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Hehehe. Been here but down with a nasty fever so am real tired and preferred to just laugh. But in honor of my total love for you, Deep, I'll say I was pulling your boots.

Still, the particular scripture is basis for the faith of many. Once you discredit the authorship/source, you are basically saying the entire package is not trustworthy.

Now that is what we see in your posts. Question is this - assume I told you Mr Atolagbe wrote the book of John and Enigma told someone else it was Professor Ridwan. Tell me DeepSight, how does that change the contents which are inspirational in nature?

Pastors definitely need bodyguards because they are afraid life will catch up with them.

I will wait and see it but can tell you upfront that the problem with you is you are seemingly so scared that this has become a crusade to you - a crusade to wish away truth that has become a crusade to ridicule it or explain it away.

However and as evidenced by your comments at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-652247.0.html, something tells you that you are wrong. Which is alright to us since none of us lays claim to infallibility. None except you, of course

Chei, DeepSight has suffered here.

Off-point, un-objective, biased, out of context, displaying dilly dally and silly something too.

And all because he fears the Jewish Carpenter might be true too

TCD:
Sorry, just a quick question. What do U̶̲̥̅̊  mean by Jesus was "Rich" then became poor. What where D̶̲̥̅̊ riches spoken of therein? Are you saying that in heaven there exists aplenty dollars, pounds, yen? Gold,silver? Is it that they possess many designer clothes/accesories in heaven? Do they even wear clothes in heaven? Or maybe there is soooo much food hence D̶̲̥̅̊ riches but, do they eat in heaven?

Even if such where present in heaven, of what monetary/currency value is it right there in heaven for it to be qualified as "riches"?

Bear in mind that even if you give a truck load Of Gold to a bush man in whose society gold is ηọ̥t  recognised as something of value or currency, you have effectively in his mind given him worthless junk.

So please, can you clarify D̶̲̥̅̊ riches you spoke of Jesus having above. Thanks

Fantastic questions here and they will NOT be answered or if attempted, the answers will bear NO relation to the questions. I await the insults or self righteousness that will surely come. And am ready!

These questions in themselves alone prove that spiritual should be compared to spiritual rather than weeds in feed.

I would expect just praise and definitely not prayer from you. Whats the point of prayer if indeed non-interventionist? Praise for women, flowers, beauty!

Which makes me wonder - are you sure what you believe or is there a nagging feeling that God is more personal than you would wish?

There was an explicit statement from him read over and over that any Muslim who killed a non-Muslim living in their midst would never smell the Islamic Paradise. It was not given quick media coverage as media "preferred" to say he was complaining about the elections. More dramatic news and better ammunition against the "holy" one who dared to stand against the establishment.

Which makes me wonder - those lives lost; do we really feel them if we could keep such news preferring election complaints? I really wonder!

^^^

You people have won, haven't you? YOU HAVE WON!

So why is it you that is getting angry? Are there nagging fears that the opinions here chafe against or what exactly is the need for insults?

^^

Buhari is 68, not over 75. Awolowo was 74 when he contested in 1983.

Terrorist? Bring facts and not emotion please - we are all learning here.

There is no need to insult anyone for stating their conviction. That they do not agree with you is not reason for abuse.

@MyJoe:

Part One of the promises https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-648847.0.html#msg8150493

One issue where I agree 100% with you is his naivety and one-track mind. He has the political dexterity of a hungry baby calling for milk. My ereasoning is very complicated but maybe that is what we need among the sharks. I remember Nixon's "SILENT MAJORITY" speech where he went over the House and direct to the people. It sealed his fate later when they had something over him but gave him the opportunity to move America as he wanted to. I actually prayed for PDP to own the NASS under a Buhari presidency to strengthen yet weaken both institutions for the betterment of Nigeria. Maybe I'm wrong but each would have kept the other on their toes and gotten us the type of government to dream about.

On the current violence, as I type, he has made calls for peace and even disowned those fighting stating that they do not represent him. But except if he is to call a press conference (not too much of a sacrifice, I agree), it seems nobody wants to listen to the "expired Jihadist". Its gone viral on Facebook and the Internet yet government has all but ignored letting his "supporters" know his mind - I guess it provides a means to vote an extra-budgetary "security vote" for peace-keeping in those areas.

The presidents promises are not limited to power by any means. There is a list on a thread here and seeing the promises made at Port-Harcourt beside the Bauchi ones beside the Lagos ones beside the Kogi ones (you get my drift) only shows a plan to get re-elected. Totally funny list. And guess what - his supporters are already saying there are "demonic forces, winches and winzads" in the society out to stop him and if he doesn't fulfill the promises, na dem do am!

