, shameless liar.

Deadlytruth:
That is the boomerang that comes with trying to tell other people who they are. Why wait till you come across them again? Don't you have their phone numbers? Call them and ask them to hear their response. You will be shocked.

No, I do not have their numbers anymore cos since we graduated, we lost communication. I can't start looking for them now just to ask something like this. It's very silly.

The problem you had wasn't really that you joined the discussion but that you joined it with a predetermined mindset and were first to use uncouth language. I personally don't start the use of indecent language or anything suggestive of insult in debates with people but whoever uses it on me first will not like how I would respond. I see it as babaric and uncivilized for people to believe they have monopoly of abusive language and can use them in winning debates. I don't give such persons breathing space. If you want to have a productive discussion with me, just try your best to avoid direct or indirect insults. Keep the discussion clean.

I dare you before the public reading this, let us go back to the beginning of our conversation here and see who first used an insultive language on each other.

Below I have attached 2 screenshots. The first one where you threw the first insult at me by calling me an IGNORAMUS OF GARGANTUAN PROPORTION, when I talked about the Nupe origin stuff. This was where all the insults started!

The 2nd screenshot shows where I apologized to you immediately you replied me for the first time on the Oshuku issue.. I apologized to you over my condescending tone in my first post on the Oshuku issue! even though I never insulted you. I guess the whole world can see who is truly an ambassador of peace and civility between me and you. You behave like a chameleon. You love insults, you are not a peaceful person as has been confirmed here by other commentators. Stop trying to claim what you are not. As from henceforth, I will stop using insults unless you further reply with one.

You hands are infested with menstrual flow. So you mean Hausa subtribes didn't exist until after states were created in Nigeria? When you talk too many disjointed stories to home a lie as the truth, you don't really know when illogicality begins to creep in. You do too much of conjectural merry-go-round and end up boxing yourself into very tight corners.

As a man after my words, I will ignore this insult.

Like I said before, Hausa subtribes existed before Nigeria, but even in present day Nigeria, the Hausa states were named after some of the Hausa subtribes. I hope this is not difficult to understand.
Besides, this is not even exclusive to the Hausas. Even the Yorubas too. Oyo and Ekiti are states today, but they are also Yoruba subtribes. Kano, Katsina, Zamfara & Kebbi are states today, but they are also Hausa subtribes. They were the names of Hausa kingdoms (later Emirates) before states existed.

And you think I am a programmed robot to repost the screenshot? You must be deluded. Did Adeiza Paul write it as Oshuku's Descendants or Oshuku Descendants? Which primary school did you attend? So in your delusional mind it takes government documentation for an ethnic group to come into existence? You are just using ethnic group and tribe interchangeably. Which government created Hausa and Fulani tribes through documents? With the way you hammer on Government documents, it seems your tribe is an artificial one created through such means hence you feel every other should follow suit. What your likes fail to understand is that Nigeria is still at an evolutionary stage hence so many actually existing tribes are yet in obscurity.

No, you must not be a robot to go back on a thread to produce a screenshot. I do this. There is nothing difficult there. If you really want to prove yourself you will do it.

Yes I always and will always talk about the government because in our world of today, the governments define who we are to a large extent and they are a final authority in arguments, definitions and principles which guide our living and co-existence as a people.
You and I would never have shared a nationality if not for a common government that binds us together.

FYI, Hausas and Fulanis were documented by the British when they created Nigeria and it was on this basis that they were declared and recognized as the majority ethnic group of Northern Nigeria. This is why officially, Hausa is considered a majority of Nigeria and one of our national langaues. I could dislike the Hausas from now till tomorrow but it doesn't change the fact that Hausa is one of the officially recognized national languages of my country while my own native language is not.

Brother, some things are just beyond our control, especially things like identity in the present world of ours, we can only fight to change some things, but no matter how much we try to deny them, it won't change!

No bro, my ethnic group right from pre-colonial times has existed. It was on this basis that the Colonial masters and independent European and American writers and evangelists classified and recognized my ethnic group as an independent ethnic group.

Weren't some naked tribes recently discovered in a hill settlement in Adamawa State? Does their hitherto non-documentation by government deprive them of their tribe status? Have they been documented even up till You now? You keep talking thrash. Your quest for political correctness is just sickening. To you everything is Government, Government, Abuja, Abuja.....You can't think anything without the Government.
The government didn't fall down from heaven. It was created by men hence not infallible. That you place government created by humans above groups of people created by Nature/God is a testimonial to how confused you are.

You are wrong sir. Koma people were actually documented (officially recognized) as Nigerians in 1961 and not recently as you think.
People say they were recently discovered because a youth corper in 1986 who was educated and had access to a camera and the media came and brought out their identity into national and international awareness. This does not mean that people in Adamawa/environs never knew they existed. No, people around them always knew they existed, just that by 1986, even the people (their neighbours) around them who were civilized were almost all illiterates too and did not have access to a camera and the media.

North-eastern Nigeria is the largest and the most sparsely populated part of Nigeria with so many mountains. Education/Westernization got to many parts of this area comparatively late. You won't believe that as late as the 80's, some rural people in the North-east were still walking nakéd. And these were even people on the lowlands oo, how much more those who lived on the high mountains . This doesn't mean that by that time, these people weren't documented, they were.
Till date, there are many tribes (people) who still live on the mountains (in Adamawa, Borno south, Bauchi & Taraba) and choose to live fairly isolated rural lives, however, all of them have been documented since pre-independence (except Koma who was documented in 1961), their villages (settlements) recognized and have been classified under council wards, polling units e.t.c.

And this your tribe has no name? So you don't want the topic changed to your tribe but you had no problems changing an Edo vs Yoruba discussion to Nupe vs Afemai one? Hypocrite! Whether you like it or not, you must create a thread on that your pseudo Hausafulani tribe or leave other tribes alone. You said your tribe is of five settlements yet you are claiming it is more than Akoko-Edo with 48 settlements. Do you listen to yourself at all? Your tribe, I'm sure, doesn't even qualify to be an LGA.

I have addressed the issue of your obsession with my ethnic group in a previous comment.

Can you show me where I said my tribe has just 5 settlements? I said the smallest tribe in Plateau state has at least 5 settlements, not my tribe. My tribe has a permanent seat in Plateau state House of assembly which we share with no other ethnic group, among the 25 state constituencies in Plateau.
My LGA has nothing less than 700,000 natives (it is the most populated in Plateau state) and it belongs to only 2 major tribes with 90% of the population.

My ethnic group has an estimated 300,000 natives while your Etuno cannot be more than 100,000 natives as you claimed.

LGA is not by size, Ogori Magongo as small as it is, it is a LGA. Only 1 town among the dozens of towns in my LGA is bigger and more populated than Ogori-Magongo.

If you are sure of this, then mention the name of the tribe let's see. In fact you have claimed and at the same time denied Hausafulani ties on this thread alone.

^^^^^^^^^^

Deadlytruth:
How can it pain me when it is a personal opinion and not on behalf of his clan. I have already explained why the man spoke that way and asked why he couldn't say same while he had the influence to have acted it out throughout his time as a member of Edo State House of Assembly, but the slowpoke you are never answers to these. The same man was later in attendance of the Maiden Oshuku Descendants where he couldn't make this same claim.

