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Christianity EtcRe: Is This How We Plan To Root Out Religious Fundamentalism? Which Is Worse? by nuclearboy(m): 11:24pm On Feb 15, 2010
That, Ohsisi, is the tragedy that Nigeria has become. Kill a robber during an operation or a jihadist whist he's trying to blow you up with himself but do not capture them, interview them then summarily execute them.

But then, Naija pass understanding. Pray for the peace of our own Jerusalem
Christianity EtcRe: Tb Joshua Is A Country by nuclearboy(m): 11:14pm On Feb 15, 2010
Abu Zola:
[size=14pt]anobi mohamad - oloshi ni e.[/size]

@nice- joshua live near my home here in ikotun, what do u know. He is a liar, did u watch bisola's confession ?
no need to re-iterate. We already know grin
Christianity EtcRe: Is This How We Plan To Root Out Religious Fundamentalism? Which Is Worse? by nuclearboy(m): 11:06pm On Feb 15, 2010
Not a judge but I think both of you have a point AND reason for your opinions. I think David is fed up of the history and wants these people to have an idea what they like to give others. If the killers on that recording were civilian christians, I'd understand it was vengeance though not totally support it. But these are civil servants attacking the finger that feeds them.

I think Maven looks at the horror of shooting a defenseless person without any emotion IN PUBLIC and is horrified. But maybe David is just tired of these things repeated over and over. If you were there (onsite), you'd probably want to pull the trigger yourself.

I may be right or wrong but please guys, don't personalise this. Funny that both believe themselves joint-heirs - how would you relate in heaven?
Christianity EtcRe: Tb Joshua Is A Country by nuclearboy(m): 10:49pm On Feb 15, 2010
I wonder why everyone bothers to reply Abuzola the Jihadist. Viaro has shown severally that even the Quran calls Abuzola "Ignorant, full of hypocrisy and lacking in good sense" while sayig Christians are good mannered, not arrogant people who have dedicated themselves to learning. Also, the prime Hadiths and the Quran assure Abuzola of lasting hellfire. According to Allah, even angels will not not be able to recognise Abuzola by the time he finishes burning. Why then do you bother replying him? what we ought to do is donate plenty of burukutu (inside a prayer kettle) so he can drink away his sorrows planning for hellfire. Thats what they do since they have no work aside begging. Asiri a bo, babiyala!  grin

@Abuz:

The "inferior" God you called is the God that will send both you and Mahmoud into Hellfire on judgment day. BTW, don't they teach you english in arabic schools? Or its just "hey, hit your head against the ground 20 more times that you do"? I ask because I wonder what the meaning of "carpental" is. Thats how you said you were "cracking joking".

Ol'boy, stop thinking in arabic and join the human race
Christianity EtcRe: Tb Joshua Is A Country by nuclearboy(m): 11:39pm On Feb 14, 2010
@Abuzagazaga la la la:

Call Joshua anything you want but answer this:- if he is a fraud by not healing (as you say) but pretending, what does that make Mohammed since he too did not heal anyone?

Joshua keeps giving people money, rice, scholarships, etc. History tells us Mohammed gave women widowhood, cut off men's heads and took other people's money. He also gave us maitasine and boko haram.

Joshua started off illiterate but he developed himself and even if not a university graduate today, at least makes himself known easily through passable english. Mohammed on the other hand glorified in being illiterate and handling swords.

By the way, did you learn how to lie from Islam that you say you voted when you were underaged? Oh, I forgot "Al-Taqqiyah" - the islamic science of lying to "develop" or "advance" islam

Leave Joshua alone. He is a burning piece of paper. Address Islam - that is a cross country bush inferno
Christianity EtcRe: Mavenbox(m) Declares: I'm Actually Male, Not Female. by nuclearboy(m): 11:25pm On Feb 14, 2010
So DeepSight, whats your real name and occupation. I need to know.

