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Dragonking:
Seriously, so Saudi Arabia that is 100% Islamic country is no longer Islamic again now abi? I hail you sir. I always provide stat and fact to my claim, please provide us with links to prove yours.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Saudi_Arabia

Is just like saying all hausa-speaking northerners are Muslims or all easterners are Christians. Being 100% doesn't necessarily means that everyone is of that faith. Eg, Zamfara can be referred to as Islamic state because almost everything there is centred around Islam but there are Churches there and some of these churches are being attended by the indigenes. Which links do I need to give when google is ur friend. Simply search for non muslim Arabs and u will be surprised at what u will see.

dorox:
Before the influence of wester culture on Africa most women looked like this.
If you go to some villages even now you find some older women who have no problems with exposing their breasts

And that is what u want to go back to.

Dragonking:
Did you see me say that Christianity is in support of porn? Go and check www.arabianchicks.com and other similar Moslem websites and tell me if they are owned by Christians. SMH

That is where u got it wrong. Being an Arabian is not synonymous to being a muslim. Arab is a language not a religion. Reasonable number of Arabians even in Saudi Arabia are not Muslims, go and find out.

Stbottle:
I said it, backwardness is so much rooted in this religion.....left to this regularly regressive people the world as it stands will be made of huts and we'll still trek to where ever we are going....

Pls read the post below u.

Orikinla:
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Hausa Muslim girls don't need brothels and hotels since every corner of the street is enough to have sex daily.
Besides, they cannot afford to pay for brothels and hotels.
Hausa Muslim girls are the cheapest girlfriends and wives in Nigeria.[/size]

Hahhaha. Even the few among the Hausa Muslims that are prostitutes are living large and they have taste unlike those types that 10k is way too high to get them laid with a dog, go and find out. I thought the ability to offset the hotel bill is based on the number and financial strength of the costumers. Or is it based on where the ladies come from? Talking as if we are not watching. Attempting to paint black into white when it visible to anybody with even half an eye.

Orikinla:
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[size=20pt]Muslim girls are the most promiscuous in Nigeria.
Majority of them lose their virginity before 15 to older men.[/size].

Kikikikikiki. How many of them are in brothels and hotels nationwide? How many of them have been deported from other countries?

Natascha:
The German women look so toned, hot and sexy! God damnnnnn!

Well, the Egyptians looks like... Nothing.

I pity Muslim women, even have to look like tents while on the beach playing national sports. Inhibiting Culture, Chai!

She looks like nothing cos she is not out to advertise her body.

rabex123:
dats not the point..at least its a step to decency..dress naked or with bra and pant and behave like a saint Make we see.

Abi o.

Dragonking:
If watching porn is between them and the lord then wearing bikinis is also between them and the lord. Also, are women allowed to wear trousers in Islam? because these ladies did not just only wear trousers but the trousers were tight and their butt shape exposed.

'If watching porn is between them and the Lord then wearing bikinis is also between them and the Lord'. Yes, very true, but who is complaining? Are the Muslims complaining? Arguments like these come up because u Christians always complain of hijab and the Muslims are not even bothered about how u dress because that is entirely ur business. U call them masquerades, ninjas, etc but do they call u names for ur unclothedness? So why not just let them be since in any case, it is between everyone and his/her Lord?

Orikinla:
Decency is not by how you dress, but by how you behave..

Go to Obalende on Lagos Island and see how annoyingly loose Muslim girls are and spreading STDs.
Three sisters don't mind having sex with the same man without shame.
Having turns with him in the same compound!

While I agree that there are some indecent muslim girls, it will interest u to know that being a muslim is quite different from being hausa-speaking. Jos, in plateau state is predominantly hausa-speaking, but at the same time predominantly Christians.

Respect55:
They wear these things just to deceive people. I served in the north and I know of what I'm saying

To deceive people in what sense? A woman that covers her body to avoid harassment and the one that exposes hers to invite perverts, who is more inviting?