Did the traditional ruler tell you that he was speaking his personal opinion? As long as he is the officially recognised traditional ruler of his people, everything he says about his people is considered supreme until a greater authority rejects it.
Why do you think he is mandated to say the same thing in the maiden Oshuku event or EDHA? Is he under duress to prove anything? I don't understand.

Within any tribe and indeed all tribes including yours which you are so ashamed of mentioning, there must always be a handful of individuals who are either genuinely ignorant of the issues or purposely choose to distort facts for political benefits. This man fell into such categories until he got clarified.

Yes, there are ignorant people within every tribe, however there is no smoke without a fire.
No matter the mistake or ignorance, no adult from my ethnic group can come out and identify my people as Ethnic Hausa-fulanis let alone a traditional ruler from my ethnic group. It cannot happen. For an Etuno traditional ruler to come out and identify his people as Ebiras when he suffers no mental problem or was under any form of duress, then it calls for more reasoning.
If not that AdeizaPaul brought out that video, you would have continued swearing that no Etuno person dead or alive has ever identified himself as Ebira. Who knows now, there maybe thousands of other reputable Etuno people who have come out to identify themselves as Ebira, but as long as we don't have the evidence, to you it doesn't exist.

Bros, I have mentioned my tribe here on nairaland a thousand and one times when the conversation warrants it. So far so good, nothing has warranted it. Do you think that I suffer 'Extreme minority paranoia' like you that I should go about singing my ethnic group in people's ears all over just to prove it's existence?

If you are so obsessed with knowing my ethnic group, you could kindly ask and I will tell you. You cannot force me to say it by going around singing that I am ashamed of my ethnic group. I don big pass that kain small pikin sense. We don do am pass

It is rather your people that are having problem at least you, as an example are not even proud enough of your tribe hence you are more interested in other people's tribes. Is your tribe really that repulsive and stigmatized that you are too ashamed to create a topic on for people to discuss? Etuno people are not in any attempt to impose themselves on others, so what is the point making such a video? To achieve what? The video in question wasn't made by an Ebira man, so of what use will it be for the pan-Etuno body to issue a response purpotedly against Ebiras? Are you sure you are really sensible at all? This man in the video is the youngest among the clan heads in the community and the only politician among them hence he is the most unaware of the people's history and culture and he is most inclined to pursue political correctness at all times. When young people make mistakes, the elder person doesn't join him in it in the name of correcting him. He would rather do so through a more matured means hence the other heads of the 13 clans who are by far his seniors, don't see any need to make a counter video as it would amount to joining his macabre dance. Moreover, the Oshuku appelation supremacy has been settled once and for all through the maiden conference in which an Etuno man was honoured with the pioneer president in recognition of Etuno primogeniture supremacy in the Oshuku nation. The Almanacs are everywhere. So why the need to borther about making a counter video?. Isn't it ironical that you want a pan-Etuno group to deny Ebira before you believe it yet you believe the video of a man who is himself not synonymous with pan-Etuno group? Can't you see you are confused?

@the bolded. The Pan Etuno body has every responsibility of coming out to denounce Ebira identity before they are taken any seriously because almost everywhere people associate Etuno with Ebiras. Why? So many documents and works online, made by Ebiras, other Nigerians and even Europeans/Americans associate Etuno with being Ebiras.
They cannot claim that they have never come across any of these.
Afterall you yourself have said here times without number that Ebiras everywhere are trying to subsume your people under their identity and you have called me a victim of an AGELONG FALSEHOOD, which calls your people Ebiras. So, what have you guys done to officially denounce this agelong falsehood? Show the world proofs or forever remain a shameless idiot.

See the person asking for video evidence from a pan-Etuno group. Is this site sponsored by a pan-Etuno group to warrant your reliance on it? See again how inconsistent and chameleonic you are? Didn't you see a 'Join the discussion button' beneath the topic meaning that the author of the article is not certain of his claims thus ready to welcome superior knowledge and corrections? He claims Etuno is a dialect in one line, and in another line he classified it as a language. Then he didn't add any of the Oshuku Descendants in many other states, and that is the site you quickly rushed to lift and even call it a killer dosage? I am now understanding better that I have been engaging a brainless cranium. It is like quoting Wikipedia as a reference source for very sensitive issue. I knew I have been debating with an inconsistent and self reversing punk anyway.

Do you know that you are an irredeemable ignoramus?
Ethnologue, as a body never classifies Etuno as a language. It was the other website that called Etuno a language.
You see your problem, you act as if you are very educated and I wonder if you really are. When you are being sent a link reference, you do not bother to check the source/credibility of the link, you just click in and click out. This shows you are a stark illiterate. If you attended a tertiary institution, you should have learnt how to check for the sources of any reference material.

Can you show me where Ethnologue classifies Etuno as a language?

Ethnlogue allows you to join the conversation (which means to comment about the page) and not for you to edit the page as Wiki allows. Only a foool like you compares Wikipedia which has a disclaimer at not being an authority to Ethnologue which is an authority when it comes to Ethnicities, albeit the world's most renowned one.

So, if you are truly an Etuno person, an adult as I doubt you are, go and tell your leaders that the world's most renowned authority in ethnic classifications classifies your people as Ebiras!

Can you see how far you are going with your shamelessness + madness + stupidity combined? You are now rubbishing Ethnologue (the world's most trusted and renowned ethnic classification body) just because they do not suit your stupidity.

Gosh, the earlier I end this conversation with you the better for me, cos to think of it I am actually downgrading my reputation and intellect arguing with a madman like you.

Who knows who you will go ahead to rubbish very soon? The federal govt authority? The American govt? The Bible? Your father? The Otaru of Igarra?

Story! They are no longer close but, according to you in an earlier comment, you would have preferred them if not for certain temporary challenges? If Nasarawa, Niger, Kogi, Kwara according to you, added to the likes of Adamawa, Taraba, still love Hausafulanis, then exactly which states left to make up the majority that are no longer close to Hausafulanis? All your attempts to separate yourselves from Hausafulanis will always hit the rocks. If you were really not somehow the same with them, then why did you ever identity as them, speak their language, bear their names, build your houses like them, vote massively for them in elections, dress like them etc?

Yes the majority of us middlebelters are no longer close to Hausa fulanis and religion is the main dividing factor. How is that wrong with me saying if my people were muslims, we would have blended with Hausa fulanis? Is that not the truth?
Can't you see how stupíd you are? Since when has a dividing issue as religion become a TEMPORARY challenge? Religion has divided families into different countries/nationalities and a nincompóop like you calls it a temporary challenge? . You are worse than a clown.

I did not say the entire Nasarawa or Kwara or Kogi still loves Hausa-fulanis, rather I said the muslims in these areas.
Are you suffering from Myopia? Can't you see why I always call you a manipulative psychopath? And who are you to conclude that the majority of Taraba & Adamawa love Hausa fulanis when the majority of both states are christian tribes no different from Plateau people?

Do you know that currently the people of WUKARI (the largest town in Taraba state) does not allow muslims inside the town? They are only allowed in the outskirts. In Adamawa, there are towns where muslims cannot stay. Are you aware?

By the time you add Benue + Plateau + Southern Kaduna who are overwhelmingly christians, you add Taraba, Adamawa, FCT and Nasarawa tribes who are also predominantly christians. Kogi is a 50/50 while Kwara & Niger have at least ⅓ of their population as christian. I have not even added Southern Borno, Southern Gombe parts of Southern Bauchi & Southern Kebbi tribes who are also predominantly christian. Who then is the majority? When you don't know something, don't talk like a fóol.

