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upLawal:

The only blind person here is your own self-celebrating self. You come to the Christian area and say your betters are doomed when it is you that is bound irrevocably for hell (based on your own scripture) and then you say someone who posted AFTER you is the one insulting you. It that what they teach you at the mosque - that if you first slap someone and he slaps you back, it is him that started the fight? Now I say you're not crazy but acting the normal script of the violent perverted reasoning you inherited spiritually and you first call me blind, then lie (when did this become idolatry section) then say I am foolish and a hypocrite. Standard Al-queda practise (lies, violence, lunatic ranting and raving and gnashing of teeth). Why am I foolish? Because I told the truth? Does not your scripture say you will burn in hell and it is only the koko on your head that will make angels know you? E dey pain you? Na me say make you be Muslim? Just wait till the fire alights on you and you start to scream; never to stop again! Thats when you'll know who is foolish since you are ardently fighting now for that promise to come to pass and it will be nobody else's fault but yours.

Better wake from your demon-induced understanding and join the human race.

She's not crazy. Normally, if she had the opportunity, she should be-head us all but since she can't do that, she is left with nothing but throwing obtuse insults. So she's just being a good muslim by insulting since we're not there for them to be-head.

Whats funny is that she has an unfallible promise (from allah's book itself) that she's heading straight for hell where she will burn so badly even angels will not recognise her and will locate her charred remains only with the "marks of prostration" on her head. So when she says people are doomed, she's pointing to herself and like

And God's Word is "Shall the Clay say to the Potter, what makest thou or thy work, it hath no hands"! AND "Ye ask and receive not, because ye ask amiss".

NOW whether you claim the faith of 20 Christs or 50 Pauls, if ye ask amiss, YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE. God and His desires and plans are Supreme, not your faith! The gifts He gave to us all do not include controlling Him.

IMO, post #32 would to me, seem to actually support DeepSight's assertions and I do not see the invagination you imply within. My feeling is, that post ought not be found here. As Pastor stated, with #32, you create a closed system with each dependent on the other and feeding back to the other. This thread would rather be served by having such as the following


           God              , >              Harmony etal    , > possibility of NOT harmony

                                                                                   |                                                             |
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                                                                                   |                                                             |
                                                                                 Evil     <,  Emergence of NOT harmony

BECAUSE, unlike other words which you can apply definitions and the concepts expressed in #32 to, GOD has no true definition but rather is more of an understanding and in the context here, is outside of the closed system (being creator of the closed system). That post seems to have complicated the issue when it implys an endless feedback with each variable defining the other. But then, maybe its me not getting it.

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KunleOshob:
The lunacy being exhibited on this thread is so so nauseating that I really find it difficult to comment. I never had a clue that christianity had been so badly assaulted and abused.

@Kunle:

This thread is amazing.

@Lord-Joagbaje, our Christ carrying christ or is it "god of this world" (in your own words):

As someone pointed out here, Anointed = Christ = Anointed  NOT EQUAL TO Joagbaje sha! So when you are sober from the "spirit", think the following through.

Since you already have the authority over the world being "god of this world" now - why don't you just, as Atheists have asked on this forum, command healing (WITH YOUR POWER AND HAVING GOD AS A BUTLER) into Yar'adua and blessings and electricity into Nigeria. Why is it only tithes that you generate so easily? Your only other "fruit" is the extraordinary excitement you so easily create Sundays and during services in the midst of your "milk" Christians who then believe its about their "Word" but go about littering the streets with some of the most disgusting acts of immorality the rest of the week.

You and yours are why the Name of Christ is being ridiculed all over and for what? The desire to control people and money. Consider - The creative instinct uses nature and its resources. It takes from nature and adds value to it. On the other hand, rulers/influencers of men create nothing and exist entirely through the persons of others. Their "success" is found in the enslavement of others and that is what you do when you convince people that they are "god" and then they find they cannot sustain it in the reality and harshness of life since life will not bend to their words. They have to come back for another dose of excitement and "milk-meat" over and over and end up as excitable shadows, forcing themselves to believe in a farce since there is no way out aside accepting they'd been fools for eons, which is decidedly difficult. WOF are at best, just a parasite. The worst kind, living off the name of God.

