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@free123 and Wetu:

Thank you for your analysis.

Joagbaje has clarified his position by saying his experiences with "deliverance" are of more import than the Bible. Time and time again, they expose themselves with their lies, scriptural manipulation and lifestyle.

He remains a witness then, of himself and his eyes rather than God's Word. What would anyone call that except the spirit of the anti-christ when you negate God's Word for your own decisions and trust.

@SirJohn:

Why do you bother? Dude must eat now or you want him to lose his claim to a name, a plate of food and the crumbs falling off "pastor" chris dogs table?

Joagbaje:
The Antichrist and his false prophet will do lying wonders. [size=14pt]But remember You know the spirit of error by their fruit which is in what they profess[/size]. The Antichrist will not acknowledge Jesus as lord. He will come in his own name. That's what Jesus said.

Can you imagine a "PASTOR", a supposed "SHEPHERD" saying the rubbish above? Spirit of error is shown by what someone professes?

Chei, Jesus has suffered from these people.

So, if an Apple tree professes that it is an Orange tree but produces Apples, Joagbaje will say it is an Orange? See why the Bible says "these people honor me with their mouths but their heart is far from me"?

Basically, if a man says he is a Christian but you find out he is an adulterer, a hired assasin, armed robber, a degenerate gambler, 419, cultist and a purveyor of women of easy virtue, what matters to you is what he says and not what his life shows?

No wonder!

You Joagbaje and Newmi - both of you are lying CRIMINALS.  

Nuclearboy said and I quote

what spirit makes demons tremble and know Jesus is Lord

But Joagbaje the"holy" pastor, the MOG changed it into

Where is it stated? Demons can not call Jesus their lord.

Did I say demons call Jesus their Lord or did I say "THEY KNOW/BELIEVE (TREMBLE THAT) JESUS IS LORD"?

Meanwhile, what the Bible says is

James 2:19 "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!"

Which is the SAME thing I said - THEY KNOW. I never said they accepted Him as their Lord. But because you are selling lies, the only thing you can do is try to change what I said. Funny, I ignored it when Joagbaje said it (and he knows the specific reason why) because I didn't want to look like I was victimizing him. But newmi comes, head first (but brain dead) as usual and Jo AGAIN says I ignored it. Okay, I am not ignoring again but showing you are a liar twisting my words, twisting the Bible and showing the fruits of your father satan. Are you satisfied now that I talked to you the way Christ did to the pharisees and with His style of tact/decorum?

Interestingly, I also had said

Why are you CEC so eager to lie? Why is it so easy for you to tell lies and make yourselves out as victims?

And what both of you have just done is again, show us your fruit by lying and twisting as usual. Yet "braindead" wanted to call me a liar as he wrote above.

Una well done  

^^ Okay.

Truth is the Gospel draws people to Christ because Christ is The Gospel.  Even Wealth, Health and special Information (the 9 gifts of the spirit) are deployed only for purposes of the Gospel, not to feel good.

Anything that draws people outside of Christ is therefore NOT the Gospel.

Prophets selling amulets that warn you of danger and predict whether Ronaldo will score with his leg or his head are doing things outside of the Gospel and are serving falsity.

We are supposed to serve the purposes of the Gospel not the purposes of pastors supposedly propagating "it"

Joagbaje:
@nuclearboy

Is that a blackmail ? It's not an issue of fear but an issue of ethics. Why must you get personal on a christian discussion. We are supposed to have a common ground "the bible " it should be enough to prove any honest point. Going off that to insults and personal attacks is childish and Manipulative.It's a weak escape from reality of the Word.

I quoted the bible . It's not my saying. Except you're willing to denounce the bible itself.

Where is it stated? Demons can not call Jesus their lord.

What dirty life I'm I living?

You're wrong I jugde a man of God  by his doctrine. That's bible standard. If a man does something else behind , it's not anybodys business but between him and his master. And it's this who live dirty lives that always believe everybody is like them. Liars don't trust anybody but loves beliveth all things.

