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Truthman here is your answer.

RoyPCain: then God created Adam from [size=14pt] something [/size] [in this case the earth and water], which really means that Adam was nothing and was created out of nothing, since the [size=15pt] something that Adam was created from [/size]

this man just did your job for you, he has just said man was created from something in contrast to what his quran says.

[I just love muslims like Roypcain and Lanrexlan, they make your job easier for you]

Could Muhammed be the comforter promised in John 14:16. muslims are so hillarious. They cant give a rebuttall on this one. See how you can finally silence them on this matter in this post.
www.nairaland.com/1242521/lagosshai-vedaxcool-thaba1234-others-muhammad

the poster of that thread was brilliant

BizBloke: LOL. As it is! We no dey 'fight' sha.

am wt u bro. no fighting

BizBloke: Unfortunately, I write want I want, not what you want, so it's good you dropped your expectation.

aha, it is only human to try to balance things. when someone tells you the advantage of something,courtsy demands he also tell u d disadvantage.
when u post thnings Jesus did not say its only natural to expect things he said ok then before u begin with things the bible said and the you can now graduate to things the bible did not say. or else you will be percived as being biased, looking at only one side of the coin
#bro,the last time i checked. it was a free world. do your thing

we were expecting things Jesus said. now u are posting things the bible said.
#anyways, hope its turns out to b a gud one

i wish i cud speak to the guy. he should just know tht wts hapenin is simply endtme prophecies[color=#000099][/color]

if they like they should give them amnesty or presidential pardon.my own is that 4 every such action they must compensate every person dt ws killed Ida by way of resurrectin them or compensating their families nd every church dt wasr burnt must be rebuilt be4 any amnesty is granted anybody . anytn less tan dis is tantamount to rewarding evil nd mark my words be ready to give amnesty or presidential pardon to EVERY subseqent group of such nature.....jambs. waec

@ Bayo pls is it true that the requirement for As as and Bs must be met by all, that is both masters and phd

pls does anyone know where fstc is in uyo and what it means, thanks

The Quran presents criteria to distinguish the true God from false gods.

Is He then Who creates like him who does not create? Do you not then mind?... And those whom they call on besides Allah have not created anything while they are themselves created; Dead (are they), not living, and they know not when they shall be raised. S. 16:17, 20-21 Shakir

And they have taken besides Him gods, who do not create anything while they are themselves created, and they control not for themselves any harm or profit, and they control not death nor life, nor raising (the dead) to life. S. 25:3 Shakir

These preceding passages state that:
The objects which others call upon besides God (i.e., whether other gods, angels, and/or individuals) have not created anything.
These objects cannot bring death, cause life, or resurrect.
These objects of worship are dead.

Which implies that:
God is the Creator.
God is the Source of Life.
God is ever-Living.
The Lord Jesus fits the criteria given in the Quran which demonstrates true Deity (i.e., the Creator, the Source of Life, and ever-Living). Christians are therefore justified in worshiping him as their sovereign Lord.

of Israel (saying), that I have come to you, with a sign from God, namely, that I will CREATE for you out of clay (annee AKHLUQU lakum mina ALTTEENI) as though it were the form of a bird, and I will blow thereon and it shall become a bird by God's permission; and I will heal the blind from birth, and lepers; and I will bring the dead to life by God's permission; and I will tell you what you eat and what ye store up in your houses. Verily, in that is a sign for you if ye be believers. S. 3:49 Palmer

When God shall say, O Jesus son of Mary, remember my favour towards thee, and towards thy mother; when I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, that thou shouldest speak unto men in the cradle, and when thou wast grown up; and when I taught thee the scripture, and wisdom, and the law, and the gospel; and when thou didst CREATE of clay (wa-ith TAKHLUQU mina ALTTEENI) as it were the figure of a bird, by my permission, and didst breathe thereon, and it became a bird by my permission; and thou didst heal one blind from his birth, and the leper, by my permission; and when thou didst bring forth the dead [from their graves], by my permission; and when I with-held the children of Israel from [killing] thee, when thou hadst come unto them with evident [miracles], and such of them as believed not, said, this is nothing but manifest sorcery. S. 5:110 Sale

