₦airaland Forum

Dagrace01:
The North knows the level of their fragility without the Yorubas.. But that doesn't change the fact that their hunger for power won't make them make a costly mistake. But seriously? They know the Yorubas to be very triickish game players, and that's why they won't wanna thread on a fragile terrace. From my own opinion anyways, the North and the West shouldn't be d ones vying for power in 2023, the East deserved it no doubt, but the fact that they don't believe in one Nigeria is warrisome. I can't allow a person who intends to leave my house at any point in time to be my security or guard, my family will be in danger. Wilth time an egg will walk!

The fragility of the north easily disappears if they get the support of the Igbos against the Yorubas. The SS mostly tags along with the Igbos.

Hausa fulanis are naturally a people who like to test your power to see what you can do first before they believe you. So trust me, them go wan test yoruba people power. It's their natural behaviour.

candidtalk:
You don't get it do you? Have we told you our votes alone will see a Yoruba man in Aso rock come 2023? No. Our powers of negotiation and bridge-building will. Remember how Igbos spoke as if Yorubas were done and vanquished after GEJ won in 2015 and empowered Igbos everywhere? What did the Yorubas do in response to that and what is the status quo today?

Contrast this to what Igbos have done since losing out in 2015 with 'Azikiwe' Jonathan. You Igbos, a great and major ethnic group in Nigeria, simply constituted yourselves into a nuisance queuing behind a failed london scammer called Kanu instead of adopting strategic and deliberate actions to return you to the forefront of Nigerian politics.

Your powers of negotiation and bridgebuilding worked in 2015 because the Hausa fulanis who needed power were available then. If come 2023, the Hausa fulanis are now the ones against you and the SE/SS who would have been available to you now turn their face away, I wonder who you will build bridges with then. Maybe Cameroonians or Congolese.

If Hausa fulanis are against you yorubas in 2023. The only way out for you guys will be to talk to the minorites of the middlebelt and SS. Afterall, we do not play strong politics of ethnic hatred like the Igbos cos we are not a homogenous people. Only then can Yorubas be able to square up to the North. If the north then still has the full support of the Igbos, it won't be easy at all.

Like I said, Yoruba people better pray for the north not to betray them else things will get very very sour.

candidtalk:
Bro, forget the idea that any Yoruba hates Igbos and mean them harm. The reality on the ground does not bear this out and you know it. Our main grouse is that you guys cannot let go of your enmity for Yorubas because you blame us for your loss of the civil war.

The modern Yoruba is no longer willing to be a prisoner to the guilt-tripping your fathers put our fathers through. This is why you mention 'betrayal' daily.

We are not your enemies and mean you no harm. If you wish to continue hating us blindly and trying to frustrate us then carry on. We will break Northern dominance of Nigerian politics without you. That I am sure of. For the Yorubas "where there is a will there is a way".

Nothing is constant in life but change. You Igbos may not believe this but the Yorubas do and this even explain why they voted healthily for Atiku and your Son Obi because many Yorubas felt Buhari and Osinbajo had not done enough and others deserve to be given a chance to show what they can do.

@Bolded. Did I just read what you wrote rightly @the bolded?
Can you tell me how Yorubas intend to break Northern dominance without alliance with any other region?

See, if not for the fact that we middlebelters and northern christians usually vote against the north, no southerner would ever have been able to break the north's domination even if the whole south is united, let alone Yoruba alone.

Yorubas must allign with at least 2 out of the 3 other regions (SS,SE & Middlebelt) in order to even measure up the Hausa fulani votes, cos as it stands today, the core north controls around ⅓ (35%) of Nigeria's votes.

If you think I am saying rubbish, then look at 2011 elections when only the core-north delivered around 13-15 million votes out of the 37 million votes to their candidates (about 40%) while the majority of other Nigerians scrambled for 60%.

Nigeria as it stands today has to have the entire south + the middlebelt united against the core-north to ever stop the core-north's domination. Unless, no magic can happen.

candidtalk:
Bruv, try to keep up. We are not one way traffic (Biafra or death) like Igbos. I already gave the DAWN initiative as an example of how the Yorubas understand how to be protectionist, within Nigeria, if the overarching conditions call for it. We can be nationalist too if it suits us and the condition of the day show us that this is the way to be.

It is Igbos who are are irrevocably tied to redundant ideology i.e we can only accept Biafra" , when GEJ is out of power, or"we run Nigeria" when Jonathan, Oduah, Anyim et al held sway.

Yorubas understand that, at anytime, we can attempt to mould our land in our own image if others decide to be backward and regressive. America is the perfect example with how some States are so different ideologically and politically you would not think you are in the same nation.

See bro, stop massaging your ego too much. As it stands today, no one single region in Nigeria can stand alone. If the north decides not to support Yoruba in return and unfortunately the Igbos & SS choose to allign with the north, then I bet you, Yorubas cannot do jack.

If yorubas start to protest or attack people in Lagos, trust the Hausa fulani government to use this as their biggest opportunity to destroy Lagos with the military. Afterall, most northerners are not happy that a southern city is the economic heart of the nation. Then watch how they will quickly open up Warri or Calabar or Port harcourt's ports for business to replace that of Lagos instantly.

See, I am from the middlebelt and I know Hausa fulanis like the back of my palm. These people can do anything and when I say anything, I mean absolutely anything, just for them to retain power.

Yorubas should just really pray hard that Hausa fulanis do not betray them and if they do, the Hausas must not notice that they are being supported vehemently by the Igbos & SS. If not, it is finished for Yoruba. And in such a case, civil unrest would be the biggest mistake yorubas will make. It will be their biggest destruction.

Hausa fulanis that I know do not mind jamming the heads of brothers and sisters of the same family against each other just to get their way.

OfoIgbo:
Did I hear you say FIGHT TO CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY WE DIE HERE. We will all experience the result of treachery. The north MUST BE SUPPORTED, if APC fields a Yoruba man.

You are going nowhere, and if we get any of those protests, Igbos will support Operation Python Dance in the SW, if the protest has to do with some warped idea of Yorubas being denied the presidency.

This is what the average yoruba person does not know. The north can never be afraid or shivery of one region.
Only a joint Southern coalition or a joint Southern/Middlebelt coalition against them can send shivers to them. No matter the protests or trouble yoruba people start if they loose 2023 presidency, as long as no other region supports them, they will be immediately silenced by the military.

candidtalk:
Difference between Yoruba and Igbo man. You accept your fate and we influence ours. North can betray Yorubas. Their choice. Rest assured we will act, unlike Igbos, to address the anomaly of the North monopolising power once we are sure this is what they are committed to doing. Right now there is no concrete evidence of the North wanting to do this other than the wailing of the likes of EL Rufai and other flaky characters from the North who are nothing in the grand scheme of things. When the going gets tough then the tough get going.

Bro, I am from the north so take this from me. It would take a whole lot of convincing and very very hard work on the likes of Buhari and other northern leaders to convince the northern masses in order to reject a northern muslim candidate in favor of a southern one.

