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aletheia:
@Tudor
Where 've you been? Welcome

Bro, you beat me to it. W E L C O M E Tudor!

There is a problem here. There is such a thing as voluntary bondage and that is the issue here. If people read, think and act for themselves rather than following others based on hope, the problem we're discussing wouldn't exist. These people believe a prayer by another is the "magic" required in their lives and so keep waiting for the day his anointing is "directed to them". They create the monster themselves.

God has no blame in this as His word point-blank already lets us know "people die for lack of knowledge" and "seek ye out the book of the Lord, read and understand", "for therein is life". I believe part of His integrity is in allowing us make choices which WE PAY FOR. You for example; are you a victim of such MOGs as we call them? Why? BECAUSE you freed yourself. Did God come down to free you? Rather Sir, you used your reason which is the same all have. But just as you used yours, they also reserve the right not to use theirs and the fault cannot be attributed to God!

A lazy unbelieving man wants a miracle for breakfast. A serious person IS A miracle and produces results knowing God is already in support of right which is built by hard-work rather than "magical occurences". All what we are doing here is trying to prick that thing in the minds of people which could set them off on the path to using what you have used.

aletheia:
P.S. Is there a thread addressing the question of whether true apostles exist today or not?

Please start off a thread to discuss that. BTW, I'd like to see your personal definition of what an apostle is with ideas of background, family life etc. I think it'd be nice to discuss God, Jesus, the HS, Biblical concepts of Christianity and social life rather than what the latest craze is amongst MOGs and who's building another monument to Baal and calling Baal God.

BTW, if I am on the side of God, I have no fear of WOFers showing up. I don't know how one can stand against God's Word drawing on the power of a rhapsody or daily guide

^^^ My esteemed Bro,

Been awhile I read anything from you and as always, you bring reason.

However, if you read my original post again, I did admit that YOUR argument could be mooted THAT Jesus and Peter stopped their "worldly" vocations at the crux of ministry. I honestly in my understanding attribute this to the "desperation" involved in those ministries - Jesus KNEW He had just three years and the Apostles lived each day as though it was their last. Looking at the society in which they lived and with benefit of hindsight, I believe they were right to assume each sunrise likely to be their last.

Please compare to the 20th century ministers who started in the 40s and passed on the empires to their children in the 90s. Todays "apostles" plan and build universities - how long does the approval process take before construction starts, recruitment etc. Where do you find Paul buying land to build a home for himself talkless a university and the plan to leave it all to "Junior". where's the desperation today aside of in the desire to drive the latest car (that being "proof" the Lord is good), travel at will and get oodles of cash for being a guest minister. We even hear some are paid 7 figure sums BEFORE they minister or else, they stand you up.

My intention for this thread seems misunderstood as everyone aside David and InesQor kinda "initially" believe this is personality bashing. ITS NOT. I'm just worried at the trend and wondering how these people get so many acolytes. Imagine the thread where someone said Pastor Chris had revelation knowledge that was not available to the Apostles and that Stephen died due to such arrant blah blah poo. Don't people read the Bible any longer? Please lets remember that the wolves in sheep's clothing amogst God's flocks are amongst us. If ministers are not to be assessed, then indeed we are saying God didn't know what He was saying when He warned us of such. Abi e never reach time wey wolves go come? Is that it?

Fhemmy/Image123:

I am a christian and I know a pastor who used to be a bank branch manager in Ibadan. Suddenly he said He felt led to go to a "provincial area" where NEPA hadn't even got to and minister as a pastor there. Apparently they were very ritualistic etc. Guy left his official and personal cars, his bodija duplex and went into the bush with his family. THAT IS A FATHER in the context you speak of. Its 8 years and now he's doing fine. When I heard about him, I decided my resources would be available to him and till date, they are. His family lacks nothing because more people have come to know of his ways and i have seen him recieve a half million at a time. Funnily, I recently heard he got a vehicle from an admirer but sold it and gave the proceeds towards building a school laboratory for the people he lives with. The guy who gave him the car then bought another immediately which we together compelled him to keep. Would you by any chance imagine I am speaking of this type of pastor above?

Jesoul:

I get your point and it is very well made. However, the injunction remains that whist everything is lawful, not all is expedient. Such is how I understand Paul in his words above - and my first point is it was lawful to him but he realised it was not expedient and fled from the semblance of evil.