Dragonking:
The people producing it didn't come out to say their religion forbids it, but Muslims claim that Islam forbids pornography yet they are the ones that patronized porn videos the most.
Also, please tell us why these women are wearing trousers or does Islam permit women to wear trousers.

Okay, I understand, Christianity is in support of porn, is that what u are saying?

Dragonking:
Does Islam allow their women to wear trousers especially tight ones? Let's start from there.

I think it will make a lot of sense if u too can tellus what The Bible say about clothedness. See me see wahala o. U left the one that is practically naked and u are more interested in the one that is well dressed, although with some lapses. Hmmm.

SalomonKane:
If it was perfect how come your women aren't allowed to marry non moslem men? Isn't that favoritism in the first place?

Perfect my foot!.

But why would the non Muslims who already have the type of ladies they want be interested in marrying the types they condemn?

Rastaman28:
Oga go sleep, highest level of hypocrisy is when you put on hijab and trouser.

If wearing hijab and trousers is hypocrisy, then what can u say of wearing Pant and bra only?

totorimi:
Hypocrisy at its height, you cover your head and body yet you wear tight clothes revealing your hips and contours. Haba what type of people are these ones.

At least parts of the body is covered compared to the one that left nothing for imagination.

baby124:
Ok, I enjoy being nude and feeling the breeze. The natural breeze. Does that make me indecent or my mind evil? Nope! So please respect other's. That you choose to cover up does not make you more decent. Besides what exactly is the yardstick for decency and who created that?

Infact, if u like u may decide to walk in town completely naked. But the big question is were u ever challenged by any Muslim for being naked? So why are u getting unnecessarily interested in the other person who prefer to wear clothes?

adconline:
It's either my posts are above your the cognitive and logical abilities or you are just being obtuse.
I have engaged you to show me how prostitution has wrecked havoc on the whole
south.
I keep pointing to empirical and factual data, but you keep harping on anecdote and subjective experiences.
Show 11m prostitutes in the south, But I can show you 11m homeless and uneducated children
Show me 11m ritualists in the south, but I can show you 50m illiterates in the north.
You are in denial, because it's truth and you're not affected- that's the hardline posture of a typical successful northerner!!

Read ur response and relate it to the post u quoted, then tell me which tail or head u can make out of it. Is it not the relative socio-economic consequences of the identified social ills u were trying to highlight? Which one is 'show me this I can show u that' again? And what happened to my request in respect of compliance with grammatical rules in English language? This is why I said u are incoherent. Bros, I don't want to sound contemptuous and I'm tired of the needless circus. Bye.

CHANNELStv2020:
DON'T be deceived it not only my opinion just look at that comment I made I got almost 400 likes and lots of share which means within people privacies where they can't be identified they know it n believe it and are scared to say it,and don't be fooled islam increases not by convert i repeat never by convert but by birth rate (of course 1 man to 5 wives 18 children what do you expect?).

Guy, likes is not by the popularity of ur opinion. Even if u book space without writing anything, as long as u are among the first set of people to enter the thread, u will still gather likes and shares while the late comers with intelligent posts may end up without anything, go and find out.

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Sorry, I'll try to keep it simple for your understanding. Using data to explain some things in order to show a measurable difference could be quite complicated.
Back to your log of wood analogy. Accepted that prostitution is more prevalent in the south, but it has not stopped southerners from making developmental strides.
The biggest problem and threat in the north is having 11m kids without education, home, love and care roam the street of north; begging for food, alms and shelter.. These are 11m exploited and abused kids!!
Prostitution in the south is not rampant produce 11m child prostitutes. If Lagos has 10k prostitutes and Kano has 3 million kids who are homeless and abandoned, can't you see that you cannot compare 10k issues with 4 millions issues?? Also, most prostitutes are adult who knowingly engage in the business with their consent and conscience while kids do not have those choices.