Any slight show of lack of vigour or indifference on Buhari's part will lead to the massive division of northern votes in a 50/50 or in favor of the PDP northern candidate and if then most of the SS/SE vote for PDP, it is a lost battle.

Tinubu cannot rig to his favor in the north. Only Buhari and the APC governors can ensure this happens. So, take this to the bank. If Buhari and the governors do not show 100% full support to Tinubu, Tinubu is going nowhere. Even 50% support will not be enough.

Deadlytruth:
This is a logical question beyond your infantile capacity hence I don't expect you to say anything in response other than this usual refrain of yours.



It is really dumb of you to take the insincere opinion of a single individual as representative of a town of over 100,000 natives. And for the dullard you are, you couldn't notice that Adeiza Paul avoided cleverly the poser as to why the same man could not sponsor a bill for that in all his eight
years in Edo State House of Assembly if he truly believed himself. Out of 14 clans in a town, a head of one clan spoke not even in representative capacity of his clan let alone others, yet your coconut head interpreted this to mean that every native shares such opinion. You are truly crazy and demented. So some of your traditional leaders' claims in Plateau State that you are united with Hausafulanis translates to being factual? Idiot!

Chai Jesu, e be like say this video of this Etuno traditional ruler confessing to be Ebira really pain you well well o kai, kpele oo. Doo, you hear....
I never even knew or imagined that that man was the head of one of the clans that make up Igarra.

Whenever people within the same ethnic group have different views as to who they are, it is simply identity crisis. This is what your people are suffering. And mind you, just the same way no Pan-Etuno group has come out to claim you guys are Ebiras, none has come out either to claim that you guys are not Ebiras. At least one traditional leader (A clan leader which I never knew) has come out to claim Ebira. So, instead of spitting excessively like an epileptic patient, why don't you show us a video or proof of an Etuno traditional ruler rejecting Ebira identity? At least save yourself the stress.

I have another killer dosage for you
Ethnologue, the highest and world's most trusted body for ethnic and linguistic classifications classified and recognises Etuno as dialect of Ebira

https://www.ethnologue.com/language/igb

I hope you don't take sniper when you see this

Yes, you won't be wrong in assuming that Middlebelters and Hausa fulanis are still very close because some middlebelters truly love Hausa fulanis e.g most Niger, Ilorin, Kogi and Nasarawa muslims do. However the majority and Hausa fulanis are no longer close.

I guess I have burst your bubble again

You are simply mentally retarded. You claim to have had a lot of Etuno people as friends in UNIBEN and I asked you how many of them ever identified themselves as Ebiras to you. You couldn't answer, yet you are relying on the statement of a single individual and a typical Nigerian politician for that matter (who are known for inconsistency) to reach a conclusion which none of those your many Etuno friends ever attested to. You are indeed a fool devoid of deep thinking.

Funny enough, the question on whether Etunos were Ebiras or not never really came up with me and the Etunos I knew in Uniben. This is to tell you how much I really don't give a fvck about this in real life. I wouldn't have even interfered in your argument with the other guy in the first place if not that this issue kept coming up as I read through the thread. Whenever I bump into any of these people again, I'd ask them this question specifically.

Only in the mind of an idiot like you would names of states of residence automatically translate to the nomenclature of sub tribes. What if these states were never created? That means we wouldn't have known the Hausa subtribes. Didn't the Hausa subtribes have names before states got created in Nigeria? It is this same fraudulent narrative you are trying to bring to bear on the Oshuku identity because all your rotten brain thinks about is political correctness towards your rather assinine idea of national unity. Eegit!

Diarrhea infected hands
Don't argue what you don't know. Some present day Hausa states of today were named after the same Hausa city states (Kingdoms) that existed centuries ago e.g Kano, Kebbi, Zamfara, Katsina.
Kano state of today composes of 2 ancient Kingdoms, Kano & Rano, while Sokoto is mostly Gobir. Since Danfodio united all the Hausa kingdoms. They have all become a continuous and loosely identity of peoples, especially as you go from one Emirate/ancient kingdom to the other.

So, yes Hausa subtribes had names which I listed above, but most of the names truly match the Emirates/States they are under today. And Hausas today mostly identify with their Emirates, cities and states than they do their subtribes.

You never argued about that? The same you that was arguing all before now that there is nothing like Oshuku appelation and that you have never heard of it? You see how you change tune dubiously each time you are boxed to a tight corner? You are just too full of deceit and lies. You can say "a" and in less than a minute deny it completely and then claim it was "b" you said. Thief! You are worse than the devil himself.
If he acknowledged Oshuku as covering all those peoples, then doesn't common sense dictate to your empty skull that that exactly is the name of the tribe?



In what context did he mention Oshuku? You think Oshuku is the name of a particular ancestral figure? Did he say "Oshuku's Descendants"? You luciferous and demonic merchant of lies and deception. Don't go and think of how to create NL posts to bring your obscure tribe into limelight. Be between every other tribes' threads like a monkey and imposing yourself as spokespersons of people you are not in any way related to. Are you so ashamed of your unknown tribe that you are more interested in threads about others than yours? I have never seen you create a post about your tribe. Why? Is it such an insignificant tribe?

Show me where Adeiza agreed that Oshuku ethnic group exists or that Oshuku is the proper ethnic name for Ebiras... I couldn't care less if you or Adeiza or President Buhari talks about Ebira speaking people being of Oshuku descendants. Had it been this was the issue I wouldn't have even interfered. My problem is with the creation of a new ethnic group called Oshuku ethnic group by you from the comfort of your bedroom when this does not reflect anywhere in any government documents or academic material.

Do not divert the topic to my tribe, when you have nothing reasonable to say. I have not created a thread about my tribe as well as I have not created a thread on any other tribe, as much as I am into ethnic groups. Creating tribal threads is not my thing.
I have not hidden it from the beginning that I am from a small minority tribe, on this thread alone, I have said it a thousand and one times.
However small my tribe is we are still more than your 'Oshuku Ebira Etuno' tribe. We occupy a landmass that will equate the whole Akoko-edo put together and we have produced the deputy senate president of this country.

Unlike you, we know who we are and we don't have sone of us claiming to be Hausas and others claiming not to be, when even the highest ranking bodies claim you are this

Deadlytruth:
You are the one suffering from a problem. Under the regional system, Nigeria was heaven in the sense that it created an enabling environment of healthy inter-regional competition which was sure to turn Nigeria to heaven in no distant time. You are already in heaven when you are on the right track leading to heaven.


The three region structure was operated under a constiution which would have eventually and legally granted autonomy to all these agitating tribes. It also gave room for it own ammendment such as to grant the power of self assertion and autonomy to each component tribe of the newer regions to have been created.

Midwestern minorities would never had gotten their independence from the Western region if it wasn't supported by Zik or the Sardauna. Eastern minorities & Northern minorities wanted out too but it was hindered by the respective regions, go figure out.