These two passages demonstrate that Christ has the breath of life and can create in exactly the same way God creates:

HE it is Who created you from clay (Huwa allathee KHALAQAKUM min TEENIN) and then HE decreed a term. And there is another term fixed with HIM. Yet you doubt. S. 6:2 Y. Ali

Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay (innee KHALIQUN basharan min TEENIN): When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." S. 38:71-72 Y. Ali
Note the connection between God breathing his Spirit into man with Christ being strengthened with the Holy Spirit, breathing life into clay birds and resurrecting the dead. And also notice that Christ created a living bird from clay just as God created man from clay. These passages therefore teach that Christ had the same life-giving Spirit of God!
In fact, according to one Salafi Muslim site the word for create (khalaqa) refers to creating something from nothing, an act which only God can perform:

Imam al-Bukhari reported in his Saheeh from Abu Sa`eed (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allah be upon Him) said: "There is no created being but Allah created it." In Arabic, the word "khalaqa" means to make out of nothing, which is something that ONLY ALLAH CAN DO; it is impossible for anyone except Allah to do this. It also carries the meaning of decreeing or foreordaining. [**]

See Fath al-Bari Sharh Saheeh al-Bukhari, 13/390. (439: Evidence that only Allah is the Creator of life
; bold and capital emphasis ours)

But this very same word is applied to Christ which means, at least according to the above position, that Jesus must be God! Note how this works out logically:
God alone can create out of nothing (i.e. the literal meaning of khalaqa).
Khalaqa is applied to Jesus.
Therefore, Jesus must be God according to Islam.

The Quran also implies that Christ is alive in heaven:

And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so I will decide between you concerning that in which you differed. S. 3:55 Shakir

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; - S. 4:157-158 Y. Ali

Orthodox Islam has generally understood these passages to mean that Christ was taken alive into heaven, into the very presence of God himself.
we are left with the conclusion that:
Jesus creates in the same way God creates.
Jesus gives life in the same way God gives life.
Jesus is alive in heaven.

Therefore, the Quran clearly shows that the Lord Jesus fits the description of God, fulfilling the very criteria which demonstrates that Christ is indeed very God.

the Quran attributes titles, qualities and functions to Christ which shows that he is indeed God. Other titles given to Christ which affirm his essential Deity include the Word of God and a Spirit from God (cf. 3:39, 45; 4:171).

A Muslim may say that Jesus was given the ability to create and give life by God, just as the passages themselves state. He didn't have this ability within himself. This response doesn't negate the statement, but only pushes it a step further.

Why would God grant Jesus the abilities and characteristics of Deity? Why is God permitting Jesus to perfectly fit the description and fulfill the criteria which places one within the category of God?

Second, the expression "by God's permission" doesn't necessarily mean that Christ was given abilities he did not already have. The statements can be understood in light of the biblical teaching that Christ did nothing on his own initiative, but did everything in perfect union with his Father's will. (cf. John 5:16-30)

In other words, the Quranic expression simply implies that Christ only exercised his divine prerogatives in accordance with the decree of God, never acting on his own behest or initiative. It need not deny that Christ always had these divine attributes and characteristics

i admire Sanusi's impetus to speak on such sensitive matters especially in public but one wonders why this is coming at this time or did the scales just recently fall off his eyes. as cbn govrnor i expect him to have been agaisnt this right frm his onset as governor. anyway its better late than never.and i earnestly hope fg listens.

i think chrismas wud b pagan if on 25th u see people bowing down to idols or maybe santa or sayin somtin like "sun god we hail thee'.but u dont find this anywhere.d central message is d birth of Jesus. secondly d fact dat my village people celebrate thier festival on a particular date does not make it enough reason not to celebrate any christian festival.dey dont have a right to monopolize that day.Nobody argues that Jesus was not born on christmas day but wat is wrong with celebrating d birth of someone especially someone great. my only concern wish is dat many who celebrate christmas may actually know Jesus for themselves

