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@SirJohn:

Why waste your time? Do you really think your audience wants truth? This particular guy's ignorance should be measured on the Richter scale just like Japan's earthquake was! 9.1 on the Richter scale! But it is good we discuss like this. A lot of claims are dispelled.

The truth is that these conversations say a great deal to all readers. You ask people simple questions and suddenly they become deaf, dumb and blind. They refuse to answer and when they do they respond to everything except what you asked. Or they gang up and "scatter" the thread so that issues are obfuscated. Then they paste long daft epistles. Finally, they go self-righteous pointing out your anger and quoting scripture out of place in an attempt to make you look bad.

What is evident in all this is simple - they have seen the truth and refuse to acknowledge it. That is simply because of Pride or Fear or Misplaced trust in man. Which of these is supposed to be a virtue? Only during the Roman Empire were pride, wickedness and betrayal considered to be manly by the most wicked humans ever and the bible calls that empire the 4th terrible beast the type of which never was and never will be again. Yet here are "Christians" glorifying the worst of humanity and doing worse. Even beasts have honor and will kill only in self-defense or for survival. Here are humans wicked for the sake of what is transient.

I have never hidden those who I find to be as it were, role models here. They are people who simply state truth as it is - God bless you, TV01, wherever you are! Aletheia, Viaro, e36991, Enigma, KunleOshob, Eyzshvntsn, Jesoul, Toluxa1, David the Man of War, Noetic etc. Such as Sirjohn, Frosbel, Olaadegbu, yommyuk etc are on my list YET these people will argue against each-other/me if they see error. Which is the truth in their lives - they seek truth and not people or funds. Loveking (with his signature and site  ) shows himself a fan of the truth. Such was spoken of - "A man without guile". Crazy ( ) but honest!

But your audience? They seek man's blessing rather than God's.

And the world is watching

^^^ Abeg O

Nuclearboy is "boy" to those who tell the truth & NOT a Fellow to them OR Lord like them

Even Jo knows that truth & has said as much. Why are you and Inesqor (and Aletheia) joining the Archangel Viaro in avoiding NL? When truth is quiet, error screams

nuclearboy:
@Gombs:

[size=2pt]Wonderful - you copied this thesis just for me?  

Follow this sequence

PART ONE
1. Pastor chris shows miracles on tv
2. Nigeria says All aired miracles will now be verified
3. Pastor chris stops showing miracles.
4. WHY?

PART TWO

1. I ask Why on "NairaLand"
2. CEC members say any and all miracles were banned
3. I say no, government only said they will verify ANY SHOWN ONES
4. Jo says I am wrong (because he heard so from someone, I guess)
5. Azibulua jumps in to say I am not informed and mediocre
6. I showthat I am informed and right and that they were the wrong ones i.e. they LIED to support their pastor
7. I now say they exhibit wrong fruit and that the said fruit shows what kind of tree pastor chris is
8. I ask you to comment on Pastor Jo lying and Azibulua talking without knowledge because the Bible says be slow to speak

PART THREE

1. You say you could make no sense of what I wrote. Truth made NO sense to you
2. Then you copy a portion of the case 2 CE members brought against the NBC
3. But your essay has no bearing on what I asked and thus MAKES NO SENSE. IT IS ACTUALLY DAFT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING OF WHETHER NBC WAS RIGHT OR NOT. Rather, we are asking why the miracles suddenly disappeared when government said they will verify them.

Or would you say this essay you copied was a reply to my question about why baba chris ran away and why JO & Azibulua lied and if that is Christian behavior?

Joagbaje and Azibulua LIED openly. Is that Christian fruit? But see where you went to - you're trying to weigh a ton of fire, to smell the color of a shirt. I ask what is your name and instead of saying "Gombs", you start singing "We are the World". Am I sensible to spend time debating with such a person?[/size]

Dude, keep enjoying your ignorance - it offers you bliss

@e36991:

MASTER!!!!!!    You are back on NL? ?

@LoveKing:

You have mail.

[size=18pt]1998[/size] or 2008?

@Gombs:

Wonderful - you copied this thesis just for me?

Follow this sequence

PART ONE
1. Pastor chris shows miracles on tv
2. Nigeria says All aired miracles will now be verified
3. Pastor chris stops showing miracles.
4. WHY?

