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Me, yab the guy who gets all dem gals? lai-lai, I fitn't!

Nice to hear from you Bro, and of course, from Aletheia. His post above was absolutely brilliant and covered all the points involved in the issue.

Yes O, e36991, its Scottish Kilts not Irish skirts

@Alexleo:

I get your point but there are a number of situations that really demand such. The military during warfare is an example of such. Sports is another. Even Worship of God in the Old Testament required Aaron to wear skirts, as darexfire said. I also, like him, think this is a small issue before God as long as it is not worn with the intent of seduction.

@Kenyan:

What does "Proof prove" stand for? I hope you understand english and thus know the meaning of "PROOF"!

Anyway, I like your desire not to question much. Actually as I implied before, I'm your pastor chris and need you to sow a miracle seed of just $5, 000 towards your coming wedding?

Let me know when you want me to give you an account to pay the money into?

@VALIDATOR:

Just THREE years? Don't you know 1,000 years are just like a day? Three years is what? (24 hours * 60 minutes /333.3) = 4 and half minutes in "Chris Embassy" time!

You can't give them even 5 minutes? Wow, what a babyteeth sinner you are?

^^^

I think its worth it you, Enigma and Petres_James-Bond clarify the issue here openly.

A few contacts I've had with NLers and some emails I received give me to understand that more people actually take you guys more serious than you'll want to believe. It has made me afraid to think I may have effect on a person's understanding of God's Designs.

Conversely, some self-believed NL "HEAVY WEIGHTS" seemingly have "-negative IQs" to the understanding of many readers.

Please, let the light shine!

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@Kenyan:

No time, today or tomorrow, rather loads of classwork and work on your table.

SO, you have NO TIME to honor God who you say healed you, by showing "proof" of illness before; and health after!

BUT, you can come in to say "I AM HEALED".

In the meantime, you are likely running from pillar to post and will show up sooner than later, with documents made by "CorelDraw", signed by yourself; scanned and pasted here, purpotedly "proving" healing. Why not produce real proof - your name, address, name of doctor and hospital, name of laboratory(s), dates, etc?

If you don't want to make your life public, then why did you come here with such claims? Did you expect people to keel over and clap for you? Suppose I now tell you I have proof that Jesus will return at the end of this month, won't you ask me for proof? OR ok, I am Chris Oyakilome - I want you to send US$25, 000 to an account I'll give you. Once you log in again, post on this thread to tell me and I'll paste the account details

OR Please recant AND avoid this topic. You are not only sounding and seeming like a liar but also giving the church you claim was the means for your happiness, a bad name. Worst, you are making the name of Christ a mockery!

As e36991 has pointed out above "death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire" which ends both and also the concept of "eternity in hell". That however is not my purpose in this post.

I may be villified for this but concerning the issue of "Only God is Good", I have issues - The Scriptures were penned down by Men who all believed in God and saw His power asserted "positively" in their own lives. God was "good" to them and they were right saying God is good. The Amalekites on the other hand, or the inhabitants of Jericho would likely not say the same. We have parallels today with say, believers being equal to the writers of the scriptures and unbelievers being the amalekites. The latter group would likely scream "God is bad".

Rather than take any man from either side's word for it, why not ask God Himself - God described Himself eloquently enough in the Scriptures - "I AM THAT I AM", not "good", "bad", "handsome", "selfish" etc. Furthermore, in Isaiah "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord do all these things". In effect, from the perspective of God, the idea is performing His Will and achieving His purpose. I use the allegory of a Rabbit farmer who gives one as pet to his daughter, trains another for fighting, sells a third at market and kills the fourth for food at the table - I doubt if he considers how the individual rabbits feel. Being alive, I'm sure these also have preferences. The "pet" rabbit which will be bathed, groomed and likely even have a sleeping "cot" would feel the master very Good.

For us as humans, trained all our lives to see ourselves as the crown of existence (at our earthly level), it seems logical that anything we do not like is "bad" but I am of the belief we over-reach when we decide to judge "God".

Just some thoughts on the "God is Good" concept

^^^ Yep and thus, its time to disappear. Like Tudor will say "BIG FAT YAWN!"

HIV AIDS ko, radio-activity ni

Ph.D (tithes and scams)

Discuss further on the life of the "true" believer [1] lifestyle [2] motives [3] desires [4] how he/she is seen by unbelievers [5] trials/persecution [6] hopes and their limits.