Effects of having 11m homeless and educated kids in the north.
- breeding ground for Boko haram-
-over 200k of these kids have taken up arms with BH to wage war against northern citizens and Nigerians
-these kids and Boko haram have displaced over 2m people in the north (IDPs)
- these kids and BH have forced the govt to spend over $30bn in fighting terrorism; this could have been used in developing north and Naija
- these kids and BH have killed 1000s of northerners and Nigerians.
-northerners created these problems, but Naija money, lives, resources and properties have been used in fighting these problems. Over $30bn spent came from oil which belongs to south, so to the say to south don't worry about northern issues, but then demand that money from the south be used in tacking problems created by northerner is pure hypocrisy and sophisticated arrogance!

Now, can you in all honesty say that prostitution has caused similar problems in the south? The answer is no, unless you want tfalse equivalence again
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May I also request that u comply with the rules of English grammar as it makes ur point to be easily and clearly understood rather than giving me the problem of trying to decipher what u actually mean? Structures are also important, u need to work on that as well. Also, coherence will guide me to what exactly u are driving at. At one post u are saying one thing, the next post u are talking about a different thing entirely. Finally, I need quick response. Even if u are making consultation or carrying out research before u post, pls always do them fast cos it is getting boring already. With reference to which of the practices has the greater negative effect on the socio-economic state of Nigeria, this children may not be productive, but at least they don't grow up to become scammers, robbers, kidnappers, drug pushers, children traffickers etc. But just check out ur lifestyles, one cannot drive from Warri to PH with valuables in his possession. Yes , I quite agree that BH gets its recruits from these vulnerable children but can u furnish me with where the likes of IPOBS, NDA, OPC etc get their own from? Pls engage me in logical argument not all these beer parlour type, I'm getting bored already.

myshoe:
Nigeria Army is becoming very notorious for killing armless members of the public under Buhari's reign. The senseless murder of Shiite Muslims, IPOB, Niger Delta region comes to mind here. What a man or an organisation sow shall he/they reap. The worst is that after killing these armless person, the NA will lie against them.

Why not read the post first?

adconline:
U
I mentioned something like false equivalence being espoused by folks like you who know better, but choose to be wilfully ignorant.
In the south, there are no millions of children who are involved in sexual exploitation. What you see in Lagos is an anecdote , which doesbt happen anywhere in Lagos. You're likely to find a child hawker than a prostitute in Lagos . Let me put some numbers in perspective for you-11m kids would mean almost 60% of Lagos.. Unless you are saying that 60% of Lagosians are child-sex slave workers?
Now, southerners do not get enraged when child-trafficker and sexual offenders are prosecuted. You don't see southerners saying that finding justice for oppressed, is an affront to their culture and religion. Do you see southerners threatening
mob action if someone is brought to book? How many prominent figures in the south bother Xtians and Muslims have been implicated in some those cases you are referring to? But some northern big shots have been implicated in child marriage related cases.
If a million kids were being denied access to education in the south, people are going to talk openly and disturb the govt for that, but you are saying that not giving 11m kids access to education is better than killing kids in alleged rituals; so how many kids are killed in ritual every year in the south? Anothe false comparison!
Let's look the effect of not sending kids to school.
Highest literacy rate in the country
Hight infant mortality rate because uneducated child is more likely to end up in marriage of poverty
Highest maternal mortality rate because young women are pushed into marriage early
Highest poverty rate in the country because uneducated child is likely going to end up poor.
Over 100k kids and adult recruited by Boko Haram
Nigeria has spent over $30bn fighting BH because of disaster created by producing kids and not taking of them and you are comparing these to prostitution?
Please tell us how these "big logs" in the south have caused big problems in the south and destroyed Naija