That's your opinion. I talked with Fyne guy , his side was different. Even if there is element of truth, do you judge a church by what someone did there? 

Give us the name of a perfect church . You mentioned deeper life one time. Which shows you don't even have a church to mention but that's nit my problem. Did you read the news about a deeper life pastor despoiling a child recently?  Jesus himself didn't have a 100% perfect congregation. Neither paul who had all sorts in his churches.

Pls enlighten me . You have been on this market selling for long. What market I'm I selling. Tapes or video? This is childish dear.

The problem is that they work iniquity. So those who work iniquity, Jesus will handle . Not Wetu nor nuclear boy. The energy used to attack men of God would have been more productive for you if used to preach the gospel.

We  work out our salvation. A man can lose his salvation. But it's not anybody cup of tea. It's between him and his master.

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

First, the issue of blackmail - NO, IT IS NOT BLACKMAIL. The Bible says we know a tree by its fruits - I didn't say that. The Bible did! So I call upon your fruit to JUDGE- it will justify or to condemn you as saying the truth. That is the common ground - that our fruit shows who we really are.

What is weak and manipulative is trying to make things look like people are targeting you personally or trying to make issues impersonal - The CHRISTIAN walk is personal as you know and Jesus Himself made it so. Your attempts to make it impersonal are what is manipulative and childish. FRUIT shows WHO WE ARE!

The Bible's Words are to be rightly divided as "wetu" did. Yes, a man can call Jesus Lord ("Jesus I know, Paul I know but who are you" also did, didn't he?) but what then did Jesus mean when He said He would say He NEVER knew them and that they were workers of iniquity to men who supposedly did great things in His Name? Are you saying those men would do great things in His Name without saying "Jesus is Lord"? Or are you saying Jesus was lying? Again, you are long on boasts but short on truth if you believe al that is necessary is "confession". Actually, the Biblical understanding of "confession" is true ACCEPTANCE that lives what it says.

You personally, I do not know and so it was a figure of speech when I say you live a dirty life. What I meant is simple - your claims are directly contradicted by your "FRUIT" (I love that word). Would you again like me to list some things CEC is known for in society? Or things that you personally have done here? That is your fruit, not the words you mouth! As they say - TALK IS CHEAP!

You judge by "doctrine"? Okay, judge Robert Liardon and Odulele by doctrine. Now consider their their homosexuality and perversion - what does that say about them? What does it say about their doctrine now when their life is examined? Lies ehn? And what does it say about you but that you are affected by fine speeches even when coming from white-washed Sepulchers. I do not judge a man by his words (doctrine) but by his life and fruit. That is God's standard. It may seem harsh to you but it is God's Standard and we see it from Genesis through Revelation.

If love believes all things as you said, you should believe me that pastor chris is a liar since his fruit is lies.

Why do you put "even if there is an element of truth" in fyneguy? Obviously, even you know he doesn't add up. 419 is 419, leave the stories and that is normal fruit of your idol, pastor chris. Basically, what we say is it is a scam not the truth of his life.

You, a "Pastor", a supposed MOG, are asking me to name a perfect church?   Wonderful?  Answer - The church of God is those He called out.

It is not a named congregation and you not knowing that only shows how shallow your theology is. Ecclesia - the called out ones - THAT is the church. And I NEVER mentioned Deeper life as a perfect church. That is a lie and another fruit of pastor chris. But you can prove me wrong and show where I said it - my posts are there. What I said was totally different. Why are you CEC so eager to lie? Why is it so easy for you to tell lies and make yourselves out as victims?

Stop making noise about energy and its uses - what Gospel are you preaching? This money, health, control, "I am God" nonsense? Is that the Gospel of Christ?

The Apostles lived a life that drew men to them. They showed love, care, the power of God and men saw their light and came to it. Which is what Jesus requested - be a light and the power of God WILL confirm you in signs and wonders AS HE WILLS, not as you decide or claim!

