macof:
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There are many theories of origin... All of which have been put through scrutiny and all failed to stand the very basic levels of historical scrutiny

You are simply trying to be careful here, best you let out exactly what you mean. A lot of migration in ancient times can mean anything
And there are several factors to be considered from time length of migration, to migration pattern to size of migration and so much more

You seem to want to suggest that middle eastern people migrated into Yorùbáland.
Whether I agree or not is largely insignificant right now but the aforementioned factors are obviously not considered. So let me use this analogy :
There has been an increased number of middle eastern migrants in Europe. So therefore Europeans are from the middle East?

What is wrong with Middle eastern migration ...Have you heard of Aryan race ?... Even European embrace their Aryan race migration from Northern India ...You are bent on Bantu origin ..

macof:

When you deranged fellows have nothing else to say you start questioning the pedigree and identity of someone who is far far far more Yoruba than all of you put together.
Lets get this straight, if anyone's Yorubaness is to be questioned it is you. You don't even know who you are or where you come from
Your utter ignorance of the simplest Yoruba facts and deep Hebrew/Arab worship is unlike a Yoruba person

You all have only one thing to do and that is :
Provide evidence for your claims

Stick to that and stop asking foolish questions

can't blame you .macof Pavlovian conditioning "" ..you are trying so hard to hold on to the precious junks you've used your years to accumulate you somuch pride yourself in the knowledge you've accumulated over the years .Mr macof knowledge is not static ,is dynamic ..to learn new things you have to believe you know nothing. you don't have a time machine to confirm you are right . I don't believe all Hebrew link to yoruba, because i believe ile-ife cosmology and yoruba tradition ile-ife epicenter of the world the source of human race but i don't want to drown myself in the believe doing so i will be limiting my mind at the same time i make use of my rational mind ......,Mr Macof who are the the Hausa, Fulani , Dogon Senegalese ,Soninke ..

Olu317:
. Lol

Macof is definitely not yoruba he would be considered a brother if here were edo but if his ibo i don't dine with bantus

macof:
lmao. You brought it on your self by involving Edo people in your trashy delusions of middle eastern origin
And frankly speaking, the guy in question as much a nuisance as he can be is sane, you lot on the other hand require medical attention

macof are you ibo or edo

Bantu man macof you've invited your grayboy here finally . that is why i don't talk with bantus ..we are here to learn not trash talking

i knew long ago that macof is not yoruba man useless impostor with his graypig friend they will spoil this forum with their vile mind ..

macof:




So in summary :
Odùduwà came from Ile-ife in Edom(modern day Jordan) to Ilé-Ifè in Nigeria and the Edomites migrated to Edo (modern day Nigeria)
So when the Edo say Oduduwa came from Edo, they are not so wrong because they actually mean he came from their former home in Edom



How can't you see the bullshit in this? Are you really that insane?

Do you not think of the implications of this?
1. Edo originate from present day Jordan
2. There is/was an "Ilé-Ifè" in Jordan

How do you bring this into consistency with reality?

Let me bring in some Edo people here, make them see wetin dey happen
Osagyefo98, davidnazee, gregyboy, Efesogie,

No need to invite your friends here ...

macof:


Lmao. This is how you go about desperately trying to connect anything to your Hebrew agenda mentioning Israel every opportunity you get

Some scholars speak of multiple era Ife on the same site mentioning Ife Ooyelagbo and Ife Oodaye
Some speak of multiple Ife on different sites across the Volta-Niger region.. Citing places like Amedzofe and Ife Abejukolo


This is a very deep topic, such that you are too unequipped and blinded by your urge to connect anything to your masters in Israel to actually realize the true implications of these suggestions (should they be true)

I personally have defended both suggestions

I am also aware of the claim of your little band here on NL who claim Niniveh is Ife
I'm sure this one you like, because it connects ife to the middle East
But no renowned scholar is of this opinion, neither is there any basis for such suggestion

Show evidence for which information? Be specific and while you prepare your specifics
You still have not addressed the fact that in Yorùbá traditions Ife is the foundation of our civilization and humanity at large
Whether this be inconsistent with current Paleoanthropologic knowledge or not is not the point,
The point is that Yoruba belive Ife is their origin

You would have to provide evidence that said ife is in the middle East

Citing places like Amedzofe and Ife Abejukolo tell me more about this places ... Amedzofe Ghana Ashanti ... Ife Abejukolo Igala

we need anthropologist to contribute to this forum ..Africans are not the same we are so diverse.. different group evolve differently ..But white will try to merge us all up to tag us as savage ..