PART TWO

1. I ask Why on "NairaLand"
2. CEC members say any and all miracles were banned
3. I say no, government only said they will verify ANY SHOWN ONES
4. Jo says I am wrong (because he heard so from someone, I guess)
5. Azibulua jumps in to say I am not informed and mediocre
6. I showthat I am informed and right and that they were the wrong ones i.e. they LIED to support their pastor
7. I now say they exhibit wrong fruit and that the said fruit shows what kind of tree pastor chris is
8. I ask you to comment on Pastor Jo lying and Azibulua talking without knowledge because the Bible says be slow to speak

PART THREE

1. You say you could make no sense of what I wrote. Truth made NO sense to you
2. Then you copy a portion of the case 2 CE members brought against the NBC
3. But your essay has no bearing on what I asked and thus MAKES NO SENSE. IT IS ACTUALLY DAFT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING OF WHETHER NBC WAS RIGHT OR NOT. Rather, we are asking why the miracles suddenly disappeared when government said they will verify them.

Or would you say this essay you copied was a reply to my question about why baba chris ran away and why JO & Azibulua lied and if that is Christian behavior?

Joagbaje and Azibulua LIED openly. Is that Christian fruit? But see where you went to - you're trying to weigh a ton of fire, to smell the color of a shirt. I ask what is your name and instead of saying "Gombs", you start singing "We are the World". Am I sensible to spend time debating with such a person?

Dude, keep enjoying your ignorance - it offers you bliss

^^

You sincerely want to be taken seriously and not seen as a blind follower of a blind fake guide?

Fine, that is great - then handle post #101 above. Let us see what you feel about people lying and claiming right/injury when called liars.

You will prove or disprove yourself with that.

Then we will speak about why such lies are fruit of CE and why such fruit are not of Christ! We will also then explain that crowds (Michael Jackson had greater) are not a sign of right. And Reverend King also said he was right so claims too mean nothing!

Good luck

PS: Evasion is an insult. Pretending not to see or understand only makes you look the same as pointed out above.

@Gombs:

"SACRED"means nervousness? Na im be say SALVATION means naira and kobo No wonder you're confused!

Gombs:
there's no point being crude and obnoxious for no cogent reason(s).i simply asked you to outline your problems with pastor chris or christ embassy as the case may be,(i was just being civilized), but your reply shows and sums up your mental capability, does the words 'sacred' or 'dumbfounded'  mean anything insulting?, dumbfounded means to astonish greatly,[size=18pt]while sacred means nervousness in,or fright[/size]. . .You need not act the way you did, . . Hey,we were discussing.that's civilization.insults is just the other way around.

The high-lighted/bolded is especially brilliant and your post shows why it is particularly you that I should take serious. Dude, you are the LAST person to talk about mental capability - you are rude, half-literate, ignorant and proud! But I digress and waste time talking to "scenery".

@LoveKing:

please what is your email address? I hope you don't mind.

@SirJohn:

Chei! Why you tell am now? Methinks it is time to let all these people who come making noise of education, wealth, position etc show their true nature to the world. I was really enjoying the dudes grammar and pride

@Joagbaje:

The abuses, fighting and what you call "like political debate" comes ONLY because of deliberate falsehood. Stop spreading falsehood arrogantly! When someone tells a lie and wants to force it down other people's throats, they get insulted and retaliate. Consider the issue at hand. You have said something  - that ALL miracles were canceled. "Azibulua" quickly "stupidly" jumped in to snidely insult me by saying I was NOT informed and thus, am mediocre. YET THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU LIED!  Or maybe you just didn't know but trusted a friend or your pastor who lied to you and so you too kept on with that lie. Which would make you innocent but still a liar! So she too was wrong and a liar. Who is NOT informed now? Who is mediocre? Yet you insist ON FALSEHOOD!

The truth of the matter is -

Programmes showing miracles have disappeared from screens in compliance with an edict from the Nigeria's National Broadcasting Commission, which took effect from the beginning of May.

The NBC, the body which regulates broadcasting, says some of the miracles shown on television are false and [size=18pt]stations can broadcast miracles only when they are verifiable[/size].

The above is from the BBC website at  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3784659.stm

I would have searched for the NBC direct link (their website is http://www.nbc.gov.ng and you can write them there to clarify through - Awwalu Salihu,
Head, Public Affairs +234 9 7805730 Email : masalihu@nbc.gov.ng) but I doubt you will say the BBC is lying above. If you want the direct link, its a simple search or a short letter to the above address.

