₦airaland Forum

rvp20182:
And you think Arabs who settled along the coast didn't influence the black people along the coast. The are two "black" muslim population in kenya - the bantus along the coast who are muslim and gave birth to Swahili language- and the somalis-boranas - who are cousin of Hasua-Fulani - Somalis became muslim in 8th century and by 10th century they were and have been muslim - and they are black like hausa. Next nonsense. Written texts - we got all that dating longer than 19th century Please try something else. Swahili written texts date way back.

Besides, why diid you omit the Nsibidi writing system developed fully 100% by Nigerians?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi

rvp20182:
And you think Arabs who settled along the coast didn't influence the black people along the coast. The are two "black" muslim population in kenya - the bantus along the coast and gave birth to Swahili language- and the somalis-boranas - who are cousin of Hasua-Fulani - Somalis became muslim in 8th century and by 10th century they were and have been muslim - and they are black like hausa. Next nonsense.

Are you not ashamed to be boasting with only Somali people who are just less than 10% the whole population of Kenya?
Can you show me a picture of an ancient Somali city in Kenya? I am waiting.

Apart from the Hausa-fulanis in Nigeria, the Kanuris (Kanem-bornu empire), the Nupes (Nupe kingdom) and Oyo kingdom were also reading and writing in Arabic through Islamic influence. All these groups combined today are at least 40% of Nigeria's population.

Besides, i am not talking about Arabs coming to your territory to influence you as in the case of swahilis.
I am talking of Black Africans travelling overseas and importing literacy like in the case of Nigerians. So pls don't bring in the coastal arabs here.

I am more interested in that of Kenyan somalis.

TayserMahiri:
Excuses left right and center. When will Nigerians ever man up and own up! You have failed because you cant manage your country, not all these shenanigans your saying. If the issue is christian vs muslim then just divide that shyt into two neighboring countries.

Nigeria cannot divide based on religion cos even in the Muslim dominated north, about 30% of the population are Christians while in the christian dominated south, about 20% are muslims.

There is a big difference between excuses and acknowledging one's problems.

I guess you should go and ask Indonesia why they are not doing better than Malaysia or ask China why they are not doing better than Taiwan or Hong Kong.

Stupidity is indeed very cheap.

If Nigerians are not making any progress at all, how come we overtook SA as the largest economy in Africa? How come we have a larger GDP per capital than most African countries and how come we have a larger percentage middle class than most African countries? Including your own little India?

rvp20182:
I see you repeating that lie. Kenya islamic culture is 1000 yrs old plus. Islam arrived in Kenya coast in 8th century - and cities like Lamu, Malindi and Mombasa dates 8th century. That is why they are mostly unesco sites. Arabs from Middle east arrived in kenya aboard moonson driven dhows and boats way back - before Islam made headway to north nigeria recently in 19th century . That is along the north and coastal kenya....our islam is older than Nigeria.

Mombasa city our second largest city was established in 900AD. The is huge arab population along the east africa coast - many in kenya - who have lived here and intermarried - created a new tribes - for more than 1,000 yrs!!

Your islam is 19th century - ours is 8th Century - that is 1,000 yrs old. Kiswahili which is merge btw Arabic and Bantu languages is centuries old...

Nigga, I am not talking of Arab or Persian civilizations on the east african coasts. I am talking of Black Kenyan civilizations.

Islam has been in Nigeria hundreds of years before Danfodio's jihad. So Arabic literacy existed before the 19th century in Nigeria.

Haven't you also heard of the Nsibidi writing system practiced by South-eastern Nigerians for hundreds of years now?

rvp20182:
Middle class is not just some figures.If you don't have electricity - you're not middle class. Leave alone shopping mall. You see you can cook data - but you cannot cook manifestation of poverty or middle class. So Nigeria can claim to have 20% people earning 20 dollars per day - but where are those people living, shopping, school, vacationing - where is the middle class family of 2-3 happy kids ?.

South Africa is middle class - and you can see it with you naked eyes. You don't need cook stats or charts.

Yeah, Nigerians suffer more elctric shortage because our power is more evenly distributed all over the nook and crannies of the nation.

We are not like Kenya who gives Nairobi citizens steady power supply while those in the slums and rural areas have very little to no power supply at all.