my ancestors will raise from their graves and swear for anyone that dare call them Bantus because they detest it with passion

who are the Hausa , Bornu.. Senegal and Fulani, Dogon , soninke....Macof please i need your expertise i believe you are historian

yoruba are not Bantu ..Bantu are naked people their thought process is different from us

who are the Hausa , Bornu.. Senegal and Fulani, Dogon , soninke

yoruba...

macof:


Common sense and comprehension is so far away from you
Smh
So you read and understood that "Yoruba are Bantu" from my post?? How? Where?

laughing quick to fire the shot i knew where you are driving at ...so we are not bantu ...You believe you are historian please i need to know Fulani origin and Hausa origin ..Bornu origin ..and Senegal

macof:



There is so much work to be done on African history sure but you don't go around with crazy imaginative constructions. This feeling of inferiority is such a pitiful consequence of the anti African/anti Black propaganda that the world has used to justify their atrocities... Propaganda also carried and maintained through Islam and Christianity brought to our lands
Africans are the only ones who want to be anything but what they are
Not just these particular 3 or 4 guys over the Yoruba
Thousands maybe Millions of igbos will swear they are Hebrews... You have such people among the Akan, Ewe and the Bantu groups too


It's like it's a shame to have African origin
As much as it is obvious that these bands of Hebrew and Arab wannabes all over the Internet do this out of self hate and inferiority complex as Africans in contrast to the great admiration for Hebrews, Arabs and the likes from that region

The major problem here with anyone pushing this is actually their lack of scholarship, lack of expertise on both West African and Levantine civilizations

Africa is a diverse continent Different race with different back ground

macof:



There is so much work to be done on African history sure but you don't go around with crazy imaginative constructions. This feeling of inferiority is such a pitiful consequence of the anti African/anti Black propaganda that the world has used to justify their atrocities... Propaganda also carried and maintained through Islam and Christianity brought to our lands
Africans are the only ones who want to be anything but what they are
Not just these particular 3 or 4 guys over the Yoruba
Thousands maybe Millions of igbos will swear they are Hebrews... You have such people among the Akan, Ewe and the Bantu groups too


It's like it's a shame to have African origin
As much as it is obvious that these bands of Hebrew and Arab wannabes all over the Internet do this out of self hate and inferiority complex as Africans in contrast to the great admiration for Hebrews, Arabs and the likes from that region

The major problem here with anyone pushing this is actually their lack of scholarship, lack of expertise on both West African and Levantine civilizations

Yoruba are not bantu ..

kayfra:


And who told you we couldn't have developed all that awesome cultural stuff mostly on our own and why do we have to appropriate other perceived advanced races to justify our own advancement?

Why the self loathing and hate?

advance race .. look how daft you are ..you've been taught to believe we are not advance . you need to study yoruba race first ..Yoruba is different .. The problem you people have, is trying to merge us together with other tribes or aborigine of the forest... when our forefathers boldly pride themselves as superior and different from their neighbors Also forbid any link with their neighbors ,To them anyone outside yoruba race is not human

nlPoster:


Do you know of any?

Subsaharan African history is verbal oratory.

Writing system has always been an outside influence because we dont believe it should be ephemeral.

Subsaharan rubbish you read in the books has beclouded your brain .you are dancing to the string of your puppeteer the white race ..we were keeping written records before the Europeans okay .. do more research. phonetic writing/sound system started from Sudan

gregyboy:



Happy new yr


Is called olokun not olukun

Orimyan didn't stay upto delivery of the child oromiyan was a Benin Prince from ife
He carried the ogiso bloodline that why he was invited if he difnt we could have let ogiemen continue as king
The truth is only fellow Yoruba's like you that is buying all this lies to claim oduduwa yoruba when he is benin, we know the tiny benin people messed your beautiful history up but there is no need to denial it...
Atleast yorubas have a edge over edo peoole now to have a better history instead of rewriting the past that cant be changed
Yea we gave ife king benins didnt loose their religion to Europeans over the years they traded with them but yorubas lost thiers with little influence from outsiders that can only happen if they didnt originally own the language


Happy new yr again

how old are you ..trying to change the history of your forefathers you can knack your head for ground na you sabi...

Bunch of fools.. you all know the truth ..keep deceiving yourself equating a jungle kingdom with a well civilized empire like OYO..

