₦airaland Forum

garfield1:
It is the same thing na.when the british counted,they hausas were still the largest so lets rest this matter

Yes, this is because the British counted most of the hausanized fulanis too. These people have started intermixing long before the British came.

garfield1:
I cant agree with this.lets go into estimates based on 2006 population.katsina had 6 million,fulanis cant have more than one million,in kebbi,fulanis cant have more than 500k like in sokoto and zamfara.in kano,fulanis cant be more than 2 million,jigawa,they cant be more than 500k.in kaduna,there not more than 200k.i haven't even factored in bauchi,niger etc.hausas are slightly more

Hahahaha, you are wrong. Yes fulanis cannot be more than 500k in Kebbi state, but what about the Zurus, Kambaris & Zarmas?
Oh, you think Kebbi is just a Hausa & fulani state?

Zurus or Dakarkari or Lelna are the 2nd largest tribe in Kebbi state, dominating 4 LGAs and they are mostly christian.
Kambaris who are mostly christian too dominate Ngaski LGA while Zarmas have many areas in northern Kebbi like Arewa Dandi and co. Then, Shangawa in Shanga LGA.

Infact Hausas may not be up to 50% in Kebbi state if care is not taken.. Same thing with Kaduna.
Hausas in Bauchi & Niger state are not up to 10%, maybe like around 5%. They are all settlers.

Are you aware that Zamfara, Kano, Jigawa & even Sokoto have some minority tribes? Although they are not more than 10% in each.

Only Katsina is the 100% Hausa & fulani state.
Then if you remove fulanis and hausanized fulanis from these states. Kano, zamfara, Jigawa & Sokoto would be like 65- 70% Hausa, Katsina like 80% Hausa. Then Kebbi & Kaduna (like 40% Hausa), then other northern states like 1-5% each. Where then is their population? They would barely be up to 30 million. Maybe like 25 million.

Yujin:
This is exactly what I've been saying all through the years. Where are the Hausas they're talking about? It's a rubbish statistics. Christians are a majority in Nigeria. If not for the hatred against Igbos in Nigeria, all these rubbish won't have been seen in Nigeria. Today all Christians are suffering because of the gang up against Igbos.

You are quite correct.
The natural leadership of christians in Nigeria rests in the hands of Igbos (as the largest christian population).

The core-north has succeeded in pitching all other Nigerians to be against Igbos and this is why christians will always be 2nd class in Nigeria even though we are the majority.

This is similar to what happens in Nasarawa state where the Eggons (who are the most hated tribe in the state) are the largest tribe in the state and are predominantly christian.

One thing Igbos & Eggons have in common is pride, arrogancy, a rugged, cunning, unaccomodating, discriminating, domineering and a loud nature.
This is what turns of the other christian tribes and makes them easily manipulated to hate you people.

scholes0:
The misconception stem from the fact that firstly Ebiras and Okuns never sit in the same boat on political issues. As a result, the igalas always deliver bloc votes for their candidates and most times will always win. Over the years this has been misconstrued by people to mean that Igalas are the majority in Kogi, when in actuality the Igalas are a plurality (single largest individual ethnic group in the state) but not a majority of the population. Just like Urhobos in Delta.
Tivs in Benue are a real majority, and can single handedly decide the fate of elections even if all the other ethnic groups vote against. Igalas can't single handedly decide the political fate of Kogi if Kogi central and Kogi west have a unanimous voice, but that might never happen.

This coming election will also show that same pattern.

Pls, are you from Kogi state? Can you tell why the Ebiras & Okuns can never unite against Igala?
Both of them have been together in the same political entities for decades, how come they still can never agree till now?

scholes0:
Unless a truly sincere census compete with ethnic information is carried out in Nigeria, we will never truly now the positions of Nigerian ethnic groups with regards to population, but the truth is that the Hausas are scared to death about the prospects of a census with ethnic information, because so many tables will be broken to pieces.

Kebbi isn't a pure Hausa state
Kaduna will be a shocker
Jigawa has a large Kanuri minority of Mannga extraction.
Meaning only 4 of 7 (Katsina, Sokoto, Kano and Zamfara) are over 95% Hausa and Fulbe
Now, in the case of an ethnic census of these states some Fulanis will NOT self identify as Hausa and herein lies a huge problem. All those Lamidos and Dikkos, Bellos, Tukurs, Yeros, Sambos, Danfulanis, Baffahs/Bappas, Bappayo/Babbayos, Yugudas, Barkindos, Gidados, Jungudos Etc etc will all instantly become Fulani.

In the North East Zone.
Gombe is a majority minority state plus a plurality of Fulbe with hausas hiding under them.
Adamawa is also a largely state of Minorities with a prominent Fulani ruling class plurality with Hausas hiding under that. (similar to Gombe)
Taraba is also similar to the two above but with a smaller and less prominent Fulani component
Bauchi isn't a homogeneous state either with Hausas, Fulbe, Kanuri Bole, Jarawa, Warja etc being there.
Yobe and Borno are largely Kanuri with a host of minorities in Southern and Eastern Borno (Bura Pabir(Babur), Shuwa, Marghi, Buduma/Yedina, Chiboku, Mandara numerous others), and western Yobe being mostly Kare-kare, Bade and Ngizm. (Pottiskum and co)

So realistically speaking Yorubas or Hausas or even Igbos could theoretically be the largest ethnic group in nigeria.
BUT realistically Igbos are most likely 3rd with the Yorubas (1st or 2nd) and Hausas being (1st or 2nd), and Fulbes being 4 and Tiv or Kanuri being 5th/6th although I am betting on Tiv because of the ethnic breakdown of Borno and Yobe which i already highlghted above but which many people aren't aware of)

The CIA re dead wrong, sorry. Urhobos are even more than Igalas lol and they are not on the list. Also I am pretty sure their 'Ibibio' means Ibibio + Efik + Annaŋ + Ekid (Eket) +Oro (Oron) + maybe even the Andonis/Ibeno.

I was just laughing a few years ago when Ijaws were parading themselves as the 4th ethnic group in Nigeria. Una doh!

cc: Iamgrey5 , garfield1 , Nowenuse

Great analysis!

Hmm, I don't think Urhobos would be clearly more than Igalas unless of course you add Isoko to the Urhobo population.

2ndly, like I was telling garfield. If fulanis are the 4th largest tribe in Nigeria, then Hausa cannot be the 1st or even 2nd. They would be the 3rd.
This is because the Hausanized Fulanis of the Northwest are something close to 10 million. If you remove them from Hausa population, then Hausa shrinks significantly and cannot compete with Yoruba & Igbo.

Between Yoruba & Igbo, it is very very difficult to tell who is the largest.

Yujin:
Most of what you wrote is correct but as for saying 'realistically' Igbos will be the third largest is a big fallacy. The threat of the huge Igbo population was one big factor for the hate in the north in colonial times and even during the war. Igboland had by far the highest population density in sub-saharan Africa

garfield1:
Dont you think ebira and okun are equal since both control 5 lgas.

Ebiras control 4 LGAs in Kogi central. They are also like 40-50% of the population in Lokoja & Kogi LGAs. What of the ones in FCT & Nasarawa?