I followed the news of this recent flooding crisis in Kenya. I usually tune in to K24 once in a while. I noticed that in large swathes of Kenyan rural areas, there are no signs of electric cables. This is very terrible.

Kenya is a country with strong internal discrimination! Nairobi and few other urban areas are provided with everything while the rural areas and semi urban areas are left to perish with nothing. No wonder your Slums are so large cos everyone wants to live in Nairobi.

If not, tell me how a country like Kenya that generates only 2,000 mW of power supply distribute to 50 million citizens steady power supply. I am waiting.

TayserMahiri:
What do the Arabic writings say in your notes?? Kill the Kaffirs?

No, it tells of how millions of Nigerians were reading and writing hundreds of years ago while you 'Indian colonized bushmen were still playing nakedd in the forests.

rvp20182:
All these based on cooked GDP figures from Nigeria stats office. Middle class is living in house that has basics - electricity, water, sewage, broad band, with a car or two, fridge or such household goods, with kids going to good schools, with maybe holiday or two, with bank account, shopping in supermarket and malls, probably owning the house they live in, earning at least some decent salary (maybe 500usd at minum)..living in decent secure neighberhood...that is MIDDLE CLASS. Nigeria cooked stats is NOT middle class. Nigeria on electricity metric alone means there is no middle class in Nigeria...you have what 10 hours at best electricity...your fridge is probably dead if any....you mostly shop in corner shop...you kids go in some worse schools..insecurity everywhere...Nigeria is warzone...it cannot boost of any middle class. If it did....consumer goods companies would be rushing there...

South Africa has Africa biggest Middle class (Not Nigeria - unless you trust cooked figures). Kenya has decent middle class.

What middle class is there in Nigeria...when it's formal mall space is so tiny? Where do Nigeria middle class shop ? Kenya is second only to South Africa in formal retail (malls & stores) where middle class shop- who are so far ahead of everyone?What middle class is there in Nigeria ...when private spending data from super-markets shows they got no money to spend...unless Oil goes back to 100 dollars.

Nairobi has the highest available retail space in malls across sub-Saharan Africa in a development that has kept rent in the high-end shopping centres stagnant over the past two years, a survey shows.

Knight Frank Africa in a report highlighting real estate trends in the continent says Nairobi retail space in malls stood at nearly 500,000 square metres, far ahead of other top cities like Kampala (170,000 sqm), Lagos (150,000 sqm), Addis Ababa (60,000 sqm), Dakar (170,000 sqm) and Kinshasa (170,000 sqm).
South Africa has about 23 million square metres of shopping centre floor space, compared with three million square metres in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa.

“Outside of South Africa, the Kenyan capital Nairobi has the greatest volume of modern retail floor space in sub-Saharan Africa, and it continues to be a development hotspot,” said the survey.[i][/i]

Can you google the source of this stats before you start foaming in your mouth?
It is one of the world's leading stats analysis company based in the USA. Argue with them not us.

rvp20182:
All these based on cooked GDP figures from Nigeria stats office. Middle class is living in house that has basics - electricity, water, sewage, broad band, with a car or two, fridge or such household goods, with kids going to good schools, with maybe holiday or two, with bank account, shopping in supermarket and malls, probably owning the house they live in, earning at least some decent salary (maybe 500usd at minum)..living in decent secure neighberhood...that is MIDDLE CLASS. Nigeria cooked stats is NOT middle class. Nigeria on electricity metric alone means there is no middle class in Nigeria...you have what 10 hours at best electricity...your fridge is probably dead if any....you mostly shop in corner shop...you kids go in some worse schools..insecurity everywhere...Nigeria is warzone...it cannot boost of any middle class. If it did....consumer goods companies would be rushing there...

South Africa has Africa biggest Middle class (Not Nigeria - unless you trust cooked figures). Kenya has decent middle class.

What middle class is there in Nigeria...when it's formal mall space is so tiny? Where do Nigeria middle class shop ? Kenya is second only to South Africa in formal retail (malls & stores) where middle class shop- who are so far ahead of everyone?What middle class is there in Nigeria ...when private spending data from super-markets shows they got no money to spend...unless Oil goes back to 100 dollars.

So, since when did shopping malls become the major indicators of a middleclass population? Whitewashed white man's slave.
This is why Africa will always be ranked as last in every stats. Simply because we always do every ranking based on the white man's definitions.