This is pure falsehood. The Midwest was created by plebiscite through which all the component tribes freely voted to have the region created for them meaning that they all believed in it and didn't see visualize any marginalization in its future. Moreover, an Anioma man was made the first Premier so where is this Anioma marginalization theory coming from? Do you just enjoy making assumptions and projecting them as facts? Binis were not a majority in the said region, so how could they have been able to dominate everything?
Which Urhobos complained of Bini domination?

Why did Urhobos/Itsekiris agitate for Warri state and Aniomas agitated for Anioma state subsequently if everything was heaven?

That is because the present Delta State was created by a fiat of the military establishment which came to be through the destruction of the original independence constiution. Had these subnational units we now call state been created through legal democratic means in line with the independence constiution, the terms of coexistence in each one of them and the location of their capitals would have been democratically agreed on and signed unanimously hence no one would have been complaining of marginalization within any of the states by now.


Like I already said, all those Upland vs Lowland bickering in Rivers, Ogoja vs Calabar in Cross River, etc were all as a result of the states being created by military fiat as against the legal and democratic process that would have birthed them through the three region system hence all those concerns addresed at the stage of proposal. Mind you that under the three region system, there was nothing like Federal Allocation but that each region generated her own revenue and paid taxt to the centre. Whoever wanted to demand for a state or new region must first ensure that it would be able to fend for itself as no Federal Allocation would come hence, if the regional autonomy constiution had not been destroyed by the unity seekers, people wouldn't have been agitating for states anyhow as we have it today, so all these agitation for states you complain of would have been unheard of. Anyhow you choose to look at it, the unity seekers caused all the problems you mentioned above.

You have a good point here, but it wouldn't have been so easy. Sometimes people think they can easily work together especially when they have been under a pressing majority for long, but as soon as they are left together, continuous problems ensue which they never imagined would have come.
Take for example, 30 years ago when South Sudanese were fighting the North for their rights and autonomy, if anyone had told them that they would be fighting each other today, they would never have believed this. As soon as they were left alone without the opposition of the Islamic/Arabic north as a unifying factor, see what has become of them today.
Immediately Apartheid ended and blacks got power in SA, Zulus & Xhosas, the 2 major black groups came at each others throats, if not for timely intervention things would have gotten really bad.

If someone had told Nasarawa people back then that they would agitate to be separated from Plateau people when all of us were under Kaduna in the old northern region, they would have vehemently rejected it.
When we got Benue-Plateau, we were all very happy and united with it but then the politics was Plateau against Benue. Immediately Benue left and got their own state, Plateau people turned on each other and the new politics became Upper Plateau VS Lower Plateau (Nasarawa). Nasarawa people started crying for marginalization and the need for their own state. They got their own state and later Langtang people and other Southern Plateau people started crying that Jos is too far for them and they want Lowland state because they are left out from development. Can't you see that this has become a comedy show ? ..
The question is why weren't these same Langtang people crying of marginalization or claiming that Jos is too far when we were in Old Plateau state or Benue-Plateau state when they enjoyed domination and even dominated the politics of upper Plateau which they were a part of?

You can see that human beings or better put Black people would always cry when things don't go their way out of selfishness.

So, at the end of the day, the mighty and influential regions would have been excessively proliferated into possibly hundreds of smaller regions, with every ethnic group/clan having their own regions. And this would have been worse of because it would have been one ethnic group who controlled the region and it's security against the agtitating one.
You talk about economic viability being a prerequisite to the creation of a new state and the question is, who is in charge to determine if my new state won't be viable when I say it would be forgetting that the issue of viability is objective.

We might have not had enough time with the regional government to be sure of it's serious disadvantages, so we may not conclude that it would have been heaven under that one.

You as a western minority who got independence from the western region so easily will not see it the same way as a Northern or Eastern minority who would most likely never have gotten regional independence from the Hausas & Igbos who naturally love domination and are very strongheaded and stubborn compared to the relatively docile and easy going Yorubas.

"Had the Unitary system not been abolished"..... This doesn't make sense because the Unitary System has really not been abolished and that exactly is why the scenario you painted above is visible at the national level. So an abolition of this Unitary system will eradicate that ugly trend.

This was a mistake. I wanted to say 'Had the regional system not been abolished.

This is hilarious! Then why and how did Yugoslavia, a European country, recently get split up into six or so?
The integration in Europe is not in the ethnographic sense you seek for Nigeria but in the form of EU which all member countries retain their autonomy. In fact Britain just exited the said EU due to realization that the unity in it was exploitative to them. Even within the said United Kingdom the components operate as a confederation. So your argument here is pure pants!

Yugoslavia divided pretty much due to the agelong division that has always existed among southern slavs. Religion.

The orthodox Serb, the catholic Croat and the muslim Bosians couldn't really live together as one people without stepping on each other's toes.

The same reason why India was divided.

Deadlytruth:
You are the one supposed to conver your inconsistent and lying face in shame after once agreeing that you are aware that the term Afemai is not used to mean the whole of Edo North in an ethnographic sense but for political expediency, you have reversed yourself as usual to deliberately misinterprete the Warrake people's Afemai claim in the ethnographic sense. You are indeed a shameless and inconsistent clown.

Hahaha The idiot dared me to show him anywhere an Owan or Akoko-edo person ever addressed himself with the Afemai tag, now I showed him and he is still uttering gibberish to save face. Gosh. I never knew people could be so shameless!

You can't establish it because there are no Ebira speaking tribes in Cross River State. What you have there are Oshuku speaking tribe, and they are located Yala LGA of the state.

And what is the name of that nameless Oshuku tribe in Cross river state, Yala LGA for that matter?! I hope it is not the Iyalla people you have been referring to as this Oshuku people all this while?

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Unfortunately for you, Etunos have always known this but don't drag them because they have no ulterior motive. Moreover, Ebiras can't really claim not to know of them as Etunos have always made it known yet Ebiras still ignore them. If you still don't see the ulterior motive through this, then you will not see the tallest building in the world even if you are standing right in front of it.


It is dumb, really dumb, to speak for a people whom you are not one of and are not in anyway related to. How did you know they don't know? If you think they don't know, then why have you been arguing in support of their supposed ignorance against a person who knows it and has been saying it? Don't tell me you are really this daft!

Abeg, Ogbeni, what is the name of this tribe, let me know first before I make any further comments.

It is you who is in need of help for making yourself an unsolicited mouthpiece and self imposed spokesman of a people with whom you are not related let alone belong to. I never knew your desperation is this terrible.
If it is wrong for a people to concern themselves with their own relations hundreds of miles away without having united their immediate ones, then it is even wronger for you to, through the different Middle Belt fora you claim to head, be trying to unite other totally unrelated people who are even thousands of miles farther away from your own plateau state without having united all your neighbouring middle beltern tribes in Plateau State first. Then go and dissolve all those Middle Belt Fora and unite your Plateau State first before looking out for tribes that are over 300 miles away places like Kwara, Niger, Northern Adamawa, etc. See how you always sound illogical and inconsistent?