You sell a brand - You prey on fear of poverty (pay your tithes and believe and you'll be rich). You prey on the helpless needy (come to the healing school and we'll heal you but you will "show" your faith by dropping cash). You prey on desperation (just bring more and more and of course, if nothing happens, it is their fault, NOT pastor chris). You have only built an army of the blind led by the blind.

But now, the end is near!

mabell:
@Poster,
when you stop giving your tithe, you cut God financial flow away from your life, you break the edge God put around you and most of all you rob God

On a global scale, there is as example, William (Bill) Gates III, Carlos, Oprah Winfrey etc

On a national scale, there are Dangote and Adenuga.

Who do they give/pay tithe to? How come they are the most successful HONEST business-people in the world? Can you name ONE tithing Billionaire?

Interestingly, Bill Gates has given away $30 Billion in the past one year. He gave it to help the poor, sick, to eradicate polio and malaria (Just as Jesus said) and he would be richest in the world if he didn't give that away.

So the truth on the ground is that those who are NOT following your advice but who are following Jesus are doing WELL. Yet even the beneficiaries of your scams (the pastors) are not doing well anywhere near the above. What they do to get the little they get from their robbery has given them a mainly bad name as evidenced even on this forum. In effect, your own testimony is fraud, cheating, lying, a bad name etc.

That is YOUR fear! Because your life proves the opposite of what you claim. And that is why I am on it!

The Bible is what "wetu" used to argue above and that you twisted in your own argument also. So let us come to brass tacks!

Which one is showing RIGHT fruit?

Is it the "gister" with boasts and a lying tongue who believes signs are all that matters? That is your side and Jesus canceled you 2,000+ years back when He said "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

Or is it the one who is dividing truth rightly and saying it is NOT gist or boasts etc? TB Joshua and your man are in cahorts so must be bunched together - I thought TBJ even claimed to be a "spiritual" papa to pastor chris Asewo sonu, Jaguda nwa!

Oga Jo is reloaded arrogantly again. WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS PERSONAL rather than doctrinal and of course you fear that!!

You say it takes the Holy Ghost for a man to confess Jesus openly! So tell us - what spirit makes demons tremble and know Jesus is Lord? You are confessing and living a dirty life. They "know" (that is greater than "talk" which you may not mean) and they also live the same life. Your fruit and theirs is cheating, lying, defrauding etc. The Devil is here to steal, kill and destroy. That describes both you and demons perfectly. So what is the difference?

You "judge" your pastor chris by appearance because he says the right things and behaves the right ways in front of the world yet the truth is that it is his fruit that God and indeed, serious Christians look at and mehn, his fruit wowo pass terrible - even demons are more manageable. Yet you say "wetu" who is telling you the truth is judging by appearances while you are looking at fine hair and face and smooth gist!

The Apostle said clearly "My works show my faith. Show us your faith without your works". Where are your pastors works? The frauds, fyneguy, thuggery, etc. Which supposes that we have to assess and judge and as "wetu" already pointed out, those who tested the spirits were commended by Jesus.

PS: You do NOT know the Bible - what you know is how to use it to sell your market. That in itself proves your paucity of truth and knowledge.

Buhari for PRESIDENT. We need people that can be trusted

^^^

Grey Beard:
[size=2pt]Yes! I agree completely.

Ignorance: Many Christians are ignorant of the facts about tithing. Tithing was never established as a means to gain. Abraham tithed to show gratitude and respect to Melchilsedek. Moses made tithing a law to support Jehovah's house and the Levi priests who where not allowed to own land or have any worldly inheritance. Tithing to gain is not only ignorant, it is foolish.[/size]

Lack of Faith: Too many Christians only have faith in other people (Pastors, MOG, Prophets etc) instead of putting their faith strongly and solely in the Most High God and no one else.

Lack of Giving: So many Christians believe giving their tithes to the church somehow entitles them to be rich and fortunate. Real giving is giving your MONEY, your TIME and your KNOWLEDGE to those people or causes that NEED IT. Real Giving is not giving to receive, it is giving to help others who need it. God answers people's prayers everyday through another person giving something and expecting in return nothing except that a need is met. Then God will bless you with more so that you can help more people. This is Giving. This is Living.