I guess very soon, Nigerians will be addressed as the poorest country in the world because we do not celebrate 'Blanket and Tea' parties like you white men's slaves. Or because we prefer our traditional clothes than the white man's clothes.

Nigerians love our local markets a lot and we are very proud of them. We prefer some farm products very fresh out of the farms in their natural planted forms from the local markets and not always the refrigerated, with high toxic preservative, genetically modified foods saturating the malls.
If we are deemed backwards because of this, by you inferior minded little Indians and white man's slave, fine!

kikuyu1:
Haiyya?! Dangotelanders how is that possible? After all your screeching and finger pointing! BTW that is the ambassador talking not a Dangotelander.
Obviously he knows his figures! Say it with me geniuses;THERE ARE TEN TIMES MORE INDIANS IN DANGOTELAND THAN KENYA!!

Hahaha, our ambassador was just sweet-talking to entice greater business deals between Nigeria and India.

One million Indians in Nigeria and you believe that crap? Are the one million Indians in the atmosphere or on land? Gullible little Indians.

mtis:
You guys (Nigerians ) are really racists. So you want Indians to be third class so that you be happy . Your country will never progress with that kind of mentality. An that why people keep on telling you that Kenya is very different from Nigeria. That ol village mentality died way back…Good old education would be nice for Nigerian people. Kenya is moving forward while (based on some posts here)you guys are regressing ..I can only wish you luck

Hahaha, no, we are not racists. We are extremely proud black africans who do not give a shit about people with white skin. Unlike you 3rd class citizens in your own country who can never get enough of worshipping people with light skin and allowing them dominate you in your own country.

Clap for yourself, since your Kenya is moving forward. Only 10% of Kenyans are middleclass citizens (of which the majority are Indians) compared to Nigeria's 20% and you talk about moving forward?

popizaino:


Obaaderemi which one be "little Indian" again.

Kenya is little India and little India is Kenya.

Kenya is a colony of India.

Danielnino00:
If having a huge literacy rate translates to human capital development, then Zimbabwe the supposedly most literate country in Africa won't have a poverty rate of 70% and an unemployment rate that's so low that about 90% of them work in the informal sector...But u know why Zimbabwe isn't always in the news for that? it's because their population is so small.. just 16 million people .not up to the population of Lagos...

Exactly, I guess a higher literacy rate doesn't guarantee more prosperity.

The little Indians who claim to be more educated than Nigeria, yet their middleclass percentage population is far lower than ours.

kikuyu1:
You're telling on yourselves! We also have our own Somali NE counties bringing down our mean but as always we trump you in literacy.
Its not even close,like all relevant comparisons.




Dangoteland:

https://knoema.com/atlas/Nigeria/topics/Education/Literacy/Adult-literacy-rate

This is all I could find out I really really doubt those low figures,knowing Somalis and having been to Garissa-maybe they mean illiterate in English and many have learned Arabic in their universal madrassas.



https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/10/13/garissa-county-last-in-literacy-levels-at-82_c1651530

Sometimes one wonders if you 'little Indians' just love arguing for arguing sakes or you just have coconut heads.

How many are your Somali counties compared to our northern muslim states? There is no basis of comparison here.

If you even talk about Arabic/Koranic literacy, Nigerian muslims will be more literate than Kenyan muslims...

Our muslims for some years now always win a lot of koranic competitions in Saudi Arabia, but I see that as rubbish.

A large percentage of Northern Nigerian muslims have been literate in the Arabic script for over a hundred years before colonialism.
This is why we have Arabic writings on our naira notes.

nwoke37:
guy there may be few(very few) outliers but a look a the general picture would make one cry. The North as a whole is generally poorer than the South, no questions.

I mean where does polio(a disease that's been wiped out in most parts of the world) exist in Nigeria?

BTW Katsina has a very, very low literacy rate...
https://guardian.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/North-Infographics.jpg

Even Kaduna and Kano have higher poverty levels than much of Southern Nigeria... even comapred to Abia and Ebonyi
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Please, as much as reports like this help us to have an idea about statistics in Nigeria. We have to be careful about the sources.

You can imagine this your stats claiming that Taraba has a higher literacy rate than Plateau state. This is impossible!
I am from Plateau and I know the in and out of Taraba.

