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^^^ And Madam

Who was His intended audience for record purposes of that incidence? Was it not mankind? What language or understanding then ought be used in dealing with us? What we do not understand?

No apologies here, ma'am. Plus we're supposed to take example from our kind not a different "species". Does your dog take example from you and use a fork and knife?

God says "I am that I am" not this story you're typing.

Call it falsehood or truth or OOI, if its God, its God's Will and not subject to you ranting about "human" definitions.

@DeepSight:

A free english lesson for you - Truth and/or lies are both a subset of knowledge. Absolute truth by definition includes all knowledge. Therefore, what you call "lies" are a part of knowledge!

God is "that He is"!

noetic16:
emotional wreck is not an excuse for ignorance.
If your mother truly served God like u claimed . . . . . .then u should be confident that she is in glory with the Lord.

@Noetic:

easy bro! I lost both of mine just a tad older than OP says his mum was AND IT WAS DEVASTATING. We can't all be strong always

@OP:

Most times, it takes awhile to understand things like this but I believe you might find out in 10 or so years that this was not the horror you see it as now. My mum was scheduled to go in for her first dialysis and the Surgeon told me we'd need two treatments a week at 15K/treatment probably for a long while (with no certainty of recovery) when she passed. Look at Yaradua, and see that money and life are not everything - the derision he's faced just on this site even in the poor health he's in is maybe worse than death itself. Tell him a life dog is better than a dead lion and he'll probably growl at you!

Try look inside yourself and you will find reason when you search enough to know that even in this, God is worthy of thanks.

^^^ Over and over, reading Joagbaje, I get this impression of someone trying (desperately atimes) to justify something he's not 100% certain is right but which he got caught up in. Maybe 99% that became 95% and is being considered right now for a 75% mark. That would decidedly make him a "true" christian as we all need to re-examine ourselves, lifestyle and belief system else we be found "out in the cold".

His admission above makes me think myself right about him and I hope he will do as you have said.

I think the fault is with us who keep saying "God is good".

A judge is not good, or bad, if he follows the law to lay down a sentence! God has His laws which creation is subject to. A study will show that in talking to/about those who follow Him, He also calls Himself a "father". With established enemies, He is an "Avenger" etc etc. But asked directly to "define" Himself, He went "I AM THAT I AM"; NOT "good", "powerful" "wonderful" or whatever.

These words qualify but we're discussing the unqualifiable here. They define but God cannot be "defined". And so we shoot ourselves in the foot when we try to excuse God.

Mazaje has the right to say "God lied". He owns his tongue and fingers, doesn't he? And none should have quarreled over this because it was intended to mock. When he wants another's opinion, he will ask for it, then get it.

PS: @DeepMess of the VINCLEAR Gang "idea". I will write down your name as noisemaker and report you when the teacher gets back

^^ Lol at entrapment.

Joagbaje has reasonable points; only is being legalistic about this born-again "superiority" to the OT people issue. And yet we see now that Kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God are the same. And Abraham, Moses and Elijah are there NOW, whist we "born again" are still "here".

At least, Jesus thought so

^^^

Are you still in the business?

Your analysis in your article is quite fair. I agree with mainly everything you say but, your assumptions on behalf of the machine and market, are numerous. You have pegged cost of machine, output and the market.

But basically, you are right. The business becomes "truly" profitable when you run multiple machines as effectively as can be. Or when you own the market you sell to i.e. no competition!

^^^

The quote above -

QUOTE
Finally, the Spirit “coming upon” an individual doesn’t always indicate that person’s spiritual condition (e.g., Saul, Samson, and many of the Judges). So while in the New Testament the Spirit only indwells believers and that indwelling is permanent, the Spirit indwelled certain Old Testament individuals for a specific task, irrespective of their spiritual condition.
UNQUOTE

Regarding the bolded part - does indwelling today INDICATE a person's spiritual condition unlike in the OT? Or like in the OT, can a "Saul" remain with the Spirit because God's gifts are wothout repentance?

^^^ True wealth: having Christ!

@kenny888:

Apologies! The subject matter has been treated.

The commandments are based on two precepts - love for God and love for your neighbor as yourself. Another way to put this is - what if a snake had bitten your only child and the hospital needed 20K for her immediate treatment failing which her life would be lost. Yet you only had 22K (the tithe of your income) on you! Would you then ask your pastor if you should pay tithe and "watch" God perform a "wonder"?

Use the answer when considering your neighbor who you should love as yourself OR your daughter. The best your tithe can give you is "recompense" not a life! Which is more important?

You are a liar!
You don't care what people see in you - or whether God is proud of you. Does He have any reason to be anyway?
Your "pastors" reputation matters more to you than God's truth
You still are rude and argumentative
Your language is gutter-compliant if not gutter-made

Your fruit shows, On and On!

mr on and on:

you are rude, argumentative, judgmental and a liar. you used to hear it ehn? how come you attend church and Jesus Words didn't come to mind? why naughty by nature? haven't you shown what you hear MOST and what is on your mind?

keep on and on and on showing whats at work in your life?