[size=2pt]Lack of Financial Discipline: Money is a physical object. Not a spiritual one. That means it is a limited resource. If you are on a boat at sea with only one bottle of drinking water you need to manage it well so that it will last you. If you drink it all too quickly then you will lack until you reach the land.

Laziness: Get rich quick schemes are ALWAYS either illegal or a scam. So many Christians see churches in the back of their minds as a means to get rich quick. Give and give and give and you will have lots of money. Sadly it doesn't work that way. If you want lots of money, go to were money is being made (the business world) and partake of it. Pray for inspiration, Take some risks and Work Hard!
If you want spirituality, righteousness and closeness to God then go to the (real) church because that is what it is for. Don't confuse the two.
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Truth - beautifully presented! The entire post! But enhanced/highlighted is simply awesome

[size=13pt]Once the foundation is laid, you don't build on it again. You build the house on top of the foundation[/size]:

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


And once the house is built, you leave it in the hands of overseers (elders)

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

What "Apostles" TODAY? Building WHAT foundation?

Way it looks, what we have TODAY are shepherds. But some of these are more grievous wolves than shepherds and thus, they speak perverse things and wish to make their own disciples. And needs must enhance their images thus claim to be what the real Apostles were.


Shall we talk about their fruit? And compare these to those of Peter or Paul?

@Jo:

Biblically? Or according to your own standards? Lets use the standards with which you judged pastor chris to be an "apostle".

What is Odulele? He too pastored, had crowds, taught them, prophesied etc. What is Oyedepo? How about Adeboye or even Adegboye? Or the CAC agbala itura one? Or samson ayorinde? Or anyone else who built a church?

BECAUSE you have basically said anyone who like your pastor, set up (pastor), taught (teacher), evangelized to crowds (evangelist) and prophesied IS AN apostle.

I knew this was and had to be all about pastor chris, the 21st century "apostolic" "god". Loyalty to that man is Joagbaje's calling,

Concerning my "headache", you'd have better understanding, Jo, if you  ever slowed down & completed thought processes as "Wetu" pointed out. Do you honestly think your "hordes" mean anything to me? I was just being rhetorical

^^ His point is that his pastor (the honorable most holy MOG) is also an apostle who is also his own prophet and needs no other "certification" except his own mouth. He is also a "god", by the way! Any dissenting view will come under attack and not from just him. I'd name them but I have a slight headache that I wouldn't wish enhanced by the CEC hordes.

Bottom line - say your piece and don't get into an argument or else, , . , , you will hate NL

Obviously. God is not seeing them the way the "sheep" see them.

Which would suggest the sheep look again

^^^ Yep, saw it. God bless

^^

You are right, Ogofollowfollow. YOU shall never prevail. That is why we are laughing

^^^ Read the entire thread, Zikky and you'll understand what happened

^^ Your story!

Are you serious?

@ SirJohn:

Haba, don't you know it is because you pay tithes and prophet offerings? Your MOG should be glorified for this wonderful miracle.

You should start paying 25% as tithe from now on.

I hope this is a joke

newmi:
so what is the ranting about, l have shared my testimony both of myself and my anty to the glory of God to whom is the power, the kingdom, and the glory forever, Amen! if you HAVE any cause to doubt me oya loosen up and present it else quiet and learn so you could walk out of your pathetic and horribly sorry life
"go tell all this crap to the birds, we know better" well l wish but the birds lack the requisite intelligence to synthesize, articulate and conveniently purposefully accommodate the information am pasting across hitherto l considered you better of than they, except you are suggesting that l made a mistake to rate you in terms of intelligence better than the birds. Hoooops

Chei, see English. All this only for SirJohn! Newmi don vex patapata O. Longmans contemporary dictionary don enter trouble.

Me, I don dey laugh with Kunle.

Oh pastor, pastor pastor chris, it is not your fault. Na the muguns wey full country get fault.