Secondly, do you really need 3 SUVs, a private jet, bi-annual family holidays in the bahamas, etc in the midst of the deprivation that is Nigeria's lot? You Jesoul, may have been away for too long - those of us here see the poverty in the populace and the anger in the youths. I was born in the North and they are angry: they have nothing to live for (as far as they are concerned and the proof of that is in how much they value life) plus we know that majority of our youth can perform only menial labor. They are so poor that they cannot afford to learn a trade like carpentry or masonry. I challenge anyone to show me where such exist as the standard today. These people can be helped to learn a trade or be schooled rather than being idle and thus providing a workshop for satan. You drive past and feel the malevolence.

I sincerely cannot understand how comfortable people can live in the midst of so much resentment which could so easily be helped by a fraction of what goes into cars for our "big-men". I left the north and swore never to go back because I was always scared.

Maybe I over-react when I post like this but try to look past the facade and ask; do we really need this level of luxury? To build schools too expensive for our congregation and then we do not even send our own children there but to foreign schools?   Look at the example I gave above of a pastor and compare to what obtains.

I fear for our future because the gutter is coming into the streets. Please read an article I saw way back http://aderinola./2007/06/30/is-lagos-the-most-dangerous-city-in-the-world/ with particular note to the first two responses to the article then give a moral justification  for this rot in the house of God

If none of these, as you call them, above mentioned persons, had a full time secular job, why does the Bible inform us of their vocations outside of religiousity? And the Bible I read must be different from yours - Paul the Apostle did not minister as pastor? I thought a pastor was a shepherd - do you know how many children/churches/acolytes paul had?

I do not have any intention to ridicule todays pastors but are they above reproach? And do they have a scriptural justification to continue as is?

BTW, when the Bible talks of wolves in sheep clothing, leading God's children astray et al, please who are these? Are they not amongst us?

@Fhemmy:

Paul worked all through his life. Stop reading rhapsody and pick up your Bible. All these daily "milk" booklets are turning you people to idolatry. The Word of God is not for any private interpretation and when your "daddies" and "mummies" design a book, they are of neccessity "interpreting God's Word" as they deem fit.

@InesQor:

Pastor? Pastor ke? Nobody calls themselves Pastor nowadays. Thats an insult and is reserved for "smallies" who do not have Jeeps and congregations greater than 5, 000 strong. Titles of note today are "Apostle Syphilis Agbado", "Prophet Snake in the Monkey shadow", "Bishop Tithes Are Mine" etc.

We watch "the secret Millionaire" and see supposed Atheist millionaires go out and give literally tens of millions to people they do not know just to make a difference in their lives. That IMO, is ministering to people with money. You can do same with words of comfort, providing jobs, educating the poor etc. You show love when you give of yourself knowing they can NEVER repay (if they even ever meet you again).

No-one is saying pastors here do not support charity but they do so with other people's money and resources. So what are they giving of themselves seeing as they receive re-compense for all they do. Infact, its like they do 5 and get 5000 in return from poor people. When the congregation gave of their property (ananias and sapphira), the Bible does not tell us Peter bought lovely White horses and shining armor for himself and the other apostles, does it? Why not? Because they had a heart for God.

I wish one of the "full time pastors" would come out here and explain their own point of view to us.

@David:

[1] Any succint Biblical support for this point of view? BTW, you're preaching to the choir but it'd be nice if viewers have biblical references to show the truth.

[2] Any suggestions on how to educate Christians on the truth?

InesQor:

where are you?

72 Virgins does seem like a good deal sha especially if ogogoro mixed with Schweppes is available.

How come the Lord Jesus, Peter (the Rock) and Paul had jobs yet pastors today and their acolytes say they are too busy doing God's work to have time for "honest" work? Are they better than the Lord Jesus or more anointed than Peter and Paul?

Some will say there is no record of Jesus working during his 3 year ministry or Peter working after Jesus called Him. However, Paul seems  today the father of modern Christianity yet boasted that he lived off his labor and did not depend on anyone. Why then cannot our pastors today find honest labor and use their substance from such duty for God's work like Paul did?

