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gregyboy:
Haha benin beads and ife beads is just too different for that statement you made ....

The present coral beads that has become a general bead wear in nigeria was brough by the Portuguese. ..

The benin local beads are dark red and was done in benin...
Benin the mighty forest reigned over ife ...
Anywhere a benin prince set is foot he makes king

coral beads were introduce to the Benin by Portuguese to complement scarcity of ife glass beads ..Coral plant are harvest from the bottom of the sea to make beads which is totally different from glass beads... Yoruba smelt precious stone into glass beads and ornaments , bangles and bowl ..Our ologun and Aje worshipers also harvest pals and coral plant too from the bottom of the sea but not known to you people they introduced cowry shell. also developed the technique of breading of cowry Snell in hinterland for their shell

gregyboy:
Lol...you will quote articles and reference and it will still not conform to your point
....

See the way you wrote lt like the white lady was there when the sculpture was made or like she is even a yoruba woman...
She is a white lady who probably dont have much of her own personal information on other culture in Nigeria than the information given by the yoruba people.

And by that she is bound to make error's

The sculpture was dug up late 19c and it was "given a name" we know the Yoruba's lacked documentation unlike thier benin counterpart ,and even if the name that was given id correct,
that also wont change the fact the he is a bini chief who was given a yoruba name at ife.as you can see there is no stratification on his face to tell he was a Benin man

Here is a typical benin chief

At pics one

Pics 2 is shows the sculpture

You dont always have to fight it ...
Bini influenced ife and other yoruba state even if we are minors in nigeria it wont chage that fact....

The original beads of the Yoruba's were made of local materials like stones and the others were imported from the north who uptill date still go about selling beads as trade...

The third pics shows a typical yoruba beads

laughing beads making is beyond you forest ape mongrel you need to master metallurgy before you can to go into smelting and molding of precious stone. into glass beads and implements .. We are thousands years ahead of you apes , contribution of our DNA to you people Genetic pool make you people human despite that the bestial nature is still there..ile ibinu

gregyboy:
Who is from benin

Laughing beaded like Benin is other way round IFE are heavily beaded people, land of the gods ..Glass beads making is from ile- ife before it was introduce to Benin.. ..That's is real ife traditional regalia

educhigo:
ekiti state is not yoruba land they are from benin,coward afonjas,your brother sowore is eating iron beans in Detention,and you are posting nonsense..

another clown here

Eastlink:
The Odiani clan are not Yoruba's put that into your thick skull. They never were Yoruba's, had no cultural links with you people and despise that Yoruba label. They have nothing in common with you lots, nothing whatsoever that you're obsessed with. You can't even dare go to the Odiani clan to tell them the nonsense you're spilling here or else you lose your life. Stop getting obsessed with this people. Rather turn your focus to the Owo people in Ondo who are Bini's in origin yet the Edo don't drag them or the Shaki people with Nupe origin yet the Nupes don't drag them.
Get the Bleep off Igbo obsession.
There are much things you Yoruba supremacist should be worried about and not the Odiani people who don't care if you exist and may do you harm if you take this nonsense to their face.

you are on drugs iboboy

Olu317:
@ Obalufon, greeting to you.Please I need a favour from you, as regard a picture of Opa Ogun's picture at Oja Oba axis in uleife, if you wouldn't mind. Therefore,it will do me more good to have your active email.


Regard as always.

I am presently in Lagos .I promise to take the picture

TAO11:
Of course it is your usual style to run away whenever you run out of lies to tell and whenever you've been exposed and made to weep bitterly in secret.

You've run away as usual because I squeezed you so hard and exposed you so badly that no one could be decieved into believing even one of your numerous lies.

You've run away as usual because you couldn't refute or withstand any of the following historical facts:

(i) The Ooni of Ife was suzerain, imperial, and divine over Benin kingdom.

(ii) Ife introduced metal casting techniques into Benin kingdom.

