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James is NOT talking about works saving anybody! He says that the proof that "faith" has saved you is the "works" that you do.

Devils believe in Jesus! At least we read of one who called Jesus the Holy one of God. Are they saved? No, because their works are darkness!
You claim you believe. Are you saved? Yes, IF YOUR WORKS ARE LIGHT. But if your works are "darkness", then you are not saved!

This is so simple and you cannot say you do not understand this ^^

Duplicity here is quite simple - you use words when they favor you and dismiss them when they seem NOT to favor your current position. For that reason, anyone reading you shifting the goal posts would notice the duplicity - its so obvious and it makes you look "funny"! Read "funny" as cunning and devious!

Geniocracy? Deprivation of right to vote?

NairaLand! How did I ever laugh prior to finding this site?

And now the "high level suffering poverty minded" man has showed up. This guy must have really suffered highly and at a high level ( ) to have got these words stuck to his brain so. Every post is about suffering, and then worship of pastors. I get the idea you're one of these "pastors" who keep discovering "witch" children and persecuting the innocent just to feel good.

Man-worshipper says 3 of the congregation can pay for the jet Then why did dozens of pastors resign in protest in one day simply because they couldn't afford the fees for their children at the covenant schools and their children were withdrawn/sent home? Shows how "wealth minded" you are when you use a private jet but your "pastors" can't pay their children's fees. If they were God's pastors, they'd expect recompense in heaven but since they are oyedepo's pastors, sad for them! But God is good and will honor the sincerity of their labor.

Absolutely brilliant questions (and posers) from Debosky! Succint and totally encompassing.

Edited - not worth the response

^^ Enjoy the hole.

@Image123:

I suggest you calm down and leave Joagbaje alone. If you continue, you will find out why I started getting so angry on NL. Soon you will get to that point if you allow this continue. These are people who have sold out totally and have lost conscience and decency

@TheClown:

Don't cry. Christ already told us they were coming. What matters is that they're not being allowed to go unchallenged.

@Vescucci:

Time and experience informs that good relationships are not built till each party has been pushed to breaking and got hang of the other. Aside confrontation, whatever obtains an uneasy truce built on the fake laws of civility we see expressed everyday.

Like the Lord I believe in and serve, I hold onto "Do unto others as you would they do unto you". In others words, - If you can't take it, do NOT dish it. Conversely, "if you dish it, get ready, its coming back".

Such confrontations build deeper understandings, friendships and rapports. I, like you, am coming to know what I can trust differing personalities for. Those who are straight and upright, the vain, the sly and cunning, the withdrawn yet sincere, the noisy, the attention seekers, etc. It all shows over time as character is like smoke and cannot be hidden.

Whatever, Bro, get out of whatever hole you got stuck in pronto, and get back here.

Joagbaje:
Don't rejoice too soon. I've been busy and I will respond soon. If Im proven wrong , it's not failure . I will only add to knowledge . I don't think I am wrong.

I am/was NOT rejoicing. That post was saddening to me as I typed it though I made it seem like fun. But it was neccessary because of the young innocents who would otherwise look up to you. My greatest wish for you would have been that you be held in the utmost respect here being a servant of God. However, you refuse to show any restraint, patience or wisdom when writing. Its like a deliberate desire to offend everyone with your twists of truth and conscience. And you make it so obvious that the gospel is about chris oyakilome's agendas whether in tune or not with what we know of God's Agenda.

If pastors like you did what they ought to do, God witness that people like me would keep quiet knowing our Father's work is being handled rightly and with honor. My "jests" that supposedly "make" fun of you are meant only to "force" you to look inwards and re-assess yourself. It might suprise you that my style FORCES me to keep on my toes so I do not end up a hypocrite saying yet not doing. That is what truth does - it truly is a double edged sword.

Purchase truth, brother, as the Bible says and sell it not for all the wealth on earth. And please despise the pride that keeps on making you fall here. "I am sorry" and "I was wrong" are not too much for you to say

^^^ What does an expression of boredom and 3rd party regret from the 3rd rock portend for NL?

You've been quiet - shey you dey sha?

Deep Sight:
^^^ I dont see how that says anything. Baptism in the name of Deep Sight, Deep Sight's Son, and Deep Sight's powers does not in anyway render Deep Sight Three persons in one, does it? ? ?

As usual, you post stuff that has the tendency to make people wonder and then will get all "preachy" when called out. So "DeepSight's powers" has a name, right? Or you think anyone is fooled by this deliberate "obtuseness" which pretends not to get the point?

