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Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 2:00pm On Dec 29, 2014
LouisVanGaal:
Oga! The perpetuators of d violence are dey below '18' years of age? Were de teenagers? Are they not responsible for their actions? Why should the party be liable to bad conduct of dia supporters? If they had signed an undertaken to reach out to every of dia supporters nationwide it would hav been a different scenario..
The fact remains that those who killed, did so because CPC lost. Even if CPC don't want to accept the blame, they should still acknowledge that the killings were done because they lost.

Imagine that I am a family man with grown ups as offspring; shud de go outside and commit a crime, WILL IT BE FAIR IF I AM ACCUSED FOR THEIR CRIME? Considering that they have already reached d age of making sound judgement..there are good supporters and bad supporters of both pdp and APC in terms of Attitude.
The man should still be blamed because it was his kids that committed a crime. He must have failed in instilling good values on his kids. Thus he has some portion of the blame,

When I was in my final year @ sku, our dean of students came to mobilise us to assist INEC under d capacity of Assistant polling officers, while Corps members as PO for d 2012 edo state guber elections, which oshiomhole won...On getting to my polling unit and after all accreditation..voting commenced, with d security operatives abandoning us (me + the PO) to ourselves and were led to a corner by some party chieftains for settlement. Imagine how the voters would tak it wen de feel marginalised cos de dnt possess d leverage to rig?...they would take laws into dia hands with d so-called operatives incapacitated cos dia integrity has bin compromised!
So if you were killed, will it be right for us to justify the actions of those who took law into their hands?

Had buhari the 'pocket' of an IBB, we would then say dat de wea paid to cos violence whc is logical..

So, its ONLY fair to put the blame on the rioters and the security operatives and NOT any party.
Parties should take the bulk of the blame. Let's learn to accept responsibility. Only a true leader takes responsibility for the actions of his supporters/followers.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:49pm On Dec 29, 2014
BossAyuk:
That makes no sense Oga grin grin
It makes no sense to you because you are not a leader. As a leader, you are responsible and liable for the acts perpetuated by your supporters/followers.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:46pm On Dec 29, 2014
barcanista:
Kenyatta made lots of inciteful statements and there were lots of evidence and indictment against him. Please do a proper research on Kenya's post 2008 Presidential election violence
Oh and you think CPC politicians didn't make inciteful statements too? Or are you blind and deaf to historical records of the pre- and post-2011 elections?

Even now, Amaechi has started his own by saying a parallel govt will be created should APC lose. Don't you know that he can be charged to court in the future if there's a coup or aggravated insurgency after the 2015 elections?
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:40pm On Dec 29, 2014
BossAyuk:
If I kill Buharis supporters and carry Jonathan's posters claiming he was cheated without receiving any instruction whatsoever from Jonathan, is it fair or sensible to call Jonathan a man of violence? Go.straight to.the point.
I'll still blame Jonathan because he is to ensure that he's supporters are law abiding. It's his duty as a leader. A leader is trained to take responsibility and liability tongue
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:36pm On Dec 29, 2014
barcanista:
What is your proof against cpc? The Presidential committee neither indict cpc nor any of her chieftain. I insist that what happened in 2011 was perpetrated by fanatics and not cpc or her supporters. PDP led by Fayose in broad daylight went to court to beat judges, that counts. PDP BoT Chief alhaji Lawal Kaita promised to make Nigeria ungorvernable for Jonathan should he win 2011. I expect the President and DSS to arrest him and begins investigation from there if they were serious.
The reason why CPC was never indicted is because our president is too softhearted. Uhuru Kenyatta is still facing post-election crime charges in the ICC because his supporters (or fanatics as you "lawyeristically" called it) killed scores of innocent civilians. If Uhuru is facing such, why isn't Buhari? Anyway, it's Jonathan I'll blame. He's soft, and his opponents are using it against the poor man embarassed
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:30pm On Dec 29, 2014
barcanista:
Your sentiment cannot replace facts. You have nothing against the cpc. Attributing offence perpetrated by fanatics to a legal entity without proof shows your degree of subjectiveness. I can shout Jesus is Lord to kill people, I can start burning houses with Jonathan's poster in my hand, I can start shooting any anti-jonathan supporters, but it doesn't translate to Jonathan supports violence. Be guided!
Stop twisting words. Nobody said that CPC openly support violence. But the fact remains that the perpetrators of the heinous act were sympathetic to APC's candidate. CPC has an history of violence, you can't deny it. That's why I'm glad APC has pledged to help in preventing such in this coming election.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:24pm On Dec 29, 2014
barcanista:
CPC have no history of violence, but PdP does! Whether the poster you quoted agree with you or not is immaterial until you substantiate with fact. I can commit crime and shout GEJ 2015, it doesn't mean that I'm backed by GEJ. Terrorists kill and shout Alahu Akbar, it doesn't mean islam endorse terrorism. Sometimes, we shouldn't be allowed to be blinded by hate and emotions
Bros, we all know PDP is a party of violence. But the violence is mostly intra- or inter-party. These violence will never be openly endorsed by the party but the fact remains that the violence is being perpetuated.

