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^^^ Ma'am:

I was actually thinking about my Lagos meet with Ilosiwaju Baba, and hopefully DeepSight. Your presence would just turn it into a celebration, I think and your conversation here shows such a meet would be indeed intellectually stimulating. "Ilosiwaju" alone na wonderment - all 3 of you = amazement.

Lord Viaro may (my spirit reads) have gone to another continent (or planet) to answer their prayers.  It would be reprehensible for mere mortals like moi, to question the dealings of the "lofty". We will await his grace 

Chei Mad_Max,

So you're a COW! How much abeg? me sef wan buy!

^^^ When some of us say it is the hypocrisy of most of the supposed MOGs that brings God's name to disrepute, people start to scream "why are you criticising?". This thread shows why - people use the followers to judge the followed.

Let one slowpoke now tell me "don't touch my anointed" and see me unleash the kind of remarks Christ unleashed on the pharisees, on him/her.

Idiots bringing God's Name to dust

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The problem with these blowhards is that they are totally sold out to hope. Their hope is that one day, it will be their turn for the MOGs' anointing to cause a miracle to happen in their lives. This translates to fear -

[1] fear that they may offend the MOG and thus, lose the "prophet's reward". Meanwhile, simpleton me thinks Christ's rewards outweighs prophet's rewards.
[2] fear that they may be wrong and we may be right - strike the thought at all costs so they defend against "chei, my hope is hopeless"
[3] fear that they may truly actually be required to do something by themselves. Its so much easier to ride on another's back
[4] fear that all they've insisted on believing for so long is wrong. What is worse than realising you've been deluding yourself for 10 years? I KNOW - it is realising you've been deluding yourself for 15 years (5 years after you first saw proof) 

Thats what happened with the mob who welcomed Jesus to town - HERE was finally the ONE who would save them from Rome. Two days later, it dawned on them it wasn't THAT KIND of "save" and by the third day, they blamed Him and brayed for His blood. Donkeys then and still donkeys now: BUT Balaam's donkey would have kicked me if it heard me compare it to them 

You are very right but still, was everyone buying and selling in the Temple area?

Thats why it says "by their fruit, ye shall know them". Many a time have we seen Christians saying they prefer to deal with those of other faiths rather than "professing Christians" and that in fact, is why the bolded phrase arose.

Most "profess", but have no clue

Forgive me but this will take a while to think thru and compose an adequate response. I know where I'm going to but am considering how best to put it together.

Suffice it to say I see some similarities in my understanding to yours. However, big differences also exist. Gimme till tomorrow - family and less serious issues (even on NL) must be juggled at the same time and you're not one to easily recover from if my foot finds self in mouth  

Apologies

@Mad_Max: abi you fit join us too?

Hold on a sec while, DeepSight, while I check out your reservations and compose myself

^^^ Chairman Ilosiwaju  :

I'm here Bro, fine but not in Lagos. One hour away in Ibadan but thats not too much of an issue. I could drive down one Saturday and we talk - you drink your beer and I'll take Gin with Lemon (hold the Gin or maybe it will be hold the lemon  ) but I don't do beer. Twould be really nice and I can imagine DeepSight joining in - a day to remember it will be  

Let me know your timing and I'll definitely take a day off for that

Interesting question from a Pastor who has supposedly, read the Bible, not just Rhapsody (I'm pulling your leg, Joagbaje, but still, think it through ).

Exodus 7: 10 - 12 "So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs"

So the question, Pastor, is not if you believe in Magic but this - DO YOU EVEN BELIEVE THE BIBLE?

Following this, we need to remember - you cannot show me a fake 5, 000 (five thousand) Naira note because there's no original. In effect, if there was no real magic/occult, there wouldn't be fake! Same thing goes for Christianity - because there is the real thing, fakes abound!

This is very confusing- extremely very so much so and I needs must clear up the issues which make it so before I can respond.

HERE ON NL, over and over, I have read you, DeepSight, ridicule the idea of Jesus divinity. How come the "Carpenter" has now become "Lord of the Vineyard" or "Son of the husbandman"? Is this some sort of joke? Why not separate your argument(s) from those of "justcool" so we know what we are addressing here - I wouldn't want to strive knowing you've created a way out for yourself simply by you stating "that was justcools opinion and you know I'm deepsight".