We never identified as Hausa fulanis point of correction. We identified as Arewa people (which means northern people). Hausa language was forced all over northern region by the British. Most of the so called 'Hausa names' we answer are not even Hausa names, they are Arabic names. The Kaftans and Babanrigas are not owned by Hausas, they are of general Sahelian origin, that's why Malians, Nigerienes, Cameroonians, Senegalese and Burkinabes wear them too. We build houses like hausas, are you okay? We vote Hausas, so in 2011 when we delivered 7 states to GEJ (more than you Niger deltans), what did that make us? Yorubas who are voting Buhari, what does that make them? You and Igbos voting Atiku nko? You have officially gone mad!

Deadlytruth:
Philosophers say that the truth is an offense but not a sin. If you want to be hated called names, take it upon yourself to speak the truth however bitter it might be in peoples' ears. Check out those who accuse me of hate and all sorts of things. They are those whose lies I have repeatedly demolished with the truth. You have now joined the club and you will suffer their fate. No one dares me with lies and revisionism and goes free. Above all, those who, like myself, are lovers of truth don't call me names. Some commend me while others just give me likes. More important to me is that nobody here is able to claim that I lie with my posts here unlike you whom every tribe keeps chasing out of their threads. I don't poke my nose into other tribes' threads unlike you.

Lol, you are known to be a shameless liar bros. In that Ibillo thread, your lies were busted times without number.
The problem with you is that you swear with all your might that something does not exist, the next moment, you are given hard undeniable facts, instead of you to shut up and admit your mistake, you go about shamelessly trying to undermine people's opinion. People who have a higher reputation and standing than you immediately have their narratives rubbished by you. Is this not a symptom of madness, shamelesness and stupidity combined?

You were swearing up and down that no Etuno person claims to be Ebira, only for AdeizaPaul to show you a video of your traditional ruler claiming to be Ebira. You rubbished it.
You dared me that no Owan or Akoko-edo person claims Afemai, I showed you the official website of the Owan diaspora in USA addressing their town as an Afemai town. You rubbished it.
The yorubas on that thread made mention of renowned Akoko edo intelligentsia who claimed that they have yoruba origins, you rubbished it. How many more can I mention, yet you have the audacity to call yourself the ambassador of truth? You are an ambassador of shamelessness, madness & stupidity combined.

You have forgotten that in the very first mention you made of me on NL, you bashed Igbos very badly by accusing them of acting the way they act towards other tribes because they never fought wars in the pre-colonial era. You are just a shameless liar.

Let me assume that what you are saying here actually happened. How does this translate to me interfering in Igbo personal issues?
You can only make a point about this when you see me arguing with Igbos on their personal thread about their personal issues like their cultures, language, food, names e.t.c. Especially when they do not in any way make mention of my people in that thread. I can boldy say that something like this has never happened.

What of the Hausafulanis you speak about? Are Hausafulani lands part of the Western Niger Delta or Middle Belt? You don't really proofread what you write before posting.
I have never with my own mouth claim I hate any tribe. But you have claimed to hate Ebiras, Hausafulanis, Igbos, etc. So who actually has a problem between you and me?

If you are not an ignoramus, you will know that in the Nigeria of today, my people and Hausa-fulanis share the same geopolitical zones, we share states, heck we even share local govt areas and council wards!

I do not like Ebiras (which I said) is not synonymous with 'I hate Ebiras' which you are now forcing into my mouth as the manipulative psychopath that you are. Hate is a stronger word which I never used.
You have now added Igbos. How and where have I claimed dislike for Igbos? Show me or forever remain the nincompoop that you are.

You are now running from pillar to post out of having boxed yourself to a tight corner. For a place to come under Jihad and to get conquered by the Jihadists are two different things. If a place comes under Jihad, like Etsako did, and ended up not having an Emirate, then it means the Jihad didn't conquer them.
A Jihad is, in principle, an expansionist imperialist project, so how does it make sense for an expansionist army to successfully conquer a new territory and refuse to impose its own system of governance there? You are not making sense at all.


Shouldn't all these rather tell you that these tribes weren't actually conquered by the invading Jihadist army?

You are now cooking up new lies to cover old ones.

You know the place is still an emirate or offshoot of an Emirate when u look at the culture of the kingship and royaltues. The Waziri of Auchi, the Ciroma of Auchi, Hakimis & Magajis e.t.c

Just see how you went about celebrating and spitting everywhere claiming that you know something with your claim of Auchi not being a pure offshoot of the Emirate just because it does not use the EMIR title. Ignorance is truly a disease.
If these are actually all Emirates, then why don't they have an arrangement by which they all pledge allegiance to the Kano Emirate or Sokoto Caliphate while supposedly conquered them? The Otaru of Auchi and all these other title holders under him pay homage to only the Oba of Benin. Why not Emir of Kano since his seat is an offshoot of the Northern Emirate as you would have your readers believe? Why doesn't the Kano or Sokoto Emirates have a key role to perform during installments of these other monarchs if they are truly offshoot Emirates of Kano or Sokoto?
I pray you find the grace to stop lying in broad daylight.

Ignoramus. For a place to be conquered by jihad and come under jihad is synonymous. It depends on the context.
Nupe land for example came under the caliphate, not by direct military conquest, but by deception, same with Ilorin. Yola came under the caliphate by direct military conquest. They all CAME UNDER, but by different means. Nupe and Ilorin came under by the same means, but yet Ilorin title is Emir but Nupe title is Etsu and this does not change anything about their subserviency to the caliphate.

The caliphate does not work the way your mind thinks it works okay? Emirates in Nigeria are not necessitated to pay homage to the caliphate or have the Sultan present at their coronations. It doesn't work like that in their culture. To them, these things are done out of freewill but this does not change the fact that they know their hierarchies.
The fact that it works that way in Benin culture does not make it a standard for other cultures.

Besides, ever since the colonial relegations of the power of our traditional rulers, their supremacy has become fluid, unclear and purely ceremonial. So people of a certain area can decide to change things and nobody worries. The Otaru can decide he is not part of the caliphate and nothing will happen, especially if he is backed by the Edo state government who is officially in charge of all traditional activities in the state.

Take for example, the former Attah of Igala did not pay respects to the Aku Uka of Wukari (I think this was because he was a muslim), he even wore a turban like Emirs did. The current one (a christian) pays respects to the Aku Uka and he abolished the use of turban by any Igala royalty. He proudly claims that Igala people are of Kwararafan origin.

The current Pankwal of Bogghom in Plateau state is a muslim and he acknowledges his subserviency as an Emir to the caliphate. He functions as an Emir. If tomorrow a christian emerges as the new Pankwal, he may decide to abolish everything that comes with an Emirate and nobody may be able to do anything about it, if his people are okay with it. Infact the current muslim one may just decide to abstain from identifying with the caliphate and nothing happens unless his people challenge him.
However, a christian may never be a Pankwal because as an Emirate which it functions as, it is forbidden for a christian to take this title.

Can a christian become the Otaru of Auchi? This is one question you will ask yourself to know the roots of the Auchi stoolship.