Maven, you've said your piece. Some will accept it as right and honorable whist others will not. But you put yourself in harm's way so you should expect some level of castigation. Leave (accept) it knowing that whether or not you're reviled for it, you've done what you felt was right if that was your desire. BTW, you do know that being in the line of fire can have its own reward, right?
Christianity EtcRe: Is This How We Plan To Root Out Religious Fundamentalism? Which Is Worse? by nuclearboy(m): 11:28pm On Feb 13, 2010
I think the tragedy in this is that the security forces no longer even bother to consider the effect of such a recorded display on the pysche of the people and nation. I have had the misfortune to be present when some robbers (caught during a gunfight with the police) were executed. First they were shot for sport (in knees, ankles, shoulders etc), left for a couple of hours groaning and screaming in pain then gathered together and automatic fire sent them across the divide. I was visiting the head of SARS (a university coursemate) and when he said coldly "waste them", I knew what it meant but didn't expect something so cold and merciless.

Jos, Boko Haram etc, are a tragedy but this video and others like it just worsens issues. Next time, the rioters would know what to expect if caught and would also, show no mercy or sense of restraint. It is the same that makes robbers go after policemen and kill them simply because they expect the same mercilessness.

@Chris: Christian or not, they are policemen and sworn to defend the people they murdered like so many maggots and whatever the circumstances, this was wrong on too many levels. Were they civilians, I'd say it was for vengeance. Training shows and these were definitely police.

@Holy Japhet of infinity:

like Abuzola would say, "wara guana mana"?
Christianity EtcRe: When Is The Right Time To Leave A Church For Another? by nuclearboy(m): 11:55pm On Feb 06, 2010
And what if your church is in Lagos and you're posted to Kogi state?
Christianity EtcRe: Nairaland Is Full Of: Why?. Never Mind: by nuclearboy(m): 11:52pm On Feb 06, 2010
@Abuzola:

This one that youre yapping Mazaje ehn? If He find sthis thread and lands on you, even your angel fatai or is it jibril will run away and hide in shame.

Just keep yabbing him till he lands on you, you hear.
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 1:14am On Feb 03, 2010
SENSE: Yes or No?

NONSENSE: Yes AND No

tongue

TEACHER: Say after me "1 - 2 -  3 - [size=4pt], [/size]"

IDIOT (AKA Leaking head): "I WON'T SAY 1  - 2  -  3 -[size=4pt] , "[/size]

grin
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 8:53pm On Feb 02, 2010
Haba Mallam/Hajiya/Iska,

Less and less words? And only one post/reply? cheesy

Wetin shele? Don't tell me your brain has slowed down even further. How will you co-ordinate eating? grin Anyway, I will wait some more for it to engage and address part 2 of your response. Hopefully, sometime in the next 24 hours, the second part of your vacuous taradiddle will manifest. I'll be waiting.

free advise: Breathe deeper each time. More oxygen will get up there and its obvious you need pure oxygen to maintain double digit IQ tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 8:01pm On Feb 02, 2010
@Tudor:

tongue

@Krayola:

When you first came into this thread, you made a statement about how you feel and ended it with "IMO". I believe you added that because you are intelligent and reasonable. There was no judgmental self-righteous postulation buttressed with mockery and the arrogance that condemns others. Its your opinion, thats fine. It didn't judge me or mine and even if it did, it was presented maturely.

@Pastor AIO:

I felt exactly the same way. And I held on to my convictions and did what I felt was MY WAY. Which is why I stated that years later, when my habit got me in trouble, I wished I had not held on to them. And what you have said is also fair because you state it as an opinion and how YOU feel.


Now, someone should please tell me what the self-righteousness this thing is exhibiting is about and why IT thinks insult and mockery are the way to go. This isn't about a beating or abuse. Its about the deliberate insult from a childish churlish animal who thinks IT has a right to insult and when it finds itself unable to sustain that, turns to contentious postulations of helping the world's children.

Interpretations differ but I personally see life as a continous struggle or if you like, warfare. Struggle through traffic to get to work, war to earn enough for what you want, fighting/undergoing stress to win the woman of your choice etc. If then life is warfare on a miniscule scale, lets look to the military who own the art of war - How are soldiers trained by the USA which this gumboil worships in the pretence of "modernity"?

They go through hell; navy trainees are held under water for upwards of 90 seconds, parachute trainees jump over and over out of planes under controlled conditions (because of when it won't be controlled), soldiers struggle through multiple "obstacle courses" . When they fail, they go through not only a repeat but also punishment which is meant to be a pointer to what you will face if you made that failure on the battlefield. Would you then say its because the US military hates and wants to kill its trainees or because thats how you help people (and strengthen them) to keep their lives when the enemy is shooting live rounds?