(iii) The use of beads wasn't introduced into Benin kingdom until during the reign of Ewuare1 in the 1400s

(iv) Ife had been flourishing as a center of beads production since as early as the 1100s (and perhaps earlier).

(v) Ife artworks predates the earliest extant Benin artworks by a minimum of 300 years.


Oh ye runaway gregyboy, you failed woefully to even continue with engaging several of my replies. You fled.

Or did you concede those also just as you confessed that you've been lying about your claim that Benin artwork date to the 1200s?


Also you failed completely and miserably to substantiate even one of your empty claims, from (a) to (f) (including the additional ones).

Nay, you ran away as an inferiority ridden lying coward that you demonstrably are.


Moreover, regarding pictures:

Note again that a picture by itself doesn't prove jack. Just as the picture of a building doesn't prove that you own the building, whether the picture contains a forgery of your name/signature or it contains nothing.

To be considered reliable and trustworthy, an expert, scholarly, academic statement (duly referenced and traceable to the source) is still required to make the point.

What stands, therefore, in the final analysis is that I was able to adduce an expert, scholarly, academic dating results (duly referenced and traceable) showing that not only are there Ife artworks dated by the thermoluminescence technique to the 1200s, but that there are actually a couple of Ife artworks that have been dated using same dating technique to the 1100s and the to 1000s.

I have demonstrated this convincingly in the following thread: https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81608335


Furthermore, regarding your so-called center of artwork production in Ife, it should be mentioned again that you are responsible for proving your own claim.

You had made the claim (among other claims), and as such it is you who should prove your own claim.

Your own words which you uttered when you made the claim (and not a request) are as follows (with some corrections to your typos):

"Ife has no centre of its artwork origination. The sculptor who made the Ife artworks can't be traced. There is no no evidence that the Ife art works were made in Ife."

It is clear and obvious to every sane and stable mind that this is your claim, not your question nor request, nor is it my claim. The actual thread post is found here:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81608335

In sum, it is you (not I) who must prove your own claims. My bit is only to critique whatever you would produce as "proof" thereby exposing you for the fraud that you are.


Having demonstrated the lameness of your persistent demand for pictures, I proceed now to reminding you (with evidence) of the fact that the Yoruba people of Ife have, in fact, been producing beads in Ile-Ife since as early as the 12th century.

In other words, since as early as the 1100s; that is, some 300 years before the Binis would be exposed, by Ewuare1, to the use of beads (not even its production).

Refer here for the paper entitled "Glass Beads from Igbo-Olokun, Ile-Ife: Chemical Composition, Production, and Regional Interaction":

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281149310_Glass_Beads_from_Igbo-Olokun_Ile-Ife_Chemical_Composition_Production_and_Regional_Interaction


This academic and scholarly paper was presented at an annual conference of the prestigious "Society for American Archaeology", and it states very clearly and emphatically in the Abstract, and I quote, that:

"The site of Igbo Olokun in the city of Ife, in southwestern Nigeria has been identified as a primary glass and glass beads production center dating to the "Classic" period (12th - 15th c.)"


The rest of the paper is filled with the report of the archaeological excavation, the chemical analysis of the glass crucible and beads found at the beads production center, among several other details and analysis.

Once again you got busted as always!

Glass beads making technology is beyond forest mongrel..Melting of precious silion stone to form different ornaments Awo ,saucer bowl , bracelets bangles and beading. .. Coral beads was introduced to Benin by the Portuguese which is totally different from Glass beads , Coral is plant is harvest at the bottom of The seas... Which is also known to Yoruba before the coming of the Europeans..Through Olokun and Aje.the Sea people.. The first monetary cowery was introduced by them , -Cowry shell is mine at the bottom of the Sea later -they were able to raise and breed cowry Snail for their shell in hinterland which was a top secret then by the Awo... It was called Ogun owo then because you need dead body for the production and its breeding also for the harvest at the bottom of the sea ..the cowry snail feed on dead body and attract more to human dead body