I heard the Otaru once say in an interview that he is considering changing the way Auchi kingship functions which forbids a non-muslim from being a traditional ruler, considering the fact that so many of his people are now christians as opposed to before. What does this tell you? I can look for the link and post it here if you want to see it.

What do you mean by saying I am cooking up new lies?
Is there no Waziri of Auchi? Can't you see how ignorant you are of the culture of your own people??
For your info, you ignorant idiot. Prof Zakariya Oseni is the Waziri of Auchi.
When I was in a community in South Ibie, they showed me the Magajiya of the community.
Where did all these roles come from? These are all titles of an Emirate if you don't know.

And just for the records, your entire Afemai land was constantly raided and invaded by the Nupes and was rightfully considered a property of the Nupes. This was why Auchi was originally under the Northern protectorate before it was later transferred to the Southern protectorate in exchange for Idah which was under the South and later transferred to the north.

I know you will open your mouth to start arguing and spitting like an epileptic patient if you have never heard of this before and just hearing it for the first time. But if I were you, I would do some research before allowing the diarrhea-hands sickness to manifest

Have you ever asked yourself how Yoruba speaking Kwara south & Kogi west ended up in the North? This was the same reason why! Kwara south was considered a property of Ilorin emirate while Okun land (Kogi west) was considered a property of Bida emirate by the colonialists. Otherwise, these places would have been rightfully part of the south.

Better thank me for these lessons.

Deadlytruth:
The dunce has adjusted his claim again. So the Owan socio political group is an individual person? If not for stupidity on your part, you were arguing with one other moniker that Afemai is not a tribe and you even tried to call my attention to it which I declined to, but here you are again claiming to have showed me where an Owan person identified himself as Afemai even though a socio-political group did that in reflection of the political only application of the term. I said show me where an Akoko-Edo or Owan person described himself as Afemai in the ethnographic sense, you went to bring up one online garbage of a group of politically inclined group. Are you really this daft and moronic?

And can you show me where I ever claimed that anybody was part of Afemai in the ethnographic sense? Show me where I ever said that or forever remain a condemned nincompoop.
For God's sake, how can I ever claim Afemai to be an ethnicity when I even attacked someone here on this same thread who made that claim?

Now that the narrative of the Owan diaspora doesn't suit your delusional mind, it has suddenly become a garbage group. This was a group created by well established and renowned Owan people in the United states, yet see how you are undermining it, just the same way you undermined the narratives of a whole clan's traditional ruler in your own hometown just cos it doesn't suit your desires. Calling you a slowpoke is an understatement.

So you now agree they are Oshuku people and not Ebiras? You are indeed confused.
When I say you know next to nothing despite all your pretentious omniscience, you think I am insulting you. It is known that the Northern parts of Cross River State is peopled by an assortment of tribes so much that in a single LGA there could be as much as ten different indegeous tribes. But this ignorant punk thinks the situation in his home LGA in Plateau is the same everywhere. He thinks that the naming of the LGA as Yala LGA automatically translates to the territory being inhabited by only the Iyalla tribe. It is really difficult to educate you because you are too presumptuous and unteachable. Rather than ask for further expatiation on what seems new to you, you just jump into conclusion that the person is wrong or that he is referring falsely to what you already know. You are just like a student who once approached me to teach him how to read. When I wrote "Span" and asked him to pronounce it. But just because he hadn't heard the word span before but was used to hearing Spain, he thought I wanted to write Spain but mistakely removed the letter 'i' so he pronounced it as 'Spain'. This is the kind of person you are.
You just keep displaying daftness and very poor conversation skills without knowing it.


I thought you already said you know that I am referring to the Iyala tribe? So why asking for the name you already supposedly know? And moreover, you said they are all called Ebiras. So why asking for their name again when you already know it as such? See how you fool yourself just in a desperate bid to purport that you know others more than themselves?
This is what you should have done in the very first comment you made on this thread in response to my exposition of this issue and you would have avoided roping yourself into this lengthy debate for which you have earned nothing but embarrassment. I am sorry, your asking for the name at this point is too late. Penny wise pound foolish. Doing the right thing at the wrongest time. Moreover, you are asking now not because you are genuinely willing to learn because if you had had your way pulling the Ebira generic name narrative through, you wouldn't have made this demand now. You fool no one. Go and use your avowed ethnographic omniscience to figure out their name and their exact location. I will deny you easy passage on this.
Your likes don't appreciate it when one makes things easy for them. Thank God you already once said on this thread that you do hear some of your fellow Middle Belt Ebira friends say that there are "Ebiras" indegeous to Cross River State just that you have not confirmed it. You can go and do the confirmation now by yourself. Take the pain. Safe journey.

All this plently talk just because I dared you to tell me the name of that your fictitious Oshuku tribe in Cross River state? And you do not know it?
You cannot give me any assignment on Yala cos I know this terrain quite well.

For your info Mr Olodo rabata, Yala as a LGA is not very heterogenous like the others in northern Cross river. It was named after the Yalas because they make up the overwhelming majority of the population and the other ethnic groups there who are the Igedes (Igede-Edi, Itekpa & Gabu) and the Ukelles and Yaches (which I mentioned earlier) are very much related. Yala LGA is basically an extention of Benue (Idomoid ethnic groups).

So, where are these fictitious Oshuku ethnic group of yours in Yala LGA, prove that you are not a shameless idiot.

Who exactly assessed you and certified that you are more enlightened and passionate about ethnographics than the average Idoma man? Just imagine this level of arrogance and self opinionation! You are too full of your dirty and ignorant self. Even if you perceive yourself as such, basic common sense dictates that you let it show through only in debates rather than beat your chest about it. This is just like Christianity which is a thing of action than words. You don't say it yourself that you are a Christian. Rather it is your actions that show it and then people begin to ask you. Once you say it with your own mouth, then you have failed the acid test of being a genuine Christian. Likewise the issue of knowledge. I can see that you generally have a very shallow understanding about life. I am no longer surprised about this because you have said that you were born in the nineties thus still in your mid twenties and therefore still lacking in wisdom.

I was/am a leader of middlebelt fora and this gives me the position to interact with diverse peoples from the region, hear their story and compare it with all my researches. If you have any common sense you would know that it takes only some with a passion for his people to assume the duties that I do.

I can't believe any of these until I hear it from the mouth of an Idoma man. After all you also made postulations about Etsako, Onitsha and Itsekiri people which are outrightly wrong. So save yourself the lecture. May I even ask you how you got to know about the existence of Etulo people if not through Idomas themselves?

Go and do your research if you truly want to know anything cos this is what erudites do. Or are you waiting to meet an Idoma person in a beer parlour joint before you hear from them?

And this is the person who claims to be sincerely seeking information. Why didn't you say the above to your Ebira friends whom you claim you do hear saying that there are "Ebira speaking" tribes in Cross River? Your predetermined mindset will not even allow anyone take you seriously. This was how you argued and argued that there is nothing at all like Oshuku in the first instance only for you to adjust it to not claiming that Oshuku is not an ancestral figure after you were disgraced with the snapshot of the statement of the very person on whom you showered accolades on. If I tell you the name and location of this Cross River tribe now, you would turn around like a deadly chameleon to deny that you never claimed I was taking them for the Iyala tribe.

I argued that there was nothing as an Oshuku ethnic group, yes and I still stand by this. If you mistook this to mean my argument that an Oshuku word does not exist, then that is your mistake and headache not mine.

