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Obalufon:
Can you speak akoko language do you understand it ?

No I am not from there.

UFAShow:
Dear Nyangau123,

my name is Sinikka and I work for a German TV production company. We really would like to show your pictures. Is it possible to contact you to explain everything?

All best
Sinikka

Perhaps you can explain to me better by inboxing me or writing to my email at nowenuseka@gmail.com

Obi1kenobi:
Yes. A bi-racial, American raised, American educated man became President. His African father's only relevance in his life was as a sperm donor. No one said Nigerians and other Africans aren't doing well in America. I was addressing your profound delusion of laying some kind of claim to America at the expense of your homeland. Your ancestors, your parents and yourself are contributors to the shiitiness of the "shithole" you speak of. Cos you contributed nothing of value to lift it. You own it. The entire world will always see you as a Nigerian. In Florida, hardly a bastion of American progressive politics, you'll always be asked by a bunch of rednecks where you're from. Niggas with funny names and accents will always be from "somewhere" in the consciousness of real Americans - which you certainly aren't.

Your deranged ranting and rabid frothing doesn't detract from reality. You're a black ass, Niger-Congo nigga from West of the Niger in Nigeria. The shame of your roots is yours to bear. The shame of your tribe. The shame of your country. The shame of your continent. The shame of your race. It is all yours to bear. America, a product of Western civilization will never be yours to claim. In your dreams.

I have always been coming across your encounters with this 'hateful irrational child of a confused background' called Ikechukwu12 or nonaira3 or whatever he calls himself.
You are really his perfect match. Imagine the leech thinking he can claim the handiwork of western civilization. He doesn't know that he and his descendants will always continue to bear the shame of his race, tribe, country and continent, even if he migrates to the moon to settle.

I myself seriously continue to work hard on myself to become very influential in the nearest future to positively impact the people of my race, continent, country, state and tribe.
I am not a coward who will run away to try to claim the sweat of the ancestors of another person.
Since my own fore fathers did not pay the price for me, I would definitely pay it for my children and our homeland.

The western world did not get where it is today overnight. It came with a lot of hardwork, shedding of blood and paying the price.

pazienza:
Claiming Ife origin means nothing. Oral history in this part of the world are usually tainted to reflect present political realities.

Many communities in Akoko SE claim Ife origin, yet they all speak Edoid languages, from Isua to Ipe, Epinmi, Ipesi, Ifira, Sosan, they all speak Edoid languages as first languages and Yoruba as a second language.

From my encounter with these people , I believe they are Edo people who are suffering from inferiority complex and are striving too hard to become Yorubas when it's obvious they are Edo. They all claim to have migrated from Ife and that the current Edoid languages they speak was as a result of their interactions with Edo people during their journey From Ife to their current location.
Their identity crisis is reminiscent of those of Ika and other Bini origin claiming, but Igboid speaking Igbo communities.

The entire Akoko SE is Edoid, and have no reason being part of Ondo.
But the people are currently Yorubaphilic and Edophobic, and are currently striving hard to kill off their indigenous Edoid languages and replace them with Yoruba languages.
They had already done this with their names, as most of them now bear Yoruba surnames and first names, Edoid names are becoming a rarity amongst these Edoid speaking people.
It's truly amazing.

I don't think you should blame all the Edo speaking Ondo people who claim yoruba origin and identity. They obviously have more to gain by claiming yoruba identity than Edo identity

9jakool:
I might do a breakdown of Akoko Edo in the future, but these kind of things require a lot of time and research. The only Edoid speaking parts of Ondo state are Isua area, Ipe, Ekpemi, and Iyayu quaters in Idoani. Now let's make a distinction between Edo and Edoid. These four communities don't identify as Edo, because they are not Edo, but Edoid speaking groups. Your average Edo speaker from Benin cannot hold a conversation with these people because while their language are related, they are not the same. It is the same way Igalas aren't Yorubas despite speaking a Yoruboid language (that is not necessarily mutually intelligible to Yoruba). In fact, these particular four communities identify as Yoruba and trace their origin to Ile-Ife like most if not all the peoples in Akoko Ondo area. Most of their kings have Yoruba titles and claim descendant to Oduduwa.