Pls the vagueness and inconsistencies of ur write up is hindering me from understanding the point u are trying to make but let me write based on what I think u are trying to say but try as much as possible to make ur point very clear next time and pls be consistent. Back to topic, what exactly do u mean by 'false equivalence' even though u called it 'FALL equivalence' in the first case? U mention 11million children being out of school vis-a-vis a percentage of Lagos population. I don't understand the exact point of that line. But if u are trying to say that the number of children from the north that are out of school is 60% of Lagos population then first I will ask if u are comparing the entire north with Lagos alone. Infact, the point is not clear so pls I need clarification. But while doing that, be guided this way: I'm not disputing the fact that reasonable number of children are out of school. But despite this number that is out of school and the palpable poverty, it is only in the north u can go to the bank, withdraw 1m, WALK back home without thinking much about armed robbers. Even u can testify that a typical northerner residing in another state is contented with his petty trading and he doesn't unnecessarily hike the prices of his wares. This is why most of u prefer to patronise the retail business of the 'ab0ki man' in which he and ur fellow southerners compete for costumers. The northerners are just okay like that. Most security personnel bribe their ways not to be posted to the north because crime rate is very low, a situation that is not 'lucrative' for them. Protest or not whenever child traffickers are apprehended, it doesn't rule out the fact that this is a problem peculiar to those places. What this portrays is the total lack of regard for human beings in the society. A case of wild animal kingdom which is strictly survival of the fittest, animal eating fellow animal, no conscience, no sympathy. How to convert human beings or any other thing to money through whichever means to 'make it' is just the order of the day. Whether or not those human beings are blood relations (parents inclusive) is not even an issue. A human being is no longer worth 50k in the market. If I have just 50-100k and I need to buy a whole human being, I know where to go. Do u know the number of those girls dying on daily basis due to these activities? Go and solve those problems first (that is the proverbial log of wood in ur eye) because the northerners are busy solving their own problems too. How will u be overwhelmed by ur own problems but u are more interested in ur neighbour's own even though he doesn't give a damn about u? Northerners don't concern themselves with other people's problems when they are not done with their own.

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Just
Hypocrisy is equating child marriage with prostitution. What type of Islamic law do folks in UAE, Saudi and Qatar practice ? Does child marriage apply to rich and influential folks in the north? How many of their kids have been married when they were young?
Why is that only females can be wayward not males?
Why does your religion support confining women to marriage but not education?
How come your religion supports family and marriage, but doesn't support providing for them? How come we have 11m Almajiris not enrolled in school and being taken care of by the parents. Is ur Islam different from Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kuwait, Qatar.. All with high literacy and life expectancy
How does Aisha dressing portray her a bad Muslim when other Muslims in countries like UAE,Kuwait,Malaysia,Qatar dress like that?
What is the problem with Naija mob of adherents like you who feel that their religion has been insulted when Aisha is an ardent adherent? Are u saying that you know more about Islam than her?

OK I want to assume that this is the edited version. On the first line, I have responded although I noticed how u subtly ignored cases of children prostitution, underage girls being used as baby factories, child foreign sex slave etc. It will interest u to know that all the Islamic practices in Nigeria are derived from the Muslim Books and same applies all over the world. U are talking about other Islamic countries. But what u know about those countries is just that they are Islamic countries, nothing more nothing less. Certainly u don't know the age at which they marry but I can confidently tell that it is the same. Then most of the children of the rich and influential parents in Nigeria were married out when they were ripe for marriage in Islam but they continued with their education in their husband houses but u may not know because it is non of your business although there are few ones who don't marry until after school. Then the issue of parental care; it is a case of choosing the better of two devils and u will agree with me that it is better u don't give parental care due to poverty than selling out ur child who may be used for ritual or for any other sinister purpose. The new trend is selling of children for as low as 45k. OMG. You are also talking about who is more an adherent between Aisha and myself or who knows Islam better. Lol. This is the problem with people like u because u equate wealth and position to religious knowledge. In Islam, that is not the case. When it comes to Islamic practice, knowledge and commitment, Aisha seeks for advice from the more devoted and knowledgeable people around her. But why is it that u are not answering some of my questions regarding ur practices or is it that u don't have any reasonable explanation? Pls as u respond, endeavour to furnish me with explanations or at least a defence. U need to do something about that big log in ur eyes first before u think of the little pebble in your friend's eye. Concentrating on other people's issues when u have a heap of problems by ur doorstep.