Wait, are you counting only Ebira taos as the Ebiras?

garfield1:
You have to count them as so because all known laws globally supports it.now,an adult has a right to choose whichever name he wants to be called,change dates of birth arbitrarily.as far as one dwelled among a certain tribe for many years,aacculturated,speak same language and decides to be of that tribe,he is of that tribe.even in calabar city,most efuts and quas now identify as efiks.you cannot now change goal post in the case of the hausas because of religion.

You are making a mistake in your bolded.

The tribes of the north who are undergoing Hausanization do not live in Hausa land. They live on their own ancestral lands but hausa influence came on them.

It is only the fulanis of the Northwest who settled in Hausa land.

This whole fulani issue is just very confusing.
Even in the north-east, the fulanis there mostly settled amongst other tribes. It is just that the tribes in the northeast are too small and divided to influence fulani culture to change. However, some still do.

Atiku for instance claims to be from Jada LGA. That place is Chamba land and most of the fulanis there also speak Chamba.

As for the Bauchi tribes, so you mean a Gera christian who still speak Gera and believes he is Gera should be counted as Gera, while his distant muslim cousins who have been muslims and only speak Hausa should be counted as Hausas? It doesn't add up.

Or a Warji person who he and his parents only speak Hausa should be counted as Hausas while their grandmother in the village who can still speak Warji language should be counted as a Warji? Or should everyone be counted as Hausas even when they feel they are not?
Does it add up to you?

garfield1:
Yorubas are 50% 55 percent christians.not all indigenous tribes in lagos and ondo are yorubas but we classify them as yorubas due to yorubanization.infact,some historians claim that the ijebus and aworis were originally mot yorubas

Most Yoruba subtribes of today never identified as Yorubas before the British came. It was the British that carried out the merger. They classified similar people together when it suits their interests, while in places like mine (Plateau state), they divided all of us further, so that we will never be a threat to Hausa hegemony in the North.

Only Badagry people and the Ijaws and Edo speaking tribes in Ondo are not originally Yoruba.
Yes, true, many of them are identifying as Yoruba today, but these people are not very many. All of them combined are not up to a million.

sapoyoro:
yes..Lagos ijebus are majority Muslims.my mum family is one..
and ur second paragraph,Lagos ijebus are staunchly Muslims,it will be a long time before things like massively converting even happens..its one of the few last strongholds of Islam in yorubaland,thats how much serious they take the religion
Osun on the other hand? I don't see those ones as even serious religiously,you can be in church today and go to mosque tommorow and go to Ogun's shrine the 3rd day..and among osun people the rate of intermarrying BTW both religion is very high..but muslims are still the majority..slightly because more Muslims convert than xtians

Hmmm, Lagos ijebus staunchly muslim. This is interesting and surprising.

garfield1:
Lgas are the best estimators.can you pinpoint the lgas nudes dominate in niger and the ones gwari dominate in niger and kaduna

Nupes dominate

Bida
Agaie
Lapai
Gbako
Katcha
Lavun
Edati
Mokwa & I think
Mashegu in Niger state

While Gbagyis dominate
Bosso
Chanchaga
Paikoro
Shiroro
Gurara
Munya
Tafa
Wushishi and parts of Suleja

While in Kaduna state, they only dominate Chikun
and are found in parts of
Kagarko &
Kajuru LGA.

Oh! They originally own Kaduna north & South LGAs, but hausas have stolen lots of it from them.
Then Birnin Gwari LGA were originally Gbagyi people but they accepted Islam long ago and today they have become Hausas.

garfield1:
Please dont misunderstand me.i never said ibibios are indigenous to cross river,i said there the largest non indigenous tribe in cross river.the mistake you make is counting ethnicities only in their original homeland,no you must count areas they are settled in large numbers also.
ishans and ebiras cannot be up to 2 million.kogi was 3.2 million as of 2006.half of kogi is igala thats 1.6.leaving the okun and ebiras to share the remaining 1.6.if you estimate their growth rate at 2.6 % annually,they wont be up to 2 million.same applies to ishans.by estimation,edo should be 4.5 million now.half or more is made up of binis.the central where ishan inhabit has the least popupation so they cant be up to two million.

Please, do not use the population of a state to judge that of it's indigenes. It's wrong.

The reason is because, some people from certain states and tribes emigrate more than the others.

For example, if you take a census now in Benue state, you will discover that Tivs are like 80% of the resident population. However, if all the Idomas should return back home from Jos, Kaduna, Abuja, Lagos, PH e.t.c. I bet you, Benue would be like only 65% Tiv.
Idomas emigrate a lot far far more than Tivs who tend to be comfortable locally.


A large chunk of Kogi people do not live in Kogi state.
The number of Ebira & Igala people who live in Jos, Kaduna, Kano & Abuja is shocking.
After Igbos, Ebiras are the largest non indigenous group in Yoruba land to the extent that many of them have mixed with Yoruba indigenes in some southwestern states.
Many Yorubas do not know who Igalas are, but almost every Yoruba man down to the most rural areas are familiar with Ebiras because Ebiras are almost everywhere in Yoruba land farming.

Only the Ebiras in Yorubaland & Edo state are more than 1 million and this is something many people do not know.

Egburas (also known as Ebira Koto, Ebira Opanda) are the 2nd largest tribe in FCT, dominating Abaji LGA and also in Toto LGA of Nasarawa state.
Okene is the most populated LGA and town in Kogi state based on the last census. And apart from the Ebiras of Kogi central, you also have Ebira koto who are the dominant group in Lokoja & Kogi LGAs.

Here is another example.
Plateau state was twice the number of Nasarawa state in census. I always thought we were more than Nasarawa people in population, not until I saw the numbers of registered WAEC candidates based on state of origin and Nasarawa state was almost equalling Plateau state and in one particular year, they were even more than us. I was shocked. We go to school equally, so it can never be a question of Nasarawa people are more educated than us. That was when I remembered that so many people in Jos were Nasarawa indigenes even though we have blended together. Jos has been their capital for more than 30 years and many of them settled in Jos.
Many of them have also moved to Abuja to settle.
So, pls, never use the population of people's homelands to judge, it is wrong.


Lastly, there was a census, I think the one of 1923 or 1953 or thereabout (the last ethnic census we had by the British) and I saw it there that Esans were more than Benins in that census.
Many people overblow the Bini population because so many Esans have settled in Benin and adopted Bini, speaking it fluently. Esans emigrate far more than Binis and almost more than any other tribe of the SS. They may have only 5 LGAs, but believe me, they have population close to that of the Benins.

The same thing with the Afemais of Edo north (if you count them as one tribe). Infact, Afemais should even be more than the Benins if counted as one, but they are very divided.
Akoko-edo LGA is arguably the most populated LGA in the south-south that is not a city or part of a city. There are more than 40 towns in that LGA.

Binis cannot be up to 50% of Edo state, Lai lai.
Even 40% is difficult (very narrow).

Same thing with Igalas, they are not up to half of Kogi state. Ebiras & Okuns are all over Ilorin like no man's business. It was their state capital for almost 30 years.

scholes0:
Nope!