Sit, create a set of tasks for yourself that a god should be able to perform, fail them as is inevitable, accept you've been delusional then go and find creative work to do.

@InesQor:

Don't worry. That was actually a compliment if you know the mental spread of those being compared to you. Viaro particularly routinely sounds like he grabbed the thoughts out of the best minds on NL (how do you always steal only the best thoughts and never the wrong ones) and only people I wouldn't say could be him atimes are myself and DeepSight. Me cos I'm not a good mind but seem to sense most of these things whist he has all the technical precise knowledge and relevant links.

Deepsight is a special case where Viaro is concerned. Seems one of them was with Light and the other was the darkness - thats how far apart they are.

I certainly expect Isaiah 45 and commands made to God. What will be forgotten will be "Can the clay say to the potter, what makest thou or thy work, it has no hands". But light cannot be hidden.

mba emeka:
religousity!, (reads nuclearboys post shakes head and walks away)

^^^so vague, I wonder if its not just about clicking reply. What did you hope to say if you did have something slipping in and out?

And when you base your Christianity on what you want and try to convince everyone that it is about your faith and it can move mountains and will move them since you can get anything you want, what do you suggest if not that God sits there anxiously watching your faith level and rushing to reply you based on your strength. Do we not hear of how God owns the World and is rich and therefore we as heirs own the earth too and must be rich since our God is rich?

Where is the will and supremacy of God in that?

Its not horrible, Sir, its just you!

And you're right - I ought to stop thinking you're practising for court-room drama here, but I just can't. You refuse me that liberty when you deliberately refuse to see whats obvious to everyone. So maybe its for work and not for fun

Meanwhile, another epiphany - I start to wonder if InesQor isn't MavenBox who is also Viaro - where is Maven on this thread? All these over brained people are making me dizzy. Sadly, stout is out of it to help me thru the mental contortions

^^^ Laughter ke, my Oga? This time I sadly find myself more scared than amused. To imagine someone saying he is a god, a "begotten" son of God and that He is not divine YET only because he's not yet crossed the rubicon? These people used to only say God was up/out there only to answer their own personal desires whether they fit in with the plan of creation or not - that from people who have no idea what tomorrow is about or what the larger implication of their immediate desires might be to them, society or God's plans.

But now, they go further and are equal to Christ Himself tacitly negating His divinity. Ol'boy !!!

Look at the comment about the woman with the blood issue. I thought the Bible said her belief in Christ made her touch and healed her. When did it become that her faith healed her. Faith in what? Healed by what? No be Christ? So are we now to believe we should just believe in our spiritual power and order God around? Now that'd be something to see - the Almighty being a Butler or "Man Friday".

I'm pretty scared. And yes, I'm cool even though one daftie follows me around NL nowadays. Him, I take the gloves off for - the slowpoke doesn't know where I'm coming from. Atimes, I wish one could use a hammer on some of the heads the drivel spouts out from so the crap inside would leak out. Sadly, more and more of them are turning out to be "claimed xtians" and when you do bring the figurative hammer, its the inkling of sense to be found in them that is lost and they're reduced to robot-like quotation of the scripture used to clean out their brains (and pockets).

Enjoy your days, Bro.

Ol'boy,



See Divine "begotten" "brothers of Christ" whose only power is found in convincing people to empty their purses in Church.

@Viaro:

Way I see this issue is where there is a Sacrifice, you find 2 parties - the sacrificing party and the one sacrificed to. Maybe its in this respect that these "holy gods" are divine, ergo, - receiving the sacrifices of their gullible acolytes. In return, they offer fear!

@Aletheia:

QUOTE
Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth (such as fyneguy, joagbaje, mba emeka et al), even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. (Jer 10:11, KJV)

For though there be that are called gods (such as fyneguy), whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Co 8:5-6, KJV)
UNQUOTE

Precise and applicable!

InesQor:
@nuclearboy: marijuana and deep stout? You are so funny!

Quite a combination, ehn? How it goes is, you start off with a sharp head and education, throw in those two ^^^, add as much fornicating as can be imagined, finish off with the words "oneness of infinity" and out of the darkness comes, you got it, DeepSight!