I say thats what training, discipline and the pain of upbringing is all about - protecting you, teaching you values and helping you find the inner strength that makes you a man, not a snivelling nose-picking immature idiot who believes adulthood is about displaying a mannerless irritating belligerence all over NL. Those who brought up "bingo" left it to its own devices and DeepSight has succintly shown what we think of what you turned out as.

I personally do not subscribe to corporeal punishment for children but believe they ought not be cuddled till they become another copy of our pal. I train my children using a "reward for good" and "denial for punishment" based system. But I know my father did the best he understood and sincerely believed was right for me and I turned out prosperous, truly educated, mature and balanced though I rebelled "big time" then.

I like to say "You have a right to build for yourself a throne of bayonets. Whether you will be able to sit on it is another matter" and I sincerely mean it. That is what "IT" built when it went after me.
Christianity EtcRe: Muhammad Is Mentioned By The Exact Name In The Gospel Of Barnabas by nuclearboy(m): 5:53pm On Feb 02, 2010
Don't worry, Zola. Its a sign of your super-stardom that they are copying you wink
Christianity EtcRe: Muhammad Is Mentioned By The Exact Name In The Gospel Of Barnabas by nuclearboy(m): 2:21pm On Feb 02, 2010
Chairman Abuz,

Wetin happen again? E be like Seun never know say na you gan-gan be NL O. Our number one "tourist attraction"! grin

All we need now is a physical location and a cage so we can charge for "viewing" cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 2:18pm On Feb 02, 2010
Ok, nothing more to do on NL, ehn? Trying to redeem your "tough" image, ehn? You NEVER INSULTED "ME" EHN, JUST MY PROGENY?

grin

Well, you're a SLOWPOKE in 144 languages. And IDIOT in the other world languages. And as CONTENTIOUS and IMMATURE as ever.

Tudor my NL love, I got naught more to say to you! You sound boring trying to turn this into your as always, moronic logic now we're reduced to interpreting the meaning of posts! Fake deductions from a fake nitwit.

BTW, do you suffer from brain freeze? Or why is it you always remember more to say/write later and thus make multiple posts one after the other. Brain doesn't register it all at once, abi? And its that painful to you? So when you say its painful, the truth is pretty obvious who to!. Pele, dear. Just watch that cesspool you call your mind so you don't get more spankings (we know you enjoy them and are a sucker for punishment but still, abeg). Enjoy your day

I'm out seeing as you've calmed down

cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 1:41am On Feb 02, 2010
tongue

So now the cat has and is playing with your tongue, right? I thought you felt you were the only one who had a franchise on insulting others. Well, I just showed you an application of the title of this thread.

I thought I'd find more verve in you (and get a run for my money) but you are lacking, shallow and vacuous.

Imagine a normally overtly vocal belligerent monster reduced to childlike mocking and advising moi now the chickens returned home to roost.

slowpoke. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 6:40am On Feb 01, 2010
Google "deny" if you don't know what it means. I'm not at the beck and call of an attention seeking troll like you. And yes, "justcool" "made" my year and I got another $2M for his invite. You on the other hand, need to gate-crash to be noticed and got "yabs" after your regular bed dramas -

gay, gay, diaper in tow
run, run, daddy is coming
bend, bend, time for your fix
Daddy please, this is painful grin

Asinine ignorant "God denying" brain-constrained double digit IQ bi.at.ch.

Na your fault? When people with brains associate with such as you, its not because you have brains. They only humor you cos they feel sorry for you. That sadly, is why you think you're applicable. Better go find something profitable to do with your "comfy life" (spent bent over clutching pillows for comfort with tears in your eyes and blood in your ar.se) tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Viaro And Nuclearboy Lets continue Here by nuclearboy(m): 11:50pm On Jan 31, 2010
Interesting! But really pointless.

I'll watch out for you, Justcool. You are quite mature!
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 11:32pm On Jan 31, 2010
^^^ blah blah blah.

