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^^ What Bible?

Dude gets all his "understanding" from the "rap of errors"

@Mr Iluyomade:

Your analysis shows Nigeria still has people that can provide her a fighting chance of getting to the top. Many will not agree with you due to religion and tribe without realizing they are part of the problem but no true patriot will not agree with your submission.

Thumbs up

efisher:
Goodluck Jonathan is a symbol of Unity. Goodluck Jonathan symbolizes victory for democracy. Goodluck Jonathan is the change we need.

Change from what?

From Jonathan Goodluck to Goodluck Jonathan or what exactly?

Just say you like him and the status quo. But he definitely does not represent change

^^

It is obvious that the supporters here are those who collect. You will notice it is only the "ideas"that bring money into select pockets that they sell. Holiness, truth, contentment etc are never found in their fights and in their "gospel".

These are those whom the Word says see the Gospel as a means to self-gain. They are false teachers to be wary of

Burnt offering also preceded the Mosaic law. It even preceded Abram. When last did you CEC "tithe-mongers" wave 2 lambs above your head?

You people are patently dishonest and it is obvious tithe is why you are becoming "pastors", not a love for people or a calling from God.

You mock truth openly using scripture like a lawyer defending a confirmed criminal; twisting, insisting on literal translations when it suits you then turning back and saying "the letter killeth" when that suits you. How can you NOT fear God? You say you see miracles and know the power of God yet you show Him no honor or fear.

No wonder you too are becoming a mockery more and more daily.

@419guy:

How now? Yes O, I'm in rehab - Jesus is rehabilitating me, As you know, I've been adopted into Christ's Kingdom.

Meanwhile, how far with your own muguns? Have you collected the 239 Billion Dollars now? "pastor" must be rubbing his hands gleefully and drooling sputum upwards into his jeri'curls waiting for his own share of the loot.

Say hi to them in Panti CID and/or Kirikiri when they pick you up

^^ Chairman:

E be like say you like Beer and Strong Drink well well o.

But your theology is quite sound.

^^ Dude, you are about as sharp as a ceremonial sword - it is you that I should give my donation to Japan?

Or like your fathers, the Pharisees, I ought come online to self-righteously let everyone know I did something for them? whatever happened to God's Word that our left hand should not know what the right is doing?

You are absolutely amazing in your hypocrisy

^^

Very funny. This dude is in denial.

^^ The post above should be awarded most vacuous post in NairaLand history.

Someone says 1. Tithing is not a law 2. The presentation in th scriptures differs from its presentation today which means it has been manipulated. 3. Give a tithe WILLINGLY and its ok.

Where is the contradiction in that? Are you so slow (your own is past slow - you've stopped) that you cannot read and understand? And like your commanders here, you too have entered "christianly speech". Jesus called people like you a generation of vipers - is that christianly enough for you? Obviously, you also are one of the lazy people who see Christianity as a means to gain and thus will defend error at any cost.

You are a Shining coffin with 4 dead corpses inside, a hypocrite, a spiritual descendant of Pharisees, ole ajibole. Now tell me the person who I copy in naming you was not a good example.

@St Lionel:

Pray tell me, Man of WHAT are you or your family or friends? God or satan?

Holy "Opa Eyin". Wonderment!

is that what Jesus came for?

^^^ yes O.

"right of support for lazy people who refuse to be followers of Paul by NOT working."

Funny thread. The dude is oyakilome's spiritual father so we know why he's supported like this even with talking wristbands and soccer prophecies.

Soon, there will be neck chains that decide when you will eat Eba or avoid it for Rice 

God's Day approaches

one day na one day
a sinner man go find himself for hellfire
and he no go fit repent for him sins again

^^^ @Kunle:

I sincerely apologize for that statement. It was made because I cursorily looked at the English language construct of the dude and the manner he presented his case. Subsequent events have shown he was just xeroxing what he heard someplace and is regrettably, not sharp enough to know when to stop and bow out. That is one reason why I really like Joagbaje - when he sees he is out-matched, he calls in the 1st "idiotic" Brigade to come scatter the thread to hide his shame and discomfort. SHARP GUY!!! I will gladly shake his hand before slapping him when I meet him. This snowwy guy? He don mend!