I once earlier defined this same thing on NL - if you tell a falsehood, you insult everyone you say it to because you are effectively saying they are not intelligent enough to know the truth and so must swallow your lie. But if I know/find out and then say "you're a liar", you see that as an insult! Does that make sense? We claim Christ - what would He do? Or say? Would He take anything Peter said and start arguing with it against everyone?

Don't assume you know always - that was what caused issues with the PARABLE of Lazarus and the Rich man. That is what caused this post about what NBC said! And it is why many so called MOGs don't like being questioned - cause they are false/ignorant yet claim special status

^^^

@Jo:

Honesty is a PLUS - NBC NEVER said no miracles. What they said was unsubstantiated miracles.

Btw, I know you are not Gombs. I was teasing you using an unusual language construct (what I meant was "na your work be this question?) because the "Legion" comes out to defend you by scattering the issue to the point where everything is derailed. Unfortunately, the impression given is as if you are telling them to help you scatter everything so you don't have to answer "uncomfortable" questions. It has happened a few times recently and you should go back and read "when did the Apostles become born-again" - if it was a legal battle, una don win but being what it is, it only showed that it was a deliberate effort by a group of people to obfuscate matters and create white space. Poor theology cannot be hidden by noise. The pharisees found that out long ago.

They don't help you when they do it. Even if you are innocent (which I suspect many times), it looks like they are afraid you will be swamped and so come to scatter everything. What does that say about their trust in you? Knowing that people back home read many of these threads, I wonder if that impression pleases you. Sincerely though, it would be nice if you found intelligent people to help you. I can bet my nose what I will find anytime 4 of your people here post. Its as if you do an IQ test and choose the lowest. I was dazed when the two "rich" eddiots boasted about riding Okadas daily  - so revealing, wasn't that?   And then one boasted (they love boasting forgetting a man is not the sum of his stomach or lusts) about using an IPhone. Very plebian - na everything dey scatter poor persin head

@Frosbel:

I think what you wanted to say was "In the minds of covetous people, riches always pertains to money"

@Jo:

Can you name ONE person on NL who has EVER condemned prosperity? Just ONE, please!

What is the purpose of these lies? Just yesterday, I wrote that many of your perceived "opponents" here are multi-millionaires.

What people complain about is the difference between the lives of Jesus and His Apostles and that of the WOF/Prosperity "Pimps".

I work! 95% of my income is MY SWEAT. I deserve to eat what I worked for.

The Bible says the one who does not work ought not eat. And we all know the jobs of the Apostles (at least some of them) which were secular. What does your pastor do? What do the prosperity "pimps" do? They preach and when they preach, they preach what you call "principles" BUT which were NOT reflected in the lives of those who you follow.

Is the servant greater than the Master? You say Paul made a choice just like he did not marry. Did he also make the choice to have an affliction in his flesh? Was he the one who chose to have the serpent bite him or to be locked in Jail. Why did everyone we see in the NT decide to make that same choice Paul made? Why is it ONLY you that decides the Apostles choice is not good enough for you? Was it also Peter who chose to NOT collect tithes and build a giant church or was he following what he saw lived through Jesus in his presence? Did Peter not see anywhere he was as Church? If he had changed what Jesus did, would people have followed him as they did? Would the power of God have manifested as it did? Which is what everyone is asking but you always dodge - WHY IS YOUR OWN THEOLOGY DIFFERENT FROM CHRISTS OWN? WHY IS IT DIFFERENT FROM THE APOSTLES? Yet you say they are your models! Paul spoke of "Riches in Glory" - did he mean Naira and Kobo?

Who is being fooled?

^^^

Yes, I am "SACRED" of you, I am usually "SACRED" of dolts, half-educated numbskulls and social misfits with chips on their shoulders and delusions of grandeur.

Why not return to high school for a refresher course in english rather than showing the emptiness between your ears online?

Joagbaje:


Please are you Gombs? There is reason for my question & I speak to you only in this

@Joagbaje:

2 things!

1. NBC never said anybody show not show miracles. What they said was that they would verify any such claims. Since that day, your pastor chris disappeared from miracle shows in Nigeria and up till today, any miracles shown are not under NBC jurisdiction. Yet you say NBC verified his miracles. Why are you lying to yourself? Why did he run away if they verified his miracles?

2.You didn't answer my question. You just evaded it totally and answered what nobody asked you - read above again.