Yoruba history didn't start with coming of the European .... When my forefathers were making history , where were your ancestors they were still covering their nasty hairy back side with leaves and raffia palm .. Our history was written centuries before the coming of the European..by great scholars of African , Ahmed baba greatest scholar of Timbuktu/ Songhai also Moroccan Ibn battuta world traveler and historian...

gregyboy:
Hmm....lol....my friend can you come with logical prove...i told ur broda who is hiding under a female account that links are irrwlevant but raw proves ...ao come out with raw fact then i will believe you anyone can claim anything i bet you know that

we brought civilization to you people through Benin.. Benin belong to ife....ile ibinu..Oranmiyan could not tame the beast so he left but left behind IDA Oranmiyan as symbol of his authority .. We are the light to you forest mongrel.. We brought clothing culture beads glass making iron/ metal crafting to you people and religion .. you should be grateful..

Unlimitk:
I'm ekiti and I noticed d Bini influence in my state
Many Yoruba towns up to kwara had Bini influence, including bishop oyedepo town omu aran,I've seen d pic of first king of omu aran dressing like oba of Benin in 1945
I've seen d influences of Bini in ekiti and ondo states clearly
But as time went on u have to understand people change with religion and environment as factor
Bini empire was great no doubt,but everything Has changed
I'm ekiti but I don't hear or speak ekiti dialect
Most Yorubas now only speak d popular central Yoruba we all speak, even I've seen Yorubas of kogi west complaining of losing their dialects to central Yoruba
That's just how it is
For now the only thing d bini ppl have is their past, no other tribe claim them because they want to b part of big 3 tribes in Nigeria, it is also happening to northern minority with d Hausa stuff
I'm sorry but that's just d fact

what are you saying bro,,, You will say ekiti dress like typical ife people ..Benin royal dressing is ife ...beads dressing and wrapper tying

hii

Shinjitsu:
awolowo the donkey that we saved lol...awolowo the idiot that licks the ass of the foolanis lol...when you talk about cannibalism I want you fool to to show me where it's written down in your foolish history book that we feed on flesh ...what do you have to say about this stupid and foolish Ogoni Cannibalism...I deal with facts I don't make noise like you fool I don't

You bastards are slave to the foolanis and will always be..idiot tell the world how you cowards loss kwara state ..History is there to tell the world how foolish and stupid you donkeys are lol

Laughing , How old are you ? maybe you were not born in the east because if you were born in the east you would know this . Why are you deceiving yourself you can't deceive the world ..your people are known cannibals . Accept it .. your people are among the tribes in Africa that made the white-man tagged us cannibals

Shinjitsu:
awolowo the donkey that we saved lol...awolowo the idiot that licks the ass of the foolanis lol...when you talk about cannibalism I want you fool to to show me where it's written down in your foolish history book that we feed on flesh ...what do you have to say about this stupid and foolish Ogoni Cannibalism...I deal with facts I don't make noise like you fool I don't

You bastards are slave to the foolanis and will always be..idiot tell the world how you cowards loss kwara state ..History is there to tell the world how foolish and stupid you donkeys are lol

i can't respond to your kind, ....Look how stupid you are "loss kwara state to fulani.. ilorin was just a safe haven for Muslims radicals and escape slaves way back then .. No point in history yoruba were ever under the fulanis.. Have you been to ilorin?.. Do they speak fulbe ? why would slaves not speak their master's tongue ..The war was nothing but yoruba Oyo war one side was under the banner of islam to secede ..