I think you have something great here and further information will serve many people if you continue as well grounded as you started above

God's blessings

^^^ Bro:

Take it easy. I was just joking and trying to ease tension. Both of you are really great people and one thing you cannot deny Tudor is desire for truth - that alone makes him/her stand out in this world of fakes and tricksters.

Please bury the hatchet and leave the matter be.

@alexleo:

I love your manner and arguments but you should try take another look at the OP's message in relation to Aaron wearing Skirts! I do not have evidence that Jesus wore but surely the "law" you push here would have caught Aaron! Clothing is mainly a matter of culture with for example, Irish men wearing Skirts.

I think these are small issues before God when you consider truth, righteousness and love. The only comment I have on women wearing trousers is that they should be decent - one worn with thongs showing underneath or cut all over in the name of fashion is definitely wrong. Remember the night vigils we have - without jeans, mosquitoes will send you to hospital and I think what will cheapen God most is to ask Him to protect us from mosquitoes because we don't want to wear trousers

OP's assertions make sense if decency is implied in the trousers.

Mabell, Nuella2, Joagbaje -> unholy trinity -> mischief, error and Liar

But then we could expand it to include drmightie and kenyan28 and we get Jo-boy's pentagram; which Joagbaje says is the symbol of Israel

Detective kunleoshob is looking for wahala and these guys must have it deep for him. If he's ever caught at one of their meetings, fried fish would have a better testimony than his own

^^^^ hehehehe

I never knew that! So that was a way out for him as in he was advised to leave, ehn? Fraud and these people walk hand in hand!

@David:

Been awhile O. Yes, Vescucci is right and that is what its about - you know how it is atimes when you can't find the right words to pass your thoughts across; thats what happened here and I too like you got to that point where I started to wonder if I was the only one remembering the sacrifices came before the Victory.

@Chi-baby:

read through again

One thing I've noticed - how come nobody that has a brain on NL ever calls/called any of you out for information on Christianity? How come they do not take you serious? Have you not noticed the disdain - many leave a thread when you come in? Do you smell? How come the Laity (us) babyteeth knows more about the "God" than the Clergy (you) mature teeth? How come NONE of YOU has ever had anything to say in defence of CHRIST? but when it is chris whose name is involved, daggers are drawn? Why does good sense and reason never beckon to you? Are you not ashamed mazaje or deepsight would prefer to listen to the youth InesQor than to the old pastor Joagbaje?

Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, the rest of NL has placed you on the scales, found you wanting and thrown you away? Twice now, people have written that I should ignore Joagbaje particularly and a few others in general as its like coming down to their level (one person said negative level) and could dilute the influence of what I write? Why does everyone think you're in the gutter? Can you name any church as reviled as yours or any collection of people as scorned as you are? Sex scandal, theft, vanity, fraud, heresies, cult membership, fake miracles, etc

Why is it always CE? What type of spirit occupies your lives and ministry?

I will say this only once - I would NEVER have bothered about you but I wondered and still do - do you have conscience? Do you remember the Name of Jesus is in the balance each time these things happen? Thats why I try to point out those things; admittedly, my language is strong - I have no apologies for not being deceitful but saying it as I see it, but you - does it not bother you to be the cause of so much insult to what you claim to serve?

Read the above again and and then tell me I envy oily-looks again!

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Nothing to say again ehn? So who is being selective here? So who is lying here?

Jo-boy CANNOT FIND ONE time he ever made a mistake? And he has checked and found that God vindicates me of his lies against me (God is in charge and its as if He planned this since yesterday so you understand what it is to be confounded by the little things; of which I am the littlest) and that I accept wrong whenever I am wrong!

And suddenly the "sent forth" argument has taken a new dimension that your scholarship cannot handle, abi?

So now, "little miss red riding hood" has come to support and Jo-boy does the CE dance - "we're expanding and making more money and there are more important discussants (those who can be convinced to bring their tithes and etc to us) to exploit"

Oya, defend yourself now! And count the number of NL threads on "Chris" Embassy and their worth to the Name of Jesus Christ!

Hypocrites turning the work of Christ into a cash-cow!

^^ you're right and you get my idea perfectly!

I knew this would not be the type of thread that stimulating discussion or "page after page" flows from - it was just a reminder to those who claim the name what we're about.

No, its not ok. Yesterday, I accepted wrong when discussing with an ATHEIST (mazaje on the thread "Disbelief in Yahweh). That was just yesterday and I didn't know this would come up, did I?

You on the other hand, please show example of your ever accepting wrong (not changing the argument or saying chris agrees with it cos you're not chris).