Very funny thread. But it is really nice you guys continue. Please say more and more. Very soon, you will contradict yourselves.

@newmi:

I really don't like talking to you because you already made up your mind and closed it. But consider the "lie" above -

1. You do not like arguing/discussing with us.
2. Yet you are calling for our attention all the time and have in this thread named me how many times?

That alone makes you look vacuous. PLUS you boast of praying for special calamities and affliction to fall upon "us" Are you sure the trauma your Aunt suffered didn't get transferred to you upstairs? Even you (as slow as we say you are) should know that is worse than insanity. Nice to see what pastor chris is teaching you. As I always say, lovely fruit! Interestingly, YOU recently spoke about love. This then is what you know as love?

@mabell:

The Christian life is meant to be like that of Jesus. Tell the truth at any cost. Let God's Glory show in your Truth, Consistency, love to others especially those who cannot pay you back; in short - be a light on a hill. When people see light, they come to it. They may not want Heaven or Christianity but they come. NOT for miracles (selfish reasons) or money but just because you are a real star. Then they admire and come closer. Then they start to practice what they see in you. You have WON them. It is not by preaching (that has its own place) but by WITNESS. Me/you witness with our lives. That is why we always talk about fruit. Everyone loves sweet fruits but sour grapes? You spit those out like one would your friend above praying for special calamity and affliction for others when he has not prayed and gotten comfort for himself yet.

Christian living is NOT MEANT to be an avenue for empty boasting (I won 10 souls - with what lifestyle), for claiming what is not yours, for a "christian" version of Al-quatiyah (lying for Jesus) or for cultism. Christians do NOT support people or place them on a pedestal. They support truth and they know that ALL men are Liars (including Chris Oyakilome and every pastor on the surface of the earth).

My point above is obviously lost to you. Let me try to clarify it with these questions

1. Do Christians willfully and consistently lie?
2. Do Christians cheat?
3. Are Christians meant to distort God's Word?
4. Do Christians change meaning of scripture to suit their current argument?
5. Do Christians prefer position among men to God's truth?
6. Do Christians misrepresent who they are?
7. Are Christians meant to support man or God alone?
8. Christ said NOT to hide a light - are Christians to hide their lives behind silence or to shine with forthrightness openly displaying their heavenly Fathers' Truth?
8. What other things do we know about ourselves that others don't that we should not do?

Joagbaje, only someone who has transcended the above should teach others. Only such should remain consistent.

That was my point above to both you and "NO". Sadly, truth is always bitter. But the Apostles accepted that truth from Christ and only those who don't follow Christ but claim Him refuse to accept the bitter truth. That is giving your life to Him

mba emeka:
I heard about nairaland in 2007. i didnt join initially, i just visited ,read some posts learnt from some of them and moved on. But daily i kept being drawn to it-the discussions, topics, arguments etc. i felt it was an oppurtunity to reach many, teach many and help many understand the true essence of christianity, of the new birth, of the power available to the body of christ- the power of the true and undiluted gospel of Jesus christ. i read posts from donnie and the likes and i was inspired. but when i saw posts of TayoD, Tudor and recently (actually 3yrs ago) Sirjohn. i wept and grieved in my spirit because i couldnt understand that such ignorance existed in the world today.

Time has gone by and nothing has changed but i have. i know when to discuss, whom to discuss with and how to discuss with whom i want to discuss with. its not about the ignorance they permeate in their posts (as regards sirjohn and one nuclearboy) its more about the spirit behind their posts. They represent billiousness, opprobium, deceit, envy,umbrage and the list continues. They have no respect for persons, for ideas, for authorities, for the word himself! they may come of to you as grammar flowing individuals who desire that the truth be told all the time but when you test the character of their posts you will see that, that character that describes God most is missing- LOVE!

their posts are devoid of love, truth and faith! Dont take them serious. they may say they believe in God and miracles but when have they ever believed? If they have ever stretched forth their hands to heal the sick it would never be difficult to believe another mans testimony. Sirjohn even claimed he once used to "slay people under the anointing" now he says those things are fictitious. It is not an experience that took him away from us, it was God himself that pruned us and removed him. He may have started out as a member of the Body of Christ but he has veered of already. We pray that as Satan planned to sift Peter as Wheat but Jesus' prayer of intercession rescued him so would our prayer of intercession rescue him before its too late. Then when he is saved he can also save many others.