Basically I'm saying "you can't play chess against me with Inesqor's brain". Except you agree with justcool in TOTALITY, strike the thought this will go further out of your mind.

I just wrote above (to Mad_MAX) that I don't argue well with remote controlled devices.

^^^ Awaiting your parable and even more important - your particular approach to it

@MAD_MAX:

It was a conversation which if you'll note, was populated by people who owned their own "selves" - that thing in a human which "thinks", "judges" and "decides" AND which is absent in most of the posters you find around here nowadays. Whist DeepSight does not share my beliefs, at least I know I am discussing with HIM.

Most times now, I find brains have been exchanged for lukewarm indomie noodles and bland MOG commentaries.

@InesQor:

In those days, I addressed you as Ma'am

Image123:
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The above misquote is any lie from the devil. Where is peter and where is paul? All these talk is just exhibition of the spirit of lucifer the proud. As usual you've simply picked what seems to suit you from scripture. You have no idea what it means to be a man after God's heart, how could you? You can't teach a dog to fly, the best he could try is to be a mascot bird. Sure he looks like a bird, he does look like a bird.

Another emotional defence based on love for MOG (and their cash and position before men) not God! No scriptural backing, just vague allusions to some supposed scriptural backing. And where does Lucifer the "proud" come into the matter?   man after God's heart? is that why they fleece the flock (i.e. as God fleeces His children?). Dog, Bird, Mascot?   What of lion and elephant? and "snake in the monkey shadow"?

Truth - Peter in those days was "the Man" - next "seemingly" to Jesus and named Cephas, the Rock on which the Church was built. Yet Paul, who never met Jesus and was converted long after Peter had started converting 3, 000 people AT ONCE and performing huge miracles; decided Peter did wrong and took it upon himself to correct Peter.

BECAUSE Peter truly had the Spirit of God, he looked at the matter, not at Paul and he accepted the error was his! That is the fact and it happened only because Peter had the Spirit of truth in him.

Do you/your MOGs?

TV01:
Sounds very plausible doesn't it? Please demonstrate from the bible where/when/how money is requird to preach the gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ. When He sent them "out with nowt", they took nothing. How was it funded?

Maybe you could put a figure on it. Could you perhaps "unitise" it, then attempt to "monetise" it. Say " a unit of gospel preaching" could be UGP the unit cost of preaching the gospel (UCPG). Pray tell us how money defends one preaching the gospel? Please post something with a little thought behind it.

I can't say I'm more spiritual than Jesus, no. But no one can show where Jesus talked about or spent money to preach the gospel?

God bless
TV

UGP as a function of UCPG! You wan kill dem? No wonder this thread has been "ignored"

for more clarity then, 1 Tim 3:1  -7 defines a Biblical Bishop - think about that and even if the "whole truth" doesn't show outside, we see the family life (or absence of it)   

Joagaje:

Why do you like telling such obvious lies?

You say Paul, Phinemon and Timothy were Pastors - OVER WHICH SPECIFIC FLOCK? BTW, Paul himself said "Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." 1 Tim 2:7. A PREACHER and an APOSTLE. Where is "Pastor" and which was his flock?

You say Paul was elder, Timothy was Sub-Elder, and there were junior sub-sub elders?  Scriptural backing please and DO NOT for one moment think you are yapping at one of your shakakakakatttamumble people. Give Scripture that relates to the issue not "rebuke not an elder" which had NO bearing on what we are talking about above.

Do you remember I once asked you if Moses was not your ideal so you too could feel only you had direct access to God? Now you prove me right when you say OT God  spoke to Moses. Can you show same in NT? This is a NEW PRIESTHOOD with only ONE HIGHPRIEST, Jesus the Christ! Any other senior priest? show me from the Bible! But you say each tribe had a leader in Israel? Which tribe are you from, Joagbaje? Oh I forgot, levite (tithes)!

Elders rule in Christianity, not fake levites that God repeats Mal 3 to even today

You always bring up Joanna etc ministering to Jesus - BUT you forget to mention the "gifts" you and pastor chris receive. Has anyone ever said such freewill gifts are wrong? ANSWER? Did anyone here on NL tell you the 20,000 or was it 25, 000 you said someone gave you recently was wrong? was that not ministering to you? Pastors not as well known as your pastor chris usually get GIFTS of checks exceeding 1 million Naira from individuals AND THAT IS GOOD! So why is it only money and ways to get more that is your wahala?