That you could even make the bolded utterance is enough evidence that you are in a world of alternate reality. If I may ask, were we Nigerians keeping documental records before colonization? Aren't most of our pre-colonial histories oral legends? On your Oduduwa story reference: it is clear that you don't even know the difference between myths and legends. Oduduwas story is a myth hence can't be referenced to prove that oral accounts are not reliable. It is a fairy tale. But there are oral accounts which are actually factual and supported by surviving empirical evidences hence reliable.

Can u define the boundary line between a myth and an oral account?
No oral accout is taken any seriously by any academia or courts unless it can be substantiated by hard physical evidence. So there is a very thin to no line between an oral account and a myth in the Academic and legal world. Your oral accounts belongs to your pockets and yours alone, if there are no physical evidence to back it up.

You can shove this up your presumptuous ass until I hear from an Etulo native.

Wait for an Etulo man to come and meet you in your local beer parlor to tell you about himself and don't go about making researches/inquiries if you really want to know about them as educated and refined people do.

Look at this self deluding punk. Cry me a river. You intially argued that the Oshuku appelation is my own creation and that you had never heard of it hence it is non existent. You only changed tune after I uploaded a screenshot of Adeiza Paul's comment where himself confirmed it despite his own earlier attempts too to deny it in pursuit of the dubious and politically motivated Ebira generic tag narrative. You are a shameless turncoat.
And for the umpteenth time, I have told you that 'Oshuku' is not the name of an individual talkless of it being for a projenitor. It is the name of a group of tribes hence its application as "The Oshuku Descendants' without any sign of possessiveness. Get this into your block head.


What more evidence does one need that all your concern is political correctness? So it takes government documentation for a tribe to come into existence? Before government came I guess there were no recognized tribes, right? Your cranium must really be full of mud. Has any government documented your obscure and extinction threatened tribe which you are so ashamed to create a thread about for people to dissect? The same you preaching unity and national integration to the eradication of tribal consciousness, albeit a dubious one, are again believing that the government should be documenting different tribes as separately recognized entities? Can't you see still that you are a confused hypocrite and inconsistency personified? Dubious unity seeker!

Every ethnic group in Nigeria is highly regarded and documented by either the local, state or federal government. This is why there are official documents that require one to state their individual ethnic groups at different instances.

Yes idiöt. The British were the ones who created/merged/divided/documented/defined most Nigerian ethnic groups to what they are today and the situation handed over to our subsequent governments. This has to be done to avoid people like you who would wake up one morning and decide to create new ethnic groups from the comfort of their bedrooms.

There are about 50 ethnic groups that make up Plateau state. No single Plateau ethnic group is up to 20% of the state's population and mine is among the top 10. So you can see that my ethnic group is not as obscured as yours. My LGA Mangu has the highest population of indigenes in Plateau state. My ethnic group has produce the Deputy senate president of Nigeria for 8 years, what has your influential ethnic group produced?

Mr. Luciferous unity seeker and Chameleonic inconsistency, it is out of place because the background premise of the discussion was about whether the bearing of Yoruba names by some Edo people made them Yorubas any more than the Yorubas' bearing of Hausafulani names made them Hausafulani, and whether the bearing of Nupe names can by some Edos also makes them Nupes, or whether the fact that Yorubas do bear English names makes them white men and women. Then you dived in uninvited to claim that Afemais are Nupes for bearing Nupe names. When asked to substantiate it, you went to cite a single example of a family in South Ibie which you claimed migrated from Bida.
Was the topic about how migration and assimilation changes the ethnic origin of a people or about how the borrowing of names makes a people one and the same? That is why I say that your contribution was totally irrelevant and out of place.

Ogbeni, save yourself all these plenty talk. Can you tell the world what is wrong in me talking about Nupe contribution to Afemai heritage? When truly Nupes contributed so much to Afemai history? Especially when you yourself made mention of this?

A good number of Afemais have Nupe origin, I have said it again, go and kill yourself if this is your problem. Irredeemable fooool.

And you think you have made sense now?
When people momentarily put aside their differences to fight a common enemy, that is not unity at all. It is called strategy or expediency. Are you sure you have ever opened a dictionary before?
Don't Nigerians across all tribes pretend about their differences for up to 90 minutes during international football matches involving Nigeria? Does that translate to Nigeria having attained national unity all of a sudden?
Unity is permanent and built on freedom, justice and equity, and not on the need to pretend in the desire to fight a common enemy or purse a mutually beneficial political course for just a while.
I am not surprised that your perception of unity still revolves around political correctness. Shame on you! All you think about is political basis for everything rather than from a perspective of ideals.

You are worse than a stark illiterate. When has uniting for a common good (which I said) automatically translated to uniting to fight a common enemy? This is why I always call you a manipulative psychopath. You like to interprete things anyhow and force words into people's mouth in order to suit your deluded mind and narrative. Sick soul.

All your thought pattern reveals a very immature mind behind the keyboard.


You said you have the knowledge required to challenge and correct whichever Nigerian makes exaggerated claims about his tribe. If that is not a claim of omniscience, then what else could it be? Chameleon!

Manipulative psychopath. Show me where I ever made that statement or forever remain an idiót to everyone who reads this.

There is a similar pattern running through. The Middle Belt movement is built on the quest to create a single political identity for unrelated tribes. As one of the leaders of the movement, this doctrine has sunk into your subconscious hence your subconscious mind automatically extends it to other people, and that explains why you always argue against any tribe's attempt to assert her difference from another. Just check all your comments here; they are all about forcefully trying to join one people to another regardless of their desires to the contrary. You joined Onitshas and Itsekiris to Binis, you were impressed with Adeiza Paul's futile attempt to merge Ososos with Yorubas, you relished Macof's and Schooleso's attempt to merge Edos with Yorubas, etc. You merged Etsakos with Nupes and Fulanis. You merged Isokos with Urhobos. You even merged Akoko-Edo with Etsako. You have never made any post asserting a tribe as different from another. All you are after is merger no matter how unrelated.

You are suffering from extreme minority insecurities and paranoia like I said before.
So, me saying that some Onitsha and Itsekiri people have Benin origins automatically translates to me merging Onitsha/Itsekiri to Benins. Are you normal at all? How did I ever entangle myself in an argument with a creature like you?
So anyone saying that English people have Germanic origins automatically translates to merging England & Germany? Chai. I need to end this conversation before I get infected.

All these are gabbage still. My point is very simple, and it is as follows:
According to Anthropological principles, an intensely heterogenous society is best governed through a decentralized system as much as possible regardless of how the heterogeneity came about.
You should be providing this basic Anthropological principle wrong if you truly want to counter me. All the Anglo-Saxon narrative is pure dung.
Mention just one ethnically diverse country that has practiced a centripetal form of government and made progress. I mean just one.

Yes, all I wrote appears as garbage to you because you have always had a big problem with the use of analogies.
It is very obvious that only an ignoramus will in a bid to make a point or sound intelligent try to juxtapose the heterogeneity of Nigeria where there are different ethnic groups who speak different languages and practice different cultures/religions with that of the USA where the overwhelming majority of people conform to one and the same Anglo-saxon culture and language regardless of their origins.

If you don't know how to use analogies, you can learn to pop some pills whenever your hand-diarrhea sickness starts manifesting in order to save yourself of shame & disgrace.