Joagbaje thank you for being a consistent and ever fervent soul winner and teacher. Your work here is commendable. As the scriptures say "God is not unrighteous to forget your labour of love" he would keep rewarding you openly.

Who needs enemies when they have "friends" like this flatulent windbag? Reminds me of Fyneguy, another great member of Christ Embassy, a worthy fruit of pastor chris and a true fine gentleman 419 who also once encouraged Jo the same way.

Bonobo above wants Jo to be the "CONSISTENT TEACHER" and continue as he has been doing and best of all, wants God to KEEP REWARDING HIM AS HE HAS BEEN DOING.

Wonderful prayer and wishes for you there, Jo.  Let me break it down for you. 

[size=14pt]Jo's Portion (exhortation to the MAN OF GOD Jo by Mba_NO)[/size]

Stay consistent - continue to lie and get caught. That will make pastor chris very happy. Acquire more IDs and use them effectively- ask yourself questions THEN answer them with a 2nd ID THEN praise your answer with a 3rd ID THEN fight against anyone who provides another perspective with a 4th ID. Get at least 200 more IDs - remember that December is coming and you MUST win "Religious Poster of the Year" so you need many IDs to vote for yourself to win that super-glorified title and the cash gift that comes with it. Support Avarice, greed and manipulation of the poor. Call every other poster a baby christian OR "not born again" then allow them display greater knowledge of the Scripture and God's Ways than you. Run away from threads when they become hot and when compelled to return,  ensure you come with a retinue of brainless farts to scatter the thread. Teach that the Apostle James is a baby christian and say he was wrong FORGETTING that what is in the Bible is NO LONGER Apostle James Word but the Manifest Word of God and therefore, it is God you are teaching is "a baby Christian" since it is God's Word. Be Shameless and shamelessly shameless about being shameless. This your consistent character and great teachings are what give pastor chris his good name.

[size=14pt]God's portion (Prayer for Joagbaje by NO_emeka)[/size]

God, please continue rewarding Jo as in the past. Let him "win" useless titles like Religious Poster of the Year, then let everybody know he cheated to win by voting for himself with multiple IDs. Continue rewarding him by letting him say Parables are known ONLY by Jesus saying "the kingdom of God is likened to". Let him continue to show the prosperity gospel is fake, vacuous and based on greed. Reward him by ensuring the people who support him are the crassest, densest eediots NL knows so that he can look good IN THEIR middle (at least he is better than they). Let them give themselves away by scattering everything when they find no Scripture or morality or good sense to support themselves anymore. Increase his rewards this year according to this above template so he can know how loved he is. All this and more, Mr Mba_NO wishes him in Jesus Name



One day, you people will know who your real friends are.

@Joagbaje:

Furthermore,

You may wish to stand against what I wrote above. If so, please show me ONE example of healing school or "planned" miracle session in the life of Jesus or His Apostles.

They went about living normally and when the Spirit decided, miracles happened. It is only because the ways of Christ are no longer enough for us today that we enter a snare. You plan a "healing school", or a "miracle session" IN THE FLESH and then MUST deliver. That is what causes the problem whereby deceit comes in. Because if nothing happens, people will wonder. So SOMETHING MUST HAPPEN BY HOOK OR CROOK.

You KNOW SirJohn did not lie about his personal experience in the healing school. You KNOW! It pushed him out of your church and made him wonder at God - is he the only one? God does NOT have to answer you so you are forced to make do with "extras" or else, name don spoil. Go and preach, finish and God will DO what will make your outing successful. But that is not enough for "prosperity pimps", is it?