I agree with the rest.

TroubleMaker47:
Is Buhari hausa or Fulani?

somehow:
When did Buhari or Zahra become hausa?

MetaPhysical:
Correct!

DennisEche:
Lies, pmb is Fulani not Hausa. Stop insulting his person by saying he is Hausa. An average Fulani's sees Hausa's as lesser being

grandstar:
Her paternal grandfather is Fulani so Fulfide is her language and not Hausa. OP must correct himself

Yusman316:
That's what I don't understand. Hausa and Fulani are two distinct languages, nothing connects them at all other than region.

Buhari is a Hausanized Fulani. Most fulanis of the Northwest have lost their language and culture to the Hausas.
Just like some Ilorin people who claim to be Fulanis, but their language & culture is Yoruba.

garfield1:
Please,stop this nonsense.dont ridicule yourself here.in every town in cross river after the indigenes,the ibibios are the largest.please dont argue this anywhere.even in calabar city,the ibibios are the largest.drop this argument.its only in ikom and maybe ogoja that you find igbos more than ibibios

Most Igbos will not be able to tell the difference between Ibibios & Cross River indigenes, afterall you guys are similar.
This is the mistake people like ConqueredWest and NNEWIsuper are making.

Most Igbos will think they are the largest non-indigenous group in Kano too, cos they cannot easily tell the difference between Hausas & Kanuris. It's like that.

garfield1:
Ogbia,brass and yenagoa are not dominated by ijaws.but since the ijaws are the largest in bayelsa,they are classiffied as ijaws to avoid confusion same thing you accused the hausas of.every tribe is guilty of this assimilation

Lol, you have a good point here.

Many people being called Ijaws in Bayelsa & Rivers are not even remotely Ijaw. But because of Upland & Lowland politics in old Rivers state, all these other tribes accept to be Ijaw today and they are proud of it.

I did my youth service in Bayelsa state and I asked these Epie people the question and they proudly accept to be Ijaws I think it is their choice.
GEJ is an Ogbia man, he accepts to be Ijaw and Ijaws accept him.


As for Hausas ehn, the Hausanization is not and can never be 100% complete unless the minority christians of those areas are evicted.

You see all these Bauchi & Yobe tribes who are loosing their identity to Hausa, it is only among their muslims. Some of these tribes still have few christian minorities in their villages who fiercely reject Hausa identity and still manage to keep the culture and language against all odds.

While for those who are 99% muslim, you still have the old women & men in those tribes in the interior villages still speaking the language.
There is a tribe called BURE in Bauchi state and only 1 old woman alive can still speak the language. All the other Bure people have become linguistically Hausas of course. So should we count these people as Hausas?

It is very dicey.

garfield1:
lets forget about pure hausa or impure hausa.lets look at hausa in general to avoid confusion.forget about whether a tribe are settlers or not in an area,we are looking at their total population in nigeria.if a tribe choose to become hausa,then there are hausa.even among the yorubas and ibos,we have lot of smaller tribes who assimilated into them.if you look at the history of the yorubas,a large part of lagos,ondo,kwara and other smaller tribes were lived at the borderland of yorubaland were originally not yorubas but with years of interaction,they were yorubanized.
If you also look at the history of the igbos,most of the tribes in ebonyi and parts of abia were not igbos but gradually became igbonized over the years.it is common with all large ethnicities,their culture will always swallow and dominate the smaller cultures near them so please leave the controversial aspect of pure and impure.thats why you have a lot of dialects within one ethnicity.
Am aware that hausas do not have a state they wholly dominate but in all the states of the northwest,there the largest group while the fulanis are minorities except in gombe and adamawa and taraba where's there the numerous groups.even in my state cross river,a lot of tribes who are classified as efiks are originally not efik.even in akwa ibom,if you disswct the ibibios,you will be shocked but lets leave that side.

Ibos make up 35% or more of rivers but not delta.the urhobos are the largest in delta followed by the igbo speaking tribes.not all the tribes in delta north are even igbos.lets say 30% or less.so,we go by my estimation.hausas,yorubas and ibos and fulanis.

Here is your mistake in analogy.

The hausanized tribes of today started becoming hausanized at the colonization period of Nigeria which saw to the promotion of Hausa as the de facto official language of the north. It was a government thing.
All these tribes are/were documented as independent tribes on records by the British, so, counting them as Hausas would not be fair.

We in Plateau & Southern Kaduna for instance would have been counted as Hausas today if we were muslims, cos we couldn't have been easily differentiated. Christianity is the only reason we maintained our identities.

As for Yoruba & Igbo, any form of Yorubanization or Igbonization took place before colonialism. It was a natural process, not one which was forced by govt policies. There is no group of people which are identified as Yorubas & Igbos today that were not identified likewise in colonial documents.


If you will count Hausa settlers outside the 7 states I mentioned, then I think you should also count the millions of Igbo settlers and Yoruba settlers accross Nigeria and the world.

Listen to your double standard. Hausas are many today to a large extent because of the Hausanized fulanis in their midst. There is no way you can count hausanized fulanis as Hausas to make Hausas the largest tribe in Nigeria and at the same time count these Hausanized fulanis as Fulanis, to make Fulanis the 4th largest tribe.
It cannot work like this! You cannot count one people twice.

It is either the Hausanized Fulanis are joined to the Hausas and Hausas become the largest ethnic group in Nigeria (while Fulanis become top 10) or the Hausanized Fulanis are added to Fulani population and Fulanis become the 4th largest ethnic group while Hausa becomes 3rd largest after Yoruba & Igbo. Simple.


Lastly, I counted all Igbo speaking tribes of Delta & Rivers as Igbo. Most of these people were counted as Igbos in colonial classifications and not Ikwerres, Ikas or whatever.
So, if you add the Ikwerres, Etches, Ndokis, Ndonis, Ogbas & Ekpeye in 10 LGAs of Rivers state, are you sure they are not up to half of the state?

In Delta state, if you add the Ikas, Ndokwas & Enuanis in 9 LGAs of the state. I think they are up to ⅓ of the state.
Besides, I never said they were the majority in Delta state. Of course the Urhobos are in my opinion, however, Igbo speaking tribes in Delta state are up to ⅓ of the state's population. They can't really be less.

[quote author=Nyamuri post=83493156][/quote]If you are not afraid of a debate, don't make comments inside quotes.
I cannot read those mixed up jargons.

Whenever you are being cornered, you use this strategy

Iamgrey5:
My man relax with this type of talk.

Ijebu majorly Muslim kee or is it because the current Awujale is Muslim?

We have ijebu igbo, ijebu ode, ijebu water side, Epe Ijebu, ijebu remo and ijebu ife

I believe only some side in ijebu Ode have a very large percentage of Muslims.

I think Sapoyoro was referring to the Ijebus of Lagos state and not those of Ogun state.

Lagos indigenes are predominantly muslims originally, but I don't think that is still the case today.

sapoyoro:
lol...Lagos even has more Muslims than osun state..the ijebus and aworis are majority Muslim..
Muslim are slightly majority in sw..despite what you read on media,ondo and ekiti Muslims are not minority,both stated has overwhelming Muslim population...
I agree with the rest of your points.