Will start off a thread on the founders of Christianity versus its so-called proponents now

I support this call for intra-christian debates. Tithes have been over flogged but I'm sure there are other stuff we can educate ourselves on. I personally keep coming across acolytes who say pastors are too busy to have time to do other work - how come Jesus, Peter and definitely Paul had other "worldly" work yet are the bencchmark for us today.

Can someone start off threads based on such or like "ideas"?

Your delusions amuse me. Who is slow to handle you? What does that even mean, by the way, seeing as that is terrible english not befitting of a high school graduate. Strong battle? when you can't even compose a sentence in good english?

Come O, go and meet your master satan and ask him how Jesus beat the living spunk out of him and of his assurance that fire wil be his eventual end. Then you will know how I will do same to you. Abi you think this is Abuzola or one of those imbeciles you play with and make empty boasts to? You willl not last the time water used to wash hands lasts.

Your claim to fame is planning to help a nice person destroy another human's life and you think you make sense? Did your idiotic slave to Jesus master ever create a person that you think you can destroy one?

Better go to the toilet! You need to get rid of the poo that you are full of

You're a very plain person, that's obvious. But continuing with my line of argument, would you also want to offend someone who then makes you blind. After destroying you thus, he also asks for forgiveness. Remember - give and it shal be given to you, full measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over - for with what measure you mete out shall it be meted out to you.

So if you get full measure from such a person then, would it be ok?

You're a young woman and I'm sure lovely. What one man saw as a chance to misbehave, you will find another to cherish and worship. Just peace, be still and leave it to time and chance which always does the right

@toneyb:

look at the thread on placing a curse and beware lest I do same to you. How dare you leave? And just today at 1166 posts, I was wondering how far you'd last.

@Field-Marshall Cannibal Viaro:

You need deliverance O

@Cyberfreak,

I am not condemning you. The way I think is quite simple - have you ever offended someone in your life? What if that person had the power to make you infertile or to turn you into a cripple and then used that power? Would you say what they did was right simply because yes, you offended them? When you were young - did you ever misbehave at home? What if your father had refused to forgive you, grabbed you and thrown you into a well or poured petrol over you and set you ablaze? How would you feel?

Thats what I wanted you to ask yourself. The person I rebuked is the one who is glorying in wanting to help you destroy a life that none of you created. My pointing fingers allegory is simple - place your curse but the next time you do ANYTHING worng against ANYone and they are angry at you, remember you have decided someone else's future and at that time, you hand power over your life to whoever is angry at you (even if it was a mistake you made). Should we pray that whatever comes to the persons mind about you should also then come to pass? Thats why you should beware of such as satan's slave

^^^ Thank you, Tpiah

Mr devil/satan lover:

doesn't satan teach you english abi its just being a nuisance that you learn at his idiotic feet?

better go back to junior secondary school and learn from teachers not a loser like your master

^^^

Why are all the interesting people leaving? Can you imagine Noah's junior brother Olabowale has disappeared? AbuMighty who needed a bomb between his legs to sport a package there has also vaporized The insanely civil DeepSight has been cannibalized by Viaro and now you too want to leave?

You guys want this place to become a haunt populated by mosquitoes, roaches and their second cousins, the WOF gods? And the people who gave pope john paul the occultic powers he uses or TB Joshua's babalawos? Chei, this forum will soon be renamed Christ embassy

Na wa O.

@InesQor:

You serious? ? DeepSight showed up around here? I owe him 4 big stout be dat! Sadly that is not what he really likes ([size=4pt]i understand he prefers to be in bed till like 6pm daily: what he does there, I do not know but I hear he usually has company[/size]).

Please whats the link to the thread he posted on?

Point a finger at someone and you will find its usually the index that points out. But the Thumb points up and the other three point at you. Transpose this into your curse and consider that a fifth goes to your object of scorn, a second fifth to God (or say the entire world) and the remaining 3/5 to yourself.

^^^ General Viaro:

Your boy is alright. I just keep having these repeated nightmares that one day, I went against you and ended up on a spit being slowly turned atop a fire. That was when it struck me that you must be a cannibal.

BTW, where are DeepSight's bones. Twould be nice to grind them and soak in Gari. Maybe I'll gradually imbibe that almost inhuman civility the guy possessed before he climbed on your spit.

I see. I get your point yet cannot but smile remembering when you said we (religionists) like to play the victim.