This is not a court where you win at all cost. I will cite you for contempt and that comes with a verdict on NL.

Matt 28:19 - "Baptising them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit".

Interesting, ain't it? And this didn't come from a council meeting or the RCC!

Mehnnnnnnnn!

Joagbaje finally got his moment of Glory on NL but exclusively as a student. With everybody able to understand truth except for our resident pastor, one has no recourse but to wonder at the spiritual state of those taught by NL's seemingly favorite student.

Maybe NL ought to set up a school for christian toddlers (those without teeth AT ALL) and register Jo as its first student

Price? Is it brand new or toks?

^^^ Now that and the previous are to be applauded. Good going there.

I think the problem Jo has is that CE prefers the words without the essence because of the "crowd" mentality so they refuse to convict people. Convicting people will drive them away and that is not in the "vision". Denying James and "bringing him low" is a means of self-justifying.

Shallow doctrine which Image has cancelled with these last 2 posts

Actually, James 2:14 complements Ephesians 2:8 & 9 as expressed above by Joagbaje. Where Paul says salvation is based on faith AS a gift of God, James brings us down to earth. Effectively, James is saying "hey, stop saying all you need to do is believe then do anything you feel like. You need to work out your salvation by changing your lives rather than just saying you believe and expecting that solves all".

He is NOT saying salvation is by works but "proved" by works i.e. your life after the claim of faith.

And it is exactly the same with James 2:24 and Romans 3:28. Truly faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law saves but James clarifies that by telling us you cannot continue in sin and say "FAITH" has saved you. Its like saying "I am saved" then joining the occult - would you be saved?

Till today, we still find ourselves seperating from others of different background. Whist the Apostles found it easy to emphatise with all, coming in contact with "traditional" Jews made them retreat, not knowing how the traditionalists would take to their "mixing". This just shows cautiousness, not fear.

Basically then, all that is stated above just shows James wanting people to realise salvation was a serious issue and NOT based on boasting without any backing in reality. He in effect, puts reality behind the "talk". It will be very painful for anyone who prefers not to change his life but say he's saved.

^^^ Apologies if that seems the case to you. However, it seems I am accused and thats all right but when I turn the tables, its not all right. Doesn't seem fair to me.

Again I'm sorry but PLEASE LOOK at the words used to quantify whoever wrote what I quoted from Enigma's thread. Are those impersonal? Do they address the issue rather than casting aspersions on someone who cannot defend himself (or herself since we don't know the person)? Would you wish to be cast in such light? And what does it make me if I then, am following the rationale of the "so-called" illegal immigrant to the land of academia?

I apologise. I really do apologise but it seems very unfair to me to describe me as following that (knowing that the greater, as it were, blesses the lesser) then complain when I say you are doing what you'd earlier complained I did.

I notice you have no comments on the words "Loudmouth, NL institution, disrespectful, sole bigfish" etc.

Just as "bookends between writers" commanded your amazement at its "brilliance"!

But again, I apologise for my daring to say what others have likely thought but kept quiet about.

There's hope for Tonye-T - all he needs to do is slow down and listen to other people before replying.

But Jo? How's this for time management

[1] God approved all those words from James to be inside His Word. So it is God's Word you're calling "bla bla bla"!
[2] They came from James! So you blame James! See why we blame chris when we read you?
[3] But James taught contrary to what they do whist chris teaches what you say
[4] Gboa Gboa Gboa then bang Bang - Son of a murderer (the murderer of ages)
[5] True, some reach "gangsters" but YOU are Gangsters reaching men
[6] See a "pastor" calling Peter "Pope"? So Peter was the pope ehn? Shows what your guiding spirit is!

A prophet is one who testifies of Jesus! A teacher is everyone who has been on this thread especially Jesoul who made us understand what you are and stand for! And I will prove it simply - why don't you call anyone who God performs a miracle through either a "miracler" ( ) or "the miracle-worker"? Why is it God that is "THE miracle worker"? So why don't you call God the "Teacher" if not because you enjoy big titles and being praised of men?

Truth is totally missing from you, dude and all those tithes cannot give you either that truth, peace, joy, wisdom or knowledge. Which is why everyone calls you out repeatedly and always chase you off to return after a season (like your dad).

^^^ Yes, the Pharisees were not part of the church.