Shinjitsu:
Yourbas are illiterate history is there for you to see that Nri is the oldest empire in Nigeria...I can see how foolish and stupid you are lol

You idiot said we are cannibals right...let go down to history and see how you bastards eat human heart fool

Following reports that the Sarun, otherwise known
as Abobakun, was on the run to escape being buried
with the late Ooni of Ife, Ife chiefs have denied these
as untrue. According to the Lowa Adimula of Ife,
Oba Joseph Ijaodola, who is the Head of Inner
Chiefs, he said, “No one was caught during the Oro
festival, it is all lies. It has never been done in Ife
land that somebody must be killed or buried with
the Ooni.” The Secretary of the Royal Traditional
Council, High Chief Adekoye Odewole, also said, “We
don’t use human beings for rituals in Ile-Ife. We can
use rams, goats or other animals, but not human
beings.”
Meanwhile the Araba of Osogboland, Chief Yemi
Elebuibon has said the heart of the late king would
not be fed to the next Ooni.In his words, “The eating
of the heart of a departed King by an incoming one
belonged to the past. It no longer exists. People still
make this insinuation because many are barred
from witnessing the burial of a king. What the
incoming king will eat is the heart of an animal and
not that of a human. Nobody would be buried with the Ooni. Nobody would be killed for any form of sacrifice.”

History will always say that you fools are Of mixed origin, that you fools were the product of periodic waves of migrants. Your Fulani master had sex with you mothers to give birth to cowards and slaves lol

We the ibos don't like you yourba coward slaves cause you bastards eat human flesh and lick the ass of Fulani with hair lol....

Oldest empire in Nigeria Empire my butt hole ,,you are an Ape ,accept it ..Monkey self dey act like human ,show me your hairy ass and tail ibo boy, will you flat skull,?. if your grandfather were barely clothe and naked less than 100yrs ago living on trees , your forefather were clothe in raffia and leaves go and do the research ,how could they have built empire 1000years ago when the look like early man 70yrs ago..No clothing culture no defined ruling social strata ,nothing of such just bunch of naked people roaming the forest eating themselves for dinner..The visitors were major casualty of your cannibalism ,that is the reason most yoruba never want to visit your monkey kingdom or empire
What ever you called it for fear of being eaten ...You people were massively clothe by Awolowo go and do your research

Shinjitsu:
You see how stupid and foolish you are..if Nri is kingdom of ape which I know is not then the stupid Oduduwa is the kingdom of slaves which I know cause you cowards lick the ass of your masters the foolanis

You people dug up ruins of earlier igala villages before what is called anambra state you tagged it Nri kingdom to make you feel better in history ..Look at the pictures i posted earlier Picture of your grandfather ," cannibalistic homind caged in evolution of mankind "people who claim to have kingdom 1000yrs ago even claim to be Hebrew so jews are naked people ?. those pictures are are less than 70yrs ago.. Those are your ancestors embrace them ,that is who you are . you people need to evolve... that is why you ibos find it hard to co exist with people around you always have bitter hatred to people outside your clan.. How could people that haven't reached kingship level have a kingdom.. You ibos migrated to nigeria from the deep forest of South Africa that is the reason you ibos have history of cannibalism, that is peculiar to people from thick forest of central- Southern africa region .. ...

ibos are not aborigine of the east region of now Nigeria they moved to eastern part of Nigeria from southern eastern dense forest of African , their relatives are in equatorial quinea .. little they know is from the IGALAS and idomas ... Aboriginal people do reflect their environment and land ibo are in conflict with theirs .

Shinjitsu:
Ooni and the whole yourba nation are very mad and stupid..Let me teach them cause the are illiterate

The Nri Kingdom in the Awka area was founded in about 900 AD in North Central Igboland, and is the oldest Kingdom in Nigeria. The Nsukka-Awka-Orlu axis is said to be the oldest area of Igbo settlement and therefore, homeland of the Igbo people. It was a center of spirituality, learning, and commerce. They were agents of peace and harmony whose influence stretched beyond Igboland. The Nri people's influence in neighboring lands was especially in Southern Igalaland and Benin kingdom in the 12th to 15th centuries