Zoharariel:
Exactly! They think it is every ethnicity or race that will accommodate their shenanigans & despicable lifestyles.

When you refuse to discipline your wayward children at home, they would be disciplined by strangers outside your home.

Now, they're calling for "Operation Destroy Your MTN Sims" & "Total Boycott of South Afrikan Businesses".

I wonder if it was their parents that bought me my MTN sim card or DSTV.

When you refuse to conduct yourselves in civil manner like the rest of other Nationals, then be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.

You travel abroad with your primitive & dishonest mentality to dis-virgin our National image through your cocaine-trafficking, fake drugs & armed-robbery business in your host Countries - and then think you can blackmail the FG into coming to your rescue.

Even if Nigeria is a failed state, should that be a justification for their greed & unruly behaviour everywhere they go?

Their people are on death-row in virtually all the prisons worldwide.

Chinese Prisons, Malaysian Prisons, Cambodian Prisons, Indonesian Prisons, Ghanian Prison - and even Benin Republic Prison.

Yet, they refuse to learn.

The Nigerian Army should do the needful. Anybody wey do anyhow, let them see anyhow - Nonsense!

Are you in your right state of mind typing this garbage?

Are you aware that South Africans are killing every Black person on sight who cannot speak Zulu or any native SA language? Not only Nigerians are being attacked. Somalis, Ethiopians, Tanzanians, Kenyans and even fellow Southern Africans like Zimbabweans, Zambians and Mozambicans too. Let's agree that all Nigerians are into crime in SA which is very very false. Are all the other Africans also into crime?

Only someone who is very crazy and a product of a dysfunctional home will type all these junks above. Imagine the gross stupidity. Nigerians and other people commit worse crimes in other countries of the world, but how many times have you seen the masses in those other countries rise up to take the laws into their hands. Let me just hope it is a South African hiding under this identity to type this.

Evercurious:
Where's El Rufai? Not even a single word from these northerners?

Northerners do not really care cos Hausas hardly leave Nigeria elsewhere. Southerners are the ones being killed in SA.

Deadlytruth:
And of what relevance is this submission to the fact under debate that the more decentralized Nigeria is, the better for genuine national unity? Devil's advocacy blood flows richly in your veins. But all the same, another political expediency would have eventually come to get the Middle Belt and COR Regions created. Midwest was created to spite Awolowo because his enemies, Zik and Balewa, were in cahoots. Likewise, Zik and Awolowo later alligned together against Balewa through the UPGA alliance which, if not for broad daylight rigging by NNA, would have won the 1965 Federal election, formed the central government and as well proceeded to spite Balewa and Akintola by creating Middle Belt Region too. In fact if not for Zik's myopic or dubious quest for a phantom one-Nigeria, the AG and NCNC would have formed the government in 1960 and the Middle Belt would have been created first before Midwest. So it was all politics but within the legal framework unlike the military fiat situation imposed on us through the unity seekers.

Imagine all these regional bad bloods against each other and you think all these wouldn't have brought about ultimate chaos and continuous divisions in the end. Same regional govts where the massacre of almost a 100,000 Igbos went on openly. Such would never have happened in a decentralized govt to this extent.
Both the centralized and decentralized govts come with their pros & cons. We could easily praise the decentralized govt like I said, because we did not have enough time to witness it's evils.

Did the agitations for Warri and Anioma States start during the Midwestern Region era or after the creation of Delta State by military fiat which robbed Warri of state capital for Asaba and the subsequent resentment between the Aniomas on one hand and the Urhobos, Itsekiris and Ijaws on the other hand?
If the independence constiution were not abolished by the Unity Seekers, and Delta State were to have eventually been created through its provisions, the location of its capital would have been duly debated democratically hence the decision unanimous while a lot of the other contentious issues tearing the state apart now would have as well been foreclosed through same means. As an example, when Midwest Region was being created in 1963, special provisions were made in the Region's constiution to protect the Akoko-Edo and Warri divisions from being unduly dominated over by the other big tribes. That was how the independence constiution made provisions for forestalling marginalization in any future Region to be created.

Olodo rapata. The agitation for Anioma and Warri states started during the era of the Midwest state after the Nigerian civil war, even before the name was changed to Bendel in 1976, let alone the creation of Delta state. So, what happened that Anioma and Warri people no longer wanted to be in the Midwest under Benin city? Cos nothing changed.

This analogy you are trying to pull is totally irrelevant. We are talking about decentralization within an intact country and you are bringing in the issue of dismemberment of countries? Sudan issue was a total split of the country into two, while our topic of discussion here has to do with creating more subnational units towards preventing the splitting of the country.
Moreover, the South Sudan problem you referred to was not caused by the mere fact that they split from Northern Sudan but because at the point of splitting they didn't sit down to agree on terms of coexistence in the new country they were fighting for. Had they done that, the problems they are having now among themselves would have been unknown.
It is just like how the SS people are rejecting their being included in Biafra not really because they see it as an all together bad idea but because Kanu is just going around marking places for inclusion without consulting anyone for discussion on terms of coexistence in the new country. The independence constiution gave room for discussion of the terms of coexistence by any people hoping to get a new region
created for them and that made the difference from the military constiution through which states and even LGAs were created by soldiers without due process but aimed at pleasing their wives, rewarding their concubines in exchange for sex, etc hence all these complaints of marginalization within them.

This is not entirely true. There was fair consultations by the military of the people involved in the new state. Only that the military's choice overrides all others.
For instance, all stakeholders for the new Delta state agreed that Abraka should be the capital since it was at the boundary between Urhobos & Anioma (the 2 major ethnic groups). Later, Urhobos changed their mind that it should be Ughelli which was vehemently rejected by the Itsekirs & Aniomas, with all these arguments Babangida did the needful worse! In the history of state creations, only Delta, Nasarawa, Taraba & perhaps Yobe did not get the desired capitals the majority of citizens wanted.

That was because the old Northern Region was run democratically through a Northern Region constiution which ensured social justice and equity to a large extent. The agitation began after the unitary military constiution made it such that whichever tribe clinched power at the center carried the day.

This is false. There was nothing like social justice for the minorities in the northern region to any extent. Have you forgotten the Tiv riots of 1964? How did the Fulani northern regional govt handle it?
The north was just quiet and seemed more peaceful then because the Sardauna promoted Arewa unity irrespective of religion, especially for those who spoke the Hausa language.

The joy in getting Benue/Plateau was actually a mirage because the said Benue Plateau State was a child of military fiat. The later severance of Benue State still through military fiat would later prove it.

Like I said before, it all still boils down to the destruction of the independence constiution by the Unity Seekers. Be they Southern Plateau, Langtang people, Nasarawa people, etc crying to get their own state, it is due to the flow of federal allocation from the so called center of unity and not really because they believe in the viability of the state. If we return to the independence constiution in which there is nothing like federal
allocation hence each state has to fend for itself entirely, all these senseless demands for states will stop. Likewise inflation of population by states during census will stop. So anyhow you look at it, this present commedy of senseless demand for new states and even statelets has its foundation on the quest for national unity through which the independence constiution was destroyed and supplanted with this one built around federal allocation. So I am therefore correct to argue that the quest for artificial national unity which you are defending is actually the root of all our problems.