Yet Christ was talking in relation to the church when He spoke to His disciples. Because He knew there would be the Pharisee equivalence INSIDE the Church.

Even DeepSight wouldn't say what you just did! And if you read my past posts here, you will find I readily apologise when I see fault proved against me. So lets answer this issue -

[1] What you said I did to DeepSight and that you showed to me AS OPPOSED TO what you just tried to do to whoever wrote the posts I quoted here - which is worse? Especially considering me and Deep are well acquainted and you were sticking a pin in my ever present ballon whist the author of the posts whom you called flawed, unable to lead to truth, uncertain and wobbly, "no citizen of academia" etc, was not even here to defend himself.
[2] As I asked, is it okay when you do it but NOT ok when others do it (assuming ridicule and chest beating was their motive and not friendly bantering)?
[3] Sarcasm is a language construct and here I used it to place you on the seat you had happily placed me in earlier. You even thanked those who applauded your efforts. Without knowing we'd get to this point, I went so far as to state my comedy was rooted in sadness. This is true - sadness that we tell so many lies deliberately at the expense of truth just to show ourselves brilliant in one way or the other.
[4] I QUOTED YOU. EVERYTIME! Often, what we say is not seem apparent to us but others can see it - I saw/showed another angle to your words and you have right to correct me. The words are there so please tell us what they mean if I was wrong.

Loudmouth, institution, disrespect! Nuclear BIG FISH? Please, playing "victim" doesn't suit you - You cannot accuse others, be praised as brilliant for using language against others then complain when accused or when they use language against you. Thats beneath you. I wish you met Krayola here. Him, MyJoe, Mazaje, Pastor_AIO, Viaro have "destroyed" me in arguments here even when maybe they didn't know - know why? They had more knowledge and truth than I had. And me, quickly, I acquiesed.

I agree you contributed here, albeit not in the way I wished. I said from the start - don't come with selections of what you decide are enough, ignoring other stuff and using said "selections" only for eisegesis. That is the only thing I have/had against DeepSight who is a brilliant debater. You too are from all I see, very extremely intelligent. But again - intellect cannot replace truth and it only shows total disregard for the other (me) when you believe you can bambozzle with intelligence. That applies to Christian, Muslim, Deist or Atheist.

Truth 1st. Then - "give and it shall be given unto you, , ., for with what measure you mete, shall it be meted unto you".

I apologise if I was too abrasive. Still, I wonder how you'd feel if DeepSight was to find "staggering brilliance" in my 2nd to last post!

What I want an explanation to remains "baptising them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" Matt 28:19. How do you baptize in the name of God's "Power"?

Joagbaje:
I was enjoying your compliment until the second part.

What has this got to do with the thread? Moderator

But yet, it is well. Pastor Joe, it is well.

Matt 23: 2 - 7 perfectly summed up. And yes, nuclearboy knows, Jesoul, that you totally meant it!

^^^ totally lovely picture that I'll download for a temp screensaver - but what does it stand for in your post? Anyways, chew on this for awhile - Jesus said "Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.". Would you be kind enough to substitute the "rays of the sun" in that statement?

@PrinceEmek:

Interesting stuff.

PrinceEmek:
I’m beginning to wonder how many times I’m going to say this. No one is disputing the existence and potency of the Holy Spirit.
The primal excerpt and subsequent entries only establish the existence of the HG. That is not the point. Any one desiring to prove that the HG is God should do so, beyond reasonable doubt. Proving that he exists does nothing for the issue at hand. We need proof that the HG is God

But which one of the enumerated traits makes the HG God? Don’t you find it odd that the most important characteristic in the identification and definition of God is left out? You may be better off defining God, first, and then see what attributes in your definition that does not apply to the HG. Any entity devoid of the creative ability cannot be God. Now, if you want to prove me wrong start from here.

Furthermore, what we have here is the job description of a head messenger, prime servant, manager, or supervisor. Considering that he was “apparently invested with active authority over the mission of God,” I don’t see God there, do you? [/i][/size

God is not a God of confusion. He ought to have married the seeming opposing views to produce one solid doctrine.

This guy’s power of deduction is less than glistening, to say the least. After reading and citing scripture that contains this: “For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him,” he still goes on to deduce that the spirit and the man are different personages? If the spirit dwells within God, how can he be a separate personage from God? Look who’s taking about what a rational person would admit. Does the referenced line not show that only the spirit dwelling in a man can understand the man’s thoughts? By simple transposition, according to the statement, only the spirit living within God can know the thoughts of God.