@ op inferring frm ur question u r trying to say the people go to church because they think church will save them frm hell. now u shud no tht goin to church for the purpose of that does nt save some one frm hell. so whether people think that goin to church wil svae them frm hell or nt. som wl find demselves there. its whether theyve bin saved. thank u

true talk. religion is routine, do this and dnt do this.but one who follows after christ is one yielded to and led by the holy spirit john 1:12.

@ ooman
I will wait till you all rot in the hell your God has prepared for you called paradise.

somhow ds statement shows dt u beliv in a hell,and in God only dt u deny him.one wd hv expetd ur reply to be somtn like ds: "i wish u wake up ffrm ur ilusion or somtn like dt". u shd nt hv mentioned ur desire to wait 4 somtn u dd nt beliv exist. tnk u

hey nairalanders let us call a spade a spade. if its true dt some moslems celbrated d death of d Yakowa. then dat is wrong.if some christians celbrated d death of Yar adua then dt is wrong.irespective of motive. stop defending wrongdoins rather let us simply say"it is right or wrong shikena".
and also if christians or moslems still hinge political positions on whether the person is a moslem or a christian instead of character,vision and capabilty to deliver good results then the chances of progress in ds country is very very slim. i rest my case

absolutely true

pls people, any news about uniuyo postgraduate admission. thanks

Excelboi: What is their gain if they indulge in calling muslims name? They are playing a dangerous game. When trouble start naw,they should remember they caused it all.

I beg ur pardon, who caused it all.boko haram or d people callin names or the scriptural quotations that motivate boko haram or d inocent people dat die

pls lagosboy and oda muslims can u explain these verses q9:5, Q8:5,12, Q8:39 especialy 8:39

[quote author=tiarabubu]@ OP

Your anger about the terms such as "Islamist" or "terrorist" are understandable. However, your anger can be best directed if you know the facts of the matter.

When terror acts are committed in the name of a religion, or to further a religious cause, or in defense of a religion, the world will appropriately term it such. However, you cannot term acts that have not being committed to further a religious cause, or in defense of a religion so.

Consider that Gen Abacha, a Muslim, stole money, ordered people killed, made his men organized bombing that innocents were framed. Has anybody called him an Islamist terrorist? Major Al Mustapha was the director of the terror squad then - has anybody called him an Islamic terrorist? NO. Because his actions were not to further a religious cause. There are thousands of examples where people do criminal acts not because of religious motivation and nobody labels them as such. There are appropriate terms for them such Juntas, kleptomaniacs, anarchist, despots etc and these are used quite often enough.



Now consider others who carry out crimes and quote scriptures to justify their acts, or make clear their aim to create some puritan religious society while carrying out cleansing usually directed at people of other faiths. Do you really think that the world will try to be politically correct to such? Oh no.....


Now that you know, direct your energies at countering such dangerous and despicable acts some people carry out in the name of God and give Islam a bad name. Whining about this real and present danger to all will only make you part of the problem.[/quote
Ably seconded.intelligent write up

Salamalekun.if islam believes in one God.y does d Quran sometimes use the pronoun "we" to refer to Allah when he speaks"wt does d "we" signify. Clarification needed urgently tnk u.

am very shy in d midst of people

Please Nairalanders, must one go for NYSC. I just finished and I am contemplating boycotting it. My reasons being the security issues related to it.

Two, I dont know how productive or beneficial it is to me or the community. Does one get to develop onesef there or is it all suffer.

Please I need to know. I want to be useful to mysef and to my country but dont know if NYSC provides the environment for that.

Ex-corp members please i need your advise on this one. thank you

i love wat jarus said

thanks Javachief

I appreciate all your comments. you all recommend self study. but how do one go about it.