It was because they were in control of the federal allocation which was coming through the constiution of 'national unity' imposed on us by the Unity Seekers. But once Benue got pulled out, the federal allocation they were getting fell in size and power changed hands within the residual state and the control of the allocation slipped off their hands. It still comes back to the issue of forced unity which, according to you, is good and fine.

That is shallow. You should rather ask whether it is even ideal that things must go one particular person's way at a given time if the system were really okay. Why can't we have a system in which where things go depends strictly on who deserves it by virtue of hardwork and innovativeness? No one cries of marginalization in such an environment. We started with such but it all got destroyed by Unity Seekers like you.

See, no matter the consultations and meetings that would be held before the creation of a political entity, it does not guarantee a hitch-free happily ever after. Our founding fathers agreed very well and ruled out a good plan before creating Nigeria, but things still fell out along the way.

It takes a very strong sense of oneness for a section of a political unit not to feel aggrieved when another section of the unit seems or appears to be domimating. The leader of that region must come from somewhere and no matter what, he may be seen to favor his own section more than others, even when that might not be the case.

The political capital must be somewhere and people outside the capital could always feel aggrieved/jealous of the capital not being in their area, especially when they are not of one stock.

You may think it is the allocation/sharing of the Federal government money causing the bad blood between the new states, but no, even in the regional system, a certain section will feel that their collective wealth is used in the development of other people's lands.

For instance, Aniomas and Warri people agitated for their own state because they thought their collective wealth was used in the development of Bini land which to them shouldn't be. These complains never/hardly came from Esans/Afemai cos to a better extent they saw themselves as one people with the Binis. Didn't these same Urhobos & Aniomas agree for the creation of the Midwest region through a plebiscite as you claim?
I have heard Ondo people who complained bitterly and hated Ibadan being their regional capital cos they claimed that Cocoa money which came from Ondo was used in the development of Ibadan. Imagine, and these are people who are of the same ethnic stock, how much more people who do not see themselves as one.
This is why I said eventually, every ethnic group may end up demanding for their own region as you can clearly see with the Bendelites.

Wrong! We currently have 36 somewhat autonomous states as opposed to the former three regions, and the inter ethnic tensions within each state is far less than what obtained back then despite the states were created by military fiat. Imagine how good and pleasant it would have been if these 36 states all got created through democratic/referendum process. Courtesy of the present 36 state structure, the forces pulling Nigeria together far exceeed those pulling it apart. For example, the Biafran secessionist force is seriously weakened by its rejection in the SS states unlike when it found more sympathy hence had a stronger pull in 1967 while the whole area was a single region controlled by one man.
Similarly, someone like Wike is very pro-one Nigeria and therefore always bans IPOB activities in Rivers State, same with some other SS states. But imagine the whole Eastern Region had remained one till today and ruled by an Igbo man who harbours sympathy for Ipob. We would have been closer to disintegration that way. So the more the decentralization, the better for genuine national unity.

You actually contradicted yourself with this paragraph. You praised the nature of the centralized govt by alluding how difficult it is for one man's opinions to be held sway all over unlike what was obtainable under the regional govt.

The people agitating for a new state determine its viability which they must prove in their memorandum of proposal. If they are not sure of the viability of their proposed state and they eventually get it approved for them through a referendum, they they suffer the economic hardship and it would serve as a deterrent to other prospective agitators for a non-viable state. Midwest Region experienced such difficulty for sometime after creation, so they had to bear it all alone, but it brought out the spirit of innovativeness in them for they just had to survive. Another evidence that decentralization stimulates thinking outside the box.


Those who fixed four years for a single democratic term did not make a mistake as it is rightly believed that a really good government doesn't actually need more than four years to prove itself. With the independence constiution, we had six years of experiment which had already showed results that we were on
the right track.

Yes, true, decentralization stimulates thinking outside the box, and I am not against it as much as you may think I am

I thought you were the same person who just claimed that without the help of Zik and Balewa we would not have gotten the Midwest....by implication the Yorubad would not have let go thus as stubborn as Hausas and Igbos who too wouldn't let go of their minorities?
This is why I accuse you of inconsistency and a penchant for adjusting your claims. See one more evidence again?


It still doesn't cut it.

Yorubas still had the outright option of rejecting Midwest independence and allowing everything go into chaos out of stubborness, but they didn't. Hausa-fulanis and Igbos would have likely done this if it were them.
Yorubas did not seem to have much to loose by letting go their minorities, afterall, Bendel was of a much smaller population and landmass than Yoruba land. This is so unlike the North or East where the minorities had a larger landmass and possibly population than the majority. Hausas/Igbos would rather bleed to death than allow the majority of their territory/population go.

Then why are you arguing that Nigeria, with her equally age-long inter-tribal and inter-religious divisions further fuelled by the extant forced unity, should not be broken down at least by way of decentralization of the system translating to autonomy for as many as possible?

I am for full support of decentralization, but in the context of today where all minorities would be separated from the majorities and not in the satanic context that was obtainable decades ago where it had to take a quarrel/bad blood among the majorities for their minorities to be free.

abdulwastecx:
I am Yoruba and I will always support Yoruba presidency but let us tell ourselves the truth, Jonathan was a million times better than Buhari. In fact, is the worst democratically elected president we ever had in this country. He is completely daft and lacks the most rudiments skill required to lead a country. If not for the religious bigotry nature of the Muslim north and the selfishness of Tinubu and ACN of the southwest, Buhari will never have been elected president of Nigeria.

The feudal system is what is killing the north, the elite in the region is to be blamed not the common man in the street, the elite has used a combination of poverty, illiteracy, religion to completely destroy the family structures of average core northerners. They will continue to do vote slowpoke into a position of authority if we continue to practice the centralized system of government.

El rufai is an ethnic bigot that is very egocentric, no one can trust him with the power he will always bite the find that feeds him. Atiku brought him into the limelight but he later betrayed him, he will still betray Buhari if given the mandates. On his own, he doesn't have the money and popularity to run for president.

Tambuwa is a lightweight, he can't even win the primary of PDP.
Kwankoso has the popularity but doesn't have the money and popularity outside core North, he is attractive to even the northern minority not to talk of southerners.
Atiku is the real deal, he has the money, popularity and he is generally accepted in the middle belts and southern Nigeria, he can also divide the vote in the core north since Buhari is not running.

The game-changer for the Yoruba will be to present a progressive man like Fashola and reach out to the middle belters, SS and south-east.

I personally will vote for a Fashola or Atiku.

Very great submission. The only part I disagree with you is the Kwankwaso being attractive to northern minorities. Maybe muslim northern minorities but not christians. Kwankwaso is a known religious bigot.

Atiku is the only northern muslim who is attractive to northern minorities cos he is detriabalized and not a religious bigot.

abdulwastecx:
Stop overrrating Hausa-Fulani.
Talking about Niger, I am very conconversant with Niger state politics, I have been living there all my life. There is zoning in place between the three geopolitical zones in the state, namely, Niger north (kotongora and environs, Niger east ( zone B: suleja and Minna) and Niger south (zone C: Nupe zone). Though, the Nupes are the overwhelming majority but decide to allow for zoning to allow for peace and unity.

In 1999, Kure a Nupe man was the governor, he rules for 8years. In 2007, it was the turn of zone C and, Talba (who was born in Minna, with gwari mother and Hausa father ) contested against a gwari Christian in the person of David Umar, he won simply because he was a Muslim. Religion always plays a part in Niger state politics, not ethnicity.