Just a poser - do you believe God is true and EVERYMAN is a liar? E V E R Y M A N ? ?

@Chukwudi:

Is this about the Catholic Church or about the truth for you? Consider what Olaadegbu posted above and leave your flesh and your reverend father

@Petres &Obowunmi:

Please do not discourage them. Allow them boast - soon someone or other will disclose the truth unknowingly while boasting - na their way.

"I felt it" reminds me of the Morris Cerullo issue. Sadly, they will later say the boy did not "retain" his healing!

^^^

Why don't you pick a mirror and look in it, woman? You DARE say I always speak about money? Are you not the one who calls everybody 'poor' and sees life only as Naira and Kobo? Is it not you that knows who is poor and will remain so? Is it not you that sees cars in churches and goes around looking at the homes of the "big boys" in town? Are you not the one who is so stuck up on money, money, money that it is the reason why you go to church and come here to defend every scam that is giving Christianity a bad name? Is it not only when attempts are made to temper down the greed in Christendom today and correct false impressions given by those who would use the Gospel for private gain that your hackles rise and you appear barking like a deranged canine?

Yet you offer such a base lie openly? 

Pleaseeeeezz!! Go away - you are irrelevant anyway.

@Jo:

You say the majority that "believe" receive? Yet you haven't confirmed one independently since the days of SirJohn's thread. Not EVEN one! Just claims and a desire that everyone believes you.

When you say healing is to draw men to God for salvation, I want to believe you are joking? Are you then finally admitting that it is because of what you can get that you are serving God? Because you are basically saying you use the promise of healing to "lure" people to come. Do you realize what you just posted again? Please clarify so I can show you the error in this and if you will, let us know if this is the position of your pastor.

And now because there is nothing to say, it has become an appeal to give God a "chance" first? Even before going to hospital.

Na wa O - people should just come, at all costs, whether necessary or not, whether applicable or not. The crusades should just be full so crowds can be shown on TV/satellite and whist the innocent people are waiting for the miracle that MAY or MAY NOT come (since its their faith), they should loosen their purse strings. That one does NOT require faith. Just drop the money, thank you. And if you die because you delayed getting medical care, its your faith that was not strong enough.

I definitely know this is not of the God of the Bible.

True - the Holy Spirit is NOT flesh and Mary was. But as I said, Jesus is DEFINED BY THE BIBLE (not me) AS The SON OF GOD. He is not defined as the son of Mary by the Bible. We need to "interpret" that ourselves because the Bible "omitted" that. The only definitions we see for his parentage were from ignorant people who referred to Him as "son of the carpenter". Even them did not see Him as son of Mary. Yet even these were wrong and we are no better if today, we associate the Living Jesus as son of a human. That is the mystery of His Existence - THAT coming through Mary provided Him the duality of nature you have alluded to, but that the Jesus who walked the earth at a point dropped His humanity.

Until that time, He refused worship and even said not to call Him "good" because only God is good. At that time, He became something else.

This is so easy to solve - ask yourself - what is the difference between the Jesus that walked the earth and the one we worship today?

The answer to that will tell you why Mary is NOT Mother of "God". And that is what the OP was trying to point out or show here - any such claims by any "apparitions" deny the truth.

PS:

Moses Died and no man knows what happened to him. The Bible says God BURIED him.
Enoch AND Elijah did NOT die. That is not the same as Jesus

Jesus [size=18pt]HAD[/size] a dual nature. Past tense. Mary Had only the Human nature. Jesus dropped His human nature at death. What Mary birthed is NOT what we worship today and He Himself said as much to His Disciples - Today, He is the Risen Lord, God as it were and that is why He refused worship whist still "human"!

I do not understand your second quote? The Spirit said He came in the Flesh - how does that suggest the Holy Spirit is Flesh?

Here is where we always have problems with you - this deliberate dishonesty as though you speak to children you can bully or pull the wool over their eyes.

I put a caveat up there - healing and demons are DIFFERENT. And I put it up there because I know you will want to use that mis-interpretation to support yourselves. Why can't we be honest for once?

Stop making it out as though all illness is demons. Cripples, the Blind, Cancer, HIV - these are not demons but physical afflictions. The example from Luke above is dishonest as you are using headache medicine to treat a knife-cut. This is not about winning an argument at all cost but about simple honest truth.