Whist we are still on the book of Timothy, it says in Chapter 3, verse 7 "Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." when speaking of a "bishop". You and your pastor himself - where is your good report without, with the fruit of agabas, mabells, jeri curls, healing schools, "take it and fall down then get up to fall again", training people to receive blessings of God etc that the earth is assaulted with daily? and with your twisted interpretations of the Bible.

IMO, the best example of someone who got something for free is King Solomon. God's Love and covenant with his father David gave solomon a headstart and his simple act of choosing Wisdom gave him finances beyond imagination. However, it is on record that he lost his fathers' kingdom due to the influence of "women" (worldly lusts) that the money he got as a "gift" gave to him.

Todays ministries are building universities their own members cannot afford to attend, buying air-time to spout irrelevancies on satellite tv and generally giving themselves a bad name (having wrong priority) all because they didn't pay the right price i.e. honest work, which brings clarity to purpose. In effect, pay ahead or you will pay in arrears!

I wonder if anyone can become a Rolls-Royce by saying He is (claiming it)!

Reflecting - this was quite a conversation.

Sad that NL has less of such nowadays

noetic16:
If I was 40, Jesoul would not take a second look at me . . . .

So thats why she never looked at me? I wonder what would happen if I change my age to 31?

@noetic16:

This is where you offer me a bribe so I don't stop the red carpet from leading to that imaginary altar

And this is the beauty of God - He uses such as kunle who the MOGs probably thought is nothing to free people from the bondage they imposed on them. Insults, threats and even violence will not stop truth no matter what they think. Not in Jesus day and NOT today!

The gates of hell will not prevail

^^^

I hope you are ready for what you are bringing upon yourself cos soon, they will say you too have a "devil" and are blaspheming against "men of God".

Lovely SCRIPTURAL analysis of what offends God But it won't matter to them and they won't even read to the end or try to understand who the little child is and who is receiving such and thus who is placing the stumbling block.

These are people who place pastors above God! And of course they forget who Peter was before Paul for Paul to have withstood him and said he was to be blamed.

^^^ Ahem "clears throat"

Dear D-Optimist:

Let me rephrase what you have written above so you see my point of view.


Verse 1  Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2  One man's faith allows him to eat everything tell lies, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables tries to be fair

Basically then, your MOGs faiths are weak, right? Is it the laity below them that then has strong faith? And their own type of faith allows lies, right? In the same vein, what you are saying is God HAS ACCEPTED them to continue "lying" for lucre? And of course, who am I to behave as the bereans and study the scriptures to show myself approved (which would mean Paul that praised the bereans was wrong, of course)! Or rather, even if I know the truth, why don't I keep quiet about it and allow people to be fooled?

Finally, since when did they agree that they are MY BROTHERS? I thought everyone has been saying they are MEN OF GOD above other men, whist simple me, not having a giant air-conditioned church, am a "devil", below other men? They reject that we are brothers and say they are higher, don't they? Joagbaje is living proof here on NL saying that they are above others, isn't he?

When you do wrong and misquote scripture for self-gain, you present a stumbling block yet are revered as a MOG! But when you try to correct such misquotes, you are THEN told you are a stumbling block.

PLeeeaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeee! Who is being fooled?  

As Ogajim said above "test every spirit"! For what purpose? ? To keep quiet and dance alone in glee that "I know a secret" and am dancing to it?

^^^ Know what?

That I use the internet and see obscene pictures or that you don't need airbags?

^^ Gross

Mouth , thingy and ass

Triple GROSS!

Noetic?

noetic16:
I am happily single . . .but would not mind a one-off with you (if thats you on your profile)

This reminds me of something that came to mind after I peeked once/twice/thrice/"you get the idea" at Tudor's picture -

@Tudor:

Did you ever consider asking your vehicles manufacturer for a refund on installed airbags in your vehicle? You definitely do not need them, do you?

I'm NOT suprised you are not suprised. It brings to mind recollections of when Pharisees believed it was Jesus who had "a devil". They were so deluded they couldn't see the image in the mirror

By the way, take a look at previous "issues" I've had on NL. I assure you even nopugeater had more of an effect than you did. At least, he is not lying against Christ and His Word whist claiming to be on Christs' side. He's just supporting what he was trained to believe in.