As an aside, please come back soon. Religion starts to scare me - people think I'm about Joagbaje when my problem is the ridiculous noisy clanging of empty barrels. Right now, there's a claim to have raised up someone who bled to death. Apparently, after she lost all her blood, she was woken up by him, then taken to a hospital where they replaced her blood. I'm still waiting for understanding of how her organs functioned during the interval when she was bloodless  Plus there's already at least 2 versions of how it happened.

You and Mad-max. Then I will regain my sanity there

Been awhile I saw you online, MyJoe!

Truth remains that a lot has and can be said of us all. I have a terrible situation in my life right now based on a careless statement I made 13 years back and which was misconstrued by people I expected to trust and hold my back. The damage that caused and continues to has helped me to look at issues from the individuals point of view.

GMB was indeed a tyrant in 1983. I wasn't that young then and remember clearly plus I had an inner circle understanding I cannot detail here. A 40 year old Major-Gen, GOC 82 Div - he gave a condition if he was to become HOS- total obedience and support. He was given it. He made laws; yes draconian; but what were the motives? He was NOT a lawyer or human rights activist! He was simply a man used to being obeyed and watching people rape, pillage and destroy what he loved. History did not support him as both military and civilians were the same prior to him so the press, the elite, the "everybody" gave him no chance. But he had made the laws and they were effectively FEDERAL LAW, binding on ALL Nigerians. I own my own business and at times give instructions that suddenly (even to me) seem stupid under particular circumstances. What do you do, MyJoe, when you have made a law and someone stands against it just because they are used to speaking against everything? Insisting makes you look hard-headed (Buhari) and backing down makes you look weak (Jonathan). Devil versus Deep Sea.

Someone on facebook told me he was among a group of 12 - 14 year olds who went protesting (with Tai Solarin) against armed soldiers in 1984. I asked him if he would send his 3 year old to his neighbor who had a particularly violent Doberman - no response yet and I believe that is what Tai Solarin did. There exists an officer corps and the "other ranks". The other ranks have been given instructions (which make them simply same as a guard dog) and you come against them yet you would have us believe the owner is wrong if there is violence? Why didn't you relax, wait, go yourself when the attack dog is locked up? If today, an armed man rushes into your apartment with gun drawn and asks you to lay down, are you telling me you'll riot or sing songs like Tai Solarin did? Yorubas say "Anger makes you draw a gun, but shame makes you use it". Buhari was angry and was no politician and had drawn his weapon. Methinks the daft person here is the one who dared him.

Yet, I make NO excuse for him. He had good intentions is all I know! Plus I understand the concept of collateral damage. And I know Nigeria changed for the better then so at least those people did not die TOTALLY in vain. Lets compare that to the October 1 bomb blast victims. Or to the corpers from last week.

I (and you) cannot prove GMB has saidd nothing about the riots and violence in the north. You only assume and it is instructive that NOT one riot has been reported in Katsina where he is from. The "powers that be" have muzzled him so effectively that he cannot help them. Please do not blame him for that.

On plans, I laugh - GEJ has stated plans that will require maybe 5 Trillion Dollars. And he has 4 years. Plus he has PDP around his neck to pay off and attempt to control (if he wants to do so). Is it promises you want or reality? He will NOT allow corruption - we know that. I think a lot will fall into place once JUST that is settled

@jensinmi:

please write to me at nlbomb@gmail.com. Driving so didn't copy the email address.

@moderattor:

Many of us who support Buhari are yoruba christians. Interestingly, whether Yoruba or Hausa, Christian or Muslim, NOBODY is known to have benefited wrongly from him being governor, minister, GOC, head of state or chairman, PTF. So its not about what we will gain.

Vote GEJ 200, 000, 000, 000 times - it is right for YOU because that is YOUR conviction. But you should not insult people (idi.ots as you call them) because they do not agree with you

on the phone now but when home later, I will add you

^^ What you just wrote gives me hope for Nigeria.

This man had so many opportunities for compromise - as governor, as GOC, as minister, as head of state and as PTF chairman. People keep saying he "TRUNCATED" democracy when he did not participate in the coup of 1983. Brig-Gen Bako who executed the coup was killed by the Brigade of Guards and the rest of the plotters had a problem with who to choose. Because he was the most trusted, they practically begged him to take the reins of power. MKO Abiola's official autobiography (can be found on the web) tells the story clearly.

But the man does not bother to deny because he knows the "powers that be" know the truth but only use these lies to try to discredit him.