Yes, good observation about the Okpe people. There are quite a number of Yoruba speaking communities in Edo state. It's a known fact that there are ethnic groups in Akoko Edo and Owan areas that claim origin from Ile-Ife, practice Yoruba culture and religion and speak Yoruba language in additional to their own distinct languages. There are also some monolingual Yoruba communities that speak a dialect of the Yoruba language such as Imeri, that was only ceded to Ondo state just a couple of years ago.


Aside from these communities in the Afemai area, there are a few Yoruba communities even found in the heart of Edoland. I'm talking specifically about the Northern parts of Ovia SouthWest and the Western border areas with Ondo state. The town of Usen, as well as the surrounding towns and villages are not native Edo speaker. Your average Edo speaker cannot hold a conversation with an Usen speaker since they speak a Yoruba language. To this day, the traditional ruler of Usen is referred to as Olu Awure.

You did a very great job in this thread. Kudos to you! More pieces like this for you.

It's such a shame that Nigerians are not taught history in school and we do not even know ourselves and origins very well.

Pls I'd like to ask.

1. Do all Akoko people irrespective of their dialects identify as one people? Do they have pan-unity forums?

2. How on earth did the non-edoid and non-yoruboid speakers find themselves in Akoko land in between Edos and yorubas? And they were never absorbed for so many years?

3. Do all the non-yoruboid speakers in Akoko speak yoruba as a lingua franca? If yes, is it specifically Oyo dialect (central yoruba)?

4. Are the non-yoruboid speakers facing language extinction threats in Akoko? Due to the strong influence of yoruba language?

9jakool:
Yes, Tutsi and Hutu speak the same language, but they have different culture, oral history, and point of origin. To simply say they are the same ethnic groups would be ignoring centuries of history. The Yorubas of Ilorin are Oyo subgroup. That's a fact. North Korea and South Korea despite having different political systems both still have ethnic Koreans.

Germany and Austria are both nationalities and not ethnic group. The ethnic group residing in both country are still known as German.

You are correct, but are you just going to throw away the fulani, hausa and Nupe bloodlines in Ilorin and claim that all Ilorin people are from Oyo? That's not fair now.

Yes Koreans still managed to maintain the same ethnicity cos it was quite obvious that they were divided not too long ago by the selfishness of the western and Russian powers, but pls do not make the mistake to address Austrians as ethnic Germans. This does not go down well with most of them. They reject it outrightly.
Dutch people are also Germanic and infact they speak very similar and intelligible dialects with northern Germans. Yet they rejected German identity.

How about Catalonians, Galicians, Portuguese and Spanish? Or even Bosnians, Croats and Serbs with a common origin who speak exactly the same language but so much dislike each other.

Seems like there is a very thin line between the definition of ethnicity, dialects and nationality.

I think people should just be allowed to identify themselves however they please.

gallivant:
He got rich through slavery and Islam, just like Dangote. There is nothing to boast about here. In fact, you should be ashamed, descendant!

Did the Europeans whom you worship today not also get rich through slavery, exploitation and colonialism? So what's your point? Besides you have no basis for that assertion. Mali had a lot of gold which it traded with the outside world.

Besides, A lot of the citizens of Malian empire were educated and could read and write. Remember one of the oldest universities in the world was in Mali. So the Malian masses were also beneficiaries of the greatness of their kingdom.

kayfra:
That's bullcrap cop out nonsense affiliating the fulani emir with a slight yoruba heritage. It's an abysmal attempt to make the institutionalized subjugation more palatable. It's pure garbage. Grow some balls and take what is rightfully yours instead of Ngba ti Ngba ti excuses

Don't mind 9jakool. He has obviously fallen for the fulani subjugation tactic by agreeing that Ilorin emirship is more yoruba. This is the way fulanis use in perpetually subjugating people, by making you to think they are one of you. Lies!