You're the one searching for attention by impersonating Mazaje "very poorly". His posts show conviction. Yours show the need for attention and to be known. You're the one who's displaying the lack of parental care and love by "being tough" and saying "I don't care". You're the one trying to hide your insecurity by being "strong and a power that be". Why does your voice have to be heard everywhere?

All you're saying is "Please Daddy, notice me". In psychology, its a "defense mechanism" called "aggression".

tongue tongue tongue grin
Christianity EtcRe: Mavenbox's Claims - Paradise Is In Hell. by nuclearboy(m): 11:21pm On Jan 31, 2010
@DeepSight:

I understand where you are coming from sincerely! As I have said before, Maven's posts can be overtly technical and so easy to misunderstand. In the interest of true information exchange, maybe you should allow her state this all in simpler terms - I tried to do this earlier but you both ignored my post on what I believed she was saying and now it has gone way past that stage. Lets not make this personal please.

viaro:
Warhead? Hehe. .  I was only kidding with commander nuclearboy! grin
Oyibo Viaro  grin :

I craze? I dare not try such! Imagine me defending myself against 42 dictionaries.  grin And I'm sure Maven will be there on my other side helping pound me into dust. Your marriage teamwork frightens me too much!  tongue

Meanwhile, this forum (at least the religious section) starts to tire me. Maybe its because I'm not religious and only just believe. Problem is, I don't want to separate from some I've "met" here.

MavenBox:

Don't you think of leaving NL. I think this issue with DeepSight has been a good thing as it may help you water down your posts somewhat. They're easy to twist because of their technicality and maybe cos you're a lady, you don't have Viaro's flamethrower or daggers, just his heart vocabulary. And you still have refused to reply my email yet you keep winking at the oyinbo-man.  angry <icepond69@gmail.com>. Don't want to paste the one I sent from.
Christianity EtcRe: Viaro And Nuclearboy Lets continue Here by nuclearboy(m): 1:40pm On Jan 31, 2010
I need to say that I am impressed by your good-will, friendliness and style. I wish all posters on NL could have your charm and maturity smiley Sadly, few come close to you. Soon we will be blessed when my good friend, the Alien Viaro grin shows up. Seriously though, you join such as Viaro, Imhotep, Maven (who refuses to write to me outside NL), a few others and of course DeepSight (though that one has decided to turn NL into a court where winning is all that counts) in my Hall of fame. B4 we go further, let me state now that I have not really studied the Grail Message. My history is colored with more personal and selfish oriented experiences cool which would make most shudder! But if you and m-nwankwo are average examples of the Grail discipline, kudos to it (on a purely mental and not Christianity related level).

Let me start my response with your statement "in God the desire to lie or steal will never arise" - Maybe I'm crazy or I'm not what people take the regular Believer to be but here's my take - Please study 2 Chr 18:18. Here we have a tale of a King "hated" by God! He is considering a campaign on the war-field and God Himself seeks a lying spirit to convince the king to his defeat and death. I will never say God lied! That is a judgment. What I will do is repeat after God and say of Him " HE IS THAT HE IS". This fallacy of "God cannot Lie, cannot cheat, cannot become a man or part of the wind emanating from a belch, cannot be cruel or do evil, cannot do whatever He wants to do" has caused too much trouble on earth. GOD HAS A RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER HE WISHES. Look at it this way - if you kill someone, you are a murderer! If God kills someone, God is God! Do you see the difference? I see your take as limiting God to the incapability to want or desire or do some things!

Your "Spirit Germs" idea is somewhat fascinating but contains an integral (for me) problem. If your "germs" seek expression at their initiation when they are innocent/fresh/new/sinless/etc outside of the realm of God because they cannot cope with the "immense radiation" there, how come "maturity" brings them back to THAT SAME PURITY (after the corruption of life on earth). I personally cannot imagine how a man that has been exposed to women can ever EVER E V E R hope to achieve the purity of this "spirit germ" you've described. Or you believe the impure is able to go into God's presence when the pure cannot? What kinda God are we discussing? The Holy One you describe?

Because in the context you've described, maturity would basically entail "corruption" because the best of us is just that - corrupted!

