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@gists:

He didn't get it in advance! What he is saying is that AFTER the attacks, someone wrote him suggesting it was a government sponsored attack aimed at making people forget about the fuel subsidy report and the calls for Diezani Maduekwe's resignation etc and think only of Boko Haram!

He just shared the email so others could see what some people felt was happening

@Debosky:

Please comment O! Can you tie the lying and dishonesty together now and see why some are "worried"?

^^ that post by Buzugee was brilliant! Pleae what thread did he say that on? I would like to read in context!

Image:

There is NO question you asked that anyone danced around! After answering even the ones you asked me, you wanted clarification and I again answered!

And the Goshen question issue is sad! You knew he meant the "priesthood" but legalistically insisted that it was the levites he said were abolished!

That is dishonest!

Btw, do you by any chance work in the petroleum ministry, NNPC or police pensions? They will appreciate your talents in those places!

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@OP

At the "end" of the story (probably fictional, we learnt why God allowed the servant to be imprisoned.

Why not wait till the "end" of life (your story) before finding out why satan was created to (yes, to do so) turn against his creator?

Image123:

Everyone is asking questions and since I answered yours, let me ask some too that will aid viewers understand what is happening here

What do you do for a living?

Are you a pastor or aspiring pastor?

Is tithe(s) your primary (or secondary) source of income?

Why are you lying and refusing to answer simple questions directly IF INDEED you truly believe your position is right?

Is it righteous or holy to avoid honesty and dance about issues? which of Jesus or His Apostles behaved like this?

Only 5 questions but readers will see through you!

An amazing level of fraud!

I thought the question was if the levitical "priesthood" was abolished!

So how does it become if the Levites were abolished?

But we must dodge abi? And do wayo especially in the name of God?

We are kuku under "Grace" abi? So the belongings of the poor can be seized and used to honor ourselves!

But Christ apparently saw this and said "the will I say unto them, 'I never knew you, workers of iniquity'". Always, someone will laugh last!

What is happening here is amazing! But people are watching

I agree with Debosky and since I am real-life friends with Kunle, have outside this forum pleaded with him to be more patient!

Many of us have studied this issue over & over because we were afraid to do the wrong thing! And because we were afraid, we understand that others can also be afraid with good cause! What brings disgust is knowing that the "other guy" knows the truth but because he is a pastor making money from it, refuses to allow truth reign!

I believe that if Image123 and Olaadegbu would "DARE" to answer Goshen's questions, truth would be made obvious! But they both know this and so, the duplicity, obfuscation and posturing! For someone like me who has done all evil things and then some that nobody even ever thought about, truth is a big issue and so I wonder and smile sadly at pretense etc

Boasting Sector

Impoverishment of Nigerians sector

Corruption enhancement sector

Annoying Boko-Haram to the detriment of those he should protect Sector

Ah, fight ke? Kunle, abeg don't quarell O.

Let him and Goshen settle this cos I see the Spirit of God is definitely in Goshen with these questions!

And please leave Olaadegbu out of this! Snowwy can be yabbed cos he is definitely fraudulent but let Olaadegbu define himself clearly first!

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Well, we'll see! But chairman Image says he never said he would OR PLANNED TO answer! He just wasted time and took the heat off by throwing those questions!

And of course you can see him & Olaadegbu NOW talking of fine print and terms & conditions!

Once the questions and thread became too hot, the diversionary tactics began - 1st was Olaadegbus "how do we know you are Christian" as if Christ & Apostles didn't discuss with non-believers! If the Lord of Glory & His personal Apostles did, can you imagine an internet warrior boasting his own belief cannot discuss with such (if we were)? When answered, he became legalistic! Then Image found naught to say and asked his own questions! After we all had answered, we hear he never had plan to respond! so, his questions were baseless since he hasn't used them for ANY purpose + they even were a trick to irritate, plus obfuscate and change the issues raised by the thread!

Satan truly is a wily evil serpent and master.

Now watch please! He won't quote the posts that showed his paucity of truth but will quote this and presently will "get annoyed" and leave the thread!

Is pride, trickery and confusionism a Christian trait nowadays?

you don't know so why not keep shut and learn? You have discovered your belief is NOT supported by scripture so why not humble yourself (that's the man God favors)! You can even decide to keep giving a tenth to church - who will stop you or wants to? Just do not preach it as binding! Allow Children of God to remain free as God intended!

I honestly do NOT know why Goshen and Kunle are perturbed at all

You guys forget that there are others who have been silently reading and watching our conversation! They have brains, don't they? And they can see the duplicity, can't they?

When I said "image should not behave like the devil who looks for how to trap", and called him honorable, I knew he would either prove me right or wrong! Now he has shown everyone that he has no points to face Kunle, Jem1 or Goshen! We all answered him (like Christ did) but now he shows himself to represent those who when Christ spoke to, were incensed because they had nothing to say!

It was obvious that he had found his Waterloo in Goshen but wanted a way out, was why he asked meaningless questions! He hoped Kunle or one of us wouldn't respond but now we have, what did you expect from him!