All parties that have politicians as members have history of violence. For you to come out and absolve CPC of theirs show that you are lying. The more you lie, the more you lose credibility.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:18pm On Dec 29, 2014
barcanista:
Did APC commit violence in 2011? Was any ACN/CPC/ANPP chieftain indicted for post 2011 violence? How can you assume the actions of some fanatical supporters to be that of the party? Did the party encourage or aske anyone to attack any? The man that promised to make Nigeria ungorvernable is a PDP man named Lawal Kaita. What is your point sef Mr Obinoscopy?
My point is very simple: CPC supporters, Buhari supporters were the ones that killed those innocent corps members. They were the ones that killed civilians. They were the ones that destroyed government and private property. It's a fact that you cannot disprove. If you like speak all the whole "lawyeristic" jargons here.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:13pm On Dec 29, 2014
LouisVanGaal:
and what's d work of law enforcement agencies during elections? Had dey not taken bribes, they would have calmed dwn d uproar...rather de decided to stand on d side of cheats! Hope u ve heard recently how some of pdp chieftains hav celebrated d past elections de ve riggedundecided
Yes, the law enforcement agents have their own share of blame. But let's not forget to give CPC (now part of APC) their own share too.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:09pm On Dec 29, 2014
politricks:
Was this the question they asked you?.
JackBaueress1:
You're not making sense! Was there APC in 2011? Why do you agree APC is associated with violence during elections because CPC supporters killed some corpes in Bauchi? If you agree APC is a violent party, Do you agree other parties that merged to become APC are violent too?
OK, agreed APC never existed in 2011. But CPC did and I'm glad you agreed that CPC had a history of violence.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:05pm On Dec 29, 2014
politricks:
Dont mind the guy, i guess he schooled in france hence his statement.
But would you agree with me that CPC had a history of post-election violence?
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 1:01pm On Dec 29, 2014
JackBaueress1:
there was no APC political party in 2011. was there any?
APC is a merger of CPC, ACN and other parties. CPC (the party with history of violence) is part of APC, hence my statement.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 12:58pm On Dec 29, 2014
JackBaueress1:
. And what's the truth? huh
The truth is that the perpetrators of the 2011 Post Election Violence were APC Supporters. They felt cheated, thus decided to take law into their hands by attacking INEC and NYSC Members.
Politics › Re: APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 12:44pm On Dec 29, 2014
“Though our party has no history of violence"
That's a very big lie.
Politics › APC Pledges To Work For Violence-free Elections by Obinoscopy(op): 12:42pm On Dec 29, 2014
The All Progressives Congress (APC) has assured Nigerians and the international community that it will do all in its power to ensure that the 2015 general election is violence-free, saying the rising apprehension about the polls among the populace is inimical to the conduct of a successful election.

In a statement issued in Lagos yesterday by its national publicity secretary, Alhaji Lai Mohammed, the party, however, said its efforts should be complemented by the PDP-led federal government, which has a propensity for using the security agencies to harass and intimidate the opposition and ordinary citizens.

It also said the federal government should take all measures necessary to ensure that the elections are free, fair and credible, since rigging and other acts of electoral malfeasance constitute the immediate trigger for anger and violence during and after elections.

“We have heard from Nigerians who are so afraid about possible violence during the forthcoming election that they are even willing to relocate to other countries until after the elections. But, as the biggest opposition party in Nigeria and a major stakeholder in our nation’s democracy, we are assuring, on our part, that there will be no violence.

“Though our party has no history of violence, we have commenced a nationwide effort to sensitise our members and supporters to the need to eschew rancour and embrace non-violent methods, even in the face of the kind of provocations to which we were subjected during the Ekiti and Osun governorship elections, when our members were needlessly harassed, arrested and detained by partisan security agencies acting under orders from the federal government.

“If the federal government allows a level playing field for all contestants, if the security agencies stop acting as the armed wing of the ruling PDP, if the electoral umpire will carry out its duties without fear, favour or bias and if citizens are allowed to exercise their franchise unmolested, the stage will be set for a non-violent, free, fair and credible polls. In other words, the government has a major role to play in making the forthcoming polls peaceful.

“On our part, in addition to other efforts aimed at ensuring a peaceful election, we pledge to accept the result of an election that is not only free, fair, credible and transparent, but one that is also seen to be so. We hope other parties will make a similar pledge,’’ APC said.
http://leadership.ng/news/398309/apc-pledges-work-violence-free-elections

I'm glad they've pledged to ensure a violence free election. The 2011 post-election violence was so devastating. I will never forget that day.
Forum Games › Re: ~<<The Last Person To Post In This Thread Wins>>~ by Obinoscopy(mod): 12:29am On Dec 29, 2014
Winner cool
Politics › Re: Did The Enugu/PH Rail Line Commissioned On Monday Get Derailed? by Obinoscopy(m): 2:06pm On Dec 28, 2014
TechRev:
http://www.punchng.com/business/transport/rail-accidents-may-overtake-road-plane-crashes/