Taraba cannot be more literate than Plateau. Kogi also cannot be more literate than Benue!

These states are in my geopolitical zone and I know the people of these places very well!

sufferNsmiling:
Please stop fooling yourself how did you get 40 million nigerians in middle class when only 11% of the country are in middle class isn't this a shame.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/world/africa/nigeria-goes-to-the-mall.html

Go through this PDF file by the world bank.

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/143471467986244382/pdf/WPS7214.pdf

It is a more comprehensive and credible report on Nigeria's middle class, than your rubbish source!

Nonsense!!

68816419:
but i feel some northern states are more developed(Kano,Kaduna) than southern states(Abia.Ebonyi) and even more literate , take Kastina for example,

Kano & Kaduna might have more urban development than most southern cities, but the human development is quite poor.
Poverty and illiteracy is still higher in both states.

Abia might not have a more developed urban area but the poverty rates in the state are lower and the citizens are more educated.

rvp2018:
The excuse about size or north nigeria dragging her down is baseless.What would countries north of nigeria say.Nigeria in 70s and 80s after the oil boom basically left their farms for towns...their agricluture collapsed and now you got slum cities without electricity or running water or sewage or tarmac road..a city like kano or ibandan if you look at its picture would shock you...huge slumpolis if there was one.and huge swatch of empty land.Our company recently move to Nigeria and by most account rhe amount of ffallow land is straggering.Over reliance of OIL has completely destroyed nigeria..what was suppose to be a blessing is now an albatrosss on Nigeria giant neck.Kenya on the contary has it easy except for bad governance and pop growth ..both which are now improving or on check...and there is no doubt will soon be a proper middle class country soon.

It is easier said than experienced. You can only compare the experience of the effect of Nigeria's backward northern muslims if you imagine Kenya as one country with Somalia.

Now imagine Kenya as one country together with Somalia and the retrogressive Islamized Somalians and other islamized tribes to the north of Kenya have a larger population and dominate Kenya's politics. That is when you will understand what Nigeria is going through.

We are not arguing with you that over-independence on crude oil affects Nigeria. All, we are saying is that, it is not the only problem and it is not as bad as you think it is. This was the reason why when world oil price fell by almost 70% some years ago and Nigeria went into recession, yet we still came out of recession in less than 2 years in spite of the low oil price. What does that tell you?

Another problem Nigeria had was the proliferation of states by our past military regimes. Had it been we had maintained the first 12 Nigerian states created in 1967. Our cities would have had a far better look than they are now.
Nigeria's first 12 states were large in size and were more viable and productive, hence the states had more money to maintain their various capital cities and develop them well.
However, as you know, everything comes with it pros and cons. With the 12 states, more ethnic groups and sub-ethnic groups still complained of marginalization and the fact that the government was far away from them. Some of these states were still so large that it would take almost a day's journey from the interior/fringe rural areas to their state capitals.

The proliferation of Nigerian states brought about the creation of more city state capitals and increased Nigeria's urbanization and even development.

This is one thing that would take your Kenya decades to achieve. Kenya's uneven development is terrible. Almost everything in Kenya is situated in Nairobi and this is why every Kenyan wants to migrate to Nairobi, hence Nairobi having the largest slums in the world.

It would be much easier for Nigeria to achieve an industrialized and high middle-class population economy than your Kenya which is largely rural and unevenly developed.
In a country like Kenya with 50 million people, urbanization/development of only Nairobi and Mombasa is not enough to create a sfrong middle class population.

From every corner of Nigeria and even in the most arid parts of Nigeria we have large cities which could easily serve as economic centres.
If I ask you now, how many cities are there in Kenya's semi arid north? I guess none! All of them have to migrate to Nairobi to live in an urban area. Terrible!

nwoke37:
Nigeria has to start spending alot in the North. It's a shame that a country like Nigeria has a literacy rate of around 56%(wherein Nigerians are among the most educated in the U.S.), age expectancy of 55, and still has polio...

Nigeria also has to some how force the northerners to stop practicing backward practices such as underage marriage, and even almajirism.

Chai! Nigeria has a long way to go

This can only happen when

1) The South/Middlebelt regions of Nigeria unite politically and completely wrestle power away from the north. If they are being controlled effectively from the FG, they could be forced to abandon their backward practices.