Keep your "sorrys" to yourself. I profit more if you stop the lying to others and allow God be Glorified rather than upholding men to the cost of God

Fair enough and I agree with all you've said

I just wanted your take on the cash part of riches and its importance in the gospel.

no problem

^^ You had time to say you "make that CLEAR" but not to "back it up"? But you've posted on other threads on NL (money based of course since that is what matters to you) (as usual without scriptural backing) though you're not free till "later in the week"?

Yorubas say an Ibadan LIAR says his witnesses are far away in Kano (after this page will have passed and been forgotten)

Empty head worshipping men like himself and money. Balaam's donkey would have refused to carry you 

Haven't you now shown who your daddy is? Child of THE liar of ages!

NOT one kobo for "Tudor"?

Thats unfair! Me, I sincerely believe Tudor is angry and sheit is right - read what these things they call MOGs are doing whist you have a real "true" desire for God and you too will be angry. Tudor has right in this!

Meanwhile you should take a look at that profile pic ( ) again It gives 9 shocks to the system - same as Pastor AIO's "Shango" effect. That picture will tame you totally. Experiencing the reality will likely make you go deaf, dumb and blind together yet singing "halleluyah, hosannah iye" and thinking you entered fidhauth al-jannah whist still alive and 72 just worked you over.

A trial Tudor will convince you

^^^ NICE, brother but not totally "on point" for my query!

Anyways, "HUMILITY" is the key, OR "LOVE"?

For if you truly LOVED, the contents of his wallet would mean little to you.

And true, Christ suffered poverty that we might be rich. How? Where? On earth? So why wasn't Peter Rich? Or Paul? or Stephen? Was Christs' suffering ineffective FOR them? For they suffered pain, poor health, humiliation and horrid death.

Brother, many of us are wealthy. I thank God I am amongst such but our wealth has to be directed for love IN THE KNOWLEDGE that God gives us so we can carry the burden of others who "time and chance" has not favored so well. That is the purpose of Christian wealth- to serve society!

Enough about men. I asked about the Gospel - ought it be about "cash" and earthly rewards?

^^^ That gazillion of dollars you spoke about sounds quite nice. Good for you and please remember the needy.

However, I'm not so sure your statement "we BOTH" are right is apt here for one stands for God whist the other is for the lucre establishment.

What concord has light and darkness? And just as the Pharisees said Christ had a devil, the establishment says "here's a devil" too.

I like poetry. who will teach me?

^^^ Hello there again:

missed you most of today though I peeped and saw you once but was on my way out then.

On "Image123", twould be nice if it was as you said but its not. The dude seems to believe he has unction to follow me around casting all manner of aspersions on my character and motives yet knowing nothing of it!

Again, I recap my position - I have NOTHING against giving. IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF TITHES AS THE BIBLE CONTAINS IT, and you decide to pay it, I have NOTHING against it. BUT IF you call yourself a Christian (or man of God) and you tell people that tithes (10%) are compulsory and non-payment means a "devourer" is against you and God is offended at you, then you are a thief and not likely Christian. If you preach that the giving of such is compulsory and must be to the church ALONE, you are a thief. That is non-negotiable with me because it is contrary to the Word. And ALL MEN are below/under the Word no matter who they are!

So why follow me around making inane statements like "whatever he says is wrong" or "satan is using him mightily" or calling me nuclearpapa. Is he looking for a surrogate dad? Are the ones he already calls "papa" and "daddy" not enough? I have had enough of it and I am not sorry to say the Bible is there for anyone to see how Jesus spoke to those who followed Him around looking for ways to trip Him up. And the terms the Apostles used to describe those who turned the Gospel to human gain are still there for us to see.

Banom, Toba, Deepsight, Chris, _ , _ , _ All on Jesoul alone Una wan kill am?

Toba, I suggest you take Tudor Very fitting for your temperament, I think. ([size=5pt]mehn, you don die be dat[/size])

DeepSight can take Michelin. I hope she doesn't look like the one they advertise on TV though

Chris, sorry but no show for you. You should have believed in Jesus if you wanted a wife here.