On this "Sent Forth" issue, you run to stick your foot in your mouth - The man was "sent forth". God came back. It is that God we worship and call CHRIST. If you now sit and re-read that, you will understand what I said.

I do not selectively respond - thats left to those who have no valid response.

Thats the one I like most! Thanks - will try now

^^^ True talk that - you can only see another person's IP if you log in with the person's ID. I carry degrees in Computer Science and have been trying to find out a particular member's IP for so so so long cos I suspect I know the person.

One funny thing - Kenyan says NO member of CE knows she logs in here (is that not being a member?) - Interesting that every member of CE thats supporting you here doesn't know you log in here.

If we talk now, they start the self righteous postulations. Lies have shorts legs, good in the NOW but bad very soon afterwards. Sensible damage control would have Kenyan disappear from NL; which I'm sure CE has so I'm sure she's not paid but just "spoiling" their name for "free" of her own violition!

^^^ Laughable! All of the above! Both of you! One preaches lies and the other follows me around slack-jawed 

When you fake healings and lie about it, unbelievers call "Believers" deluded jokers - Thats not my business, abi?

Which by the way, do you think is better - someone who says whats on his mind without guile OR someone who stagemanages miracles, enslaves people and gets rich off poor people? God is patient!

When you insult people, you use the language limits you possess. When others use their own vocab, you says insults are different from insults? Was I the one that stunted your education or intellect? And killing someone and adultery are different in God's sight, abi?

When you say an Apostle of Christ didn't know the "kingdom", you are a generation of what? Angels?? But when someone calls you to order, the person is a generation of vipers, abi?

Image123 has no life, topic, calling, desire or grammar except "tithe". Whats the point of replying a one way street?

BTW, do you really think you can come online, lie (even with $3, 500 and apologies in 5 national papers on the line) and make Christ out a fake like you, be unable to defend in the presence of unbelievers here and then say it is nobody's business? Because what? Talk!

The funniest thing you've ever said is that I admire your chris! I'm in a good mood so I prefer not to elaborate on that but consider - Is it the "great" reputation CE has, the amazing "truths" of name and claim, his marital life, the wonderful "healing school" miracles that the press or independent people cannot record, jeri curls or the Naira based life that I like most? Choose for me, dude - which do you think I love most?

How I wish you guys had a clue?

@Toluxa1:

Hold your head up. Nothing do you. God remains your strength

@Nuriel22 & Meyri:

Which are you? Its not Jesus BUT US CHRISTIANS I seperate into two camps - those in it for God and Love and those who want the "moolah" now! All ought follow Jesus THE Risen Christ but He was one before the other! Do you now understand my point? You can see pepper has found its target with some already!

@e36991:

Nokia X6. Been wondering how to get one on it for a long while. Whats been happening to you?

@DeepSight:

You get answers WHEN YOU WANT answers, [size=3pt]not an avenue to show the effects of blanking your mind and allowing rubbish enter and build a foundation in eastern mysticism which shows everytime you type[/size]

Wow!

You can use it while I cannot!  

Elementary, my dear Watson DeepSight, elementary! - My use is "grammatical", rather than factual. I am exposing to all reading that there exists and I see the "trick" you hope to use to turn the tide your way. When it comes to specifics, the entire scripture is one seamless expose which does not contradict but complements.

I'm sorry but you're not in court where the better argument/presentation/research wins. We're talking about truth here which, whether improbable or not(in YOUR estimation), remains truth. Remember "The difference between fact and fiction is that fiction has to make sense". Sit on that!

Insincerity and your "defence" of self etal

When I say you suggest, you say "Can you not see clearly? ? ?  " suggesting you are right and me wrong

Then I say you assert and you continue AND assert " You are declaring verses I point out in the bible to be wrong/ misconceived notions WITHIN THE BIBLE!" thus speaking on my behalf. Actually its worse cos you're signing as me, speaking as me, decided to think for me!

And of course, to conclude, you pause to announce "You thus infer that the book is inconsistent and not credible! – Thus winding up agreeing comprehensively with what I earlier stated!" suggesting, asserting and concluding all in one very annoying sentence that starts with white and ends at black. Maybe I'm supposed to clap yet remember I once stopped debating with you because of this tendency. Very ___

Following which of course, you play the injured/assaulted party, when you deliberately misintepret my statement to infer I said you're dubious. Ha, pele DeepSight, leave the bad Nuclear jare!  I said you clutch at strawmen, revisit issues already beaten to death, repeatedly infer, conclude, interpret starting and ending at opposite ends of the spectrum - all of which FILL the post I'm replying to! Its like trying to bore/irritate/annoy your perceived opponent to death! You remind me of those who say when they criticise, its constructive but when criticised, the other party is devilish! And them saying its so makes them right! 