OK, let us suppose briefly that the HG is a distinct personage from The Word, and both of them are God. What would be the rationale of the following scripture? [/i][/size][/color] “As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them” (Acts 13:2). [color=#000099][size=10pt][i] The HG didn’t call any of the Apostles; Christ did. Can the HG take credit for their vocation? The last I checked it was Our Lord who ambushed him, and roped him in, for a purpose. Factoring in that the bible cannot contradict itself, the only explanation is that both Christ and the HG, as human and spirit respectively, are not God, are both attributes of The Word, who is God.

If the human Christ were God, is it possible to imagine the amount of power any one would have to wield, to be able to execute him? God is indestructible; he cannot even kill himself, let alone mere mortal weaklings. It’s therefore important to distinguish Jesus from The Word. The human attribute of The Word was a High Priest and sacrificial lamb, not God. Recall that Jesus never at any time referred to himself as God. He insisted on being the Son of Man. This is important. I’ll explain.

Prince:

I read through your posts twice to be sure I saw what was in them right. As I earlier said, "intellect and comms skills won't substitute for truth". And as Vescucci rightly said about me "I will throw in the towel soon". But, let me show you some major issues before I go.

Firstly, I won't harp or sit on the idea that you've actually done worse in your post to the author of those posts than I ever dreamt of doing to DeepSight. Does it work that way with you too? When you do it, its fair but others are cruel when they do it? You're critical and disparaging even to the point of saying this is a false teacher that can never lead to truth and you say it over and over. Do as I say not as I do is applicable to who in the new testament? And I thought only our subject here (the HS) can lead to all truth, not Him plus PrinceEmek (or is it Herbert whatchacallim?).

Anyways, in my selected excerpts from you above,

first you say what you you need "proven" is that the HG is God!
Then you ask which trait makes Him God
For to you, the most important trait for that is missing i.e the creative ability

Your post says He is only "apparently invested with active authority over the mission of God"
which "is the job description of a head messenger, prime servant, manager, or supervisor"

Then you now deduce that since "only the spirit dwelling in a man can understand the man’s thoughts?", "By simple transposition, according to the statement, only the spirit living within God can know the thoughts of God. "
WHICH IN OTHER WORDS MEANS THE HOLY GHOST LIVES INSIDE GOD AND THUS IS GOD! Your own words, Sir!

Yet above and according to you, He lacks the creative ability! So God lacks the creative ability? I wonder at you, today!

So, PrinceEmek, in your post and your words then, your dog is also you whist also being your messenger, manager, supervisor or as Pastor_AIO says "your Houseboy"! But more -

You ALSO state "both Christ and the HG, as human and spirit respectively, are not God, BUT are both attributes of The Word, who is God." Is that so, Prince? They both are not? Wow! See understanding

Basically then, your own Bible misses out the words, "In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the Beginning. " John 1:1 & 2. Then please jump to verse 14 which says " The Word became flesh and made His dwelling amongst us, , " OR no, your Bible does not miss them; you just prefer to negate them, right?

Welcome DeepSight PrinceEmek!

So lets rephrase and see what you said - "In the beginning was God and God was with God and God was God. He was with God in the beginning." THEN verse 14 which is really interesting " THE GOD became flesh and made His dwelling amongst us".

All those Hebrew, Greel and Aramaic writers must really have loved repetition, over-emphasis and technical jargon. Haba! Imagine God being God and being with God. Wonderment!

Friend, ket me stop here before it starts to get gross!

Remember what I said I have against DeepSight - Its this ^^^ - Taking a portion whist ignoring others, twisting it around into a pretzel in the name of being intellectual and presenting it as truth. Abstraction is not brilliance - its just a way of hiding ignorance!

AND Please edit your post and remove the "revelation knowledge" of Genesis 6 you have. Even Joagbaje knows better than that! I wouldn't want to come against such - it is an insult to elementary reasoning and such only comes from this new wave of "I heard a voice saying I'm special" i,e, Revelation Knowledge.

I hope you didn't get all these from Herbert Whatshisname. Very poor recommendation for the dude, if you ask me.

^^^ At least I got 50% - that's a pass mark, ain't it? For a "boy" with babyteeth like I get told weekly nowadays, I try!

BTW, don't mind MyJoe - he knows the answer. He's one of these over-brilliant people who like behaving as though they're normal like the rest of us.