Yujin:

Lol at ancestral lineage stool. Oba Akiolu knows his ancestry and it's neither Oyo nor Ife. Imagine the distance from Benin to Eko. Lol. You can only sell this your story to those who don't know history.

akiolu is not even a lagosian his mom was not him ..his free to utter rubbish

gregyboy:
Oyo empire was trash ,it was not even an empire ,it was a kingdom....
How did they defeat dahomey and how did they rule over them ,no war was fought so how did they occupy thier areas

Oyo never extended beyond neighbouring yoruba nations those other part it extended are frictions claims

grey ass boy monkey

Oyo

Yujin:

You're not correct Mr. An empire goes beyond conquering a people and taking tribute from them. That's my point. You have to look at the definition of what an empire is. I don't have to school people on what an empire is. Like I said earlier, Oyo might have been a great Kingdom who troubled her neighbours but it didn't get to the state of an empire. There's something that differentiates an empire from a kingdom. That is what Oyo lacked. Different nations United under a single person to become a single political unit where all the constituent nations bear the identity of their conqueror is what makes an empire. The footprints are there for everyone to see. Benin achieved this feat everyone can see her footprint all over the lands they once controlled. Where is Oyos footprint in non-Yoruba lands? Non. You'll need to prove these footprints exist to convince me.
I've been trying to get the ebook of Archibald Danzel without success. Can you kindly upload excerpts here for our consumption?

i blame Nigeria educational system . Didn't you study west Africa history in school.. Oyo was an empire ..Benin a Kingdom ..

Yujin:

Do you know what an empire is?

Benin was never an empire numb skull but a kingdom .. Benin influence on yoruba land was due to ancestral lineage of the stool of OBA ok

why is it hard for you to believe ..with my little knowledge i know human being migrate from one location to the other what we have as Hausa now are Sudanese in origin , they migrated to Hausa land during Sudanese expansion ,though they were aboriginal people prior to them coming that assimilated with them to form new race of people ..even in Europe most of them are from Aryan race from northern Indian

Your brain is curved Mr ma cof

Our closest neighbour Igala and Nupe claim to migrate from Egypt that alone should make you go into further research on the issue

macof:

Your rants are useless now it's this gimmick?

Read this well Mr. Man
There is nothing Yoruba about you, I can very well say this that using your actions on this forum with the constant Hebrew praise and insult of African civilizations that you are not Yoruba. Even if you may have Yoruba blood, it is not by blood alone mentally and spiritually you are not here but in the middle East

This is tantamount to sabotage campaign and mental health issues or not, being paid by a church or Islamic group or not your actions if not checked and restricted has the potential to plunge confusion into the land

laughing eranko ni e .. I am not even Africa, i am a proud yoruba man
If Mali could document mass influx of jews into West Africa why is it hard for you to believe jew migrated in yoruba land.... All biblical history is in .Ile－ife history too, from Tower of babel to great flood.we believe ile Ife is the birth place of mankind ,we are the beloved ,source of mankind ,first creation of Almighty God ..i am flexible in knowledge, ready to learn give me evidence to disprove the evidences given by a good researcher...

Go and study anthropology first .

macof:


This is nothing more than a desperate rant and plea to be allowed to further disrespect the Yoruba and turn history everywhere over its head

Nothing of what you write here about what you think I "think" is even relevant to the topic

These recent rants really show the utter lack of content you guys have. Your delusions fall apart so easily that it is barely an inconvenience to disprove your claims and this is an admission... You very well indirectly admit your lack of consistency with established facts and use of imagination rather than methodology
You have no solid claim, all you have stands on your urge to escape what you think is an ill fate.. that is to have an African origin
But there is absolutely nothing that makes any people less deserving of respect for having an African origin... African origin is not a curse that needs to be washed away by claiming semitic origin
"knowledge of the sea is astonishing" "traders going as far as Sudan" ok? So?? Is that what other Africans were incapable of?
Yoruba ancestors were not dumb as I thought?? When did I make you think that I think Yoruba ancestors were dumb? Not having semitic origin is being dumb to you? Smh surely, come on surely you know you have a huge inferiority complex here... Which is an actual mental health issue that when big enough is associated with other issues like psychosis and the rest

Should we blame foreign religions and colonisation, anti-black/anti-african propaganda?

i know you are not yoruba ...Not claiming nothing. i just want to know where your time machine is Macof The ijebu claiming sudan too are having mental issue abi...you are threading on dangerous path.