There's no point responding to the rest of your "typing". Frankly, I see nothing here except a rehash of issues killed and buried (oh yes, you believe in reincarnation and endless endings  ) and recitations and statements I rather wouldn't comment upon - they amaze me!

Take for instance, the following "Almighty God in human form must per force be a cut above ordinary humans" another assertion and conclusion preceded by the emphasized ALMIGHTY suggesting amazement; which is just saying Almighty God as a human must NOT be human.  Comprehende? How does one argue with that? and what would be the point of such? I'd rather jog 30 miles carrying idi-amin's dead corpse

@kunle:

Truth cannot be changed no matter how well you present error.

Interestingly, I was responding to them when I saw a reply had been pasted.

Before that, let me point out your insincerity - YOU state "It is dangerous for you to peddle such an argument because the summation will be that there is nothing that can be trusted in your scriptures, yes?" when it was you that tried to use that argument against me. When turned against you, you now realise that it tends towards "a summation". Physician, heal thyself first!

Your accusations of insincerity of all aside yourself, are famous throughout the land. First you suggest, then you assert and finally you conclude it is a given ALL BY YOURSELF. I wonder if you practise in front of a mirror. Me, I have always remained steadfast in my beliefs and claims and would like you to show otherwise. Your NL history on the other hand, shows a tendency to clutch at straws to advance your "current" position.

The prayer in Gethsemane is something we have thrashed over and over. Here's the flesh and here's the "Spirit" i.e. the person under. The flesh is and always was the limiting factor. At Gethsemane, that flesh cries out. One thing I wonder at - has any of you so called critics ever asked yourself why would the Bible include such an obvious weakness? It doesn't make sense, does it, except IF IT IS NOT A WEAKNESS but rather a confirmation that this was a fully divine human! Think about that!

Jesus cry on the cross was explained to you by InesQor as Christ reading a prophetic psalm and I remember you saying it was the best explanation you ever heard. Bringing it up here again is of what purpose? To fill white space? Frankly, its saddening and unworthy. Thats a sample of your NL history of "dud targets": anything to get in a word.

How does a prayer for forgiveness for PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO translate into God not wanting the "death"? Was it if they knew what they were doing that would have helped your cause Find something real to say, Deep?

The Betrayer was cursed from long before; prior to what you're dancing over. Again, we are looking at Him fulfilling/confirming a prophecy. Those who studied the scriptures would know this was He that had been spoken of. As InesQor has brilliantly explained so often to you, Jesus was an actor in a role He Himself wrote. Again, you clutch at straws for this serves you no purpose.

Your last "point" amazes me as it wipes the ground with your nose. So you know Jesus stated He was not of this world? Yet you would desire His wish was to be stapled to Jerusalem for 2 millenia. When you add His other statements about His purpose(s), what does that all suggest if not that He came for a purpose and the fulfillment of such would restore Him to His proper place? At times, you puzzle me when you turn issues on their heads yet maintain a straight face. How do you manage it?

But of course, you already foresaw your arguments being negated when you sang I'd be able to find reason against it. I on my part, know YOU CAN NOT FIND REASON against truth. But I hasten to judge and would rather you trrrryyyyyyyyy

One day soon, I hope NL's Seun will be moved to an admission "IQ" test - at that point dude, good riddance!

@mazaje:

Concerning the position of the hebrews at the center of the world stage etc, I throw up my hands! You win! I think I was limiting the world to the "stage" in which Israel operated which was wrong. A re-think (guided by you and Pastor) reveals the myopic expanse of that view.

Picked the following up searching for that link (I know I can be a donkey atimes. Please don't be Balaam here)

There is actually some evidence that they were a people known as the Hyksos in Egypt, But they were not slaves they were fierce rulers, they had Hebrew names, and they were kicked out of Egypt at the beginning of the 18th dynasty. So there was an Exodus of these Hyksos and they are said to have robbed Egypt of all it's silver and gold and cattle and weapons on their way out. So there are similarities butween the two stories but one is an Egyptian account, and the other is a biblical account, Odly enough Tuthmosis III is the name of the king that expelled the Hyksos and it is ruffly the same name as Moses in the Egyptian language, Remamber that Moses was the adopted grandson of the Pharoah that rulled in his time.

There is no proof in either direction whether the Jews were in Egypt, but there is this Evidence of two stories that have many of the same elements, and the Roman historian Josephus Flavius who was a Jew states in his monumental writing that the Jews were infact the Hyksos.