2) We fight for the implementation of fiscal federalism. This option would be more difficult than the former if you ask me.

3) A strong national youth movement involving progressive northern youths, to aggressively campaign for western educational passion among the northern masses and the end to all their backward cultures like underage marriage etc

rvp20182:
Size is not an excuse. And Northern Nigeria is also not an excuse. Kenya has it's northern problem - way more problematic than Nigeria - because 2/3 of Kenya is Arid and Semi-Arid - inhabited mostly by muslim Somalis & Oromos with lots of Alshabab activities. The problem with Nigeria is OIL. And then really bad leadership - military generals after military generals.

Like Obaaderemi told you, the problems of northern Nigeria is bigger than that of northern Kenya. What is the population of muslim somalis, oromos etc in comparison with other Kenyans?
In Nigeria, our northern muslims are extremely large in numbers. They have more political representations and seats that the progressive southern christians...

That of Nigeria is like a living man carrying a dead man his own weight and running while that of Kenya is like a living man carrying a dead chicken running.. ..

Besides, northern nigeria is also facing serious desertification issues.

Obi1kenobi:
What the hell is there to "twist and turn" about a straightforward comment? I made a simple comment that B is more sophisticated than A and you turned it into an argument about whether B is sophisticated or not. Who is doing the "twisting and turning"?
China has a dominant group of ethnic Hans, but there are about 45 ethnicities including Uygurs, Manchurians, Mongols, Tibetans etc. Nigeria has far less ethnic groups than people make out. It's a country where people that are so closely related that there is little more than dialectic differences like Isokos and Urhobos, or several Igboid groups in the South South claim to be distinct ethnic groups. Nigeria only ranks 18th in ethnic diversity in the world. Countries like South Africa, Kenya and Ghana and even Gabon are ranked above us:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

Nigeria's problems has nothing to do with the complexity of governing multiple ethnicities. Endemic corruption and profound incompetence in leadership and an unworkable governance system has nothing to do with how many ethnic groups Nigeria has. What makes it the more silly is that in the face of the so-called "complexity", we employ a Unitary system of government rather than embrace Federalism. Whose fault is that?

QS and Times Higher Education are credible internationally cited rankings. No one cares about 4icu and Webometrics and their weird rankings.

You my friend are not being fair in your analogies.

China is populated 98% by ethnic Han chinese. The minorities in China are just there on paper. They absolutely have no say how the central government is run. They even barely have control over their own state governments. So, bringing in a country like China when we are talking of multi-ethnicity in comparison to that of Nigeria, I see it as very dumb (I'm sorry if my statement appears harsh).

As for South Africa, Kenya, Ghana etc , you also forget that these countries also have a form a majority uniform population under one criterion or the other, which at least offers some form of workability or similarity in reasoning.

Both Kenya and SA have a black bantu christian majority population. In Ghana, the Akan people and the Christians are the majority with over half of the population.
So, in most of these countries, the minority ethnic, racial or religious groups usually accept the leadership of the majority to an extent, with little or no opposition.

Nigeria right from time has never had a majority in anything! If you think we do, please show me.

In religion we are 50/50 christian/muslim and both religions are at loggerheads over domination.

There is no ethnic majority in Nigeria as the yorubas, Igbos and Hausas have equal majority status in Nigeria with almost equal population and are always at loggerheads.

Now, this was why we had a decentralized regional govt in the past which to a large extent favoured our development.
However, don't forget that minority groups which comprise almost 40% of Nigeria's population were under 'pains and bondage' during the regional govts.

Although of course, a regional govt was still a better option, but it still did not enliminate the ethno-religious rivalry in Nigeria, did it? It was that still the same rivalry that brought about the first coup that led us to the civil war, or not?
Other groups or religion would still feel dissatisfied about the domination of one ethnic group or religion at the central government.

theenchanter:
what I discovered about d difference between Nigerian n Kenyan universities is that.....majority of Kenyan universities are sited in Nairobi while Nigerian universities are scattered across d country. 22 out of the 59 Kenyan universities captured in that ranking are based in Nairobi while 149 Nigerian universities are captured, the state with the highest number of universities in Nigeria is Ogun with 14 universities.

Another thing is that 4 out of the 9 Kenyan universities in the top 200 are private while only 6 out of d 40 Nigerian universities in top 200 are private, the rest are public.