Jesus was SPECIFICALLY speaking of demons wanting to return, NOT of illness or blindness or death wanting to return. Except if you are saying the little girl's ailment was a demon - is that what you wish to say? Then please prove it! Else, leave the issue - dishonesty does not make anybody look good and is particularly saddening in Christians.

^^ This is simply semantics, brother. I said He was NOT defined by His Mother but by His Father. Your analogy about the goat suggests you have brought this down to a fleshy point of view neglecting the fact that the Holy Ghost did not physically come upon her as is the case with the flesh. Mary provided the human nature but He did not "inherit" His nature from her.

Note that Nature is what the Bible uses to separate Him - He possessed the NATURE of God rather than of Man

I think this is simple and is a matter of "rules", in this case, the biblical rule or standard - Nobody in the Bible is described as the Son of a Woman. The Father therefore, is the "inherited" party! Jesus thus is known as the Son of God rather than the Son of Mary suggesting that He got His nature/righteousness/inheritances from the Holy Spirit rather than from Mary. What the Father was, He was rather than being an extension of Mary. The Mary portion was just an "addendum" to provide his "human" nature. It did not define Him. His FATHER defined Him.

I too personally have issues with the Catholic outlook on this one.

Ganjaseed:
@Joagbaje

You should be suspended from the Christ embassy church your defence and answers to questions is so fake and implicating in such that a sound bible student can easily figure out that you are just a follow follow christian you do not have any personal conviction of what you confess to believe. I am a Christ embassy member at least I fellowship there, but i refuse to be an inner caucus member, that does not mean i should hail everything they do there. What are we trying to interpret here that God heal somebody and after 2 days she dies and we are talking about faith? simple truth is that, when Cerulo made that false declaration of healing with his lying tongue the parents stop giving the kid the drugs for her ailment so she died. Simple. Meaning the little girl was never healed. "The blessing of God maketh rich and added no sorrow to it" this include healing and financial blessing. God gives and never take back. You do not need to teach anybody to retain healing. That is why the healing school thing is a smart way of trick.

Finish! Only a dishonest person will contest this. In playing Satan's advocate, Jo is giving himself and CE a worse name. Truth should come before loyalty and if its difficult to tell the truth, then keep quiet.

^^^ I hope we have a civil discussion if truly knowledge is desired and brains are to be used. As you people like to say - "the letter killeth".

Yes, Christ told them to go and sin no more.

But you have added your own to His Words forgetting there is a curse when you add to or subtract from God's Word. But lets not argue about it - show us FROM THE BIBLE what He said would happen to them if they sinned.

Then tell us - the four year old girl should go and sin no more? What does she know sin to be? At 4?

Or are you saying it was because her parents sinned that she was "punished" by God?

But first tell us where Jesus said "something worse would happen if they sinned".

Then tell us how you figure out "Let God be true and all men liars". And if they be liars, how could they sin no more? And if they sinned simply by being liars as God says in His Word, how come all the people Christ healed retained their own healing and it is prosperity love-vendor healers that "lose" healing? Or where did Peter/Paul/Biblical healing get lost or "something worse happened".

Demons and healing ARE different things, mind you!

@Joagbaje:

True, Jesus did not heal every human on the surface of the earth who was afflicted and the Angel that stirred the pool did not heal everyone by it.

But Please, I beg you, PLEASE, let us fear God. What the Bible says is "if God be for us, who can be against us". This is TOTALLY supported by God's Word - can you show ONE SINGLE instance where Jesus or His Apostles healed anyone and the devil was able to come back? If effect, which did God "give" that satan claimed back? Sure, Christ said demons would roam and try to return but is cancer a demon? Why didn't any illness/disease return in the Bible? Why is it only in these cases? Has the devil now overcome God or is it just the simple truth that there was actually no healing?

Enigma asked you a question recently that you dodged - how many times did the Apostles know they were going out to heal? Is it not instead true that they just lived their normal lives and found the power of God flowing through them without prior plans? Can you show ONE healing school or process where people were taught to "claim" or "retain" healing?

^^ Sorry but what did you say or answer above? A child is ill and you say God healed her but the Merciful Gracious Almighty God punished the lack of faith of parents BY KILLING an innocent child? Are you people human at all and do you even know the Character of a Loving Father or do you simply see God as an ATM machine with no feelings?