As much as fulanis have romanced the Hausas and make themselves appear as one people, when the chips are down, those with pure and paternal fulani ancestry know themselves and continue to execute their agenda.

Moneywomen17:
Austria are descendants of German and some other group but they have forge their own identity. Ilorin situation is different in the sense that some people there see no problem with intermingle with Fulani based on Islam but still see themselves as Yoruba why some people are not Yoruba but a mixture of Yoruba and Fulani. Why some are plain Yoruba with no tolerance for Fulani.

Yes, but all Ilorin people are united by one cultural and political system which ties them all to the caliphate. Ilorin people as a whole do not practice much of yoruba cultures or yoruba political system.

Afterall, not all Hausas accept a hausa-fulani tag. Some are pure hausas, some are mixed hausa-fulanis, some are hausanized fulanis, some are pure fulanis. But they keep on being bundled under one system which gives them a joint identity.

Can't you see that the pagan and christian hausas who rejected Islam are not called Hausas by the mainstream islamic hausas? They are called MAGUZAWA.

Ethnicity is heavily tied to political identity. 9jakool

OkutaNla:
Dude, I'm not 'forgetting' anything. My statement was made within the context of Kwarans that identify as Yorubas ONLY, irrespective of the Senatorial district they fall under.

Well, you did not specify that, did you? You generalized Kwara.
It would have been better if you said 'yoruba speaking kwarans'. At least then we would have known you are talking about Kwara central and south only.

9jakool:
Well, the middlebelt isn't exactly Southern Nigeria now is it?

Yes, the Esans tried as well in fending off the Nupe jihadists (not fulani jihadists) from encroaching into Esanland. Also, neither Esanland nor Auchi share a direct border with the Sokoto caliphate. Yoruba were the last frontier between the vast ethnic groups of Southern Nigeria and Sokoto caliphate. The Yorubas were the only ethnic groups in the South that I know of to dare TAKE BACK territories captured by the Fulani.

When did the concept of northern & southern Nigeria come about? Was it not colonialism?

Is Oyo more southerly located than Kogi?

Igalas related with more southern ethnic groups like the Igbos and Edos and share more culture with them more than Oyo people did.

9jakool:
Yes, Ilorin might be an oddity, but it doesn't detract from its identity. The emirate culture is built on Islam and Islam is not an oddity in Yorubaland. A different political system doesn't discredit someone's true identity.

Yes, a different political system can completely change someone's identity.. Infact that is too much. An ordinary farming or survival system can change one's identity.

Hutus and Tutsis speak the same language, the only major difference between them was that some were herders and others farmers. We all knew where this took them.

You cannot define yoruba culture or identity in Nigeria without some common cultural elements. It's these cultures that make one a yoruba. Now, when a people do not practice almost all of these cultures, how can they be yorubas?

Tell me, is it just language alone that makes one a yoruba? Germans and Austrians speak the same language but they do not share ethnicity.

TayserMahiri:
Thats too much energy to run away from the question. Give me the name of your specific tribe. I want to see what a tribe that produces people of your caliber can achieve.

I have told you the kingdoms and civilisation my people descended from. How does that hurt you? You can check the achievements of these kingdoms even before the white man came to colonize you.

Do you even know your origin? Where did you originate from? Apes? Lol

TayserMahiri:
Who wants to be more white than Nigerian bleachers? There is nothing normal in Kenya from the picture you posted. Kenyans are some of the proudest, self-respecting, and respected Africans you will ever meet. In your country, normal are the Bobrisky kind of things that you guys do and shamelessly call it 'Toning'.


You should listen to this song before we get the groove on with your favorite topics. A kenyan had to go out of his way to ensure you get the memo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8LFwC1nEpU

And a Nigerian had to be featured in this song, if not it would have been worthless just as most Kenyan songs are.

Besides, at least Nigerians have not gotten to the desperation of bleaching to the extent of Kenyans who collectively use vaginal discharge for bleaching.