With your "karmic" description, I now understand why DeepSight believed Elijah came back to die as JTB (to pay for his "sin" of murder). However, two things also come to mind - [1] JTB denied he was Elijah and [2] Elijah appeared at the transfiguration! Does re-incarnation support Elijah being JTB and still being a separate entity at the same time? Are we now to expect JTB to come back and redress that "sin" of lying by stating he truly is Elijah?

Think about my last question very carefully - say, you are the re-incarnation of JTB come back to redress that "sin". Suppose you say you are Elijah - have you solved JTB's problem? Consider that you are "justcool", not JTB, not Elijah! In effect, the import of your confession is that you, justcool are Elijah, not that JTB is Elijah! OR do you believe you speak as Elijah and JTB too? Imagine the chaos your belief systems suggests - is it comparable to the relative sanity we have on earth? I mean, I know we're crazy but stillllllllllll!

Claims as I posited in my last post, are so easy to make. The problem is dealing with the rebuttals that must surely arise.

Please deal with the above before we get into the really difficult portions
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 12:10pm On Jan 31, 2010
Very interesting response Tudor, very nice and very illuminating! Let me start by saying I was caught in school and reported when Dad visited. As to my desire to smoke - Did you ever hear the phrase "peer pressure"? Its the thingy that makes such as Jagunlabi applaud your asinine posts in the belief that you are on the same boat. If only he truly knew you, ehn?

Now, in response to your vitriolic post, I said you were rude - you replied that "Infact, not only were you physically assaulted by your parents, they even denied you the basic right of education. . .sad.". FYI, I have what I consider the bare basic in todays world - A Bachelors degree!

I said you were contentious - your reply - "*yawn* And if you were to go to the street and whip, beat, knock or slap anyone, what would you be arrested for if not assault? Why is it okay to assault children but you can't do so to adults?" Do you in your fantasy west name other people's children? or in continuance of that, assume responsibility to train them? Which comes first, Bulemic self-server?

I said you were a fool - your confirmation - "in Africa where the so-called youth are supposedly "well-disciplined" and "in-check" with brutality HOW IS OUR SOCIETY ANY BETTER? Is our society not a billion times worse? All the corruption and crime where did they come from? ". This after I wrote QUOTE: Its come across the ocean on the tide of "Fad", 'civility' etc but we still have cultural values and discipline which have kept our youth relatively within check. UNQUOTE

Self-righteous slowpoke - So you say "Such a child has over the years come to equate assault, violence and abuse by his parents to LOVE. Infact that might be the only act of 'love' shown by the parents and has become all he's come to expect. Such a child wanting more 'love' would do anything that'll get him beaten/assaulted by his parents." Here I added slowpoke because you forget you left your rear open.
in your past posts, your civilian parentage has (from your own words) assaulted you and sent you to Oyedepo's barracks for more of the same. This is what you are rebelling against. They ended turning you into the asexual thing you are now and you seem to believe we all are the same.


Overbearing and arrogant - I love my parents and teachers - today I stand out in most all I do and aside your sorry pathetic self, I doubt if you'd find many on NL who see me as a problem person but YOU! DeepSight prempted me when he expressed shock at your claim of being a model citizen. And you confirm this when you state "This should be legislated against and such animals fronting as 'parents' should be thrown in jail and the 'damaged' children thoroughly counselled and rehabilitated." How dare you speak of your parentasge and tutorage thus. The civilians who remain your hope tried to train you. Seeing your inclinations, they probably abused you (yes Daddy, please beat me) and that is why you believe all are alike.

I am a Christian, a Man, balanced and having claim to reason. Even the Muslims who I seem to contend against mostly find me reasonable and just yesterday, "JUSTCOOL" stated he invited me to a debate because I am NOT contentious! You on the other hand do not even have a belief, remain anonymous even sexwise and every thread you visit is the worse for it. Every thread that carries your name has issues even before it starts. Threads with my name are based on the desire to exchange meaningful ideas. Yet you think its MY parents that had issues? Pele grin

Better a military dad who shoots into the air to scare away a rabble of over 2 dozen people attacking him than the civi-religious fanatics who first made a pansy of you and narrowed your mind in childhood then sent you to oyedepo's school for more bullying. Your response is typically immature and coming from an unbalanced rebellious mind. You've not disappointed us. The other standard thing we see with homos like you is the acrid tongue likely sharpened from sticking it into gay ar.ses. I'd suggest you first decide what sex you are and what sexuality you subscribe to. And I repeat, in your shoes, I probably would wonder at God myself!