2015 was the turn of zone C and the region produce 2 candidates in the person of Sani Bello and Nasko. Nasko won and he also won reelection for the second term. I am assuring you coming, 2023 a Nupe man from Bida will be the governor.

Talking about Niger state, the Nupe dominate the state from civil service to academics, judiciary, health etc. Niger state is actually overwhelmingly dominated by the Nupes.

And what tribe is Sani Bello? Is he not a Hausa man?

Are Hausas the majority in any of the zones that they should be representing Niger east and Niger north when the governorship goes to these areas?

Do you know that if Niger state is divided into 3 today according to the geopolitical zones, a Hausa man can never be governor in any of them?

Yes, power will go to Nupe next, but that does not mean that Hausas did not rule Niger state for 16 years in a row, when they do not even have 1 single LGA in which they dominate. But Nupes with 8 LGAs cannot do this! Gbagyis with 7 LGAs are yet to produce a governor. So what are you saying?

candidtalk:
Bro, the only thing constant in life is change. To that extent Yorubas remain ready to learn lessons that will help us change for the better and to the benevolence of generations to come. We are not going to refuse to mount a challenge or give up without so much as a whimper, as Igbos are doing, because we doubt our own ability to compete and hold our own against others. If we go with the thinking of Igbos then we should all just let Hausa/Fulani do what they want with Nigeria till they see it fit to throw the rest of us some crumbs. No way will the Yorubas accept that.

I wouldn't blame the Igbos for deciding to support the North against you guys after what happened in 2015.

The Igbos know that if they bring out their own candidate under the PDP platform and APC fields a yoruba, they stand no match. Cos the Hausa fulanis will definitely support a Yoruba over an Igbo if given the option...
So they feel it would be better to support the north against you guys.

candidtalk:
We will see sha. I feel the Hausa/Fulani will be exposed as overrated ala the saying "evil thrive when good men do nothing" . I am very sure the Yorubas will never sit and do nothing if the North decided to arrogate upon itself the right to be absolute and indefinite rulers of Nigeria. SW backed the APC North to gain from such backing and commitment from the APC Northern faction of the Party. If the North now wants to pay back with treachery, following the noise of hawks like El Rufai and co who wan't to reap where they have not sown, then I say bring it on.

"Ko si nko ti on bo lati oke ti ile o le gba". Nothing coming from the sky that the ground cannot withstand. Yorubas are not Igbos to just concede victory to the North, today, tomorrow and for the next 50 years because of population claim. We paid our dues and will device a way to ensure our ideas about leadership impacts on how we want to live as a people.

No wahala, make we dey watch.

Elrufai did what no other Hausa fulani governor would have dared to do in Kaduna state, a muslim muslim ticket, but he got away with it and nothing happened. What he did even shocked many Hausa fulanis themselves, but they supported him overtime. The likes of El rufai abound in the north, let's just hope their voices don't drown that of the other Hausa fulanis who believe in a fair play. Cos at the end, the Hausa masses would still support them.

Surprisingly, Southern Kaduna people are a people who are more fierce and warlike than the Yorubas. In 2001, they brought the whole north to a standstill by resisting Sharia in Kaduna state which lead to a conflict that claimed 5,000 lives and divided the mighty Kaduna city along religious lines till date.
They could easily have started another crisis again but sometimes people are just tired of regular bloodshed.

Anyway, everything now is in Buhari's hands. I just hope people like Elrufai will not influence Buhari negatively.

Hausa fulanis are ever ready to dare you to a fight cos their leaders know that they have a large illiterate mass who will be ready to go immediately orders are given.

UdechiHD:
Yoruba's are sophisticated, they won't listen. Igbo hate is just their satisfaction. They are already walking into their political Golgotha with much vigour.

Hmm, leave them. I am just watching the likes of happney65 and Candidtalk.

Do you know that Hausa-fulanis are just like 5% of the population in Niger state? Yet they produced 2 governor in a row and are about ruling the state for 16 years on a stretch, something which the Nupes & Gbagyis who are the majority in the state cannot do!

How do they do this? By jamming the heads of the natives.

If not for TY Danjuma, Fulanis would have taken over Taraba state by constantly jamming the heads of Jukuns & Mumuyes against each other.

Even in Plateau state where these people are an inconsequential minority, they still manage to jam the indigenes' heads against each other for favorable positions.

Yorubas will learn their lesson openly very soon, if they are not careful.

candidtalk:
Bruv, politics remain a game of numbers and I am not at all suggesting Yorubas have the numbers to defeat the North. My submission is that we have the clout to do so because of our vision and actual importance to Nigeria. Even the Igbos who despise the Yorubas will not continue to feel that way if the North monopolise power to the detriment of us all.

May be sweet victory for Igbos that Yorubas are defeated in 2023 but will that remain the case in 2031 when another Northerner is about to be sworn in after 16 non-stop years of Northern rule and Fulani/Hausa dominance of Nigeria? Igbos may welcome this but Yorubas will undermine that monopoly because we have the clout and determination to do so.

We can subscribe to power sharing but we will not let a section of the country dominate in leadership thinking and direction for 16 years or more because of 'numbers'. Rather you will see Yorubas do what Igbos have not being able to. I.e raise a Yoruba-centred republic within Nigeria without the shout of secession or a bullet being fired. It is not very difficult to live how you wish to in Nigeria if Governors of a region are committed to a single vision.

The Igbos may not mind if the North continues to hold on power as long as they get the 2nd position, which is something they haven't even had in a very long time, so just forget it if that is your hope.

See, Yorubas cannot form a Yoruba-centered republic that will undermine the Northern federal influence as long as the Igbos are in full support of the north.

Don't undermine these fulani people oo, they are snakes. We are talking about a people who conquered and keep on ruling Hausa land, Nupe land and Ilorin without bloodshed, just by treachery and deception and using these indigenous people against each other.

Yorubas will suffer exactly what the Igbos are suffering today, albeit worse. The Igbos even had a soft landing because they are intertwined with the Niger-delta and the core-north knows the Niger delta has what it takes to cripple the nations economy within a month if the region is troubled/pushed to the wall.

It won't be difficult for the Northern govt to create policies that will undermine and diminish Lagos and take all the traffic that Lagos enjoys today to Port harcourt. See, just pray that Yorubas will not witness an alliance of the North & Igbos. It would be too costly.

happney65:
Yeye.I have asked you were there an agreement to support so so and so person in the 2015 election and the agreement was not abided with?Look let me tell you something you dont know..In democracy majority carries the vote.How many is the voting block of the SS/SE?You mean the SE that did not even come out to vote massively for their son in the last elections?seat down there and be playing ethnic politics.. If the North decides to hand over the APC ticket to a yoruba man come 2023,it is yoruba's that will win except if the north decides otherwise.At least till the 2023,5 Yoruba states will be controlled by the APC

Sit down there playing ethnic politics,If you want to win you go for the jagular..something Tinubu and co did with Buhari even though they knew Buhari was a disaster..

Unfortunately for you, if the north decides not to allow a Yoruba win and they get the support of the Igbos, it is finished for the south forever. The north would have mastered the art of manipulating the south.
Then watch how the north holds on power forever and teases the dogs (Yorubas & Igbos) for Vice presidency time after time and gives it to the dog who licks them the most.

Perhaps this will happen until the south comes to her senses and unite themselves.