Maybe if your pastor DID NOT promise what is not his to give, maybe you people would see more of what you wish to see. As it is, someone suffering from delusions finds it easy to feel good with you. Imagine - a woman fights with a friend who promises to deal with her. Later, she cooks and rubs pepper or something irritating in her eye. The eye itches for 2/3 days and she (superstitious piece of insolent garbage) runs to the nearest church and says "Yeee, my friend has made me blind". So the "holy" pastor asks "CAN YOU SEE?" and of course, she says "not well". Pastor goes ---> "mabarashakatobangoshe. mastakidneybalomza. BELIEVE and trust God has done it. Okay, can you see now?" and of course, she says "YES" and goes home. Pastor has healed her and of course, the irritation is passing so it looks okay and you now say this WAS a miracle. What was this? - spiritual fornication at its best!

The coming together of a rude, attritive superstitious female heathen who attends church as a feel good "duty" and always wanted to climb the stage and a Pastor trying to make a name forgetting God OWNS the name, not his actions. Maybe if you people made these "foolish" women true Christians who behaved well at home, they would not decide such a normal irritation is blindness. We see them here - combative, fighting, making noise, rude, uncouth, lacking manners and home training. Bad seeds that turned into genetic garbage. Which is why we keep taking of fruit.

But it is God's Name that suffers. Imagine that Sagamite only today wondered at the life of one of your greatest "friends" - what the world is seeing in the followers shows who the leader is.

^^^ I told you before that you don't know the people you argue against and where we all are coming from. Do not fool yourself - miracles happen but they come at God's time, in God's way. Many of us too have seen demons flee, seen healing and restoration and had miraculous encounters. But they do not come at our behest and they are the smallest part of Christianity. Do you know why?

The new birth is enough miracle and is the only true miracle because it is the only one that will last. Restored eyesight or limbs are transient because you can lose them again and will in fact lose them when you die. Only the new birth follows you into eternity. Who gets new birth has ALL that is compulsory. If they have further need of a miracle and God wills it, they will get it without stage-managing. Which is mainly what we say about the "prosperity gospel":people are fighting for the temporal rather than the permanent.

If what you have taken away from all our writings here is that we believe miracles do not happen, then your English is worse than terrible. What we believe is that most "miracles" are staged because the proponents want to "help" the faith of others and make themselves look good. This has NO place in true Christianity - would Jesus lie to further His cause?

That is not the Spirit of Christ.

@Joagbaje:

I have said before here that me PERSONALLY believe there must have been miracles DUE TO GOD'S GRACE at CE just as in every other Church.

But you people have turned it into a fiasco, a business and an eyesore. And it is your own words that I quoted above to show you were double tongued in this relating of the story. Your "friends" have deliberately avoided answering what your what imply but have rather turned this into a "us" versus "them" affair. Anybody who supports lies and asks you not to confirm truth is a liar and is NOT your friend. Watch you friends because you have no need of enemies with the type of friends you have. We will all be here and see what will come out of all of this.

History (even on NL) always has let us know that LIES WILL ALWAYS FIND YOU OUT.

This guy ogodaft doesn't have any marbles that we would say he lost them.

Joagbaje:
Sir John, the woman was 100% blind . When I gave you her number and you gave me untrue report. She confirm what you said was false. You claimed she said she began to see after going to herbalist and several consultation. But she told me that what she said to you was that she couldn't see, she went to several places and after much consultations, she was finally brought to me. And after I prayed for her , she began to see. I told you lied to me about what she said. You called her again, and later told me that she is saying something else.  You also spoke with her brother and he confirmed her miraculous healing that day . His number is here for anyone to call 08039377331 CHIMA by name.

His sister became totally blind. I prayed for her, initially no physical effect but I told her she was healed. [size=18pt]I was sharing Gods word ,when suddenly she shouted "I can see" " can see".  I asked her how it happened , she said as she was hearing the word , her eyes opened[/size]. But no sight. (her eyes were shut before) but as she was listening to the word , faith rose in her and she said "I can see in Jesus name" , the moment she shouted I can see , sight was restored perfectly, she was led by the hand to me , she walked home by herself.