If you believe I don't have the brain to understand analogies, then why ask me to reply to one? Only a confused schizophrenic would expect an response from a person whom he perceives not to have an understanding of his question.
However, the simple reply I will give here to expose your brainlessness is that; If Idomas don't know of Etulo as an Idoma town, then how come you a total stranger whose home if is farther from Etulo are the one who know it? You just go on assuming you know people more than they do of themselves. How on earth is it really possible that Idomas no longer know about a group which separated from them and settled some distance away? Don't the Etulo people travel away from home hence must always come across individuals from their parent Idoma stock?

I know about Etulo people compared to the average Idoma person because I am far more enlightened and passionate about the in depth study of ethnic demography compared to the average Idoma or even Nigerian.
Etulo people were cut off from Idomas and encircled by the Tivs during the Tiv expansion centuries ago. They are undergoing a 'Tivization' process. Most of them now answer Tiv names and speak Tiv at a native level leading to the extinction of their own native language. So, I guess this is the major reason of the obscurity of their identity towards the Idomas. From my interaction with Idomas on this subject, some Idomas know them, but most do not know them. Majority of Idomas even claim the Yallas & Yaches (of Yala LGA of Cross River state) and Agatus of Nasarawa state better, clearly because these ones have still retained their Idomoid languages & cultures better.
(This is why I hope the so called Oshuku tribe you are claiming in Yala LGA of Cross River state are not the Yallas or Yaches o, because these are pure Idomoid ethnic groups. If they are the ones, better go and do your studies well before you come out to disgrace yourself o).

It is customary for any given tribe to have and preserve their oral history which they hand down from generations to generations, and such oral accounts must definitely contain information on how and why some splinter groups broke away from the parent body to establish their own settlements and enclaves among other tribes. It is like suggesting that the Igala peoples' forefathers never handed down to their descendants the oral accounts of their history which definitely contains why and how the Ebu people in Delta North migrated out of the Igala Kingdom or that the Ondo people have lost their oral history about how the Olukunmis migrated away from them to their present location in Delta North. I never knew you are this dishonest and slimy.

Oral accounts are very very faulty and have a very great chance of being distorted, hence they are not taken as an authority in this modern age of ours by scientists and other knowledgeable bodies who serve as an authority.
I shouldn't be the one telling you this. Same oral accounts that claim Oduduwa fell from the sky

Besides if this was in reference to the Etulos, the Etulos did not migrate anywhere. They were an APA people who were cut off from fellow APAS during the Tiv expansion. We all know how the Tiv expansion changed the demography of Kwararafan areas.

Even after seeing a snapshot of where your own trusted Adeiza Paul said it plain and clear that they are all Oshuku Descendants? I can now see that you are impervious to facts however much they slap and kiss you in the face. You are indeed a devil's advocate. You are just too ashamed to confess that you have been authoritatively ignorant all this while. It is actually childish and indeed stupid and immature to keep defending a position about which you have been proven wrong by the very party you felt you were doing a favour by maintaining that position in the first instance. You dabbled into an issue you were completely ignorant of, you were shown unassailable facts contrary to your assumptions, but rather than bow to superior argument and those facts, you just choose to arrogantly stick to your falsehood. I understand that you are too embarrassed to admit the truth because you came into the discourse not with an open mind but with a self opinionated one, hence you find it very uncomfortable to have it all busted so badly.

For the umpteenth time. I have no business and have never argued on the Oshuku progenitor of Ebira speaking peoples (I don't care about this). I only argued on the existence of an Oshuku ethnic group in Nigeria which does not exist anywhere in any written government document in Nigeria, but is only a figment of your imagination.

Are we discussing your people or you here? You are the excessively insecured and paranoid one as
it is very evident that any real or perceived attack on any middle beltern tribe gives you high BP and you therefore rush in to defend your so called fellow Middle Belters without yet understanding what the discussion is all about. Imagine you quickly bringing in Nupes (Your Middle Belt people) into a discussion purely about Southerners. I pray your rabid pro-Middle Belt paranoia will not kill you.

I brought in Nupes to an issue you raised on Afemai people answering Nupe names. How is that out of place Mr Manipulative Psychopath?
How is it out of place to mention the Nupes wherever Afemais (a southern people who were conquered, ruled islamized and civilized by the Nupes) are mentioned?
It's just like saying Arabs should never be mentioned when talking about Iranian history.

He has changed tune again seeing that he has boxed himself to a tight corner. In one line you say you want national unity among all tribes. But here you are again saying you don't like a particular people. How then do you attain your national unity? If you don't like Ebira people, then it is obvious you are the one filled with hate and paranoia. For goodness sake, how can you claim to hate a whole tribe?
Aren't I vindicated. You don't believe in a joint regional identity with Ebiras yet you have been defending the attempt by some of them to impose themselves on others. Aren't you therefore a hypocrite?
For me, I don't hate any tribe a will never have a reason to. I only hate individuals who propagate falsehood, and do all my humanly possible best to set the facts straight regardless of anything. You can keep on hating Ebiras, Igbos, Yorubas, Ijaws, Hausas, Fulanis, etc while ironically seeking national unity with them.

Jesus Christ. Have I been wasting my time arguing with a kindergarten child or what? Some Yorubas do not like Ijebus, should that stop Yoruba unity? Some Igbos don't like Anambra people. Some Sokoto people dislike Kano people and don't like doing things with them. Some Hausas don't just dislike fulanis, they literally hate Fulanis, but has that stopped the Hausa-fulani killer alliance? Many Binis hate Esans with a passion and vice versa, has that stopped the call for Edo unity?
Sometimes people have to unite for a common good not because they are so much in love with each other and can't stop thinking of their love

Grow up in your thinking child!.

You have adjusted it from accurate knowledge to "fair knowledge" now. Hehehehe.... Mr. Adjuster in Chief.


You can deny it all you want, but only a fool will believe it is not about Middle Belt solidarity, or else what does a plateau state man share in common with Ebiras other than Middle Belt identity? That you lived long in Delta State doesn't give you superior knowledge about an Okpe man's cultural identity than himself. His claim would definitely appear as exaggerated in the eyes of a non-native like you just like my one settlement tribe claim for Edo State appeared to you as impossible despite you having lived in the said state for equally long and even schooled there.

You are really a clown. How and when have I claimed to have accurate knowledge on anything? Like am I God to use such boasting word? Manipulative psycopath.

Only a fool will believe it is not about middlebelt solidarity? So, what will u call my support of Urhobos on Okpe being a part of it? ''Growing-up-in-Delta solidarity?'' This thread has become my free comedy dosage

Another daft and stupid counter argument. I only used the US as an example from the persepective of a fundamental principle in Anthropology which is applicable to all ethnically diverse societies regardless of their athnographic evolutions. Of course I wouldn't expect you to know this. But I will not lecture you for free on this. Go and get a text on Anthropology and educate your brainless cranium.