Nigerians are making ground-breaking scientific and medical discoveries while see what kenyans are discovering. Smh

TayserMahiri:
You dont know any Bantu kingdom?

Not in East nor Central Africa I don't. Save for Zimbabwe who tried to establish something.

Whereas West Africa produced the richest man in the world at a particular time.

TayserMahiri:
When exactly did your tribe emerge? I know you can do anything to tie it to NOK culture, which was probably a proto-Bantu culture to start with.
And your people, aside from taking NOK glory, what have they done for themselves, leave alone to humanity?

How do we take Nok glory when we are the descendants? Lol

The definition of tribe to a large extent in Nigeria was defined by the Europeans when they arrived.

All the tribes in my state for instance speak similar languages, have similar cultures etc, but we were not classified as one ethnic group simply cos the British wanted only one major ethnic group in the northern region (the Hausa-fulanis).

So you judge us by the kingdoms we identified with before the Europeans came and not with our independent tribes.

For instance most of the people who identify as yorubas and Igbos today never identified themselves as such before colonialism. The british did the mergers and seperations.

TayserMahiri:
Lol,,, lets start with your tribe. I recall you telling me its small, together with Skirty whose tribe is another small one. What kingdom did your tribe build? What has your tribe achieved in its entire existence? I forgot its name but I think it has only two letters. Stop taking credit and joyriding from the achievements of other tribes. Let us know whether your tribe had the collective IQ to do anything for itself, aside from siring a mentally deficient Nowenuse. The only people who talk like you are the ones who havent achieved anything for themselves.

If you have beef with Bantus you better raise your standards, because they are so unapologetic for conquering vast swathes of the continent, spearheading the largest ever human migration and kickstarting farming just to mention a few.

How can you say Bantus kickstarted farming? Where did they learn it from? What have west africans been doing all those years?

Can you explain why Bantus could not establish any single kingdom?
You people fvck too much and breed like rats, that was why your populations were spreading like wildfire.

Even in Nigeria, the only major Bantoid group (the Tivs) are known to be sex maniacs. They had a culture where a visitor gets to choose one of his host's wife to fvck for free as a show of welcome.
The average tiv man used to have dozens of children.

TayserMahiri:
Lol,,, lets start with your tribe. I recall you telling me its small, together with Skirty whose tribe is another small one. What kingdom did your tribe build? What has your tribe achieved in its entire existence? I forgot its name but I think it has only two letters. Stop trying to take credit and joyriding from the achievements of other tribes. Let us know whether your tribe had the collective IQ to do anything for itself, aside from siring a mentally deficient Nowenuse. The only people who talk like you are the ones who havent achieved anything for themselves.

If you have beef with Bantus you better raise your standards, because they are so unapologetic for conquering vast swathes of the continent, spearheading the largest ever human migration and kickstarting farming just to mention a few.

Hahaha, I laught at your ignorance. Do you think all the smaller tribes in Nigeria fell from the sky? Almost every tribe in Nigeria traces it's origin from one major west african kingdom or the other.

First of all, have you heard of the NOK civilisation that existed thousands of years ago? You can look up on that. It existed in the state I am currently from. My people are partly of this origin. Some others are descendants of Kanem-bornu empire, others are descendants of Kwararafa kingdom.

Some of the most powerful kingdoms in Nigeria were even created by current day minority Nigerian tribes.

OkutaNla:
Boss man, my mother is from Kwara (igbomina), and in those parts they see themselves as a part of the SW through and through, ditto the Offa and Ekiti folks in the state, so without a doubt the majority of Kwarans and Okuns are not 'deniers'. But in any case, those that choose to renounce or deny being a part of the larger family are free to do so in my opinion, though thankfully they are in the minority and are therefore inconsequential.

Hmm, are you forgetting that the entire Kwara north have no relationship with yoruba people? While Kwara central (Ilorin) is a hotbed of Identity crisis between Yoruba accepters and deniers.