Normal - satan tempted then ran! Image questioned then ran! So the question is "IMAGE" of who? Satan or Religion? Cos Christ is far away from this combo above! Abi what reader ever saw Jesus tongue-tied and resorting to "cowardice"? Or running away?

I hereby christen you "DevilImage" the cowardly pharisee

Please let us remain honorable and friendly! Many of those who believe in the tithe idea are sincere and fight only because they feel there is a need for a "legal" subvention in the sense of fixed figures!

If we are to convince, the worst way is through attrition. Image is a reasonable person - let's not alienate him into anger, pride etc where this becomes like the CEC thingy

Beaf: Driven by sentiment rather than logic ehn? No wonder you talk without sense, bro.
Anyways, I don't despise you. Such stuff is for cry-babies.

Asisine talk from a cur who has made his deal with satan! The number & calibre of people who have taken you up on the hole in your conscience shows what side of history I am on!

Such as you ought consider history and your forebears, the cut-throats, petty thieves and thugs that were used to terrorise innocent people all in a bid to sell a lie! Like Tokyo, such as you end up by the roadside bleeding and deserted whist those who fight against tyranny, sloth, official corruption and mangy dogs like you, are revered!

@image123:

I did answer all your questions but ok -

6. Thomas was a Jew and Jews performed Jewish rites

10. Tithes are a tenth of whatever is being considered. If you "give" someone 1% or 4% or 60%, you are giving! So giving is giving! But we are not talking of just giving here - what is in the dock is giving because you are made to believe or scared into believing that you must make a sacrifice contrary to the tenets of Christ

1. Jesus never argued about tithes! But he also never argued about men sleeping with men! Is that also then right? Or can you show me where He said "males, please do not strafe yourselves"?

2. Depends on interpretation but we know He lived "under the Law" and was a fulfillment of it so tithes should have been okay for him before the cross! However, there is NO record that His Apostles paid tithes which there should be records of if they put a tenth of the effort we do today on the issue! What we see from the life of the Apostles are freewill offerings! It was good enough for them, its good enough for me!

3. Its obvious from the story of Abram that there was at least that and Jacobs instances of freewill tithing! But Melchizedek did not become a preaching behemoth beggar cursing Abram if he didn't pay it! And we have NO record of Jacob paying - his case leaves the possibility that he may have changed his mind and he WAS MORE BLESSED THAN ANY tithe-monger! Then there are the Mosaic law tithes which are easily separated into 3! I hope you are not saying todays tithes is based on any of all these because that would be a blatant lie from the pits of hell!

4.Jem1 has answered this perfectly. All I will add to it is that nobody remembers the "eaten" tithe today since it cannot be invested in large air-conditioned buildings or schools and universities!

5. Paul (Saul) was a Pharisee - we all know he observed temple rites and even boasted about them. This question makes no sense as it adds nothing!

6. Did Peter, James & John observe temple rites AS THE PHARISEES did (with mouths while their hearts were elsewhere devising how to reap where they didn't sow?

7. "Tithe" means a tenth! Tithe is not "giving" - it is a value and not an act performed! Your word "tithing" is an aberration and a tradition rather than a noun which is what "tithe" meant as a legal term used for those eligible which means some were not eligible to pay it!

8. We live under a dispensation of "Grace" - Nobody is going to hell for lying, stealing, tithes etc. You go to hell based on your situation in Christ and the fruits of that! Don't use tithes in grammar fraudulently to gain points! You are supposed to be a Christian, not the trap-setter who searches for whom to devour. I won't enter that trap!

9.NO, not always!

10. Fallacious trick and unbecoming of a Christian. Some of those your passage referred to gave "love", helped others in times of trouble etc. Being a shoulder to cry on is "giving as God has prospered you"! Same is using your skill as a doctor or nurse to help the injured or sick! But today, giving is just Naira and Kobo! Why do you think that is, Image123? Why don't we eat our tithes with the poor and needy? Why don't we count helping others thru pain as "giving as God has prospered us". I once gave 2 guys wounded in an accident a lift to UCH then paid a deposit for their treatments! Was that giving as Gos prospered me or not!

Why is it only Naira coming to church coffers that is your own giving? Even giving to the widows, homeless and orphans is not good enough for you - it must enter church pockets!

shey u go answer Goshen now?

@Kunle:

Haba, why are you allowing our brother to have excuse to play wayo now?

Do you have any thing you fear to confront? Accept and let's answer his questions! Then we'll see him face Goshen and bite dust!

Abeg accept O. We are better than to play games! At least we hold ourselves to higher standards and want him to do same

I don't get what makes many of us tick! When Bankole was indicted, Yorubas cried most! When OBJ was president, yorubas were the ones who opposed him most! It is instructive to note that aside the bayelsa dog who dressed as a woman, practically all those OBJ fought were his kinsmen!

So where do you get off supporting the most blatant and cruel despoil of Nigeria and the rationalizing of that just because the culprits are your kinsmen! Your children suffer, you are deprived, you lose on a daily basis yet you smile because its a kinsman who does it!

Talk about myopia - if he truly saw you as kin, would he do such?

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And what do you fantasies tell you I lost?