True, I know Lagos indigenes are mostly muslim, but the conversion rate among them over the years have been very very high.

Another thing is that too many Yorubas from other states now live in Lagos and claim Omo Eko. I think if you count all the Yorubas in Lagos, christians are the slight majority. If you now add the Igbos and SS people living in Lagos, Okpari.

Bro, muslims are a minority in Ondo and much smaller minority in Ekiti, same thing in Kogi west. Most Ondo sub tribes and kingdoms are christian.
Are you aware that most of the muslims in Ekiti are settlers from other Yoruba states? It is difficult to find an Ekiti indigene or indigenous town that is muslim originally.

I think Yorubas are a 50/50 today or slightly majority christian. But as of like 50 years ago, muslims had the overwhelming majority.

garfield1:
There partially right sha but based on my estimation there more kanuris than tivs.am sure there are lumping all efik speaking people like annang,oron as ibibio which is wrong.but nothwithstanding,the ibibios are top ten.they dominate akwa ibom.there the largest non indigenous tribe in cross river and 2nd largest in rivers.i think the igalas should be between 1-1.5 million.nupes and gwaris should be between 1.5- 2 million same as urhobos.ibibios are above 2 million.ijaws are the 6 or 7 largest between 3.5-5 million.

Yes you are right. Kanuris could be more than Tivs.
Please, there are no Ibibios in Cross River state. It is the Efiks that are in Cross river.
If Ibibios are on their own, they would be at the level of Igalas, Idomas, Urhobos, Bini BUT if they are merged with the Efiks, Annang & Oro, they would be at the level of Tivs & Kanuris.

For me, I think Igalas, Gbagyis, Nupes, Urhobos, Idomas, Binis and even Esans & Ebiras are around 2-3 million people each.
While Ibibio-Efiks, Kanuris, Ijaws & Tivs are around 5 million people each.

gidgiddy:
The fourth largest ethnic group? It has to be between Ibibios, Ijaws and maybe Kanuri

I dont think Tiv is large enough to make the 4th list

Did you just say MAYBE KANURI?

Southerners do not know the north and that is the problem.

Kanuris are the only minority group in Nigeria that always produce 2 governors unchallenged.
Kanuris are the majority in Borno & Yobe states and minorities in Bauchi & Jigawa states. They dominate like 30 LGAs in 4 different states.
Ijaws on the other hand dominate only 1 state and about 22 LGAs in 6 different states.

kotv:
All the people commenting are contradicting themselves yet, claiming they know what they are talking about. I even saw someone mention that Tiv and Kanuri are more populated than Ijaw. There's too many children on this website

gidgiddy:
The fourth largest ethnic group? It has to be between Ibibios, Ijaws and maybe Kanuri

I dont think Tiv is large enough to make the 4th list

My brother, you don't know Tiv oooooo!
Tivs spread like wildfire just like the Fulanis. If not for Jukuns, Tivs would have almost overtaken Taraba state. These people are almost everywhere in Taraba. They are the strongest minority in almost every LGA of the state.

Same thing in the Southern parts of Nasarawa state and even Northern Cross River.

People consider them as non indigenes but they are in those places.

Tivs have ethnically absorbed the Etulo people (An Idoma speaking people), and many Igede people now speak Tiv as a fluent 2nd language and even 1st language.

Tiv towns are heavily populated and even in 2006 census, Tiv LGAs showed high population.
A LGA like Gboko up to 500,000 people and almost everyone there is Tiv. It is not the capital or even close to the capital Makurdi.

Tivs have not been in present day Nigeria for more than 500 years, but see how they managed to displace and cut off Kwararafan tribes with their spread. They are a people of Bantu origin and I don't think I need to remind you about the GREAT BANTU EXPANSION.

garfield1:
You again.i dont have the energy but i agree with you that christians are slightly more than muslim but you must agree with me that hausas alone without fulanis are the largest group followed by the yorubas and ibos at 22%,20% and 18%.the fourth largest are the fulanis at about 10%.fifth should be kanuris before the tivs.the ijaws are next before ibibios,nupes,igalas,gwaris,urhobos,binis not far behind.please dont argue with this.

As for Hausas being larger than Yorubas and Igbos. It depends if you include the Hausanized fulanis of the Northwest and the Hausanized tribes of Bauchi as Hausas.

Otherwise, if you do not include the Hausanized Fulanis and Hausanized Bauchi tribes, then there is absolutely no way that the pure Hausas alone can outnumber the Yorubas & Igbos.

See, only 5 states of Nigeria have Hausas forming up to 90% of their population and these are (Sokoto, Zamfara, Kano, Katsina & Jigawa). Then you have (Kebbi & Kaduna) where Hausas are up to 50% each. Full stop!
Every other state you find Hausas in Nigeria, they are settlers and not aboriginal to those places.
Mind you, these 7 states I mentioned above are also shared heavily by Hausanized Fulanis and even Pure Fulanis.
Considering something like this. How then on earth can pure Hausas be more than Yorubas & Igbos?

Emyogalanya:
point of order. in all Honesty i think fulani is the fourth largest if you know what i mean. You of all people should know this

garfield1:
Ibos are the third largest.fourth is fulanis if we arent lumping them with hausas.the tivs are more numerous than ibibios and ijaws or maybe equal

Fulanis can only be the 4th largest in Nigeria, if you are including the Hausanized Fulanis of the Northwest. Otherwise, if it is just the Pure Fulanis of the Northeast and the herdsmen, they cannot be more than Kanuris, Tivs, Ibibio-Efiks e.t.c

And if you want to include Hausanized Fulanis as Fulanis, then Hausa ceases to be the largest ethnic group in Nigeria.
These things are simple things. Many people don't know the demography of the North and that is why they overrate the Hausa population.

Just like the Hausas, Igbos have 5 states and 35- 50% of the population in Delta & Rivers states.
Yorubas have 6 states + 75% in Kwara & 20% in Kogi.

Pure Hausas can never ever be more than both tribes. Don't let anyone deceive you.

garfield1:
You again.i dont have the energy but i agree with you that christians are slightly more than muslim but you must agree with me that hausas alone without fulanis are the largest group followed by the yorubas and ibos at 22%,20% and 18%.the fourth largest are the fulanis at about 10%.fifth should be kanuris before the tivs.the ijaws are next before ibibios,nupes,igalas,gwaris,urhobos,binis not far behind.please dont argue with this.

My friend my friend.
I agree with your analysis of the minorities.
Kanuris truly come first before Tivs, then Ijaws and Ibibio-Efik cluster.

However, I think Gbagyis should come first before Nupe & Igalas.
Nupes can only be equal to Gbagyis if you include the Nupe speaking tribes like Bassa, Kakanda, Kupa, Ganagana & Dibo (found in Kogi, FCT & Nasarawa). Some people from these tribes reject Nupe identity and some accept.

Gbagyis are the majority in 15 LGAs of Nigeria and minority in 5 LGAs.