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Just
Hypocrisy is equating child marriage with prostitution. What type of Islamic law do fils in UAE, Saudi and Qatar? Does child marriage apply to rich and influential folks in the north? How many of their kids have been married when they were young?
Why is that only females can be wayward not females?
Why does your religion support confining women to marriage but not education?
How come your religion supports family and marriage, but doesn't support providing for them? How come we have 11m Almajiris not enrolled in school and being taken care of by the parents. Is ur Islam different from Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kuwait, Qatar.. All with high literacy and life expectancy

Pls edit and post again cos it is not clear. Although the first line is clear and let me react to that. Except if the word 'hypocrisy' has changed its meaning but the last time I checked, what it means is; doing something secretly and condemning it in the public or words to that effect. I didn't equate child marriage with prostitution. But rather, it can be inferred from my post that child prostitution, child sex slavery and rape without conscience are more severe than marrying a girl who has attained puberty in which case it is even legitimised in Islam. Pls edit the rest and post again.

adconline:
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Yes, other regions have problems but not in comparison to the north, but enlightened folks like you dwell in denial and switch to fall equivalence mode by comparing child marriage with prostition while ignoring the fact that "consenting adults" engage in prostitution even though it's illegal, but children don't have the ability to consent.
Back to the topics, why is that off these problems facing north, the so called educated ones took to Twitter and social media ( all products of western and liberal countries) to attack the First Lady? It gives us insight into the mind of a typical Muslim- intolerant and linear in their interpretation of the of their Holy Book? Why can't they defer to the president first? He saw his wife and it was OK with him, who are u to judge her??

Let me tell u. We were all born and bred in different societies and we are, more often than not, inclined to view things based on the domineering norms and values of our respective societies. This explains the first paragraph of ur post. For instance, one of the most important responsibilities of a muslim parent is to ensure that his female children get married as soon as possible to avoid unpredictable cases of waywardness. This is because, islamically, the sins accrued from all acts of waywardness by the children prior to their marriages are to be borne by the parent. But this is not the case for the christians. Talking about consent due to age, I have been to places in the South like PH, Calabar, warri and I'm based in Lagos. In any case I stayed for at least 1yr. Sometimes, before getting a good place to lodge, I had to be in the hotel and I will tell u that I can't count the number of girls whose age can't be above 13 coming to pass nights with men. And there is every likelihood that these girls are going out with several men. Now, tell me, between the man that married a 13 yr old girl and the one that sleeps with her for 2k, who has a better intention for her? U can't be silently involved in an illegitimate act and at the same time be the noisiest in condemning same for a society which legitimises it. To me that is the height of hypocrisy. I don't want to talk about the uncountable cases of rape of children below 7, sometimes even by the so called Men of God. Still on consent; are u by any chance telling me that those underage girls being used for baby factories gave their consents? Or is it those that are even shipped to other countries for sex slavery that gave consents? We are fully aware of this lifestyle but we don't give a damn about it because that is your society. So why are the Christians making so much noise about the Muslims way of life when most of their lifestyles are even abominations before the Muslims and they (the Muslims) are quiet. On the issue of Mrs Buhari. Aisha Buhari is a muslim woman and by virtue of her position, she is (or at least should be) a role model to other Muslim ladies. For instance again, OBJ is a Yoruba man but as a president you will always see him dressed in Yoruba attire. Was he the president of Yoruba or is that the only Nigerian dress? No, but as an elder stateman, he should be a role model to the Yorubas more especially being the president. Same applies to other presidents. That her dress is entirely unislamic and she has not led by example. For God's Sake, this woman is a muslim and the Muslims say they are not satisfied with her dressing, is that a case for Christians? Or have the Muslims ever said or made any comment about the dressing of the Christian First Ladies? Haba, nawa o. On the issue of other existing problems, I will refer u back to my first response to u, I explained it there and if u have any problem with my explanation then be specific just the way u are specific on early childhood marriage. Also, are u expecting the president to go on air and announce his disapproval of his wife's dressing or where did he tell u that he was OK. The president is a muslim and the Muslim community has drawn his attention to that dressing which is a disgrace to Islam.