Check my last posts - I despise you all equally - PDP, CAN, CPC!

I like Buhari only because he has a clean record WITH graft!

So what have I lost, cur?

NOI is pathetic!

There's a budget of 245Billion. You are finance minister PLUS supposedly, you co-ordinate the entire economy and everyone must work with you!

Yet the cost gets to 245B and surpasses it and you keep quiet! It becomes 400% of that and you still keep quiet! Today we know it got to 2.7Trillion of which 1.7 was fraud! Yet the best this "prime minister" econoic "expert" could do was to hide the truth and decide that the best solution was worsen the economy by overloading the man on the street!

She should be ashamed of herself and be the first to go, not even DAM who always was a mediocre anyway!

Yet supposedly educated people are here trying to convince of her innocence forgetting that if she is innocent, that also suggests she is of low IQ and probably cheated to get the degrees.

Wole Soyinka got a 3rd class but in the real world got a Nobel! She has all these degrees & certifications yet allowed a 245billion budget to get to 2.7trillion! So what's the "real" value of her "education"? Trick or treat?

Amazing!

While I consider Aregbesola a partially demented thug, at least he has been sensible enough to NOT make open calls for the break-up of Nigeria!

Yet PDP is harrassing him on that very count! Yet here are PDP apologists openly canvassing for a breakup and even discussing openly online on ways to achieve such yet the SSS will not investigate because these are PDP men!

Why don't you all then show some decency and not accuse someone else of what you are yourselves guilty of? Funny you would wish to be seen as serious people after this!

Beaf: This is too big for any family affair. GEJ has made it known that any heads that must roll will roll, no matter who.

If "no matter who" find they have to "lose" their head(s), GEJ's head will roll as well since of the 1.7T, at least half went into his campaign. What is patently obvious is that these indicted people decided they couldn't be used to steal so much without getting some for themselves and so, while giving him his pound of flesh, they also took some for themselves.

How he handles this will break or break his government because finally, he will learn his place before Nigerians is on his knees, not lording it over them!

Morning has arrived. I pray Lagos traffic won't keep the Apostle from getting to the office till evening!

Can I get an amen?

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No deal? Na wa O! Na proper ojoro and wayoo be dis O! No worry, I go call Kunle now now tell am make e please agree!

So him dey come! Please start composing your questions. Ask them sef!

But bros, u dey fall my hand O! This na classic CEC move - discuss anything and everything so the original issue becomes muddled up!

^^ mouth!

Place a curse na! Abi? If you are lying against him, whether deliberately or not and he was not responsible for that violence, may you learn firsthand what it is to be falsely accused and suffer for what you have NOT done!

Can we have an amen from you?

@Image123:

Deal. Ask away andf Nuclearboy will merrily answer! I will also set the example by answering as shortly and as direct as possible

By the way, (and I thought this was well known) I do NOT flatter! You will recall that everytime we have clashed, it has been "tithes" - EVERYTIME! So I believe you are sound but your 5 minutes of madness na concerning tithe e dey show! What I wonder is what you do for a living cos na tithe-collectors dey go this far!

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No!

You are better than this, Image! Far far better and more honorable than to play the "holy injured" card!

Goshen360 has asked some questions and your only clear defence till now was that it was emotion that made God send Christ into the world! Aside that, you have only ignored the issue and taken Kunle to task over inanities totally dodging Goshen!

Forget snowwy who is a baby illusionist in training! You know where he is coming from is that self-service, smoking and alchohol are gifts of the Spirit!

Ask yourself - why did Christ's enemies always get tongue-tied? They always resorted to "He makes himself equal to God" or "He blasphemed"! That's what we are seeing manifest here - The religious are getting tongue-tied and attacking the messenger rather than the message!

Remove yourself from them OR avoid this thread totally so we know you resigned! You are better than this "scam" of obfuscating issues!

Rather than answer Goshen360 who Kunle has left the floor for, what you are insisting on doing is repeating yourself and answering your own questions yourself!

What's the point of quoting yourself and then commenting on what you earlier said!

Is that the 21st century spirit of prophecy?

@Goshen

Image123 will show up. He is a relatively honorable person. Problem is it seems he has suddenly understood that he cannot answer without problems. He is probably trying to find Biblical support but suddenly the Bible has turned it's back and is quiet.

That is as good an admission of "loss" as any other.

The problem is that its difficult to accept you have been wrong for many years and that much of what you based your "knowledge" on has been a lie perpertrated against you by people you trusted

Image,

Christ NEVER hid from His Own! Or perharps you could show me one example where He dodged like you have been doing? Can't you simply answer the questions? Simple direct honest answers which do not contain non-issue or posturing?

Them "you know who" already perfected this insistence in prevarication until the real "issues" get lost in a hail of "stories"! You and me know they are pretenders and only worship their tummies! You cannot wish to be like those, can you? And you NEVER get tongue-tied like this except concerning tithes!

Be honorable and face Goshen head on and honestly

I believe the time has come when we ought keep silence and allow the increasingly inevitable happen!

The Arab Spring will be childs play when Nigeria wakes up and maybe that's what would satisfy those who make peaceful change impossible