Kwara south is the only safe and absolutely proud yoruba zone in Kwara state. So you could watch the way you use 'majority of Kwara' here.

Nofav0rs:
Are you mad? TF wrong with you? How dare you jump on my mention with insult. Who TF you are to question my origin and background?

Who are the 'they' agitating to be Yoruba? How does speaking Yoruba make anybody Yoruba? You mean to say the fact we speak English in Nigeria makes us all English/Brits? TF is wrong with this dude?

I am an Okun man and I am NOT Yoruba. Argue with your ancestors

9jakool. I think I remember arguing with you sometime in the past that there are Okuns who reject yoruba identity? Well, here you go.

I told you that I have come across some of them, albeit, seems like they are in the minority. Most Okuns accept yoruba identity from what I have seen.

9jakool:
Yorubas were the only group of people in Southern Nigeria to sucessfully halt the fulani's expansion southward when the Hausas and many other groups in the North were being overrun by Jihadists. It took a united coalition of Yoruba city states to stop their advance. Ilorin was the only casualty of the war. If it weren't for this very fact, I'm sure the whole of Southern Nigeria would be overrun by Sokoto. I doubt the Southeast would stand a chance against them. I doubt you could organized a strong enough military coalition to tackle the Jihadists like the Yorubas did. Especially, not with the non centralized clanship political system you had back in the day.

The yorubas were not the main people to stop the spread of fulani jihad to the south. The middlebelters (Tivs, Igalas, Idomas, Jukuns, Plateaus) were.

Esans also fought against Nupe/fulani jihadists from spreading forward from Auchi.

9jakool:
However that "many" people may be, they are far far less than the self-identified Yorubas of the city. Ilorin is a Yoruba city. Doesn't Bida have an emir? Why aren't we here arguing if Bida is a Nupe town or not? Maybe Kano is no longer a Hausa city anymore. Yoruba haters are so fixed on the identity of Ilorin. This is what keeps them awake at night.

The comparison of Nupe/Hausa emirates to that of Illorin holds no water. This is because the entire Nupe land and Hausa land have embraced the emirate system and integrated it into their culture. It has become part of their identity. This cannot be said for the Yoruba nation as a whole.
The emirate culture and essence has no business with mainstream yoruba identity hence Ilorin will always continue to remain odd to yoruba essence and identity.

otr1:
To clear your doubt, go to Shao in Moro and call them Fulani or Ilorin, when you're done there, head to Afon in Asa and do the same.

The fact that many people in Moro reject to be adressed as being under emirate rule doesn't change the fact that they are under emirate rule, does it?

See some of their elders fighting below to be recognised as an independent chiefdom. Something they will never get as long as Ilorin fulani elite families dominate and control Kwara.

http://www.punchng.com/moro-elders-petition-fg-say-our-lg-not-under-ilorin-emirate/amp/

otr1:
Are also counting Asa, Moro as part of Ilorin Emirate?
Ilorin Emirate ends in Ilorin West, East and South local governments. For avoidance of doubt, Shao, which is the next Town to Ilorin in Moro LGA have a very big signpost that says "No Emirate Here".
Yorubas still has 9 LGAs that are proud Yorubas.

Ilorin emirate covers the entire Kwara central including Asa & Moro officially. Are there any Obas in Asa or Moro? Hell no!
There are Nupe communities in Moro, hope you know that?

Johncuppa:
We need to be true and sincere with ourselves for once at least.
What really do you expect the man to do exactly?
To stop the killing? How?
To resign? Will that be a factor to stop the killing?

Does his being silence support the killings?
If he dare talk, they will show him a way out and you people won't still be able to do anything and that will be worse.

Let's just put ourselves into his shoe.
What do we think he should do?

In life, we cannot eat our cake and have it!.

Did Osibanjo not know that many christians supported APC because of his pastorship title? Now that it is time for him to live up to the title he used to sway votes, he is clueless. He should never have used a title he couldn't live up to in the first place.