Nupes are majority in 11 LGAs of Nigeria while Nupe speaking tribes are majority in 1 LGA and minority in 3 LGAs.

Igalas are majority in 8 LGAs and minority in 3 LGAs.
If you include the 6 Igala speaking towns across the Niger in Edo, Delta & Anambra and the ones in Enugu, then Igalas become a minority in 8 LGAs.

Many Kanuris (in Bauchi & Jigawa) and Gbagyi muslims in Niger state are heavily loosing their languages and cultures to Hausa and this could be the reason people underrate their populations.

I know LGAs are not exactly a reflection of population, however, they give a great picture.

pazienza:
According to CIA book of facts, the Hausa-Fulani remain the most populous ethnic group in Nigeria by far, constituting over 30% of Nigeria Population. Igbos at 14.1% are the second most populous ethnic group, while the Yoruba at 13.9% are the third.

However, the big surprise is the fact that Ibibio/Tiv at 2.2% each and not Ijaw at 2.0%, are considered the most populous groups outside the traditional tripod.

Additionally, Nigeria is largely an Islamic country , with Muslims making up 51.6% of the population, in contrast to the 46.9% of the Nigerian citizens who are Christians. The other significant group are the traditionists who make up 9% of the population.

Nigeria as you can see from the above figures is an overtly religious country with an insignificant number of agnostic/atheists.



Let the discussions , calculations and permutations begin.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.htm

Also, I am sure these dumb American statisticians must have estimated states like Bauchi & Yobe to be Hausa, otherwise, there is no way Tivs & Ibibios could really be more than Kanuris in the real sense.
Besides, are they counting Efiks, Annangs & Oros as Ibibios? Cos most of these tribes reject and hate to be called Ibibios.

Of course, there is no way Ijaw can be the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria when Tivs & Kanuris are there or if Ibibio/Efiks are considered as one tribe.

Lastly, can Igalas really be more than tribes like Nupe, Gbagyi & Urhobo in population? I doubt.

pazienza:
According to CIA book of facts, the Hausa-Fulani remain the most populous ethnic group in Nigeria by far, constituting over 30% of Nigeria Population. Igbos at 14.1% are the second most populous ethnic group, while the Yoruba at 13.9% are the third.

However, the big surprise is the fact that Ibibio/Tiv at 2.2% each and not Ijaw at 2.0%, are considered the most populous groups outside the traditional tripod.

Additionally, Nigeria is largely an Islamic country , with Muslims making up 51.6% of the population, in contrast to the 46.9% of the Nigerian citizens who are Christians. The other significant group are the traditionists who make up 9% of the population.

Nigeria as you can see from the above figures is an overtly religious country with an insignificant number of agnostic/atheists.



Let the discussions , calculations and permutations begin.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.htm

This statistic is absolute bullshit. There is no way in hell Hausas & fulanis combined can equal the population of Yorubas & Igbos combined, let alone only Hausa being equal to Yoruba & Igbo combined.

Also, muslims can never be the majority in Nigeria.
In Southern Nigeria, only in Oyo & Osun states are muslims up to half/more of the population, meanwhile you have Northern Nigeria where Benue, Plateau, Taraba and FCT are predominantly/overwhemingly christian, and Kogi, Nasarawa, Adamawa & Kaduna states as around a 50/50. Then Borno, Kebbi, Niger, Gombe & Kwara who have at least 25-40% of it's population as christian.

With this, how on earth can muslims be a majority in Nigeria? Americans should shove up that stupid and useless statistics up their asses.

Nyamuri:
You are right that kwarra, kogi other SW state voted for GEJ in 2011 presidential election.. this is the only logical and tangible argument you have made since we started this debate! however, you should be observant and heedful with the phrase "main motive, reason and cause", I didn't use the word "only", I didn't specify "religion" was solely the reason at any point, I just indicated that its the main factor and motivation in people's voting pattern in Nigeria.. I'm very careful with my words, unlike you that makes an argument that contradicts and goes contrary at ample times

Now, on why kwarra, kogi and other state voted for GEJ? That I can't tell for certainty, as they most have their reasons, purpose and objective that is beyond my comprehension in doing it.. but you cant proof your/a point using this attestation, why? Bcoz it's obviously and evidently that they didn't vote for him also bcoz tribe/ethnicity(after all, these 2 stated don't have anything in common with GEJ), you failed to validate ur own argument, all you tried to do was to debunk my point of view without justifying yours.. lol. You refuted my evidence, without proofing yours, who does that?

Why will you know the reason Yoruba muslims, Kwara & Kogi muslims did not vote for Buhari when people like you cannot see outside religion?
Simple. Yoruba & Igala muslims do not play politics based on religion like northern muslims do. They are mostly progressive people who prefer development over religion, unlike northern muslims who prefer religion over development.
You can see Oyo state that has a slight muslim majority, yet they elected a christian governor.
Yoruba and Igala muslims felt that GEJ will bring them more progress, hence the reason they voted him.

Hahahaha you said "In 2001 during the Sharia fracas, core-northern leaders urged Yoruba & Middlebelt muslims to enact Sharia law in their states too", this is another fabrication, fiction and deliberate falsehood that had been part of ur signature and MO since we started this debate, your stories are full of concoction and interpolation hoping to escape my prying eyes.. can you show me evidence they met southern leaders

[b]“Wanting not to be seen as acting in isolation, he instigated imams in other Islamic states in the north to agitate for a full sharia law declaration. In all, 12 states out of the 19 in the north promulgated full sharia law.” Olusegun Obadanjo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailypost.ng/2017/08/11/sharia-nearly-consumed-nigeria-obasanjo/amp/

You even said "They told the core-northernerns that cultural cohesiveness matters to them more than religion!", from this point, I officially now I'm debating with a delusional dimwit and dunce of a boy..how do you think shariah makes u lose your culture and identity beats my imagination!! So the likes of northern Nigeria, Indonesia, Iran, Sudan, Pakistan etc have alk lost their cultural cohesiveness to Arabs right? .. have u noticed how stupid you sound

Yoruba & Igala muslims believe tribe comes first before religion and this is the reason why they and their christians can never fight each other based on religion.
They prefer the cultural cohesiveness they share with their fellow christian tribesmen over their religious similarity with the core-north. So they could never accept Sharia. This was the meaning of CULTURAL COHESIVENESS here. Block head.

And mind you, Indonesia is not a sharia country. That country has the most liberal muslim population in Asia and one of the most liberal in the world. Religion is not included in their constitution even though they are 90% muslim.

Indonesians are very proud of their Hindu ancestry and traditions hence their national symbols are Hindu figures. They still celebrate their Hindu values & culture UNLIKE Pakistanis who murdered their own kinsmen in the partition of India. Pakistanis have allowed religion brainwash them and they have become self hating people. Many of them hate and deny their Hindu origins & cultures and claim to be Arab & Persian by origin and descendants of the prophet
Same with Somalis & Sudanese who will tell you they are not black people, rather they are Arabs and descendants of the prophet. Sudanese went as far as eradicating their native tongues in favour of Arabic.