He spends his hundreds of millions from his pension feeding and providing jobs for his people and living a very simple life in their midst. That is why they will die for him and call him the "leader of the masses". If his pocket can alleviate the burden of hundreds, what could Nigeria's pocket do? But we prefer Bode George keeping Billions or OBJ shooting his poor underpaid staff because they stole 2 eggs. And why? Because they are hungry in the midst of opulence.

You have your victory, Nigeria - but I never saw a loss as big as this called a victory before in my life. Educated people should try find out what the US dept of State symposium on these elections disclosed about the actors. Like Jensinmi - I pray I have the strength to live the same type of life.

@ekt_bear:

There are so many "rumors" about the demands of each side for the alliance. Looking at the personalities involved, I cannot but wonder what ACN wanted from him for him to decide it was better to lose the presidency than to capitulate. With his record, I personally think the demands may have seemed like an attempt to tie his hands. As it is, "rumors" already state that GEJ has given ACN the 30 Billion they spent on for their campaign with a 5 Billion "extra".

Many Nigerians believe Buhari has lost. Is that really true? His YEARLY pension used to be 250 Million but has now been increased (under Jonathan) to 2Billion a year. Do you still believe he has lost anything? I wonder why anyone would wish to pity Buhari with that income

I think it is Nigeria that lost

@Prince2k:

I think Jaaiztech is right. You just voted the establishment back into power as they are definitely more comfortable under GEJ.

And yes, they wanted GEJ to step down for a northerner BUT WHICH NORTHERNER? Buhari? Definitely NOT! They wanted one of their own - Atiku. And you must know that the results show some powerful people worked against GMB in this election even in the north as the "almagiri" mentality would never allow GEJ win against GMB in Nassarawa or do so well in Katsina against Buhari without "inside" help.

Martian:
One thing about the Chris guy, he is actually brilliant in a way.
What better name for a church in a place like Nigeria where damn near everyone is trying to get a visa to everywhere under the sun including North Korea ( I kid I Kid) than Christ Embassy.

Since the british embassy refused to give me a visa let me go check on the American embassy. Well, they refused me too!!! So did the Germans, Ductch, Austrians, Australians, South Africans,  Canadians and even the goddamned Mexicans!!!!
Check out that sign board of that guy in the impeccable white suit, he even has his own embassy!!! Christ Embassy, here I come. If i go to Christ Embassy, my visa to heaven will be stamped and Pastor Chris also says wealth will be mine and I'll be able to raise the dead and cast out demons (word to Joagbaje).
Hell, if I pay my offerings and tithes all the time and trust in chris' teaching, the Americans might even give me a visa or maybe the canadians BUT f_ck those mexicans though.

I need to go to Nigeria and start a church. Ill name it THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF GOD ( N.A.G)or THE HIGH CONSULATE OF JESUS CHRIST (The HCJC) . You know your church has to have a funky acronym. Ill be richer than Oyedepo in two years.
Im quite cute too, so I'll have a steady stream of gullible,god starved black women to pander to. FUN FUN FUN!!

Unfortunately, I have a report to write and I need to stop writing this sh_t on nairaland.

If any of you uses the name of my church, you better pay homage or else I'll hunt you down like Micuilles!!!!

My tummy hurts from laughter. This ought to be on Comedy Central

@manmustwac:

It could have happened as Jo said. I don't think EarsWide has issues with that but with the photo Jo took before helping him. On that too, it is possible Jo decided to take the photo simply to show there was a problem so people could not later say maybe he was responsible for the condition of the man.

funny - food is the same as blood ehn? But then, I never expected better so its okay

@Azibulua:

Sure it is easy for God to raise the dead and heal ANY health matter. BUT God will not heal you of death and leave you alive without blood - this is like putting the cart before the horse. What the Word of God says is "the life is in the blood". And so, without blood THERE IS NO LIFE. God does not change His Word!

I knew you would all come as I already stated and if you have an ounce of fairness, you'll see I have backed off Jo but this is ridiculous. You cannot say such things openly and expect everyone to keep quiet. When your defense starts to insult intelligence, you worsen your case.

NOBODY compelled Jo to start off on this boast-journey (sic). If he could light the fire, he ought be able to accept the heat.

I'm not a medical doctor but my understanding is that in cases of bleeding to death, what happens is that as the quantity of blood reduces in the system, organ failure commences due to the lack of supply of oxygen (which feeds the organs) until the heart itself fails at which time death occurs. In effect and if I am right (where is Aletheia??), before death from bleeding, the liver and kidneys and indeed other organs would have failed BECAUSE THEY HAD NO BLOOD TO FUNCTION!