^^^ LOL at "go on and on and on by naughty by nature".  going on doing what? Anyway, the Bible says "by their fruits you shall know them" 

@Maddock:

After being rude and abusive, you provide us with a testimony which is that you do the "naughty by nature" thingy! That is your fruit, right? What does that say about you? - You "confessed" Jesus then went right back Monday to Saturday to sleeping with Satan. Sundays, you visit church for your weekly righteous fix!

And thats the problem you WOFers have - you're into good-time christianity evidenced by noise making whist wallowing in filthy lifes. Christianity for your information, is a humble walk, a way of life, not gist accompanied by jeri curls and snazzy clothes

davidylan:
Oh yeah they do . . . its just that their "Gawd" seems to be a genie who only surfaces to provide for their greed.

And the genie is remote controlled by them speaking it into existence. He doesn't just "surface" but rather is commanded to appear to provide for stated greed.

@Debosky:

Aren't you just being legalistic here?

We say its wrong to manipulate scripture to say "Jesus was rich on earth" and use that AS A MEANS for the mindless pursuit of wealth - that position that you have now taken.

We all know the position Jesus holds/held and yes, we should be rich (if we work and deserve it) because He was porr "for us" BUT by dint of labor rather than manipulation of God's Word.

Jesus put it even better. He said "born of the water and of the Spirit" i.e. born of God whether you call Him Father, Son or Spirit!

BTW, saying (confession) that I am a cadillac doesn't make me one so "Lord Jesus, come into my heart. I accept you as Lord & saviour" means "jack" when you are the same old person and your best friend remains greed, lies and manipulation!

^^^ And knowing what a mental block is, I am not suprised at your reply

Before you go get your regular trouncing at Chess, DeepSight, get your dues here first.

Your self-imposed mental block is still in effect and its now starting to make you incoherently myopic. Let me try again - I will mention 4 "peoples".

[1] The Levite (christian) not only in dressing but ALSO in conduct, life, LOVE!
[2] The "signboard" levite who could also be called the good time levite. NL has quite a few of those and you will find Christian versus Christian often here. When you take off your googles and stop thinking about "Shade", you will understand what is defined as a signboard levite - love is missing!
[3] The "outsider" whose conscience will stand for him. Such has not heard nor understood the Gospel. But has LOVE!
[4] The "outsider" who has decided he is good enough for himself, has heard and understood the Gospel and asks it to go jump. What he thinks is LOVE is LUST!

Common denominator is LOVE with the difference being whether present or not. What you DeepSight, pointedly keep saying is that [2] and [4] are all that exist - that is WRONG! There cannot be a counterfeit without an original and so both "Levite" and "Outsider" have originals and counterfeits.

The OT rigid law was wear the clothes and perform the rituals. The NT rigid law is "speak the lingo": born-again, halleluyah etc

What God wanted in the OT was true worship not the outward appearance. What He wants now remains the same, not noise making in the name of Gospel.

1 Cor 10:4 says "And that Rock was Christ" but ROR says it was not Jesus. So who is/was Christ?

These people preach that the spiritual controls the physical, decree into the Spirit world and "demand" God fulfill their spiritual desires INTO the physical yet cannot understand and accept that the Lamb was "slain from the foundation of the World" and that this fact was "evidenced" when it became physical? Yet we, possessing milk teeth (or no teeth as joagbaje would have us believe) can understand the concept.

Anyway, its not tithes and first fruits so you can't know anything about this matter. Come to think of it, even the tithe and first fruit you preach is false anyway so why should your take on this (to you) "strange matter" have any sense in it?

Enigma:
Deal with those two statements of Jesus: did Jesus lie when He said only a born again man will see the kingdom of God and then also said people will sit with Abraham in that same kingdom.

If you say Abraham was not born again ------- then you are calling Jesus a liar.

Maybe like DeepSight, he believes Abraham will come back and then his own anointing is what will make abraham perfect. Else you are right and he's saying Jesus is a liar.

So which is it, Jo-boy, Jesus lied or Abraham will return to earth again to be made perfect?

Hey:

Jesus said NO-ONE will see the Kingdom of God without being born-again. He did not say "starting from now". He also expressly informs us that Abraham is INSIDE the Kingdom of God. Which kain story is all this. Peter tells us point blank the Word of God is not for ANY private interpretation. So which one is all this story? Why do we have to complicate something very simple. Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Jesus. Jesus SAID SO.

But you bring semantics and try to complicate the issue - point being to "introduce" the concept of "revelation knowledge" (that myopic concept that gives its practitioners the right to "intepret" God Word to mean what they want" which is anathema to God.

Whatever you say, Abraham is there (in the kingdom) and for all we know, chris may be headed in the opposite direction. After judgement day, who will seperate between OT and NT saints? You?