Mark my words, your rebuttal is coming and we'll be back where your circle began

Great thread, very interesting and some absolutely brilliant stuff.

Now, I anxiously am waiting for devilsadvocate's DeepSight's attempt at a rebuttal. Guy MUST "come" back even when he knows he ought not and has no leg to stand on. Its simply an obsession.

I wonder if smoking serious marijuana being a lawyer can actually make you believe you can fly (when you have no leg to stand on and need to float to hang on)

@deepstout:

Respects, Sir! I'm on your side. I only wish you'd come to the right side in these discussions

You get it, DeepSight, we know you do.

Deep Sight:
^^^ Please affirm to me if the following is correct or wrong -

----> Light is something

----> Darkness is nothing

This will assist me in understanding you and the OP.

wrong! both exist. However, one is a product of the creation (or presence) of the other. Both are preceded by something else and THUS, are not eternal andself sustaining

DeepSight:

What he has said is that darkness CANNOT be total. Its definition is an absence of light but the definition only suggests the "concept" of darkness without it truly being possible. In effect, light can be absolute but darkness is not total. Another way is that knowledge is possible but total ignorance/stupidity isn't. Instinct makes the totality of ignorance/stupidity impossible.

Go through his statement below again

QUOTE
Light => Principles of Light => Principles of Darkness => Darkness (NOT COMPLETE)
and/or
Good => Original intents and harmony of God's intents in creation => Adverse intents to harmony in God's intents => Acts of Evil
UNQUOTE

Could it be taken in reverse? Obviously NO! Adverse intents did not arise simulteneously with God's original harmony but AS A RESULT OF THEM. One came BEFORE THE other. And after them, came evil. That would suppose evil was not at the beginning and thus, was created! Simple and very brilliant of the poster, I must say.

But why am I bothering to write this when NL knows your intent is to win, rain or shine, fair or not? We all know you get it!

@InesQor:

This post is absolutely brilliant!

InesQor:
Deep Sight:

Yes, Light is self-existent; but not so darkness. It is impossible for there to be complete darkness, speaking scientifically. It is only possible to have a highly reduced amount of light. Thus there could never have been a time of complete darkness (Satan's existentiality), AS WELL as a time of complete self-existent light (which would have dispelled the darkness). This is why I say that the concept of darkness was in existence, but darkness itself was not.

Consider a hot-air balloon full of air, floating peacefully in the sky, and it is punctured by a bullet such that it begins to leak. At the primordial time, the balloon was wholesome, and there was no "lack of air" about it. As the balloon loses air and altitude, the engineers on board begin to patch the leaking hole to reduce the rate of expulsion of air, and thus the rate of descent and avoid crashlanding. Before the puncture, the POSSIBILITY of losing altitude due to a puncture was in existence, but the drunk man who shot the balloon had not yet pulled the trigger, and the hot air had not began to leak. If the POSSIBILITY of losing air had not existed, then even if the balloon was shot nothing would have happened. This illustrates how I mean when I say the possibility of darkness was available, but darkness itself wasn't, and neither was Satan (in his current evil form).

Please note that darkness is not the absence of light. Darkness is that which to an extent denies the influence of light in a location. There is no such thing as "darkness" in its essential form (without reference to the light it has denied).

Light (visible light) is always present, and has always been present. It's just that our eyes don't take in enough light to see in "dark" places. So "complete darkness" would be the complete absence of light (impossible, since light is primeval). But darkness as we perceive it is better expressed as a "lack of light", to varying degrees.

Similarly, Evil is not the absence of good, rather it is that which to an extent denies the influence of good in a situation / location. Evil cannot be referenced in an essential form without reference to the good that it has denied. Good is ALWAYS present, and has always been present with the harmony of existence. I don't see how evil (an iota of disharmony) could have existed at the same time as good (harmony)! Evil is the lack of good, to varying degrees.

So, Evil has not always existed. Rather, God being good, and the established existence of agents that could move independent of him, necessitated the possibility that evil could exist. THIS POSSIBILITY OF EVIL was established when Good was established, but not Evil itself. Evil was established when an agent took advantage of the possibility. I repeat, I believe Evil is not primordial.