This is a similar stupidity seem among Hausa fulanis today. You people no longer answer your tribal names rather you will see Hamisu Abdulkadir Mustapha & Aisha Mohammed Ibrahim. And to worsen it all many Hausas will argue with you that these islamic names are their native names .
Same Hausas will argue with you that hijab is a part of their culture.
When I was in camp and native Hausa culture dance was performed, many Hausa fulanis were arguing that the dance was not Hausa culture. What a shame!

Hahahhaha did you just say "southern KD can just eradicate Muslims if they feel like", and what do you think will happen to Christains in other parts of KD? .. will just hail them and congratulate them abi, nawoo!, ur a funny kid I swear.. remove emotions aside and stop watching a lot of movies and cartoons

As long as SK indigenes are within the state, the constitution officially dictates the compulsory payment of taxes and other government dues, its even shocking this point and statement you made is coming from a supposed educated and literate person like you.. how do you even stop paying taxes in a state you do your business, work and hustle in... do you expect government to provide amenities, services and facilities while they don't pay their taxes

Yes Zaria people can send everybody out of their land, just as SK people can. This is the point I am buttressing. Why can't Zaria use their majority status according to you to dictate who lives in Southern Kaduna since they are the majority in the state?
This is just to let you know that sometimes your majority belongs to your pocket.

Do you know what is called civil disobedience?
Yes, SK can tell Kaduna state govt to hell with their amenities and state govt salaries. They can form their own tax group and collect taxes from themselves by themselves in order to develop thier land and provide amenities for themselves. Afterall they only get a tiny portion from the state govt's money, yet the same state govt collects their taxes!
If they make a decision like this, can a Hausa man working for the KD state govt tax force go to Zangon Kataf town in the name of collecting tax for the state and come out with his head intact?
This is my point.

I feel like ur lossing steam, wit, intelligence, acuity and sharpness in some of the arguments ur making.. it's more of an emotional rollercoaster your engaging in now!

The earlier you stop grouping the Igbo, MB and Niger Delta together, the better for you!! You guys don't have anything in common

Igbo are agitating for Biafra
MB are agitating for their own republic
Niger Drlta wants resource control

So i don't see how your agitation correlates at all, you can't come on the same banner bcoz you don't collaborate on the same page, nobody will fight someone else's battle, you should know thay.. if it was the case, Nigeria would have separated a long time agi, bcoz the Hausa/ fulani won't have the capacity and capability to withstand the pressure from all sides, but unfortunately its not the case for you guys.. that's why your still finding it hard to secede, bcoz you don't have the same agenda in common

Yoruba will never side with the agitators, bcoz unlike you guys.. they are just being hypocritical and playing politics, watch them keep quite once they get the presidency , we know them perfectly like the back of our hands

That'd why I and other northern elites want the presidency rotated between the north and SW, so as to keep the south in check, do you understand the logic now

Your talking about protest, ur clearly having an illusion!! Your far from reality! You keep having a pipe dream, you better wake up from your slumber.. protest is the hardest thing to achieve in Nigeria bcoz if religious, ethnic, corruption etc that comes along with it, there will always be a sellout and deep down u perfectly know it.. why do you think the likes of Sowore, Adebanjo, Abiola etc all failed in this regard

Protest can happen overseas and in western countries, but certainly not here.. if it was that easy, why havnt you guys done it?

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Hahahaha. Who are you to decide and tell other people who to allign with and who not to allign with? You must be a big joker.
Oh, have you not seen enemies fought side by side with each other just to defeat a mutual enemy?
The US & Japan are friends today because they have the same threat (CHINA), but wasn't it the same US who nuked 250,000 Japanese to death some decades ago?
The West & Turkey are friends today because of who? RUSSIA, but it was the same West who ensured the fall of the Ottoman (Turkish) empire some decades ago.
Or is it the husband and wife relationship betwen muslim persecuting China & Islamic terrorism sponsoring Pakistan, just because they have a common threatening neighbour (INDIA)?

Nothing will stop the Igbos, Niger deltans & my people from uniting if we want to, as long as we have a common threat and similar interests.

You need to grow up and get more wisdom.

SoNature:
I don't think it's peculiar to Nigeria.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg once launched a project through the company to encourage Indian women to embrace IT like their male counterparts.

While it's good for a lady to be educated and exposed, a lot of this category of laides are very difficult to manage, especially when they are financially independent.

One of our major purposes in life, according to the Bible, is to multiple. And we need loyal ladies to build a good home

So, be careful what you wish for.

India is also a 3rd world country like Nigeria where women are groomed from childhood to please men. Women are taught to be better cooks than better Computer typists. Women are taught to be better home cleaners than critical thinkers.
It is a reflection of our culture.

Westerners & Chinese/East Asian people also had a similar culture in the past, but they succesful eradicated it through the industrial revolution and fight for women's rights.

Kalixx:
Sometimes I wonder what exactly makes up a typical african woman's brain.

If I talk now, they'll say I've come again, 'boys are misogynists' bla bla bla.

In the 21st century, look at all what grownup girls can gather to think about.

On Nairaland, Ive never seen a post involving a group of girls argue which is better between Vue.js or React.js, or whether jQuery will always remain relevant.

I've never seen an intellectual topic between ladies on what SQL injection is, what multi-threading, the importance of data-mining, how to scrape data etc.

The typical african woman's brain is so so dull and what is worse is they are so comfortable with it.

The other time it was the attention-seeking wh*re saying 'Beauty is the greatest asset of a woman'. That shows u how they think.

All they think of is 'breasst, nyansh, hair, wig, phone, camera, bleach, makeup, f*ck, sex, boyfriend' - then when they now grow old, they will go and sell pepper in the market.

Naija babes are a significant millstone to this country because many of them make up unskilled workforce and only look to offer their body for money either through fake relationships and marriage as well.

The fault is from all of us including we the men.

Nigerian fathers and mothers raise their daughters to believe that the best thing they can achieve in life is a good husband and a succesful marriage.

The average Nigerian parents will be bored, uninterested and even pissed off when their daughter of 29 tells them about her career and how well she is doing in her new job and planning to acquire new skills to enhance her career........ But let that same daughter tell them that she met the son of so so and so who just came from abroad and he is interested in marrying her and they may come soon for the introduction.
Watch how that same parents will leap with joy and pat her for being a true daughter of her mother

Our women are a reflection of our culture. It is not their faults. Let us work on changing our culture.

Nyamuri:
referendums, are only done base on geographical region e.g. USSR, brexit, Czechoslovakia, S/Sudan..not on a specific area in a country or state, that's why Catalunya, Checenya, Alaska, S/Cameroon etc are founding it very hard to seceed is bcuz they are the minority in their region and found it hard to vote agaisnt the overall majority in the region.. they are in the same predicament like the MB!

This is why the minority tribes you keep calling and mentioning can never be a threat to the core north, from any angle u come from, its DOA. . I know you hate to admit it but this is the truth

What you are saying is absolute rubbish. First of all, most white nations accept referendum by political blocks simply because they have always been forming political units and nations based on ethnicity. This is not the case in Nigeria.