Trying to save yourself seeing you don't know your analogies! Your reply using USA was a direct analogy used with the hope to counter the Nigerian example. However, I pointed it out as a failed/terrible example because the settings in which the different American ethnic groups live was very very very different and non comparable with that of the Nigerian ethnic groups.

And for you to even think that the US was formed after all those tribes arrived is the silliest thing I ever heard.

Mr Manipulative psychopath who likes forcing words in the mouth of others to secure a safe landing. Where did I ever claim this?

Each of the states of the US was a separate autonomous colony of her own hence the residents still had their parent cultures and languages intact as they joined the union in turns and at different times through a period of over 100 years.

Yes, they were all seperate, yet with the Anglo-saxon culture being by far the dominant of them all among the majority of the colonies. In fact, once the French sold Louisiana. No other culture was strong enough to come close in competition with that of the Anglo-saxon.
This was why USA gained independence from Britain and not a bunch of different European countries.

You speak as if the Anglo-Saxon culture was the original extant culture which all arriving tribes met there and got integrated into whereas the aboriginal red Indians were not of the Anglo-Saxon extraction neither did they bear that culture. The Anglo-Saxon culture was not willingly adopted by them but was imposed on all of them through colonization just like it happened in Nigeria.

Who is even talking about native Americans here? These ones have always been an inconsequencial and conquered minority throughout the process of the evolution of the American government and culture.

However, on gaining independence they, like Nigeria again, all agreed to a constiution which didn't hammer on unity and national integration unnecessarily but on justice, equity, individualism and equality of all men before God. They never tampered or experimented with an alternative structure in the name of seeking national unity or integration as they knew that once justice and equity are always upheld, these other ones would follow automatically. But in Nigeria we chose to later experiment with replacement of equity and social justice with national unity and integration by way of imposing Unitary system, and here we are today in ruins.

The point remains that at the end of the day, the whole of America had to evolve into one big Anglo-saxon culture dominant based estate for it to be able to thrive as one united body, otherwise it never would.

Why is Canada not united as the USA culturally? Cos the French Canadians rejected Anglicization. Not until Anglo-saxon Canada gave full autonomy and equal rights to French Canadians before there was comparative peace and tranquility.

If you had a good sense of analogy, you would rather have given Canada, Belgium or Switzerland as countries where different ethnic groups live Side by side in unity without oppression, not America where every white person's culture is now based on an Anglo-saxon one and people only claim diverse origins when they want to feel special or wear special clothes like scottish skirts and dance on the streets . After that they all go back home to continue in the same Anglo-saxon culture.

Otherwise if you are talking of people of diverse origins coming together under one predominant culture, then it happens almost everywhere. In Turkey apart from the Kurds who maintain their identity (hence ethnic conflicts with the majority Turkish population), every other Turkish people were originally of Greek, Armenian, Aramaic or Slavic/Balkan origin, but the Ottoman Empire brought all of them under a Turkish and islamic identity and today they are all one. So it is nothing special. However, imagine if these Greek, Armenian, Aramaic, Balkan and central Asian originated Turkish people were all living together in Anatolia practicing different religions, speaking different languages and practicing different cultures, could it have been possible?
So, Mr Man, know your analogies or take some medication for those diarrhea infected hands of yours before they come online to keep on increasing your disgrace.

Revolva:
He is not Igbo ok hahahaa

Hahaha, leave that lowlife 3rd class caliphate citizen called Naajjii.
He is calling me an Igbo just because he couldn't believe how much a Plateau man like me could be so knowledgeable on the true history of middlebelt and be completely anti-arewa at the same time. His best defence was to tag me an Igbo, when I've always identified myself as a middlebelter since I joined nairaland in 2013.

You can imagine the iddiot expects every middlebelter to be pro arewa or neutral (silent), so that the caliphate can continue to spread their lies of how we middlebelters are their subjects and go scott free.

Deadlytruth:
See inverted accusation. So you who introduced Nupe/Afemai issue into a Yoruba vs Bini thread are not the lover of unecessary arguments and aren't suffering from diarrhoea of the fingers? Do you even really read what you write?
The truth about you is that you love to be seen as knowledgeable about every tribe in Nigeria hence you are quick to jump into threads on ethnicity and culture and begin to use sophistry in deceiving the unsuspecting who allow you a feild day. But with me, you have for the first time met a brick wall and it pains you so badly.

Pains me badly? Pathetic. Everyone knows you here for the venomous snake that you are. You have a reputation for attacking and quarreling with everyone here, both Yorubas, Igbos, middlebelters and foreigners

I am from the middlebelt and grew up in the western Niger delta. You cannot find me arguing with anyone outside these areas. Show me anywhere I have argued about SouthWest yorubas or South-east Igbos or forever close those diarrhea hands of yours in shame.

See who is talking? You that claim Etsako land was fully conquered and ruled by the Fulani Jihadists only for me to ask you why then it is not on record that there were ever Emirs any where in Etsako rather all their monarchs maintain Etsako Language titles. I know you are terribly embarrssed that I brought down this your lie with just a simple logical question. The fulani Jihadists are known to replace with an Emir the monarch they meet on the throne of wherever they conquere. If Etsako was truly conquered by Fulanis, then why was its case different? I thought you were going to begin another conjectural merry-go-round as usual but this time your lies got dried up and abuses started coming forth. What a shame!

So you just have really thoroughly read up the thread after having been making references to it before now meaning you were referencing what you had not read through? Shameless cunt you are?



We all know that the greatest evidence of Fulani Jihadists conquest is the vestige of Emirate. In fact the first and most enduring evidence of conquest is the imposition of the conqueros' structure of government on the conquered. The British conquered all tribes in Nigeria and immediately proceeded to replace their background monsrchy with democracy. You mean that after Fulanis conquered Etsako they left the native monarchies intact? Then what sort of conquest was that?



Thrash. Tell us why the Fulanis didn't impose an Emirate anywhere in Etsako after supposedly conquering them. After that we can move on to all these. First things first.


Adjuster in Chief. Your claim is that the generality of Onitshans and Itsekiris identify with their Bini origins. You have just adjusted it now to linit it to their Kings. Thief!

Then you are a Hausafulani because the royal lineage of most of you middle belters are traceable to Hausafulanis.

Can you just shut up if you know nothing? Not everywhere that came under jihad in Nigeria use Emir as their titles. In some places, the traditional titles were retained, but this doesn't mean that they don't know their roots and subserviency to the caliphate.

Even the Nupes who brought the islam to Etsakos do not use Emir. They use the traditional title ETSU. The Chamba chiefdom/Emirate in Adamawa use the GANGWARI of Ganye as theirs. Many tribes in Nasarawa came under Jihad e.g your Ebira cousins in Opanda, but they do not use Emir of Opanda, they use OHIMEGE of Opanda.
The major emirate in my state (Kanam) do not use Emir, they use PANKWAL. Heck even the Fulanis in Adamawa do not use Emir, they use LAMIDO (the native fulani word).