Over and over, I get to wondering who Viaro really is - one time, I thought he was Maven. Now it seems he is Toneyb. Very civil conversation between two opposing factions. Now, if only it was DeepSight. Thats the only person its obvious he isn't on NL. All the vitriol is reserved solely for OOI's messiah

@OP:

Have you considered that the most significant evidence of God is this discussion and the fact that the question even came up? "Nothing" is rarely discussed. What ought be discussed is which of the "gods" is God and which are pretenders - differing cultures that never met in ancient times all had their deities - why do you suppose everyone could be fooled? What fooled them - God or nothingness? Or maybe, since its all about evolution, humankind didn't develop brains till atheists came onto the scene - when?

@Ilosiwaju:

Abeg O! Don't visit your dictionary because of me O. I'm dreading clicking reply because of you. Meanwhile, how now, bros?

a'ight Mazaje:

will check your links. Try google "psychic detectives" too.

Charman V:

why'd you disappear?

mazaje:
The problem is not about god its about you and what you believe. . , You have been made to believe that there is a god that will harm or kill others because they do not believe in the version of stories that men wrote about him. . . . .You see, your entire religion and belief relies ONLY on fear, that is what makes you accept these absurd, ridiculous and pathetic mythical stories about some god figure which others invented a god figure which you have never seen, can not even describe how it looks like or what shape or form it has. How will your mythical belief function if you were not conditioned to accept it based on fear? How will you believe in all these mythical tales if you are not promised that those of you that accept it will go to some where good when you die, while those that reject it will go to some where bad(By the way the soul it self is another mythical construct). . . .The human mind is a very very complex and powerful thing. . . . .We have all been there before we all have been indoctrinated and we all know how it feels, we also know about the meaningless fear that is involved in the indoctrination and conditioning. . . . .There is NO god that will deal with atheist mercilessly, I know that you will like that god to exist, but sorry it does not, its only your imaginations and the mental conditioning that exists. . .Nothing more. . . . . .

On the possibility of the existence of God, look at the many experiences out of the ordinary that reason and science can't handle - programs on the paranormal abound nowadays. So do tv shows detailing psychic activity used by the US police to solve crimes. Yet we just place a blanket and say God (and the spirit world) doesn't exist. When its proven that it was the visions or "leads" of a psychic that led police to the apprehension of a criminal, do you say the psychic is deluded? If there is a spirit world, it stands to reason there is a leader there. Progressing from that premise, there is a natural progression to the "God concept". Its not a dream, delusion or idiocy. Its a fact and He has right to do as He wills.

The concept of a "good", "father-figure to only our church", "deadly and tithe collecting shylock" God comes from organized "business" Christians. The Bible provides only one definition of God BY God. It says "I am that I am". Nothing apologetic there. Other definitions include that "He shows mercy to whom He will and to whom He won't, He doesn't" and "The clay cannot ask the potter, what makest thou?" and that "He is Jealous". Words like loving, fatherly, friendly etc are man's attempts to describe something thats undescribable. When DeepSight appears with his theories of God being something nobody cannot understand, I tend to agree with him though not accepting all his theories.

Some have come out of the organizations that do exactly what you have said above and many are not even seen as Christianly (by the organized churches) any longer. However, they are Christians like should be. Using the "herd instinct" christians as a type stamp for all is not right.

@Ilosiwaju the "Deep" chairman,

my enunciation only attempts (and poorly so) to mirror an ICBM coming from you.

@Toba:

Thanks for your spermatozoa idea. I remember it starts with quite a large number of these fighting for the honor of fertilization (i.e. winning). So we end up saying that any human is a winner and won that race because spermatozoa are individuals and only one got there first.

Yet, we find some wannable "atheists"; whose only claim to atheism remains belligerent noise-making and anguished screams of more, harder I don't believe without concise understanding of what is not believed, saying life is about insulting groups of their peers and BETTERS simply because they belong to a belief system which showed their personal lapses in ways uncomfortable to them.

Such state that life is a parody, a smile, an insult, a dance of masquerades and fools rather than war. How the spermatozoa that became these won the first battle escapes me. As I said in another thread, its sad the the idiots are taking over

@DeepSight:

Lovely poems. Only I wonder where the inspiration for these came from ;Hopefully, another set of trances, ehn!