In this case, you say she came back to life which means those organs were functioning (or was she in limbo?)! So tell us (I know your answer will be blindness to these questions AND/OR to release the 1st mechanised idio-tic Brigade of NL ):--> what were those organs running on till they got to hospital? What blood was the heart pumping until they got her to hospital? Do you know what blood does in the body?

This is a ludicrous story. If anything happened, the person was injured and taken to a hospital for treatment. But you heard about the injury and prayed for her. Which is fine and laudable. However, your desire for glory made you start adding to the matter till you got to this logical disgraceful end where your stories do not add up.

Pitiful. And expected of a CE pastor!

@Jo:

The poster above beat me to it. Those are YOUR own words. Now twist yourself out again. I'm sure you will say the hospital later rejected her when they saw the bleeding was too much so they took her home to die cos they had no petrol in their car to go to LUTH.

Have you seen now why I say "truth hurts less over time"? Sentiments and the stupid belief that you can help God look better by lying or helping Him ALWAYS end in your disgrace and a wrong perception of God by outsiders.

Soon, you will be given another name - I suggest "J-Deceit"

1. The girl "died"
2. They wanted to take her to MORTUARY but wanted the brother to come first
3. When informed he came running to Jo
4. The brother laid his hands on his sister on Jo's instruction
5. She got HEALED
6. After she got healed, they took her to hospital where Jo met her

BUT Jo had earlier said she bled to death in the hospital. Which means after she died in a hospital, they took the body home to wait for the brother before taking her back to the hospital AFTER she was HEALED. Why do you take a healed person to hospital? To get a drip! Wow, healed healthy people need drips - maybe thats why I get tired at times. I should be getting top-up drips. Where is Aletheia for my first top-up? But Jo has now AGAIN said she bled to death at home.

Or well, maybe they were just confused sha and she died at home for NL but died on the operating table for those who just want to applaud "miracles".

Funny story. And of course as usual - unverifiable.

This is turning out very nicely and will truly help Jo clear the air. He has now told us there was a hospital and just as Kunle asks, I think the best is to give us the name of the patient and the name of the hospital with the time frame involved.

That will help clear the air. May we have the information please or is it only a phone number of a faceless brother that we must hold on to?

Aside that, one small problem --> I thought you said you were not near the girl and used her brother as it were, as a proxy? Which is why some "doubting thomases" (no pun intended) were asking if you bluetoothed the miracle or something. Yet above here, you say you met her in the hospital and led her to Christ?

Which is it & how do you reconcile giving different testimonies about the same thing whist requiring people believe and trust you?

What Image has suggested above and his reasons do make sense.

I think the problem most have with it however is that they have already judged Jo (rightly in my estimation) to be fraudulent. The lies and deceit of the past remain an albatross around his neck and a truly decent person would keep quiet and rebuild the conception about him with consistency of truth and humility in the true spirit of Christ for awhile.

Sadly, our man Friday does the exact opposite and is as abrasive with his vacuous boasts as sharp sandpaper used as a kerchief.

Nollywood drama --->

1. The girl had given all her money to CE and so was hungry without any way of getting nourishment
2. Since lying is an official policy in CE, she faked a "faint" to get some sympathy. Faking is not wrong (in CE) cos she's not a sinner anyway
3. The miracle Jo sent her was a tin of milk and 2 packets of biscuits.
4. Once she got that, she got up
5. CE marketing dept decided that was good enough for a testimony
6. Hunger became a demon, fake "faint" became "death", milk became a miracle and pastor chris was glorified

One particularly dull scion of a cement bench said EarsWide sounds like me.  Very true - you know why? He said the truth.

You DO NOT BOAST UNLESS YOU CAN BACK UP YOUR WORDS. But unsubstantiated unverified claims are the only things you do

GenBuhari:

Great, absolutely GREAT! The maturity and sacrifices everyone seems ready to make for BB is just inspiring. Kudos to all and God bless

Buhari for President.

@Pataki:

Please allow him express himself as he wishes. Some people are naturally calm and others are fiery. what matters is the spirit behind his actions and we know he wants the best thing that could happen.

Division should NOT come from within - we will face enough from without.

Buhari 4 President

^^^ Why are you asking him? Can you not smell the fear? Is it not obvious they are afraid? Buhari is showing Nigeria that truth does do better in the long run and that integrity is remembered when the chips are down.

Buhari WILL be sworn in as Nigeria's President in 2011

Buhari has revolutionized Nigeria and Nigerian's way of thinking. The level of vitriol massed against him should have made hm buckle yet he goes from strength to strength. My prayer is that He wins this election as it is patently obvious this country will climb to great heights under hands such as his.

Actually, what I meant by "rap of errors" is "theology of self", not ROR solely though that is a poster child for error all by itself