I told you I have 4 blind cases healed , I told you of another incurable leg ulcer the hospital rejected. When I prayed for him , he got healed. He had medical report. I told you I had several healing cases. But when I saw what seemed to be insincerity on your part , I didn't bother about the other cases since it seemed you made up your mind that the era of miracles are over

Joagbaje:
Personal issues are involved. I said she had some issues with her Christianity . She had a fight with a neighbour and the person either a HE or She , threatened her she will sé something. The following day , she became blind. She couldn't even open the yes. For several weeks or so they carried her from place to place. Even native doctor.

That's how they brought her to me. She was led by the hand. [size=18pt]After I prayed for her, about 40 mins later she saw perfectly. [/size]The news went far. The blindness didn't re occur. So i was surprised to hear John say she wasn't blind.  She was fully blind . She confirm she narrated all these things to John. Which kin PEPER will be in the eye for weeks.

I didn't mind really.I have several cases to share and I was willing to give their numbers for verification but it seemed John just wanted to rubbish the testimony to win argument . I refrained from sharing the others since I wasn't happy with his insensitive handling of that woman. I didnt know his intentions again.

Very interesting.

First she regained her sight AS SHE WAS HEARING THE WORD I.E. DURING YOUR "PREACHING"/EXHORTATION/WHATEVER".

But the same woman got her sight back 40 minutes AFTER you prayed for her?

Which one is it, friend? Or was it a 3rd one --> that this "story" is/was a story? What does Isdlam call it- "Al-fatiyah" or what? In Christ? ?

I have used YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE to show you are spouting lies again. This is absolute tripe. [b]"I woke up and slept in Lagos yesterday BUT I also woke in hongkong and slept in Ireland yesterday"means I am a BIG liar. [/b]Make we hear word - God does greater than these things but these are lies you are telling.

Joagbaje:
What makes him a deceiver

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[/size]What makes him is

Joagbaje:
[b][size=3pt]Ephesians 4:14-15
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by[/size] [size=18pt][b]the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive[/size]; [size=3pt]But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ

The proof of growth; the proof that you've become a matured person is not in the size of your muscles; it's in how responsible you've become. Maturity is for responsibility. No parent will bring up their children just so they could become adults and say "That's it! We nurtured you to be twenty-five. Now that you're twenty-five that's all about life." No, the reason they grew you to become an adult is for you to take up responsibility.

This is something many in the Church need to realize. You are not just in Church to grow spiritually and then have a nice life; spiritual growth is for responsibility. You grow so you can function and serve in the House of God; so you can be a blessing to others. True spiritual men and women are those who understand and are conscious of the responsibility of service[/size]

Yet he dares to say -

[size=18pt]Refuse to be among those who delight in being served, rather than be the ones serving. Jesus made clear the preeminence the one who serves has over the one being served: "But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.(Mark 10:43-44)."[/size]

[size=3pt]Refuse to be idle in the house of God; be involved in service! Be known for your effectiveness in reaching out to others, as you win them to Christ; invite them to Church meetings and other programs in your local Church.

Remember, the ministry of reconciliation has been committed into your hands; therefore it's your responsibility to speak for Jesus and manifest the kingdom of God where you are. That's the purpose for Christian growth. You're being built up to function: "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,  (Ephesians 4:11-12)." Your growth is for service and responsibility in the house of God, never forget that.

Prayer
I acknowledge that the glorious Gospel of the blessed God has been committed unto my trust, and as a good steward, I faithfully dedicate myself to serving the Gospel of Christ's salvation to everyone in my world. I thank you heavenly Father, for counting me faithful and making me an effective minister of the Gospel, in Jesus' Name. Amen

Further Study
Luke 22:25-27
And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth[/size]

How can someone who is being served, who has become very wealthy because of other people's funds, who is enjoying the sweat of others, WRITE the above and ask OTHER people to refuse to be served? His own service is collecting! Yet others should not do same? 

Una try!