Historically the Yoruba have been the dominant group on the west bank of the Niger. Of mixed origin, they were the product of periodic waves of migrants.[1] The Yoruba were organized in patrilineal groups that occupied village communities and subsisted on agriculture. From about the 8th century adjacent village compounds, called Ilé, coalesced into numerous territorial city-states in which clan loyalties became subordinate to dynastic chieftains. The earliest known of these city states formed at Ilé-Ifẹ̀ and Ijebuland. Urbanization was accompanied by high levels of artistic achievement, particularly in terracotta and ivory sculpture and in the sophisticated metal casting produced at Ilé-Ifẹ̀. The Yoruba placated a luxuriant pantheon headed by an impersonal deity, Olorun, and included lesser deities who performed various tasks. Oduduwa was regarded as the creator of the earth and the ancestor of the Yoruba kings. According to myth, Oduduwa founded Ife and dispatched his sons to establish other cities, where they reigned as priest-kings. Ile Ife was the center of as many as 400 religious cults whose traditions were manipulated to political advantage by the Ooni of Ilé-Ifẹ̀ (king).

Your stupid ooni and foolish yourba nation should go and fix himself first before talking trash

nkri kingdom i laugh die Nri kingdom of apes ..your people were barely clothed till the 40s and 50s your people were known as ONI IHOHO naked people .. nothing like Nri kingdom stop it

i believe everything in the bible also believe my ancestors ..is ease not to believe what is not yet into your understanding i will pardon your limited intellect and understanding.rational mind only help you to find the truth i pray you find the truth and prove all things soon the truth will unveil itself ..it was once believed that matter can't be created non destroy now Matter can be created and destroyed. matter can be spin out of nothingness void..physicist are now talking of multi universe and multiple dimension IN TIME AND SPACE ,"Do you know what that means, what my ancestors have known for 1000s of years

davidnazee:
I never told u I believe the whiteman story of Elijah and the chariot as true.. i doubt if it really happened like that. but your own story is insane..
like I said earlier, marijuana and codeine are doing their work in ur head lol.

Mr David do you believe in multiple dimensions..? physics

davidnazee:
Marijuana and codeine doing their work..

Yes you are high on white man's mentality you easily believe that Elijah ascend to heaven through chariot of fire also all the mysteries in the Bible but you can't believe Our own claim just because we are blacks ...Yorubas are different bro we are black but different genetically scientifically proven by your white lords ...ORUNMILA too ascend to heaven we are also waiting for the day he will return back "ELA RO WA'' but he left ifa to communicate with the unseen dimension to resolve our problems and challenges

Dartilo:
Pls let's b realistic, Jesus christ d son of the most high GOD didn't jump from heaven...
Oduduwa met pple at ife, so how is he the symbol of creation...
Oduduwa is not indigenous to ife

Go and study ifa Orunmila is the only historian of ile -ife Oduduwa was there from beginning of creation... Oduduwa the king descend believe it or not ..Oranfe Onile ina too descend from heaven like oduduwa... prehuman stage of life existed in ile-ife before human acquire mortal body .Science can't fathom it now but they will later

Dartilo:
Like oduduwa falling from the sky abi

Laughing .. Oduduwa is a symbol of creation.... if oduduwa the king descend from the sky what is big deal in it ..Elijah used chariot of fire to ascend to heaven lot of mysterious and supernatural things happened in the bible that defiles common sense/ logic ,science and rational mind still yet we believe it wholeheartedly .. Yoruba's are powerful and mystical people we are ancient being we are the first .. Genetically we are different

Fairy tale..laughing..

davidnazee:
I’m not talking about European accounts.. don’t try to dodge the question.. give me a list of renowned great Yoruba kings that existed..
don’t call Sango that turned to thunder ooo, that is a lie.