It might have been funny (knowing Jagunlabi, it probably would have ended up being so) at our expense but had the shoe been on the other foot, I wonder if you'd have felt the same.

Enjoy easter Bro. Meanwhile, not believing in anything, what do you do at xmas, easter etc? We all know these things have "funny" origins but try to have some fun. What do you do - look for a xtian or two, string them up and burn at a stake or what?  

DeepSight went at 2225. Toneyb is now at 1166  

I wonder how many posts he'll get to before he learns that "multi-tasking Viaro" is actually a particularly hungry cannibal who lives on the flesh of "unbelievers" who dare oppose him.

Chei, I wonder what raw toneyb will taste like

@Toneyb:

I understand, bro and I believe you also get my point. The fact these things have not been found doesn't mean they never existed which was your unapologetic "judgement". Thats why I spoke of those scrolls - imagine someone saying they existed 48 hours before they were found - he'd have been ridiculed plus even the discovery would have become another issue for debate, being supposedly timely for his purposes. We don't know all things and I am really glad to have met people like you (of recent you are changing), MyJoe and the "superb" ganja-man Krayola especially who show us a fairness often that one cannot but admire. You "knowing this" suprised me.

Your intellect is such (in my estimation) that it just seemed so low of you to judge that way knowing what I believe you do.

toneyb:
The artifacts are missing because they never existed. The problem is that most Christians hope for the rediscovery of these objects so those of us without faith will finally see the truth Christians even go to extra lengths just to show that their religious beliefs are not based on blind faith alone. The trouble is that when these objects are uncovered, they turn out to be frauds or misleads (Noah's ark in Anatolia, The Shroud of Turin, The tomb of Jesus, The wheels of Pharaohs soldiers that were drowned at sea etc). So many long for these objects to be found to re-enforce their own faith. Is that not why a lot of Christians go to Israel for pilgrimage? To see and re-enforce that beliefs?

So they never existed, ehn? Just like the dead sea scrolls never existed, huh? When will you allow that sciences reality today is tomorrow's fallacy. At least, nothing like the dead sea scrolls NEVER EXISTED till they were found. And if the believers seek re-assurance for their belief, are you not so desperately doing same for your religion by coming into the Religion forum to preach your religion? Do your own, bro, and leave us deluded folks to our devices, except if you have proof they do not exist and will NEVER be discovered

What type alternator (e.g. STAMFORD) and alternator KVA do you have? How many phase(s) i.e. 1 OR 3? Is it soundproof or basic? Do you have a time meter that can inform just how many hours its been used for?

Sorry if I sound too troublesome but this info will help a serious buyer make a quick decision.

^^^ I understand your desire and sincerely, I did ask him at the time to take me to the "baba" who he said was somewhere in badagry. Its a very detailed long story and was really interesting.

The one I'd like to see proved or disproved is this special room cruise. Maybe one day, a chance will come for such

I once had a run-in with the guy and was really miffed at him then. However, looking at those who claim to be on my side and re-considering his posts and the truth i usually find therein, I can't help buy think we ought to be on the same side. The nuisances who turned God's work into business are responsible for many honest sincere (though angry) people turning away from God.

IMO, MOST of the time, he makes sense and I'll say that anyday though I once felt like sticking a box of bangers in his nostrils and lighting up

@MyJoe:

Olabowale reincarnated?

Nah, it must be his great-grand-child that re-incarnated! The original guy is so dated I'm not sure whether it was he or reptiles (the life form) that manifested first. Angels would have to consult their elders to remember who he used to be when applicable.

BTW, I get your point but Abuzola was the greatest of the greats of NL!

@Christians:

The OP here should be commended for his post and us coming here formenting trouble is not right when this thread is about wanting peace.

Abraham was Ishmael's father whatever we think of Ishmael

My 2 cents O

Eccl 8:4 (KJV)

Where the Word of a King is, there is power, and who can say unto Him, "what doest thou?

Davidylan has his work cut out to win "poster of the year 2010"  

My only problem is Abuzola wasn't answer to any question   There should have been a poser for "most offensive yet asinine poster".  

@Benodic,

I'm really curious

1. Do you possess any of these skills
2. Did someone demonstrate such to you and then lose them
3. How would you have seen such demonstrated if display would cause loss and failing that you saw a demo, what makes you believe in such?