And stop lying, I DID NOT SAY THEY WERE DEAD AGAIN! I asked you a question! If "your father" chris is reading from over your shoulder and you fear he may reduce your portion of tithes collected because of your blunders here, remember there's someone we should fear more!

In addition to what Enigma has written, your opinion of whether or not we're born again DOESN'T COUNT. Only God's knowledge and Biblical truth counts to us. But that doesn't matter to you, does it?

Well and for your information, if we are wrong, then the Bible is wrong - for we follow that and nothing else. You on the other hand must ensure you carry the erRORs booklet to Heaven and then we'll find out which is God's Word - Our Bible or your erROR?

You Joagbaje - THINK ABOUT THAT!

Jesus said Abraham was justified, Paul said it too and one finds this information a good number of times in the NT yet chris and co say its a lie. Basically then, we come again to the issue of kingdom revelation knowledge but this time, not just Stephen knew little. Jesus Himself and Paul who wrote most of the NT don't know as much as chris oyaks-yaps and the NT is lying.



na wa O.

You read Aletheia'a post ahead, saw incontrovertible evidence to the contrary direct (including straight quotes naming the mentioned saints) from "THE WORD OF GOD" and yet you have the nerve before the world to write Moses was "dead again"?

Like InesQor wrote, your reference is a "Book of erRORs" for it is that book and its author that denies the Word of the Almighty and are dead again. Yes, chris, yourself and your book of erRORs are totally and likely without recall "dead again". Not because I say so, but because you deny and change the Word of God for your purposes. This topic is such a simple one and one would expect a 6 month old Christian to be able to intelligently discuss it.

Davidylan has been proved prophetic when he said "you (+ ROR) and Christianity are mutually exclusive".

So many words.

@Debosky:

Was Jesus rich?

Yes Enigma, that IS the point and e get as e be!

^^^ 2nd time tonite, Enigma, that I wonder what ROR would say of you. John 10:16? Better hope Joagbaje doesn't see that one for probably "the other sheep not of this fold" are (according to ROR) probably demons who re-confess the Lordship of Jesus and thus are then free to sin endlessly seeing as the confession has made them "unable to sin" since they are born-again.

Seriously though, I wonder if it is not that "brand" of christianity that the DeepSights of our time stare fixatedly on and thus miss the true message and carriers of the Gospel. This especially so as real people do not wear the tag - they just live the life unlike the "professing guys" who turn it into an ecstatic art-form and are thus seemingly the "face" of Christ.

^^^ Now THAT IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!. Would love to see what ROR says to that

@DeepSight:

Another way of saying the above - The clothes he was wearing were Levite. He was not!  On the other hand, the samaritan clothes were samaritan but his conduct was levitical.

If he were "truly" Levite (christian not a signboard), he'd have done what the samaritan did. And thats what we've been saying from eternity. But the situation is not one you decide/judge yourself

Capishe? BTW, I still think you understand but are trying to self justify to stay in your current mindset and not feel uncomfortable!

@David:

The guy astounds me.

nuclearboy:
The problem I have with you, DeepSight, is that you never listen (read that as considering what we're saying).

Christ is more than a Person - He's a way of life, a race, a "striving to be". What InesQor says (and its true) is that accepting Christ is accepting that way of life or race etc. This is the right way, the only way. Once you are on that path, your destination is "assured". BUT ONLY God knows if I am just a signboard pointing to the way rather than going there! Same with InesQor or any other Christian! I could be pretending, couldn't I and have missed it totally YET seem to be on the right track to you/others?

Where you are not a Christian (read that in the context above), ONLY GOD knows your heart/life/sincerity etc!

Basically then, whether one is Christian (the race runner O) or not is God's decision. If true, you're on the path. If not, ONLY God knows where you're going to. And where you're not, ONLY GOD knows your heart and that is what He will use to decide your fate

^^ And did you read this? Very recently I said you don't listen and here we are again. Acceptance is not word of mouth but way of life etc.

But the definition does not come from us, but God! In the case above, it came from GOD, not me!

Abraham, Moses and Elijah "TURNED" to God and became different from those of their days! It is in this context that they became born again. We believe in the message, Lordship and ways of Jesus. They believed in the message (in fact they WERE the message), Lordship and ways of God.

Jesus = God! Whats the difference then if for illustration's sake, someone claims they were born again? Plus we read of the transfiguration - how Moses and Elijah joined Jesus in Glory before the Apostles! Would you say the glorified are lower than the ordinary or vice-versa? Peter and others stood ordinary before transfigured Moses yet you would have us say the transfigured were lower? So what of Jesus who was in like form with Moses? Was He also lower than the apostles (who you would call mates)?

Then please compare yourself to these Apostles before us all. But then why do I ask seeing as we know you guys have greater revelation knowledge and know that its ignorance that got Stephen killed - which would mean you consider yourself greater.

Then tell us - born again or not, what would you call Moses and Elijah? Dead-Again?