Too many great kings have ruled and made the name of yoruba known all over Africa From Mali to shore of Mauritania and Senegal , morocco bornu , and Sudan and through out west Africa.. Oyo kings have always been revered and praise as the lord of Niger to upper Volta river Oyo empire stretched from western Nigeria to Ghana conquered Ashanti kingdom stopped them from extending their kingdom to Togo and Benin republic /Dahomey . shared boarder with Songhai/Mali empire when northern Nigeria were under great Songhai empire still yet Oyo were raiding the north using them as slaves till today yoruba see the north as slaves Niki kingdom baribas were under oyo empire ,vassal state of Oyo even Nupe at a point in time ....,.African greatest scholars Ahmed baba wrote about Yoruba and Oyo also Moroccan historian and world traveler ibn battuta gave his own account
. Hadn't been for European Benin wouldn't be known moreover the glory of Benin belong to Ile-ife / Oranmiyan

davidnazee:
I don’t want to stretch ur brain past it’s limits, so I need to argue with u about founding a place and colonizing a place. But you can choose which of the 2 adjectives best describes Great Benin exploits in Eko (Lagos)..
Great Benin is known to have founded Lagos and also known to have colonized Lagos.

coconut head founded ... laughing

Olu317:
It is the truth on the Yoruba language as being the language of gods and nature's language, which is the reason Yoruba named many animals after their behavioral pattern that is known according to the bow-wow theory, that all words are echoic, some grunting caveman's attempt to capture the essence of a thing by its sound. Capturing sound by these ancient men affirmed to the Yoruba approach toward her methods used in calling animals by it echoic sound. Infact,it is also applicable to all other things be it animate or inanimate in Yoruba land.i

However, the mutation of yoruba didn't really changed the language but effected through alteration as a result of relocation to new environment,which is supported by, Einger Augen in the book ecology of language,who postulated that language changes as a result of migration and as being borrowed from a teacher's language . So in effect, Yoruba language didn't actually changed because the archaic language is retained in the different yorua dialects.

thank you somuch Sir

gregyboy:
You also want to claim pounded yam and eguisi too are for the Yoruba's wonders shall never end the lady in the picture wore a beeded hair dress with coral beeds this alone will tell you olokun worship is foreign to the yorubas....
How did eguisi and pounded yam seem yoruba lets start from there who colonized who ? Four yoruba state where under Benin territory and you open your mouth to lie openly even when the pictures speaks the truth the question you should ask yourself now is why are the people on that pictures dressing like the benin royals instead of yorubas ...ooh god you're forefathers should be blamed for this. they where busy fighting civil war and selling themselves as slaves to the whitemen for penny instead of documenting thier history now the children are busy claiming others peoples history

These are pictures of benin queens below

that dressing of your queen is ife dressing if you don't know we taught you beads making which is foreign to forest mongrel that roam naked in the jungle also cloth weaving ..bronze making .. please separate Benin from edo .. benin was established or founded by ife prince

goalernestman:
Show me proof picture of the prince, oromiyan picture with it.

And you also wonder why oduduwa, ile fa, ile ife is it a Yoruba words but have meaning in Benin words.

First tell me the meaning of Ada in Yoruba?

Ada is sword I ... DA .....A ... Da.. break , cut....how come edo bear yoruba names ..Ola shola ..ADESUA.. might sound somuch edo to you but if you are moving towards ondo ilaje ADE is universal They make use of the word SUA more than the central yoruba

goalernestman:
We are both omo ogiso owadu

Ogiso laughing ..where are the gods of Ogiso owadu? Ogiso worshiped Ogun and Obatala Olokun his Ancestors

you can't separate Benin from us we are both omo Odua.... Ede ife now known as Yoruba language is the languages of the gods,is the mother of all languages .. Language mutates

goalernestman:
Please tell me the story of how Yoruba gives the Benin the Ada and Eben

Symbol of Oranmiyan conquest and authority..Ada or Ida Oranmiyan. Curved sword .Ada ti baba fin se oko alai gbo ran...benin no dey hear word..

yoruba language is mother of all languages...even Benin language contains some archai yoruba words that are no more in use generally by the yorubas .. .likewise every yoruba tribe have some words which are peculiar to them alone which other tribes can't fathom or understand pre-yoruba language Ede -ife ..Oro -ife we also have oyelagbo.