Thank you. This is exactly the reason why a country like Kenya would never be taken seriously.
Everything about Kenya is in Nairobi.

Take away Nairobi from Kenya and Somalia would be better than the outcome.

You see, this is one reason why people think Kenya is better than Nigeria.
Since the Independence of Kenya, the Kenyan government has spent virtually all it's money into Nairobi alone. Why do you think Nairobi has the largest slums in the world?
There are no opportunities elsewhere in Kenya, hence every Kenyan from the nook and crannies of Kenya want to live in Nairobi...

If not for the secessionist agitations of the coastal swahilis of Kenya, the Kenyan govt would have never thought of developing Mombasa (the major port city of Kenya).

Haven't you wondered why Kenya is still an overwhelmingly rural country?

Nigeria on the other hand is a predominantly urban country and the country through the state governments simultaneously manage dozens of cities and urban areas.

Take me for instance, I am from a middle class Nigerian family. My father was also from a middle class family, likewise my grandfather.
We have never really known what poverty is in my lineage for generations now. With all this, neither I nor any of my family members or even extended families have lived in Lagos or had any connection with Lagos. Neither of us live in Abuja either. And there are so many million others like me all over Nigeria.

In a country like Kenya, this is almost non-existent. Almost every middle class kenyan or at least 90% of Kenya's middle class live in Nairobi.

If anyone here doubts me, let all the Kenyans here tell you where they live or earn their living from, it is always Nairobi.

There are over 40 million middle-class Nigerians and majority of us do not live in Lagos or even have any connection with Lagos.

This tells you how uneven development is in Kenya compared to Nigeria. This is why no reasonable person should take Kenya with high esteem or any seriousness when it comes to the kind of development they brag about in their country.

Obi1kenobi, Obaaderemi, TayserMahiri, kikuyu1

obaaderemi:
Of course Kenya is a poor economy and not sophisticated in any way. But who brought up the "sophisticated" talk?You did.So why get hot under the collar when someone else used the same term in another context?Do you realize how much effect drought has on the Kenyan economy? This past year it has led to inflation and hunger. That tells you the economy is still tied to agriculture. And some tourism too. That's the same way Nigeria's economy tailspins with poor oil prices. But even with that, did Nigeria not get out of recession? The kind of argument some of you bring here is appalling. I tell you again, in Africa big multiethnic countries are difficult to manage and if Kenya with its relatively small population is struggling in terms of stats with a chaotic behemoth, it shows that small country is really suffering. By the way, sensible Kenyans themselves know their economy is not diversified at all:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/04/12/why-we-fail-to-diversify-economy_c1741509

This is one factor people like Obi1kenobi usually find difficult to understand.

Larger countries are usually more difficult to manage, especially if all the natural criteria in the making of a comparatively bigger and smaller country are the same.

I know that the analogy of China being bigger and better than Nigeria comes in, but I think that this is a completely unfair analogy. China is almost a mono-ethnic nation, quite uniform with 98% of the people of the country being of one ethnicity. The Chinese also have an extremely different civilization, history, cultures and foreign colonialism compared to Black Africans.

So, I think it would only be fair if we compared people of similar backgrounds and histories in comparatively smaller and bigger countries and assess the discrepancies in their development statuses.

So, let us begin with the ethnic Han Chinese for example. See how much better Taiwan, Singapore & Hong Kong are compared to China.
All these countries are dominated by the same ethnic Han Chinese people, yet the smaller ones are more progressive. Yes, we can argue that the systems of government in these countries differ, but however, these people have similar cultures, histories and outlook of life and this at least gives us a basis of comparison.

Look at Malaysia/Indonesia/Philippines and Brunei.
These countries are all dominated by the same Malayo-Polynesian people, who had similar histories, cultures, civilizations and values. Apart from Philippines with a christian majority, the rest are muslim majority.

So, let us ask ourselves, why is Brunei which is the smallest of all these nations the most progressive?
Why is Malaysia which is smaller than Indonesia more progressive than Indonesia?

After decades of the partitioning independence of India, Pakistan immediately outpaced India in developmental strides with a very wide margin. How on earth could this easily happen if not for the huge population difference?
It was not until the 80s when some politicians brought in Islamic fundamentalism into Pakistani politics that India started catching up with Paki in terms of development and slowly outpacing them, but even at that, India still has a larger percentage (mind you, not population) of poor people. Pakistan is still better than India in many aspects in spite of the issues of terrorism.
Let us not even bring in Sri Lanka here which is smaller than both countries and is clear more progressive than both.