He would have comprehended but pride and myopia have combined to create in him a poor replica of a thinking computer - garbage went in, garbage is coming out!

So much prancing and wriggling and dancing and twisting just to sell self-evident lies and contradictions.

"Spiritual intent" Ehn? Yeah right - God's Intent is to have todays pastors reign over the financial world while the sheep they shepherd go hungry and wretched, Ehn? And this without the pastors working - all they need is be called MOG, collect as much from their congregations as possible and build schools the congregation can't afford whistle sending their own kids (children of goats) to even more expensive schools abroad, acquire cars the congregation marvels at and generally live the good life financed by the poor that Jesus sent them to.

ANYONE who says tithing is a LAW is a mugu or thief. Such is either gaining from it or is deluded. They are under a curse of manipulating God's Word or are being fooled by those they trust.

But if you decide at any time or at all times for that matter, to give a percentage of your money to church or poor or pastor, you have done well.

That is a valid means of supporting those who work in the ministry.

It is not valid to lie or twist scripture to get money because you are in ministry - would Jesus lie to get His Way?

^^^ I think the context and understanding DeepSight etc are using differ from yours and Viaros'. Moral, human and societal acceptability standards seem to be their own basis rather than spiritually and if the case, they are right.

However, and as YOU HAVE SAID, the best of mankind is not good enough FOR the Spirit.

^^ Did he really? Haven't seen the thread and going out now so can't look but if he did, that would be strange.

Some of the most kindly morally upright people I ever met believe in nothing. And some of the worst, most amoral characters in mankind's history were theists.

@Blacksta:


Thank you and God bless you! Great valid question there!

Why do the supposed MOGs choose the "law" that brings cash into THEIR ministries alone? Why is it the money cometh "laws" which offer only earthly rewards that the congregations choose and dwell upon non-stop? Why not choose the ones they cannot gain from like "burnt offerings" or "giving to the needy"?

Why do they show up, paste this "poison" then jump to say "you're insulting and uncivil" when challenged? Why do I have the nerve, the temerity to challenge ANY HUMAN on this issue but the leaders, the big men, the supposed MOGs (an aberration when you remember ALL Christians are Royal Priests of equal standing [but different calling] before God) cannot show their faces - they have to send junior unimportant pastors and floor members to defend their lies all in the name of doing God's Work? Why? What are they afraid of when we are the ones who know nothing but can bring scripture to bear on the issues at hand?

If you decide PERSONALLY to give 10%, 25% or even 100% of your income to your Church or a ministry, FINE! But any man selling percentages as God's Command is a thief and hypocrite except if burnt offerings are part of his ministry

Did your Nanny tie your nappy too tight or what is all this whining and wailing about?

Now it becomes even more childish and personal. Logic? Fine - pleased keep being illogical or use what I thought was intellect and negate the following.

EVERY CHRISTIAN IS A PRIEST

PRIESTS DO NOT PAY TITHES ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE

ERGO, ANYONE ASKING PRIESTS TO PAY TITHES IS GAINING FROM IT OR SELLING AN ALTERNATIVE GOSPEL

BURNT OFFERINGS STARTED WITH CAIN AND ABEL (BEFORE ABRAHAM PAID HIS ONE TITHE)

BURNT OFFERINGS WERE ALSO REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW JUST AS TITHES

THEREFORE, BURNT OFFERINGS HAVE THE EXACT SAME STATUS AS TITHES

JESUS CHRIST NAILED BURNT OFFERINGS (AND THEREFORE TITHES) TO THE CROSS!

YOU HAVE "CANCELED" BURNT OFFERING. WHY ARE YOU THEN SELLING TITHES?

Negate any of the points above or go get someone to change your diapers!

^ Yep, run away. We see all of you run away daily and that is why your leaders cannot face society but avoid interviews and real people.