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The word Jew came into existence after the Exodus. Meaning, it's like asking if Rome had French slaves, knowing France came about well after Rome was destroyed.

If you are referring to Hebrew slaves: Yes, there is some evidence.

- There is a reference in ancient Egyptian documents to a Semitic tribe captured by Pharaoh and forced to work on the city of Ramses.
- They found an entire city that would have been perfect for location and time period, although it is impossible to say whether or not this belonged to the Hebrews.

- A clay tablet lists groups of people who were captured by the Pharaohs and one of the groups was called Habiru.

There exists theories of how all the plagues could have occurred through a series of natural events. The link explains how these things would have occurred

You can read the entire proof/theories on the BBC site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/history/moses_1.shtml#section_3

WITH PARTICLAR REFERENCE TO THE SECTIONS TITLED

Were the Hebrews in Egypt? AND The tale of the basket[/quote]

Again, and in defence of your "preferred" worldview, you see one side and ignore the other.

If it is right as you say, that its human imprint has created many unfortunate misunderstandings, the Parable of the Vineyard and indeed, the other "examples" you offer are eqally guilty of your accusation and could be the mis- "included" (I'm sure you get my drift).

Still, and from the Christian perspective, Christs sacrifice was required. While you choose and pick, did you ever consider words from the first ever conflict between God and man i.e. God's Word to Eve concerning her seed which would "bruise" the serpent's head but would in turn, have the serpent, bruise his heel?

We take it from the beginning, bro, not intepret backwards to suit ourselves!

^^ Let there be peace, Sister.

These two are so obviously in love that I'm suprised no one else has noticed. Better to be criticised than ignored by those we love, ehn?

If I'm wrong, the red sea will part here ([size=5pt]but join again later, I'm sure[/size])

Let us continue to be simple and factual.

I'm sure you've had breakfast/lunch today. Is the meal you had today (the parable) the totality of the sustenance you've had in life

Remove that parable from the Bible and transport it to say, the Bhavagad and your assertion might be considered right becase it would in that case stand alone and be authority concerning the issue. However, the Bible is ONE story and not a mills and boon library of short stories. This point I have made earlier and I know you are aware of it. Just as you cannot take one incident in isolation as the sum of your life, it would be unreasonable to do same here.

Your point of view might well fit your desired world-view and that of your grail interpretation. However, from a Christian and Biblical point of view, it is insincere and lacking in truth. Find something else to support your desired affiliations

One lie is you telling SirJohn you would prove WITH AN XRAY, that someone had a hole in their heart (?) Then you later said they NEVER had the xray you'd promised. So why did you say you'd provide it when you knew it didn't exist? Liar, liar, pants on fire!

You words state you believe you have a right to judge someone as ignorant, arrogant and childish YET you say thats not insultive? Do you understand what an insult is? Or is it that you believe if its from you, its ok but directed at you, its an insult? 

You, a pastor says Jesus was an Apostle! See your life exposed! Christ was an Apostle  Then you say Paul said not to rebuke IN THE SAME post where you say you are right to judge ignorance and arrogance? Did you ever read of a Royal Priesthood with ONE HIGH PRIEST? But of course, its Joagbaje and CE doctrine so the Bible's High Priest is an Apostle like Paul (your own words) and the Bible's ONE Royal Priesthood has seniority divisions  You are a disgrace!

Then you say "it is not God's business what chris does with what God gave him"! Maybe thats because YOU THINK the person does not belong to God, no?

Bad belle for CE? There exists RCCG, Day Star, House on the Rock, Deeper Life, MFM etc. Churches some of which, are far larger than your CE and manned by humans just as CE. Only thing is, they accept they are human unlike you gods. But no, it is "fried yaks" that I have bad belle for? You're a joke! Tell you the truth, I laugh when he comes on TBN. So F A K E and oily looking too!

Naming another opinionated joker like yourself as your backer just ridicules you and shows how desperate you've become. And stop making yourself out to be the body of Christ. I do not ridicule Christ or His body. You are very different from either. Calling yourself a cadillac won't make you one.

Christ never faked anything. NEVER! There were always witnesses and not once do yo see anyone asking for proof he did something. He it was, who usually tempered down their celebration. Your side nko? I believe its possible people have received miracles at CE just as they could have anywhere else where God chose to meet them. For now, provide SirJohn with his report, then we'll talk.

You made the claims. We ask you to prove them and you say we are the liars.  FAKE!