If you have no sensible response, why not keep quiet? Your response above is the type that gets you into the type of trouble you want to avoid and makes you quietly ask for peace whist openly ridiculing yourselves and the Name of the Heavenly Father.

^^ You, Joagbaje, keep saying it is more blessed to give than to receive but once the issue of 'pastors' comes up, you are quick to say Paul received and above you justify the Corinthian experience. Basically then, your mien is that pastors are to receive so that the world can be blessed. But this is totally unscriptural.

Why cannot your pastors give to the congregation or to society? Why is it the poor lowly congregation that is pushed to give? Why cannot pastor chris give to the poor by telling his congregation to bless the poor directly or by reducing the number of white cars following him around?? Why does he have to be responsible for disbursements for his congregation? Are they "stupid"/"wicked"/etc that they cannot see & know the needy themselves? Or is there something he gains by making sure their money passes through his hands before it "gets" to the poor and needy?

As I have said to you often, Paul said "All things are lawful, but not all are expedient". Why is it suddenly expedient that all monies go through pastoral hands? Why is Paul disregarded in CEC when money is concerned? Which is more important - the words your "Apostle to the Gentiles" spoke OR cold hard cash?

And PLEASE, stop thinking this is about pastor chris - he means almost less than grass to me. This is about Truth AND God Almighty - any man is less than sand before these.

BTW, your people come here and say people have poverty consciousness and are poor etc. Then they tell us they climb Okadas daily. Later, they say it is only because they wanted to win "Souls" that they climbed okadas! Who is being fooled? You leave your Rolls-Royce & climb Okada? Do you people know the world is watching & laughing? We KNOW the truth! The world knows the truth. All the insolent rudeness about poverty is just a reflection of the lives of the paupers who like to project their own lack upon others. Tell your "goats" to stop it - the kingdom of God is not about partying or meat and drink. Your people have exposed themselves as living on hope and in desperation.

Tell your Okada warriors - NOBODY is fooled and you only ridicule yourselves and Christianity.

The Commandment was clear - Honor your father & mother. That is a sweeping statement and does not distinguish between believers and non-believers.

Everybody who testifies of Christ is a prophet. The angel clarified that to John in saying "the testimony of Christ is the Spirit of prophecy".

Which would mean the believing parent has both God's Commandment PLUS the Spirit and gift of prophecy whistle pastors have only a moral leadership.

This pastor is superior nonsense is just nonsense as I sarcastically pointed out (which was when your rabid azimouth jumped in brainlessly) using the example of our newly discovered gay pastor and the murderer awaiting execution.

So I ask - When the Holy Dr was testing the 14 year olds bottom, was his power over the boy and his congregation greater than the God given honor to parents? When King was burning people, are you saying he had greater standing before God than parents? Conversely, do you think God didn't know some parents wouldn't be believers before He gave the ONLY conditional Commandment in their favor?

Yommyuk has told the God given truth above. The parent blessed directly and God honors it. The pastor may "bless" but the blessing comes from God NOT from pastor.

Why is it pastor you make noise over anyway?
Why not Apostle? Or evangelist? Or teacher? Or prophet? Is the pastor greater than the apostle? Why then not the deacon too? Why not the elder? Or is it because your own guy calls himself pastor that pastor has now become greater than everything and everyone else?

Paul left an example behind - he WORKED. Members living large WORK for their money. They have excess and live well off their own sweat. Any pastor who has a secular job and is not living off tithes or his congregation in any indirect or direct way is spending his own funds and has a right to do so.

But when the bulk or totality of your income is from your congregation, it is only right that you live responsibly and modestly. Many say their income is from books etc. They will stand before God. Paul wrote over half the NT - how much did he sell those writings to us? The Gospel is NOT a means to personal financial gain

Frosbel:

You, particularly, have done very well concerning this matter but its not as simple as that. Most of their customers are in "churches" simply because they hope for "solutions" - money, power, success over perceived/imagined enemies. This ensures they fall squarely into the "itchy ears" category and the prosperity pimps are just providing a service selling false hope and making fortunes from that!

Even here on NL, you will see the prosperity merchants have been shown to have almost no knowledge of scripture and the little they do, they misquote and manipulate for their own purposes. They have even been caught involved in 419, cheating, lying etc yet they remain shameless BECAUSE for them, it is business and they will NEVER give up - it is the lazy man's way to wealth to harness humans whist God asked us to harness nature.

Please do not think it is enough - the surface has been barely scratched.