2odd:
To a lesser extent, a similar situation has prevailed in Kano, at least in the state capital. While predominantly Muslim, Kano State has a significant minority of other groups. Alcohol has been sold openly in some areas, for example in the area known as Sabon Gari which is populated mostly by people who are neither Muslims nor northerners. However, in May 2004, it was reported that a new law outlawing the consumption of alcohol throughout Kano State, even for Christians, had been passed by the Kano State house of assembly.

The question is; which Christian was tried according to Sharia Law? Even with the said law against the consumption of alcohol, was any non muslim arrested and tried according to the Islamic law? Regarding the Act against consumption of alcohol, then I must tell u that no Christain will be arrested for its consumption. And if u need to buy, u can always get it from the nearest military barracks. Or are u telling me that since the law was passed, nobody has taken alcohol in Kano? Certainly, u can't tell me that because I'm a northerner.

Lightening:
Pls try and be civil in your comments. Both Christians and Muslims pray at assemblies in every mixed-faith school. Wearing hijab is pure religious. It is an identity thing which is misplaced in a secular institution.

So because they are in mixed schools, they must dress according to the dress code of the other religion? Why not the other way round? The Muslims say they want to wear hijab and they are not forcing it on anybody, so what exactly is the problem? If u talk about identity, shouldn't one be proud to be identified with his religion? Moreover, the CAN president said the Christians will continue to wear church gowns, is anybody protesting against that? So what exactly is the problem?

Lightening:
You Muslims don't care yet a Muslim state governor is spearheading the alteration of Christian religious doctrines and teachings? Are you sure of what you are saying?

It is a very simple case. The dress code in schools today conforms to the Christain mode of dressing but against that of Muslims. The Muslims are saying that they want to dress according to Islamic dictates, how is this a case for God's Sake. Must they dress like christians? Haba nawa o.

2odd:
The issue is this ,if a Christian committed an offence in a state that practices sharia would he not be judge according to this laws . Would a muslim lady that goes to a catholic boarding not observe the traditions there. ?. Its all about tolerance. You must accept that other people opinion will defer from urs. Was it not here we saw sultan urging Muslim community to deal with anybody that stops them from worshipping. ??

Pls can u mention a particular case anywhere in Nigeria in which a non muslim was tried according to Sharia Law?

lovat:
Mohammed the pedophile

Since u were born, have ever come across any Muslim, either online or offline, that say anything bad against Jesus Christ? This is the problem and u will turn around to start accusing the Muslims of intolerance. This is how u will be saying it until one day u will forget that u are offline and repeat it in the presence Muslims and when they react, nobody will know exactly what u did. Hmmm.

tbaba1234:
The hijab is not a mosque cloth. Women wear it every where. The courts have already affirmed their right to wear it.

In the US, muslim women wear their hijab everywhere including school.

This CAN president is showing religious intolerance.

The funniest thing is that even the Muslim community is happy with that development if they can sustain it. The Muslims never attempted to stop anybody from wearing clothes that cover the whole body, but on the contrary, that is what they want but they can't force it on anybody. It is the Islamic way of dressing and they have learnt it right from childhood but if CAN want everybody to start wearing similar dress, fine.

Assuming u refused to turn him back and he keeps haunting u in ur dreams. I know some will even kill their parents for this but considering the transient nature of life it is not worth it for even a corpse.