@Aletheia:

Don't you know James was a heretic for saying "faith without works is dead"?   Some people would rather that faith be totally unrelated to any manner of work. Just gist, stories and eisegesis!

@Tonye-T:

@Jesoul: Hello Dearie. How much will you pay me to let everyone know the missing word in your post up there is "IDIOTIC"?

Nuclearboy has stated his case and produced what he believes supports his assertions from reason and the Bible

Image123 has stated his case and produced what he believes supports his assertions from reason and the Bible



Readers have brains, can reason and will decide their own reality!

Hope your sunday is going fine, Image123. Enjoy the coming week with God's Hand upon your life

Image123:
Ignorance laminated.

Now that is classic!

I can just imagine "ignorance" laminated, framed and displayed openly.

"Wisdom is the principal thing".

All parties involved in this show showed a remarkable lack of wisdom, knowledge and understanding. Insistence by the groom's mother conferred title of "final arbiter" on the pastor. Why not? They were depending on him to be joined, weren't they?

Then original pastor did not clear the air with "supreme" "feeling powerful" pastor who decided he, not God, was joining the couple and thus, without divinity, had right to use his powers to perform God's duty. Sad and an amazing travesty and misuse of "power"

This is what you get when you put man before God. Groom's mother was looking to the Glory, the front seat, and the party after. I hope she's satisfied.

All forgot God is the one who joins and not pastors. And if He joins, whether or not you go to church, He joins!

@PrinceEmek:

Trinity is embedded in the Bible. I did not put it there! Take a look at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.0.html#msg6612928 and the 4 posts that follow that one. I have this against DeepSight - choosing "some" scripture upon which to base all his theories and absolutely neglecting others. It is a poor commendation for one who would have truth. But my guy is a lawyer so we get the point - you come to win!

And when reading them, please remember - Intellect and communication skills are NOT a substitute for the truth. Thats why it is sad coming against a brilliant liar. "A little folly spoils much wisdom"

@PrinceEmek:

Trinity is embedded in the Bible. I did not put it there! Take a look at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.0.html#msg6612928 and the 4 posts that follow that one. I have this against DeepSight - choosing "some" scripture upon which to base all his theories and absolutely neglecting others. It is a poor commendation for one who would have truth. But my guy is a lawyer so we get the point - you come to win!

And when reading them, please remember - Intellect and communication skills are NOT a substitute for the truth. Thats why it is sad coming against a brilliant liar. "A little folly spoils much wisdom"

Image123:
The 7churches were spiritual not physical? wetin pesin no go hear for internet. John/Jesus was writing to the 7churches in Asia, and just like every other scripture, it is profitable for all to benefit. You and all this your writing to pharisee, to levites, to priests, to jews etc. The Word of God is for us all. [size=13pt]BTW, Philemon is a person not a church[/size], that's general b.k. Plus those other churches aren't in Asia. No more Revelation talk from me on this thread. Open another if you please.

Philemon verse 2: "To Apphia our sister, to Archippus our fellow soldier [size=13pt]and to the church that meets in your home:[/size]"

Most people skim past that, Bro. But there was a church at Philemon's home

@PrinceEmek:

On a hunch, I took the liberty to check out your previous posts - Now I know where you are coming from and I apologize FOR taking you so flippantly. Thats sincere and now I also know why I felt here was someone worthy of "testing" as I did. Truth is, most people who go against me especially concerning the GodHead can't handle my teeth. Your few posts, on the other hand show more than a solid footing.

I will take you serious onwards and will take off some time to go through your previous posts on this thread. If I am right, I musta missed a lot cos I was somewhat cursory going through your responses. Sorry - NL is starting to get to me. Just forgive me if I allow the comedian in me show at times and please remember, behind every comedian is a sad person.

^^^

Last I heard of a "fat lady singing" was at an occasion for the "fullhouse" star. Not very nice of you, that Especially seeing Mr "Ineluctable" will be around soon to detect the infinitesimal scope of the brilliance involved in that).

Now if you feel like Christ persecuted yet see me like Paul an "obliterator" ( ), I'd not want to "detect" you as being either of Satan or "PrinceEmek", both scary prospects right now. Again though, I will defer but NOT quantify that deference yet. But you're good - very very good.

[size=4pt]A good egg all around. Sad that we all know where eggs come from[/size]. That is one huge salute - knowing my audience "gets it" and thus, not worrying at being misunderstood.