You know the place is still an emirate or offshoot of an Emirate when u look at the culture of the kingship and royaltues. The Waziri of Auchi, the Ciroma of Auchi, Hakimis & Magajis e.t.c

Just see how you went about celebrating and spitting everywhere claiming that you know something with your claim of Auchi not being a pure offshoot of the Emirate just because it does not use the EMIR title. Ignorance is truly a disease.

SETHARTHUR:
@Nowenuse-Pls can you connect me to any one of them i realy need to invest in mining.thanks 4 your understanding.

Personally, I don't know much about this sector, but one of my uncles is into it big time. So pls allow me to try to make contact with him and inquire. Try to check up on me later on in case I forget.

SETHARTHUR:
These is an unreasonable action by the FG. I Am just thinking on how i will in invest in an mineral exploration company or the nigerian mining sector only to enter nairaland and see this news,it is disappionting. But btw where is miningng guy.

Bro I am a Plateau indigene. These people are illegal miners, most likely from China & India. They are not registered and they do not comply to healthy standards.
There are legal registered minning companies who are recognized by the government.

Yusman316:
Guy a person asking u to respect his chosen way of life is now a crime? Which European law says u must shake a dignitary against your own personal conviction?

Not all cultures are laws. And if you cannot respect people's cultures, then stay away from their lands. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Onlyonebuhari:
That is religion of honour! Muslims women don't shake hands with opposite sex except those who doesn't understand Islam just like the way Queen Elizabeth don't shake hands with anyone anyhow. Our sisters are Queens, not those miniskirt church girls that are used as dancers, strippers and to dress naked in the name of miss world. Holy Mary dress from head to toe and our sister also follow her footsteps. No matter your position you can't see my wife fingers let alone shaking hands with her. If you really want to know what unclothedness and shamelessness is all about just tune in to Pastor Oyakhilome's church programme then you will know today's Christianity is anti Christ is the making. Kudos to Pastor Kumuyi for the value he placed on dressing among his followers. That's the only pastor I respect in Nigeria, the rest don't care about men shouldn't wear women attires and vice versa. They will tell you faith is isn't you heart after dressing naked as if bible that preaches decency is meant to be play with.
The content of a word is the product of its environment.
May God bless those who obey God commadements.

Imagine the Audacity. If you are not a christian, mind yourself with your head slamming religion and don't you interfere with how christians are observing their religion or not, cos it is none of your business.
If your wife wants to dress like a masquerade, it's your business and hers, afterall not even all muslim women dress as masquerades. There are muslims who are very modern and civilized in their looks.

The problem we are having with you guys is that why do masquerade looking muslims still choose to migrate to these western nations when they know it's full of nudity? Why don't they choose Saudi Arabia, Yemen or Pakistan?

aril:
You mean aside from Muslims that relocate to that country no Muslims or Islam never existed there.

Yes no one and none. Islam never got to these places during any period of time. The spread of islam into Europe ended in the Caucasus and Balkans. No natives of these places had access to islam. Even in Nigeria and West Africa here where islam heavily penetrated, there are dozens of tribes which have no single indigenous muslim, let alone Europe.

ladiesreject:
I hate Islam, I really do! I believe Muslims are the problem of the world, especially here in Nigeria where 80% of them are so violent, backward and primitive.

But I like Muslims for just one thing.
An average Muslim rather die with what he or she believes than compromise. Christian girls will never turn down the hands of a prince even if it's against Christianity.

It's about time Christians start their own Bible school (just like islamiya). This will help our young ones strengthen their beliefs and not compromise.

SayNoToIslam

Most of we christian children were taught christian studies and morals in our schools and churches/Sunday school, yet you even see Pastor's children living wayward lives. This is because christianity is a religion of live and let live. It gives freedom. Especially our predominantly Pentecostal/Catholic Nigeria of today.

Islam threatens people naturally with fear, torment, punishments, amputations, ostracism and death. That is why they are the way they are.

Unless we radicalize our doctrines intentionally, we can never measure up to the rascality of the islamic religion. Seperation is our best bet.

ollah2:
quit spitting nonsense. Only Saudi arabia doesn't allow other religions to be practiced in their lands but every other muslim country allow other religions to be practiced. You shoudl stop spreading falsehoods

Afghanistan does not allow too, while many others like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan e.t.c does not allow the free practice of other religions. It is heavily scrutinized, checkmated and limited. In a country like Pakistan, minority religions are attacked for no reason by the masses.

stormborn28:
but this same Muslims in Europe were quick to abandon their father land and joined ISIS... The moment they were being decimated ,they started running back to Europe

The truth is that, some of these immigrant muslims are being westernized while others aren't. It's like a 50/50 thing.

Ishilove:
It brings to mind when one heavily bearded muslim rejected my handshake in camp. I later got to find out he does not shake ANYONE.

Na their type dey radicalise ignorant muslims

He definitely shakes men but not women. When u see a muslim extremist with long beards/long hijab, do not even give him or her a face like they exist, let alone stretching your hands for them to shake. Avoid them like they are carrying a plague.

Konpresor012:
illiterate, they're 100% from Norway too. Fuc.king stupid bigotted illiterate, hope people with your attitude die & rot in hell.

They are not from Norway. No Norwegian native, muslim or not will act that way towards the crown, against her monarch. It is not difficult to know an immigrant when you see one.
Stop supporting madness in the name of religion.

Ibrahimmrfish:
You me all the Muslims in Nigeria went on a killing spree?When Muslims were attacked on eid group and were cannibalize in Jos did you see us pointing a finger at all the Christians in Nigeria.I living in Niger state,we never have a single religious crisis here so are i also part of the crowd the were fighting in Kaduna?No,
Fu-ck off you low form of a worm.

See this liar. Have you forgotten when a church and christians were attacked in Kontagora? Maybe you are a child of yesterday.
Christians holding a crusade were attacked in Rafi LGA some months ago.

There is peace in Niger state because the indigenous christians there have chosen to forever remain 2nd class citizens and silent there. The moment they start demanding their rights like in Southern Kaduna, the whole state will go up in flames.

GeoAfrikana:
For those saying that Rivers is a Christian state because it has a Christian majority population I guess you'll also agree with me that Nigeria is a Muslim country because it has a Muslim majority population.

So also all south-western states except Ondo and Ekiti are Muslim states because they have Muslim majority population.

If truely you believe what you're saying then you shouldn't have any problem with Kaduna governorship because it has a Christian minority population.

This is a simple and clear matter. Unfortunately, bigotry and hate obfuscates rational thinking.

Where did you take a religious census to determine that Nigeria is muslim majority? Or do you think that Nigeria begins and ends in Iwo? Even in Osun, Oyo & Ogun, you have no proof that it is muslim majority, neither in Kaduna. The fact that one religion dominates politics does not mean that they are the majority.
In Kaduna, 90% of the muslims in the state are of the same ethnic group hence a greater unity, but the christians are of many different ethnic groups hence more difficulty in unity.