First of all, are you aware that Nigerian states and regions were all created forcefully by the military? Infact, if it ever gets to the extent of tabling this issue before an international court of justice, you guys will loose woefully.

Nigerian tribes and peoples were not consulted before these states of today were created, they were created against the people's wish in a military regime. This alone counters every validity of states being used as a criteria for a referendum (if it will be supervised by the UN). So, there you have it.

Secondly, we also have LGAs which are also a tier of government. We can also insist on LGAs to be used as the criteria for a referendum if need be.

Let me burst your useless generalizations above.
USSR. The minority nations of USSR broke up at a period when communism fell and the soviet state was weak. They would not have been able to do that before then.

Czechoslovakia. It broke up more mutually. No bloodshed. Both the Czech & Slovaks have always had their boundaries for centuries. Nothing like referendum along states.

South Sudan forced North Sudan into accepting a referendum after over 30 years of war.

Putting Brexit in something like this analogy is a joke.

Infact, you don't just know anything.
Catalonia is an autonomous region of it's own. Majority of it's ppl will vote for independence anyday and any time, but Spain doesn't want to give it to them no matter what. Sadly, Europeans will hardly take up arms and most sadly, none of their neighbours or any Superpower will support them. Same thing with Chechnya.

English speaking Cameroonians voted in a referendum to join Cameroon. They have 2 states they own and dominate in Cameroon, so they have very strong constitutional backing and majority status if it ever comes to a referendum. However, Paul Biya the dictator will never give it to them just like that. He needs to see stronger power and fire! As a black man that he is
Sadly for them, they are a minority and have no neighboring country or Superpower on their side.


Yes, none of the tribes I mention is big enough to make much impact, but by the time you combine all of them together, they are massive (30 million strong).
See, if a war begins, within a few days, all Hausa fulanis and their muslim allies can be sent packing from the entirety of Benue, Plateau, Taraba, Southern Kaduna, Southern Gombe/Borno, FCT & most of Adamawa & Nasarawa within a few days. Most hausa fulanis and muslims in these places live within the towns and do not know the villages and forests unlike the christian indigenes that dominate and surround all these areas.


Our region is not like Igbo land that is very small and highly urbanized where thousands of soldiers can surround and occupy within a short time from city to city and town to town.
There are mountains everywhere and large swathes of difficult terrain that a core-northern army will never understand.
Now, if with all this, we have the Igbos & Niger deltans backing us with all their money, large fighting population, access to the sea, large diaspora population with a lot of money, sophistication and international influence. My brother, just forget it. It is a lost battle.

War and crisis does no one good. However, if the core north continues pushing us to the wall as they are doing even with the Igbos too. We will have no other option than to allign and mark my words, this will be the end of Nigeria.

Igbos are already tired of Nigeria as you can see, but they cannot fight Nigeria and win on their own because they are a minority. But whenever the Niger deltans and my own people join them, it is finished.

Niger deltans are afraid to join Igbos to fight for a country simply because they are afraid that Igbos will dominate them in one country. However, my people have the power to change this notion in the minds of Niger deltans if we ourselves join in and they see that Igbos will no longer be an absolute majority in the new country.

A short story to demonstrate what I am saying to you.
Are you aware that Napoleon was the one who united Germany? Germanic kingdoms were always divided and never one, not until they saw the rise of the French Napoleon who was out to conquer and enslave them all.
This forced German kingdoms to unite. Till date, Germans are the most powerful force and nation in Europe. So, powerful that they almost conquered and enslaved the whole of Europe, if not for the intervention of Russia & America.
Within a few days of war, Germany crushed and occupied France in the 2nd world war. French people have finally reaped the seed of Napoleon

Nyamuri:
Hashanah your literally in an illusion and hallucinating in another dimension far from reality, if you think religion is not the main motive, reason and cause in people aligning and merging with different tribes and ethnicity to protect their interest

Why is the rotation of presidency base on religion not tribe?

Why did APC reject the potential Muslim/Muslim ticket of Buhari and Tinubu if not of religion?

Why most the president and VP be from different religion?

Why do nupe, igala, ebira, kanuri, align with the core north even tho they have different tribe and culture, if not cause of religion?

You are very wrong and ignorant.
In 2011 elections and many more past elections, Yoruba & some middlebelt muslims do not allign. GEJ won Kwara & Kogi state in 2011 with a wide margin, while Buhari won all core-northern areas. Now, tell me, how did this happen if all muslims shared same sentiments?

Also, let me bring it to your blockhead!
In 2001 during the Sharia fracas, core-northern leaders urged Yoruba & Middlebelt muslims to enact Sharia law in their states too. What was their response? A big resounding NO!
They told the core-northernerns that cultural cohesiveness matters to them more than religion!
The governors of Nasarawa, Kwara & Kogi by that time were muslims, but did they accept Sharia and allign with the core-north? Only Niger state accepted.
You are a small boy. You know nothing.

The more we delve into our discussion, the more I deduce your clearly ignorant and lossing steam.. I feel like its more of a class in session, giving u free lesson.. count any minority tribe dominated by Muslims out of ur equation, bcuz they will always side with the core north bcuz of religious aspect

And this was the reason I asked you to list the number of muslim majority tribes in that red circle for me but you couldn't.
Most middlebelt + Northeast tribes are either 50/50 or predominantly christian.

Tafawa Balewa/Bogoro, is a Christian dominated area, that for certain I know, I think that's where Yakubu Dagora comes from.. hausas don't need to go to Zar to dictate to them whether to join MB agitators or not, bcuz that's not how its done.. they can only join you base on referendum, not alignment.. Why I said that is bcuz, alignment will be impossible bcuz they are the minority group in bauchi state, so any attempt will automatically be shout down by the larger tribe and group, which is hausa/fulani e.g gubernatorial and preaidential election as case study

Hahaha. Why did Bauchi state muslims not use their majority status to stop Sayawa from sacking and evicting muslims from Tafawa Balewa town?
The christian half of Southern Kaduna today can wake up and decide to eradicate Hausa fulanis and Islam from their part of Kaduna state and the so called Hausa majority cannot do shît about it. They can decide not to pay tax to Kaduna state govt and the state govt cannot do anything about it. So many things they can do.

During the Biafran war of seccession, some Eastern minorities like the Ijaws & Ogonis took the side of Nigeria against their Igbo majority and this aided the quick fall of Biafra.

While some Western minorities on the other hand (the Igbo speaking Aniomas) took the side of Biafra and were helping their fellow Igbos in the eastern region against their Yoruba majority. Had it been Igbos won that war, or even if it was a tie, do you think they will leave the Aniomas behind for Nigeria? Of course they will annex that area.

A breakup of Nigeria can never be a peaceful thing. Referendum is for white people who are civilized. The black man only understands violence. The only African countries to have seceded (South Sudan & Eriterea) gained their independence in war.
This is why I want to ask you, in a situation where the Igbos, Niger deltans and my people unite to fight for secession, do you think Hausa-fulanis can stop us?
As it stands, no yoruba man will shed his blood for one Nigeria.