I am not concluding that this scenario plays out in all cases, but at least this should give us a clear picture of how the analogy of population in managing a country plays out.

Kikuyu1, TayserMahiri

obaaderemi:
I can see you are trying hard to be politically correct here. It's good as it will help sooth the Kenyans' frayed nerves. They have been so angry lately by all the exposure here. But to be honest,you are wrong, bro. Their economy is not as sophisticated as they have made you believe. We've shown that in IT Nigeria leads them, in agriculture we rake in more money per capita than Little India, in manufacturing, our PMI is higher, in spite of poor power supply. Nigeria exports cars and boats, little India doesn't. The only thing they seem to enjoy more is power supply-this is due to corruption in our power sector, heck! Even Togo and Benin republic enjoy more power supply especially in their capitals. So Nigeria deserves a lot of respect and when I say that I don't mean our stupid leaders. How come Kenya a country of just 48 m and relative peace is struggling hard with Nigeria, a country of 180 m with about 50m northerners who are mostly illiterate and backward, in terms of developmental stats? That's the question you should ask. If the Kenyans understand this little fact, they will weep.

Thank you so much for continuing to at least defend Nigeria before these little kenyan brats.

Obi1kenobi, We know how terrible Nigeria is compared to where we are supposed to be, but we have proved to Kenyans from the beginning of this thread that even if anyone should point a finger at Nigerians, it can never be Kenyans.

The thing about Kenyans is that they do a lot of sweet-talking and positive-hyping and bragging about Kenya to the extent that if you are not careful enough, you will begin to fall for their lies.

I was almost falling for their lies not until I really did some good research and discovered that yes, Kenya is actually better than Nigeria in some aspects, but Nigeria is better than Kenya in many more aspects.

I really give Obaaderemi some thumbs up for having the patience to reply these Kenyans. I have given up a long time ago.

obaaderemi:
Now you are hurting our Kenyan brothers and you know how brightly they glow and burn when they see your comments. So are we on safe grounds if we called Kenya Little India?

Hahaha, you said it. They are now glowing and burning. Lol

kikuyu1:
Nigga,call us Little Swaziland or Vietnam if it makes you feel better! That you seek emotional release from a genius on nowenuse's level says more about you than your increasingly idiotic redundant posts ever will.

TayserMahiri

Kenya is India's little colony. Lol

The only African country where Indians are the first class citizens.

And the Bantus allowed it to continue due to their extreme obsession and worship of light skin.

obaaderemi:
No you are wrong, man. The Indians have far more influence in Kenya than our local businessmen will ever allow here. In fact, the richest Kenyan is Indian.

The richest kenyan is not just an Indian, but the richest Kenyans are Indians. It is a plural statement.

The top 3 richest Kenyans are Indians..

Infact, check the top 10 richest Kenyans, apart from corrupt Kenyan political elite families, the rest are Indians. It's that bad.

TayserMahiri et al can attest.

MrMystrO:
Do you know that there are pain inducing acoustic devices which are almost common now that are shot at protesters making them to even stay as far away from the police or the protest scene as possible? There are countless ways these protests could have been handled successfully, Limiting the number of casualties without Leading to an all out massacre of Women and children. In as much as The Palestinians deserve some blame themselves for protesting too much, Killing Them is still Not acceptable OR should we all say.. yes it's acceptable LET THEM KEEP KILLING THEM AS LONG AS THEY KEEP PROTESTING...Should we say that? I guess Not. A better Alternative should be sought. That's my only point.