Finally, you are an insult to Atheism. Most I have come across are sincere people who are dedicated to learning and who don't get what we see. For you, it is a fad, an opportunity to be seen as modern. Thats why you say you DENY God. If He doesn't exist, bingo, what are you denying in your sweet and comfy life that has you hyperventilating over a farm vehicle?
Christianity EtcRe: Viaro And Nuclearboy Lets continue Here by nuclearboy(m): 9:48pm On Jan 30, 2010
@DeepSight:

What God's nature are you discussing? If it is the Biblical God, please read my comments ^^^ above. He can do anything. Did you ever hear the word "Aseyi owu" i.e. "He who does as He wishes". And consider also that the idea of raising the dead back to life is on the same level as your "physical body may dwell bodily in a spiritual realm". BTW, did you ever visit that realm to know its nature or are you again, just assuming/interpreting based on your "understanding"?
Christianity EtcRe: Viaro And Nuclearboy Lets continue Here by nuclearboy(m): 9:42pm On Jan 30, 2010
Hello Justcool:

Please allow "arkinses" what he undoubtedly sees as his moment of glory. His input here is an indication of his self-esteem.

Yes, I addressed the said quote to you. My problem here however, is that you have more or less stated that this thread and discussion is already settled in your mind - you've decided what you believe and nobody is going to change that. What then is the basis for this discourse and what are we continuing?

Your "source" remains the writings and understanding of "the grail message".

I believe in a father that I've entered into a relationship with who has stated that His inputs into my life will not stand against the Bible. That Bible does not support incarnation or that multiple physical deaths are a normal occurence. I agree that there are records of such in the Bible which were considered miraculous i.e. "not normal" by the Bible witnesses. And how many? Would you say that having 3 First class graduands from a University in its history means everyone actually gets 1st class degrees but don't just know it? But you say those miracles were actually not miracle but normal.

Let me ask you a few questions -

Before my questions though, you said "There are things God cannot do. God cannot steal, lie, or cheat. God cannot lie. I believe that even the bible said this." In my opinion, you are wrong here - God can do ANYTHING He wants to do. Please note I have not said He steals; what I say is that He can do whatever He wants and because it comes from Him, it is God's and not good or bad or theft or whatever "words" you use to describe them. Look at your statement like this - God cannot lie MEANS God is "limited" to being truthful. God cannot steal MEANS God is "limited" to honesty. Noble Attributes in YOUR estimation but limiting to God. Anyway, if He stole, who would you report Him to? "The Potter has every right over the Clay and can make it an object of scorn or a thing of beauty or destroy it etc". Thats culled from the 45th chapter of Isaiah. His own definition/description of Himself to Moses when asked who He was is very interesting "I AM THAT I AM". Think about that. But then, you don't believe ALL of the Bible, do you?

Now, life started with one man and one woman or is this not what the grail message teaches? Each of them re-incarnating would mean only two people being on earth till date and those would neccesarily come only after the first two were gone since multiple simultaneous instances of the same person is not a premise in re-incarnation. How come the human race is increasing population-wise. Would you then say Creation by the Creator is an on-going process and that the Bible lies when it says all creation stopped after man was created? So when does it stop or do we face an infinity of creation and re-incarnation? There are 6 Billion of earth now but in the last 6, 000 years, much more than 6 Billion have come and gone? What happened to the excess? If you believe re-incarnation is real, you must have some solid information on how it works so please tell me - Caligula the emperor - when did/does he come back and as what?  Using what criteria? Or a baby that died at birth? Or a Muslim in the 18th Century who was illiterate? Or an Atheist? And then my father who is late? What criteria is used to decide when he will come and as what? It would be nice we get an idea of the workings of these things from those of you who are sure of it all because sincerely, it all doesn't make sense to me and I do know claims are cheap. I need you to show some proof rather than make claims.