Let us even ignore a secession war first. See the way IPOB are agitating. If the Niger deltans and my people join them on a massive protest and civil disobedience across 18 states of Nigeria and Abuja, do you think this country can withstand it?
If we form a political party with a common agenda and we elect our political leaders from that party, do you think Nigeria can stop us?

No country in this world with all it's military might can suppress/silence half of it's population. It is impossible.

Nyamuri:
Your clearly delusional to say the least!! There is know difference in the way ur projecting and making your analysis, your just using a different tactics and nomenclature to propagate your argument.. your not making any sense and logic in this debate, what's the difference you and him when you keep attaching base lead numbers and percentage? How do you expect a layman to verify and ascertain your claims?

Again with the myopic and imbecilic bullshit meant for the birds!! your obvious hate for the north will soon drive you to the market, when did the north "reject the inclusion of ethnic and religion in our census..this profound proclamation is not far from bear parlour gist, deprived from too much Alomo intake.. do you have any reference to it, or is it part of ur concocted and fabricated stories?

Central Intelligence Agency(CIA), has hausa/fulani and Islam as the dominant tribe and religion in Nigeria, so what's the essence of rejecting a census when the truth and reality is out there for all to see, or did the CIA rigged for the north too?

https://www.cia.gov/Library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.html

this is the fourth time I'm providing a link and evidence to verify my claims, I expect you to do that too.. but u rather through some incoherent tribes and attach baseless numbers and percentages to it.. You make an argument, you should provide cogent evidence and authenticity , I'm not the one that is supposed to do that for you


You want me to use Google to get a bigger picture of ur skewed analysis, but you have failed to use the same Google to provide any link or evudence since we started this debate to vindicate yourself

Using Facebook is not an authentic avenue or perimeter to deduce and attest the "ethno-religious demography" of a place, I just disproved that in the other debate we had.. for example, the MB group your in that analyzed buhari will lose, had a 80% Christians participants, base on ur logic to use Facebook, then one would have thought 80% of inhabitants of MB are Christians, which we all know its not true and legit info!

Another example, if an American uses Facebook to examine and study the population of Nigeria, he might think Yoruba or Igbo are the majority, since they are the ones using Facebook the most, but we all know this is not true.. so your reference to Google and Facebook is DOA and stupidity, bcuz it can't be reliable

Time without number, you have failed to understand the genesis and moral of my argument!! it has nothing to do with taraba, adamawa or minority groups.. our debate started base on what I confirm as hausa/fulani and Islam being the dominant tribe and religion in MB.. can you disprove that?

I don't know the debate ur having with other monikers, but ours was base on MB

Any other source on the demography of Nigeria that is not from a census is as good as useless including that CIA report of yours, cause it is also based on estimation. It is no different from mine.

Do you have a block for a head or what? Didn't I just agree with you that you cannot use 'The middlebelt facebook group' as a means of using facebook to understand the demography of a place? And I told you why. You also know why.

The middlebelt is an agitation and as such, there are people from the North central who do not agree with this. Hence people from those areas did/do not join such facebook groups. Most Kwara people do not believe in anything called middlebelt, they are yoruba as long as they are concerned hence they don't join such. Many Niger state muslims left that facebook group cos they were not happy with the name and how the group was dominated by christians. They opened their own group called NORTH CENTRAL, but their group died a natural death and could not compete with ours, because of course the heart of the majority of NorthCentral people lies with the MIDDLEBELT tag.

Now, only a fool will compare this with a tribal forum becos among middlebelt tribes, the christians and muslims go to school as equally as each other and are equally exposed as each other. The christians and muslims also identify with their tribes as equally as each other. So there is no way you will see a tribal forum on facebook for a tribe that is 50/50 religiously and you find mostly christians there. It is impossible.
For example, my tribe in Plateau state is almost 50/50 and if you come to our largest facebook group, this is the exact reflection there. Infact, the founder of the facebook group was a muslim. Whenever we have our Abuja meeting, the representation is almost 50/50 too. Our national president is a muslim. Our king is a christian. Just like that, equally divided.
This is the same situation among most tribes in the region. This is why you cannot disprove facebook as a means of checking affiliations when it comes to the tribal level.
Igbos & Hausas are 2 completely different tribes with different value systems and cultures, one is far far more educated, westernized and travelled than the other, so, if Igbos have a higher representation on social media than Hausas, it is very understandable.
However, this is not the case among middlebelt tribes. We may have different religion in one tribe, however, our value system remains the same within that tribe. It is impossible for you to observe that for instance Alago christians go to school and are more exposed than Alago muslims. Very impossible! It's just like the Yorubas.
If you cannot understand this fact, then I give up. Just suit yourself with whatever you believe.

garfield1:
It was in 2003.in 2011,it was 1.8 million.the 2015 and 2019 polls really exposed the true voting strength of ss/se.rivers has the largest amount of registered voters in nigeria but in all honesty,most of the election figures are false.only few people come out to vote.majority of those in port hangout are non indigenes.i base in rivers,its like my 2nd home so dont argue this one.even majority of the people here have admitted times without number that elections do not take place down south.its only in the west that a semblance of voting takes place.in the rural areas of cross river,the chiefs simply decide on a consensus to allocate votes to pdp,i can even provide a video about elections in my village.my analysis of elections shows that its in the west and north central that real elections happen.

By the way,i like your ethnic and demographic analysis and views.its top notch.i know christians are more than muslim in nigeria but i wont like to go into that.my anger with you is that you are channelling your work into hate,evil,controversy and to cause confusion.forget about religion and buhari,use your work to advance societal progress not to spread hate please

Kano & Lagos always produce larger registered voters than Rivers. Rivers should be 3rd.

Can you please provide a link for the 2 million votes from Rivers in 2003? Also, how many registered voters did the state have that year?

Yes, Rigging happens everywhere most times, even the core-north rigs too. However the desperation of elections among the locals of the core-north shows from the fact that children are registered and allowed to vote.
Southern locals and other Nigerian christians comparatively are not desperate for elections and that is why the rigging is mostly done by their leaders, this is the point I am trying to make.

Thank you for commending how I analyze the demography of states. People like Nyamuri who know nothing cannot wrap their heads around the fact that people like us give him a 'go to sleep' in matters like this hence he keeps asking for a link of reference to this demohraphy analysis in order to cover his shame and ignorance. Imagine him claiming that there are Kanuri indigenes of Plateau & Taraba states I let him know that there are no Kanuri indigenes in Adamawa and even parts of Borno state itself and he is still arguing.

I also admire how you were able to respond to me in a challenge to the demography of Taraba, unlike people like Nyamuri who keep crying for reference links.

You agree that christians are more than muslims in Nigeria? Hmm, this strange coming from a muslim. Where are you from pls if I may ask? Are you a hausa-fulani?

See, bro. Years ago, I was in support of Nigeria's unity and I was even a proud Arewa person. However the reality of things have made me rethink my decision and sentiments.

Peace, equity and tranquility can never come in a society where injustice is the order of the day. Do you think people just like being agitators for no reason? You see, white people never talk about the need for unity among the people of their nations as such, rather what they talk and stress about is justice. Cos when there is justice, peace and unity comes naturally. Thanks.