You are correct

MrMystrO:
Bro, get me Right I am not against Israel, Definitely far from it. However What I am against is their tactics of killing Unarmed protesters, That is what I think is Wrong because I believe what is wrong is wrong regardless of which side you're on. But then people here are picking sides ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE based on Religious sentiments instead of a Rational Moral look into the matter and that's where it hits me. We should All condemn any ACTION that is wrong at all times regardless of who is perpetrating the act or else we are no different from the monsters at the other Side(The islamic Terrorists) and those who support the Israeli Massacre but condemn Islamic Terrorism are also guilty of Hypocrisy that stinks to the high heavens.
The Same way should condemn the FG of Nigeria for turning a blind eye to the innocent people slaughtered in the middle belt is the same way we should Condemn the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT For turning a blind eye to their soldiers killing protesters whether they are Muslims or Not(Heck some Christians on here believe those protesters deserved to be killed because they are Muslims!! I kid you Not!! That's how bad it has become). I bet you've seen how protesters are dispersed when protests turn violent in Germany, UK, US and so on...Tear gas, water pump dispersals, a lot of different methods can be applied in dispersing protests instead of murdering Innocent Men, women and CHILDEREN(YES children, Over a dozen have been killed) Who do have the RIGHT to protest just like me and you when we feel we are Oppressed. The problem is this has turned into a sentimental issue of Christians/Jews vs Muslims and so it has become almost impossible for people of either side both Muslims and Christians to treat this issue with as minimum bias as possible. This is Not me condemning Israel(I have no power to do that..what difference will it make anyway) But this is me Condemning THIS PARTICULAR ACTION Of theirs to KILL Unarmed Protesters. If we are to Require a certain moral standard From ALL Nations, Then NO NATION should be exempted From these Standards, Not even Israel.

I hope I was able to pass my message well across.

Yes I very much understand you. You are correct.

But don't you think these protesters are taking their protests too far? They made it clear that their aim is to take down the boundary net and go into Israel forcefully to reposses their land.

Isn't that infiltration into the sovereignty of Israel of which their military has the right to protect their territory against infiltration?

Although I do not support them for using live ammunitions, they would have used rubber bullets instead. Tear gas was no longer stopping these people from approaching the border. Otherwise, during the earlier stages of protests, only tear gas was used.

MrMystrO:
Nigeria is a Nation of FOOLS. Just look at them up there supporting Israeli oppression, The same thing they are trying to fight against here. No Wonder the Jews call Christians FOOLS.

**Spits at the stinking ignorance***

When you are presented with 2 evils to take a side, you take the lesser evil.
Most Nigerians see muslims as a greater evil and would rather take sides with Israel.

I honestly feel for Palestinians and their oppression. But Only one who does not know of the wickedness and expansion tactics of the Arabs and muslims will support them over Israel.

greggng:
Stop dreaming . Militarily China is no match to USA. Whether conventional or crude. Only Russia 've capacity to dare USA but they will be defeated cos they 've no strong allied like USA with NATO. History is behind USA and her allied. There is no chest beating on this one. I 've taking my time to analyse the military capabilities of the 5 world powers China came last

Where did you do this analysis? I'm interested in the write-up?

Olabenjamen22:
Well Arab are know for land grabbing since decay, same reason the original inhabitant of Egypt are in extinction and now occupy by Arab.

Original inhabitants of Egypt are not really extinct. They were Arabized. Likewise the people of the Levant (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Palestine). They were never arabs in the past. They were arabized.

uuzba:
Well the first step is to begin by speaking one language.
On our own we have about 600 languages in this Nigeria area. We were not talking to each other.
They colonised us and gave us English. This is now our national language that we can all use to communicate with each other and make progress.
Have you heard Buhari's English?
When people bounce around speaking bad English, you don't know how much damage we are doing to our nation.

That is where the problem comes. Which single language are we now going to adopt as our national language asides English, that would go down well with everyone? None.

Besides, Buhari speaks poor english because he is not well educated. No well educated person will not speak the language of his literacy very well.

uuzba:
Unlike Nigeria, the entire United Kingdom land and people are UNDER the royal family. Everybody pays tax to the King/Queen.
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In Nigeria any f*cking politician is OVER all our monarchs.

It is only of recent that the Monarchy has gone to the background.
But I tell you, every British Prime minister, must be an Anglican (the church of the land, headed by the King/Queen), must go to the Royal Palace and KNEEL DOWN before the King or Queen.
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From Winston Churchill to John Major to Tony Blair to Theresa May. They have all knelt down to this their Queen.

See British currency. See the face of the Queen on their currency. She OWNS the land.
Our monarchs in Nigeria don't have jack.

This is because Nigeria was a colonized entity brought about by the amalgamation of different distinct groups of people.

You cannot compare us to the British na, can you? Their kingdom is one large united kingdom that conquered and colonized almost the whole world.