Enjoy your evening
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Accounts That Suggest Reincarnation. by nuclearboy(m): 4:42pm On Jan 30, 2010
Thanks for the clarification. It just seemed contradictory then. Your clarification has put my mind to rest

As an aside, whist I don't subscribe to some of your stated beliefs, I remain one of those who have a deep respect for you.

And the other sage is now here: welcome Imhotep
Christianity EtcRe: Mavenbox's Claims - Paradise Is In Hell. by nuclearboy(m): 3:53pm On Jan 30, 2010
@Abuzola;

The greatest comedians in the World are the "New York Friars". Their motto is "We only roast the ones we Love!". I poke fun of you only because I really truly sincerely like you. Would you prefer to be ignored? Your only problem is your tendency to think you can fly - and so you go too fast and make these "funny" remarks and mistakes". Chill Bro; smile and always relax. I wish I could take you out to dinner one night!

@MavenBox:

Maybe you ought to reduce the complexity of your posts somewhat - I think that could be construed as confusing people to mean what it doesn't. I hope I am right in what I posted as your meaning (as simply as I thought it could be put) above which would mean your complexity left you open for the sucker punch DeepSight delivered which ended requiring damage control. Remember, KISS and no-one will try to get under your defenses.

BTW, My honor is still waiting to know what I don't know concerning you and our alien Viaro  wink
Christianity EtcRe: Mavenbox's Claims - Paradise Is In Hell. by nuclearboy(m): 3:04pm On Jan 30, 2010
@MavenBox:

please forgive Abuzola O! He is "just cracking joking"  wink

@DeepSight;

Always, and I am sincere Sir, always, I try to take people's words at face value and look at the person behind the words. Thats why I said I respected you a lot and why Abuzola (poor misguided "ignorant donkey' according to Muhammad  grin) is one of those I love most on NL.

However, time and time again, I end up believing you cannot mean what you post and are only "practising" at our expense.When you tried to change the worldwide centuries old definition of re-incarnation and shifted the goal post, you went past my boundaries. Why do that if not just to win? Win what?

Here, I see MavenBox saying "HEY, hades is the land/place of the unseen. Paradise, in the context of abraham etc, is also in the unseen WORLD" and then you come back with (deducted that) MavenBox said "Heaven is in Hell".

Abeg nowwwwwwwwwww. Thats why I said it was beneath you because whist OOI is on "angeldust", still you come across as quite a brain.

@ILOSIWAJU:

Notice the capitalization of your name? Na fear O! And yes, Viaro is our resident Alien: from the planet of Infinity  cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Proverbs 20:30 - "Physical Beating Cleanses Away Evil. . ." by nuclearboy(m): 2:47pm On Jan 30, 2010
@Pastor AIO:

I obviously wasn't referring to child abuse parentage. Do you get the idea from my posts that I was abused? Religion-wise, my father woke up sundays and we drove around. We entered whatever church caught our fancy and I remember a white garment church where they took brooms to us cos we walked in with our shoes. My dad (army officer) pulled his service revolver in return and it was quite a sight. Army kids mix with all sorts probably more than any other category cos you move around in your formative years and catch varied "realities". But he was strict and as an example, I remember the whipping I took when he found me smoking at 11.

That didn't stop me but I wish he'd gone further till I stopped when after 19 years of smoking, I found my health severely damaged. Your western world has a huge problem (brutal understatement) because youth as it were, do whatever they please and involve themselves in all manner of things. Its come across the ocean on the tide of "Fad", 'civility' etc but we still have cultural values and discipline which have kept our youth relatively within check. That said, quite a few go too far with "discipline"

@Tudor:

Model Citizen?

Well, if your idea of a model is a [s]contentious, mocking, self-righteous, rude, over-bearing, arrogant[/s] he/she/it who believes in their right to crash any party (well, thread in the case of NL), insult at will, claim being atheist is to DENY God forgetting the rest of us speak english and know the consequence of that statement;, then my dear, you are a model citizen. But in reality, dear, all these only portray you as exactly what you claim as being attributable to others - frustrated!

In your defence, with the little information I gleaned about you from your posts, if I had your life with its attendant frustrations, I probably would deny God myself.
Christianity EtcRe: Bible Accounts That Suggest Reincarnation. by nuclearboy(m): 1:45pm On Jan 30, 2010
One person says God is impartial and thus CANNOT bring some back to life therefore it is wrong that men die once!