^^^ Go grow up and decide what sex you are then operate from that perspective. On your way, get a life and some work to do. Twill give you focus. You sound more vague than ever. Its not compulsory to click "reply", you know. It doesn't make you applicable; only reinforces the nuisance value. 1400 years of the above and you won't still get that you so desperately seek - respect. Try something else cos only a "---l" keeps doing the same thing and expecting different results.

RANT rant rant!? /? na by force to type?

jagunlabi:
Was the fabled war in "heaven" biblically justified?Why didn't yahweh say to lucifer, "Luke, you naughty boy!Will you stop that nonsense!", instead of starting a fullscale war?
To be a christian is to be confused for life.

If fable, then not worth the effort discussing it. If not, choice comes in and that was left to the parties involved. Oga, are all christians confused? all white men intelligent? all arabs muslim? all atheists reasonable? all aged people experienced?

Tudór:
Some people rant [size=13pt]*[b]life is a war[/b]*. [/size] . .no shiiit

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A belief more reasonable and based on reality than say, the idea that belligerent "baseless" ranting and thinly veiled insults show intellect.

Maybe you ought to consider what the word "War" means, then ask yourself what you go to do at a warfield. Is "Soldiering" sinful? What does a soldier have as primary objective when joining the military? Wouldn't you say his main objective is the defence of the territorial integrity of his country? How does he defend that if threatened? By shaking hands on the battlefield or what?

True, the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill", but maybe you ought to consider the implication of not defending yourself when your own life is on the line.

Nice to finally have it from the horses mouth that the source of his inspiration is trances occasioned by "smoking serious mari juana"

@DeepSight:

I have noticed that even when provoked or with fun poked at you, you remain calm and so have my respect. Look at this issue however - this "definition" comes from the world where criticism is met with murder and questions with anguished screams and frenzied gnashing of teeth.

I have told these "people; before that being truly divine, Jesus would find much of the insults funny - He has nothing to prove! But can you imagine them being reminded of the call, life and times of the man of Arabia?

And please stop pushing this thing you do so well at me - saying we "know" many things which you then conjure. You are leading the witness, Sir and this is not a court of law where presentation wins the matter rather than truth.

BTW, trinity does not transcend human understanding. I personally, get it and I am not past human. Body, Spirit and Soul; Me writing, me on the phone and me in the flesh. Simpler than OOI.

I wonder why anyone finds this offensive. Its so laughable we ought feel sorry for the person who wrote it. Poor immature attempt at humor and obviously a desire for attention. I wonder what the world is coming to - Christians who don't know who Christ is, Muslims who believe Islam means peace and now Atheists (the supposed last bastion of rationality) are allowing simpletons and dolts into their ranks.

Sign of the times - idiots are taking over

the_seeker:
Trinity = a vindictive father + a suicidal son + a dove

@the_seeker:

are you sure you can stand an intelligent response to this obtuse statement?

Why do you people look for trouble then weep when it wakes up? If anyone were to give you what is logical considering your statement, you'd become constipated online and start screaming Jihad, insult etc. Why don't your remember you live in a glass house when you want to throw stones? So Okay, you think you defined Trinity - would you like a definition of Islam?

@Abuzola:

As an aside, HOW DO YOU KNOW how chelsea (sepe) affects people?

You've been loading your "aige" with burukutu abi?

No wonder your posts smell of drunkeness

You, love, are preaching to the choir. I agree 100% with you.

It is so wrong and on too many levels too

Abuzola is an underaged, severely derailed, mentally challenged juvenile fanatic who is taking jamb for the 6th time without having an O'level credit in either English or Math. He spends his 2K weekly allowance on ogogoro for his prayer kettle and paying for cyber-cafe time! Since he knows he's not likely passing this year too, he hopes that by making much noise here, the arabs or a rich fanatic will notice him and invite him over outside Naija and he too can become "tokunbo". Then he can come back and approach the Amala seller's housegirl and hopefully lose his virginity. Lets support him before his frustration leads him rather, to put a bomb between his legs. Please remember where frustration and virginity led Mutallab to!

Please save Abu for NL.