But the truth is --

EVERY CHRISTIAN IS A PRIEST

PRIESTS DO NOT PAY TITHES ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE

ERGO, ANYONE ASKING PRIESTS TO PAY TITHES IS GAINING FROM IT OR SELLING AN ALTERNATIVE GOSPEL

BURNT OFFERINGS STARTED WITH CAIN AND ABEL (BEFORE ABRAHAM PAID HIS ONE TITHE)

BURNT OFFERINGS WERE ALSO REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW JUST AS TITHES

THEREFORE, BURNT OFFERINGS HAVE THE EXACT SAME STATUS AS TITHES

JESUS CHRIST NAILED BURNT OFFERINGS (AND THEREFORE TITHES) TO THE CROSS!

YOU HAVE "CANCELED" BURNT OFFERING. WHY ARE YOU THEN SELLING TITHES?

TRUTH CANNOT BE HIDDEN AND IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY THAT YOU RUN. CLOSE THE DOOR BEHIND YOU!

Your curse theses, by the way, is more than funny. It is a misplaced inane attempt to create white-space. Fits, etc are childish - face the issue.

^^ Dude, you are arguing my point for me!

Christians ARE a Royal Priesthood, a Holy Nation dedicated to God. Christians, NOT unbelievers. And Christians ARE people who have stepped into it simply by being Christians. So what are you talking about? Who said unbelievers are a royal priesthood?

Now, IF the Bible is true and ALL Christians are Priests, then my point is made! Please show us then where Priests paid other Priests a tithe? But that is not in the Bible, is it? So suddenly, your argument falls short EXCEPT if you now insist (against the Bible) that only pastors are "priests" when the Bible is clear - All Believers are Priests and ONLY Jesus is Higher - He is the HIGH Priest!

Or are you saying that Priests (ALL Christians) are supposed to collect tithes from those who are NOT priests (Christians). If so, then what I guess you are about is that Joagbaje and pastor chris have a right to collect tithes from their congregations because they are Christians (doubtful) whist the congregation is made up of non-priests (Christians)?

Is that your argument? Smell the bacon, friend - truth is come to stay on NairaLand now!

Tayo-D:
@pilgrim1,
Yeah, the guy omitted [size=18pt]HIV[/size].

And MOG

Snowwy:
1. Could you explain how I am using 'my intelligence wrongly' first? You need to make factual statements. All I did was emphasize the word, how is that 'my intelligence'

2. The old priesthood ended as you said but how did it affect 'tithe and offerings'? I sincerely wonder why you have nothing against offerings as it was in the mosaic era too. Just as tithes predate the mosaic law (Abraham's and Jacob's), offerings too predate the mosaic law (Cain and Abel's offering to God to thank Him for their yield). Both gave 'freely', yet God honoured Abel's only. Why? reason is not far fetched. So if you want to give, do it with thanks and by faith. Simple.

3. Yes [size=18pt]we are all priests if we step into that position[/size] and Christ is the High Priest.
In the time of Moses, only the Levites could serve at the altar as priests, now we all have a right to the priestly office. May be that is why we see a lot of people who call themselves in that light. That is my conviction of us being a royal priesthood and what Paul meant when he called us priests with Christ. He also spoke about giving honour to whom honour was due, giving double honour to those who labour well in Christ vineyard, his being a spiritual father to Timothy etc. There is equality of course, but spiritual growth is also necessary.

@Snowwy:

Thank you for proving my point about deliberate wrong usage of intellect! The Bible says believers are (already) a Royal Priesthood BUT YOU SAY "that is IF" we step into it. Where do you find that or is that again your own intellect? That your statement ADDS to Gods' Word and comes with a curse. That is a FACTUAL statement! The Bible says "A Royal Priesthood", not "will be a Royal priesthood if we all step into it and become pastors" - the Word is even clear about people having varying roles to fulfill so all cannot be pastors or prophets or evangelists. Some MUST be care-providers/etc and once they do that, they have fulfilled their God-given roles.