All this based on your own definition of impartiality, your attempt to put God into a box (where He cannot do some things you decide) and all because Jesus raised someone back to life! Could you please then discuss Elijah and Enoch? And let us know your own TRUE knowledge of what actually happened to them since they did not die according to the Bible and that would again make God 'partial"?

m_nwankwo says Jesus is the Incarnate Word of God - what does this mean? He was the Word and re-incarnated as the Son or what? I ask because I remember reading that a man cannot re-incarnate as a dog etc or is it okay if the shift is from Word to Flesh? I'm not being "funny", just confused at the moving goal post
Christianity EtcRe: Mavenbox's Claims - Paradise Is In Hell. by nuclearboy(m): 1:17pm On Jan 30, 2010
angry angry angry

Thought it was only DeepSight that was a lawyer here! Now I find such as "removed parts" from Maven and "oay" from our pidgin illiterate oyibo Viaro who thinks he's Nigerian but doesn;t know how to say OYA! grin Viaro, you are now free to resume "C" or othertype drinks. I personally have a bent towards Schnapps myself and have been known to quaff a bottle in real time in the past.

Back to business;- If truly I am "My Honor', I arrogantly ask thee, Maven, what don't I know? I want to know now. BTW, number 5 on your list can be expanded to Maven = Krayola = Viaro especially since you "communicated with them both outside NL" and did not with me though I did write you eons ago. tongue See! You are Krayola or maybe even Mazaje! In fact, the way this all is going, I only hope you are not Abuzola or, you guessed it, Voltron!

Meanwhile, this ILOSIWAJU man na wonder! BarriStout? shocked Ol'boy, may I never get in your sights cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Mavenbox's Claims - Paradise Is In Hell. by nuclearboy(m): 8:34am On Jan 30, 2010
BTW, I start to think Maven and Viaro are the same  smiley

OR twins?  wink

OR doubles partners in tennis NL  cheesy

OR [size=4pt]husband and wife[/size]  HE:-"An important person in my life is staring me off my computer" SHE:- "sheesh, I've left my own, oya leave your own too and come to mummy, NOWWWWW"  grin

NO DENIALS please as a previous post has both of you winking at each other! ( ) aside that, I catch Maven in post#61 using words such as "Golem, ninnyhammerical" which were reserved for Viaro alone. So now we need dictionaries for you both!  angry

My theory is DeepSight [re-incarnated logically i.e. from murderer to professional liar lawyer], killed you both [re-incarnated from victims to accusers] in a previous life and you're avenging now by frustrating him to death! Or could the three of you be the cast of "The Everlasting"? (did anyone read that book?)
Christianity EtcRe: Mavenbox's Claims - Paradise Is In Hell. by nuclearboy(m): 8:26am On Jan 30, 2010
What kind of "deduced" fraudulent title does this thread have? This is very definitely beneath you, DeepSight!

Those who call themselves Christians here should remember to "Be slow to speak" and that "Pride goeth before a fall". Why not read the entire thread before you jump head first? And if you ran to speak/write, and now find your knee slowing entering your mouth, be a Christian and apologise or just keep quiet. This is pride showing. All of you jumped in to defend Jehovah from Maven without realising our lawyer was simply playing mind games. And since when did Jehovah start requiring help from you anyway?

I notice something DeepSight - You seem to search for "seemingly" high profile believers on NL (or maybe its just the ones who write good english), open a thread with a flamboyant title and then throw everything including lies and misquotes in an attempt to embarrass and belittle. Once your supposed (in your mind) "opponent" shows that he/she seems to know what they're saying, you take off, re-arm then attack another.

Yet you say you've spent years searching for truth and its not all just a game. Then STOP using court-room antics IF TRULY YOU WANT TRUTH. Consider (truly) the evidence rather than trying to create it. Stick to one definition or issue before saying "Haha, I found another, oya face this!" Thats why you avoid straight forward information and prefer to deduce and intepret.

This particular thread and its title has shown you reduced to desperation - its like "I keep losing but this time will win even if I need to twist her words to suit me". Stop it! It belittles you. And I (if no-one else) had so much respect for you!

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