Besides, Rivers is not just a predominantly christian state, it is 100% christian because there is no single indigenous community in the state that is predominantly muslim. This is the same situation in all the Southeast and SouthSouth states apart from Edo state.
Meanwhile in the whole north, only Sokoto can be said to be 100% christian with no single indigenous christian community, every other state in the north has at least 1 dozen christian communities. Tell me then who really has the majority in Nigeria.

meobizy:
The boy still no fine, sef. Na this one she brag about like say na angel wey retire from heaven? Mscheew. He was lucky to catch her at seventeen when she had no sense or an idea how to explore her sexuality. It’s very obvious na first boyfriend things still dey shack the mumu.

Bros I tire oo. The way she talked about this guy, you go fit say the guy na former Mr World finalist. This is why sometimes it is not good to agree with some people's hype.

TooMuchStuff:
Don't know why Wike even bother to explain his actions to complete aliens. What for?? U be Ameachi??

Make dem go Sambisa to build Mosques.

Yeye Parasites

Funny enough, most of Sambisa forest actually belongs to the christian tribes of Borno state. Most southernerns do not know this.

FEGNO:
How many churches are remaining in Egypt.? How many in Syria? How many are left in Palestine?
Nearer home how many are remaining in Bauchi. In the 1980's Bauchi was predominantly a Christian society or at worst at least half of that state. Yet today it is a core Northern State with no Christian able to even dream of ruling that state

No pls. Bauchi was never 50% christian. There were more christians in old Bauchi state, but most of them left to the new Gombe state when it was created. The current christian population in Bauchi is like 20%.

BabangidaHamza:
You are Liar for telling me that there are 35% christains in Katsina.. I have been to all the NW states and at least i spent a week there.. Find some one to tell your lies to..

It is not up to 35% christian in Katsina. It is more like 10-15%, same with Kano & Zaria. @ChristianEast.
Although, most of these indigenous christians will tell you it is more, but even as a christian who know these areas fairly well, I just can't accept this from them.

abdulkayus:
The number of Muslims in Edo are more than a million, so it is sizeable enough. And there are thousands of indigenous Muslims in River state and that is a fact.

A million Edo muslims only existed perhaps in the past. The rate at which Etsako muslims converted to christianity is too high. Right now only Etsako west LGA is still predominantly muslim in Edo state, no other.

Can u mention the Delta or Rivers state community where these thousands of indigenous muslims are found?

abdulkayus:
Nobody is denying that Rivers is not a state populated by the Christians even though they do have some small indigenous population who are Muslims. There should be freedom of worship. Other religion should be allow to practice their religion without sentiments.

There is no small indigenous population of muslims in Rivers state. There is no single community or village or even hamlet in Rivers state that is predominantly muslim, so how then can there be an indigenous muslim population?
Edo state is the only state in the South-South with any indigenous muslim population.

Noneroone:
pls kindly provide an instant where minority agitation got "bloody" in the Eastern region?

Adaka Boro

Deadlytruth:
So you don't know that your later adjustment of your earlier statement is tantamount to knowing that Afemai is not synonymous to the whole Edo North? Do you need people to say certain things verbatim for you to know they have knowledge of it? If I say "I am going there now to see him now that he has arrived', do I still need to specifically say 'I know he has arrived' before you believe that I am actually aware of his arrival? Stop hiding behind a finger. You are only playing smart without really being clever.


Can you site an instance or furnish a link to substantiate this claim that there are still Akoko-Edos and Owans who still believe in the Afemai project despite you yourself having acknowledged earlier than it is rightly viewed by them as an Etsako agenda being masqueraded as an all Edo North thing? If anything, Oshiomhole's record of consistently giving all positions to Etsako people and sitting in Etsako all projects meant for Edo North is the last straw that broke the camel's back since as far back as during his second term as governor. Even some honest Etsakos no longer believe in the Afemai thing let alone Akoko-Edos and Owans. Any of the latter still claiming to believe in it can only doing so for an ulterior motive.

https://owanassociationusa.org/history/owan-east?start=5

Go through this link. The website belongs to Owan association USA written by Owans themselves. Check the 2nd paragraph and see how they addressed Warrake as an Afemai town.

Cover your face in shame!

Even when you have seen the fact clearly from your own chosen source (Adeiza Paul)?
Don't tell me you are this dubious. Thank God it was you who mentioned him and credited him with victory in the debate. I have shown you the screen capture of what he himself asserted in corroboration of my exposition. You are so pained. But live with it. Next time stay out of issues which don't yet comprehend.


Your friend, source and mentor, Paul Adeiza, has himself told you that it is simply about the fact that the actual generic name is being eroded and supplanted. Go back to that post and read through his comments thoroughly.
I guess you don't even know the difference between ethnic group and tribe.
Those who have unnatural motives for rejection of being part of groups assume others are like them. This is just your problem. I asked you why the Oshukus in Cross River are not coopted into this hullabaloo but you have continued to dodge this part because it is the most devastating of all evidences that you are crying more than the bereaved. Tell us why you have consciously avoided responding to this particular poser.

I have seen some Ebiras talk about the existence of some Ebira speaking tribe in Cross River and even Benue. I am yet to establish that fact. The fact that most Ebiras may not be talking about this does not mean that they have an ulterior motive. Many Ebiras definitely do not know of this. They only know of the ones who are their neigbours and not someone very far away. The neighbouring Ebira tribes have not even finished uniting themselves yet you want them to go hundreds of miles away to a place unknown to them. This is why I said you need help.

An example for you, cos I like giving solid examples. Idomas claim Igedes & Agatus who are their neighbours, but they do not claim Etulos who are basically a riverine Idoma group who was cut off from them during Tiv expansion into Benue valley, this is inspite of the fact that Etulos share the same Benue with Idomas. Many Idomas I have encountered don't even know of the existence of Etulos.
(Now I expect you to reply me on how my example with the Idoma-Etulo relates with your Ebira-Cross river Oshuku people. Cos you don't have a brain to understand analogies when you see one).

All these is trash as it doesn't really relate to the issue in focus. Are Ebonyians claiming that Aniomas are Ebonyians? Are the Wawas claiming that Aniomas are Wawas?

No, but Ebonyians, Aniomas and Wawas know that they are all Igbos, just as Taos, Kotos, Opandas, Mozums and sensible Etunos know that they are all Ebiras

Can't you see you have spoken from both sides your mouth again? Read the two bolded statementscarefully and slowly.
For the third bolded, you are simply fooling yourself. The issue here has nothing to do with this your senseless claim which you have stuck to but about the correct generic name. If a people are in contest with each other over their correct generic name, that should even be an indication that they are not denying each other but trying to set the records straight for the purpose of truth which is the genuine harbinger of peaceful coexistence. Only in your moronic and rotten brain does such amount to rejection or whatever you choose to call it. You are just outrightly silly in the way you reason. So if within your family, one of your relations is trying to change the family name in a way that distorts the family's identity and you question him and insist on the right name, that means you are rejecting him? You are truly daft and dumb. This your hyper consciousness and paranoid tendency about this your Middle Belt solidarity is really driving you mad.