Secondly, you speak of tithes predating the Mosaic LAW. Na wa O - this dead and buried argument again? Okay, answer this - Abrahams' Tithe, as an example - was it a LAW? Jacobs promise to give a tenth - was it a LAW? So how did they become LAWS before the Mosaic Law since they were NOT laws but personal decisions? Can you show where God asked for these or show two instances of either Abraham paying it or Jacob paying it? Which would suppose that if we are following Abraham, we'd pay tithe ONCE ONLY and NOT from our income but from warfare and if we are following Jacob, we'll promise that if God makes us Billionaires (or whatever else we want), we'll give Him a tenth. But can you even show Jacob paying even the one he promised? Yet you deliberately avoid full disclosure and sneak these in as though they were laws - that is wrong intellect usuage and is why Jesus wads angry at those who turned truth on its head. But lets worsen your case for you.

CAIN and ABEL gave burnt offerings BEFORE the law. UNDER the law, God ordered for burnt offerings also. THEREFORE, burnt offerings have the same Biblical power/history/backing that you claim tithes have. So when last did you offer a burnt offering? Can we come see your altar? WHY is it only the one that puts money in some pockets and offers "hope" and an alternative gospel to others, that your supposed MOGs insist is backed by scripture?

We have gotten (hopefully) to a point where we seek truth and not just to win arguments by hook or crook. Meet people in other sections to try your intellect out - here, it should be humility and a search for truth, not a childish desire to win by hook or crook.

@Snowwy:

Nice to see an intelligent discussant on the other side for a change. Most of them especially the "GBAMs" show little if any brains and are only about cash.

But you are using your intelligence wrongly. The point remains that you cannot select only tithes from the Mosaic law and neglect all other matters.

You have said above that the priests did not work and so the law could not have come about to them. Who's arguing about whether they worked or not? Point is - this was a mosaic law which ended when the old priesthood was abolished. Another way to look at it is EVERY CHRISTIAN IS NOW A PRIEST AND JESUS SAID NONE IS HIGHER. IF you believe Jesus is truthful, then please show us Biblically how a PRIEST is supposed to pay tithe to another priest.

This is not rocket science or aeronautics

Would be nice. Nigeria has had enough of corruption

Judge Jo, you mean you have a right to judge that nuke the non-christian (as you once judged) and another time the baby christian (as your godship latedr judged again) is the one? If you do so, I will feel insulted since you are renowned for lying.

So - thank you, NO.

My own is - what gives you right to judge but stops others from same? Hypocrisy, dude, that is what!

Joagbaje:
Wetu is wiser than you dude, he is a mature  discussant . I think you should learn from him. We agreed on many points.

^^ Am I arguing with "Wetu"? Fine, I agree he is wiser than me. But you are what Christ called a hypocrite - you ask me not to judge[size=14pt] yet you decide[/size] who is wiser and who is mature.

What faculty did you use to decide and why do you ask that same not be applied to you. You keep proving your carnality and baseness of mind.

Please keep talking - you will contradict yourself soon again. 

BTW, have you started creating the accounts you will use to vote for yourself this year? December is approaching, PASTOR Jo and pastor chris will not be happy if you do not win!

^^ Yes, its only the deceived AND liars/thieves that keep circulating deception and you are amongst them. All that any sensible human being needs to do is to ask himself why "pastors" like you insist that tithing is the way to prosperity YET none of you can point to 1 single tither amongst the 500 richest people on earth.

Why are non-tithers the wealthiest men in the world if you are telling the truth?

See, its so easy to see who it is that is the deceived and the liars and who is telling the truth.

People who wish to prosper plan, work, follow sound rules of fiscal judgment and leave the rest to God. People "bribing" God are liars who follow Him only for personal gain. They are like the crowd who welcomed Jesus as King to Jerusalem when they thought He came to establish an earthly kingdom and save them from the Romans BUT who howled for His death 3 days later when He didn't do what they wanted.

You people just want to kill Joagbaje totally.