You must be a muslim cos no sane christian can comment like you did.

victrick105:
nope.. there has been this mix up of taking Hausa's and Fulani's as the same... Hausa's are more peaceful than the Fulani people... infact ,the Fulani's are not really of Nigerian origin as most of them found there way into Nigeria from neighbouring countries like Chad, Niger etc during there mission to spread Islam across northern Nigeria

Hausas are not more peaceful than fulanis. They are only more deceitful. Hausas are expansionists too. They tried to take over Jos, Southern Kaduna, Abuja etc

Don't they fight with yoorubas too in the SW?

Simbrixton:
Yoruba have 12 local government out of 16 yorubas are the majority and in the past the emir Palace was burnt by the afonja descendants Union i agree yorubas cannot claim kogi but we can claim kwara

Are you counting Kwara central (Ilorin) as yoruba land? Many people in Ilorin emirate reject yoruba tag and claim to be fulanis, hausas and Nupes.
Kwara south is the only pure yoruba land in Kwara state.

TayserMahiri:
How come we never see these news in Kenya? Do you guys manufacture them?

How can you guys see it when things like this are normal everyday experiences in Kenya?
I mean, in a country where everyone worships whites and desperately wannabe like whites. I guess that lady would even be celebrated in Kenya.

TayserMahiri:
Thats not even Blankets and wines. How is drinking a white thngy? We've been doing Muratina since we were in West Africa

Was that the reason why you guys devolved when you left west africa? I mean, you guys left west africa wearing clothes only to be naked and completely unrefined in east africa.

I see the reason why you Bantus were never able to build any single Kingdom or empire in East Africa.
If not for the Arabs and Indians that brought some civilization and Swahili language to you people, only God knows if you guys would have had any culture to celebrate.

theenchanter:
u truly have comprehension problems. Simply because ur currency is 3-4X Nigerian currency doesn't mean u earn 3-4X higher salaries.

Ur docs earn ksh200,000 and Nigerian docs earn #250,000. Ur docs may spend ksh150,000 on utilities and necessities every month and Nigerian docs may spend #175,000 monthly on exact expenditure, so where's d higher salaries here?

Kikuyu1. We have explained these things over and over again to Kenyans but they don't just get.
Yes Nigerian workers now seem to earn less simply because the value of our currency fell few years ago. The govt is about to increase the national salary levels to correspond with the shift of currency value.

Aside that, life in Nigeria is far far comparatively cheaper to life in Kenya. Kenyan taxation is also higher.

According to wikipedia. Nigeria's GDP per capital (PPP) divided by her GDP per capital (nominal) is approximately 2.53
WHILE Kenya's GDP per capital (PPP) divided by her GDP per capital (nominal) is approximately 2.03

This simply tells you that the cost of living in Nigeria is cheaper. Naira has more value in Nigeria than Shillings in Kenya. mtis, TayserMahiri

mtis:
Swahili makes history as first African language recognized by Twitter

Most African languages for the past decade and over of social media platform Twitter’s existence have been referred to as Indonesian in terms of translation.

That has changed with Twitter’s official recognition of Swahili as a language. It became the first African language to achieve that accomplishment.
The network now recognizes Swahili words and offers translation of the widely spoken and written East and Southern African language.

For a language as widely spoken as Swahili, I think it's relevance and influence remains a failure.

I don't see how Swahili culture, music, dance, movies, arts or entertainment is very influential or dominating Africa.

Nigeria with her half-baked Pidgin english language is the one dominating the African continent and having a more cultural influence accross Africa. Shame!

Hati13:
I watched a doctor about Boko Haram last week on Aljezera. It was disturbing. It shows that Boko Haram isn’t solely to be blamed because Nigerian army was as bad as them from early on around that area.

Nowenuse,

What do you think about Boko and Nigerian army?

Yes you are right. Apparently there seems to be some infiltration into the Nigerian army. There are saboteurs and Boko haram informants in the army.

Boko haram may never end cos it is heavily politicized. Boko haram also get continous expensive ammunition supply from the politically unstable Libya and porous borders with Niger republic.