No, I am not an excessively insecured and paranoid fellow like you, this is why I am not even ashamed to acknowledge the weak points of my people.

I have nothing like a middlebelt solidarity in me. Personally, I do not even like the Ebiras as a people neither do I believe in a joint regional identity with them. I only involve in discussions on areas which I have a fair knowledge on. If an Okpe man from Delta state is giving reasons why he is not an Urhobo man, I might interfere if the issue lasts for long cos I know quite much about Delta having lived there for some time. This was why interfered in this Edo north issues not necessarily of a stupid regional alliance with Ebiras. Not everyone reasons like you.

The actual problem of the black man is his attitude of seeking unity unnecessarily. That is why the rather fraudulent one-Nigeria doctrine was invented and it has become the very reason why the country failed. When we had a more centrifugal arrangement in the form of three Nigerias (i.e. three autonomous regions) and later four going to five six...., things worked fine and there was peace and equity. But once the seekers of unity and nationalism came and dismantled everything, problems started which culminated in a war that became a national tragedy till today. If Nigeria's ugly post Independence history has not taught you that forced unity even among brothers and sisters is dangerous and counterproductive, then I wonder what ever will. Your people are being slaughtered daily by Fulani Herdsmen in the name of ' we are all one' yet you are still spewing this thrash of unity. Are you blind? If everyone remains autonomous, do you think we would have been having these intractible security challenges, corruption, etc? America is more diverse than Nigeeia yet no one talks of unity or One-America. Each person pursues his own personal welfare with the framework of the law. There are Americans of English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish descent but that doesn't make them to start forming some British nationalism groups here and there titled British descendants are one, blah blah blah......

It is only in a failed country you hear of such since people seem to resort to harbor such proclivity to seek consolation and assistance due to failure of government to live up to her responsibilities.
Even the Nigerians who form and join tribal groups in the US do so not for themselves but in pursuit of making impact back at home due to the non-accountability of the government back at home.

First of all, your bringing in of US analogy in comparison with Nigeria in your last paragraph shows how dumb you are.
Everyone in the US overtime integrates into the dominant Anglo-saxon language and culture after arriving there and generations later. This is what has helped USA to be united irrespective of the diverse origins of the people. Had it been most German Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans and co were still speaking their native languages and extensively practicing their native cultures like Nigerians, do you think the USA would have been the way it is?

If you think that Nigeria was heaven within the 3 regional governments left by the British, then you have a problem. Middlebelters were against Hausa fulanis in the old northern region and infact the first bloody crisis between Hausa fulanis and middlebelters started in 1956 in Tafawa Balewa town. It was only a matter of time before the whole region went into flames.

Same with the Eastern region, the minorities wanted out and it got bloody in some cases and this was before the unitary system.

The midwestern minorities complained of Yoruba domination and even after getting their region, Urhobos and Aniomas were not happy as they claim that Benin dominated everything. In Delta state now, Urhobos are not happy that Aniomas have the capital. When Rivers and Cross rivers were carved out of the East, immediately the bitter politics of Upland and Lowland tribes started in Rivers state. In Cross river the Ogojas wanted their own state as they believe Calabar dominate everything. In Akwa Ibom, bad blood between the Ibibios, Oros & Annangs.
If any country or nation is to go by the cry of every minority or oppressed people for autonomy, then every village would end up being a region and every family a state of their own.

Infact, had the unitary system not been abolished and the Northern & Eastern minorities got their own independent regions, expect serious internal conflicts from these regions, because a particular tribe or coalition of tribes in power will use the autonomous region's excessive power to oppress or intimidate others.

Europe was very very fragmented in the past where every kingdoms lived independently on their own, however, various wars and invasions had to force similar peoples to unite under one state/crown. Many minorities had to sacrifice their identities for this to be possible. This is why no matter how much Catalonia cries for independence from Spain, no neighbouring EU countries will ever support this cos they don't want more divisions in Europe.

Deadlytruth:
Where and how exactly do you place the dividing line which demarcates a big difference from a small difference?
Why is there a difference at all?

Smh. You need help.

Have the Etunos' population become 'significant' now that Onuka's people want them under the same identity albeit superimposed?
He didn't want to be seen as a tribalist yet he stole 200,000 bags of cement and shared it only among his own people? Do you even really go through what you write before posting them? Those who steal and don't want to be seen as tribalists do so and put all the proceeds in their individual pockets or share it among close associates cutting across different tribes. That is how to steal in a detribalized manner. We accuse our politicians of becoming true Nigerians in looting because they share the booties among themselves regardless of tribe and religion. Whenever an EFCC probe report surfaces you see all tribes and religions fairly represented in the distribution of culprits.

It is both dumb and moronic to isolate one of many instances of evidence given to substantiate a point and then term it as a case of judging a whole tribe with the action of one person. It is ultra moronic. I mentioned Onuka's case among many other assorted evidences to prove a point and in your usual poor comprehension you picked it in isolation. Your case is really serious. You are confused, I repeat. Go and re-read that part as an integrated whole before you start fooling yourself. A sensible person who even misunderstood such a point would rather first ask for more similar instances and only when such can't be furnished can he really make the accusation of judging a people with the action of an individual. But your premeditated mindset would not allow you take the path of common sense. Confused clown.


Do Ebonyi-resident Anambra and Ngwa people live in isolated exclusive communities there? Do they celebrate their festivals there in isolation? Stop sounding like a broken record.
Per the bolded; then what exactly is your point? Self contradiction galore. Why are they not united as one people if I may ask? Care to explain?

Your friend, Adeiza Paul, has himself made it clear to you in his post that it is Oshuku appelation that belongs to everyone. Go back there and read thoroughly this time around. I hope you will not accuse him of bitterness when you see where he wrote that in clear and unmistakable terms. Go back there now.

An Ebira Etuno traditional leader in the video posted by AdeizaPaul clearly talked about how much he wanted all Ebira tribes to unite including his own people and a non-entity like you wants everyone to believe everything you say about Ebira Etuno hook line & sinker.

Do you know that you are actually doing to others what you don't want people to do to you? With this revelation by this Ebira Etuno traditional leader, it is very clear that there are many Etunos who truly believe that they are one and a part of the combined Ebira identity.

I gave you an example of how Sokoto Hausas live seperately from Kano Hausas when in Kano cos they see Kano people as very wayward, yet u obviously were blind to this. And yes, certain Igbo subgroups celebrate their cultural days within other parts of Igbo land. If I give you a link on this, I hope you will accept that you are a confirmed idiot?

AdeizaPaul acknowledges an Oshuku descent for all Ebira speaking tribes, which is something I never argued about. Can you show me where he talked about an Oshuku ethnic group? Manipulative Serpentine Psychopath.