No such thing happened. The picture is an old pic, check the link.
Politics › Re: Did The Enugu/PH Rail Line Commissioned On Monday Get Derailed? by Obinoscopy(m): 1:49pm On Dec 28, 2014
alabiyemmy:
This story has been debunked on the same twitter yet this stoopid OP is still carrying it.
Who debunked it? Please provide us with the link. Thanks.
Politics › Re: ‘There would be a pleasant surprise in 2015 elections’ - Pastor Kalejaiye by Obinoscopy(m): 6:17am On Dec 28, 2014
D9ty7:
The mod on night shift is asleep when this topic was posted. Seun and his goons who only respond to the title moderators but are not moderating anything.
False information.
Politics › Re: ‘There would be a pleasant surprise in 2015 elections’ - Pastor Kalejaiye by Obinoscopy(m): 6:15am On Dec 28, 2014
Vibra:
I wonder where the mods are when it's clearly stated
Rule 8:
8. Don't post false information on Nairaland
The mods are not everywhere, they need your help by reporting any thread that flout forum rules. But you didn't report this thread to them. That's not fair sad
Politics › Re: A MUST READ: Reps 50 Questions For Okonjo Iweala by Obinoscopy(m): 11:19pm On Dec 27, 2014
So these were the 50 questions that the reps agreed to pay over a hundred million naira for. Chai grin
Politics › Re: Man Demands Reps Pay Him N115m For Helping Them Draft 50 Questions! by Obinoscopy(op): 5:27pm On Dec 27, 2014
nduchucks:
Absolutely not!!

You may have missed my initial post on this issue where I stated that even in the most "advanced" countries, the representatives are not supposed to be experts in every area. They routinely hire experts/consultants to draft legislation and their staff is made up up additional experts for support.

Having said that, no sane human being can justify a N100million fee for such a service. The fee is another evidence of how wasteful and corrupt the system is. The unfortunate truth is that, if the man has a valid contract, he will be paid the N100million.
Its not the man I blame, its the clueless House of Reps committee members that I blame. The man should be paid his full money, it's not his fault that the committee members are clueless up to the point of agreeing on the 100 million naira contract to draft questions.
Politics › Re: Man Demands Reps Pay Him N115m For Helping Them Draft 50 Questions! by Obinoscopy(op): 4:58pm On Dec 27, 2014
nduchucks:
If you think the members of the house committee on Finance cannot use the expertise of experts in the field, then you are dellusional. Do you know how many areas of finance they have to deal with on a daily basis? They most definitely need experts to support their decision making processes.
An expert to draft questions for over a hundred million naira? SMH
Politics › Re: "Abacha Never Stole" Says Buhari As Published 2008 By Thisday Newspaper by Obinoscopy(m): 4:10pm On Dec 27, 2014
fkaz:
Buhari said Abacha is not corrupt until a competent court said so, and president jonathan confirm it, that Abacha is not corrupt to the extend he return some founds recovered from the family account abroad back to the family.

So let Buhari be

The trial judge handed down the order after the Federal Government yesterday dropped criminal charges filed against him over monies allegedly looted from the federal treasury during the Abacha regime.
At the resumed hearing yesterday, Abacha was represented by Abdulahi Haruna and Rueben Atabo while Daniel Enwelum appeared for the prosecution.
The prosecutor informed the court that the Attorney General of the Federation (AGF) and Minister of Justice, Mr. Mohammed Bello Adoke (SAN) had on June 17 filed a notice to discontinue all charges against Abacha which Abaca’s lawyers said they were not opposing.
In the notice, the AGF who is the chief law officer of the federation asked the FCT High Court to strike out all the charges “because there are fresh facts and documents available to the Federal Goverment”.
So because our corrupt government decided to drop all charges against Abacha, you are now in total support that Abacha never stole our money? You are beginning to sound like the PDP goons.

APC and PDP, I honestly don't know the difference between you two. May God help this country.
Politics › Re: "Abacha Never Stole" Says Buhari As Published 2008 By Thisday Newspaper by Obinoscopy(m): 3:51pm On Dec 27, 2014
fkaz:
My brother we are still on same page, here is Buhari comment

Buhari, in his own comments yesterday, described the allegations of looting against Abacha as "baseless", because according to him, "ten years after Abacha, those allegations remain unproven because of lack of facts".

Do you have anything against it?
But a huge sum of money was recovered from him. I remembered there was a time when trillions of naira was recovered from him during Obasanjo's civilian rule. I remembered it so vividly despite my not being politically conscious then because I never knew we could have naira notes up to trillions. So when I heard it, I said wow. So are you and Buhari saying that all the money that have been recovered thus far from Abacha were legitimately acquired by the late Abacha?

And if the allegations of looting are baseless, then what do you have to say about this Jahbiz's post:

jahbiz:
World's Ten Most Corrupt Leaders1
NamePositionFunds embezzled2
1. Mohamed SuhartoPresident of Indonesia (1967–1998)$15–35 billion
2. Ferdinand MarcosPresident of the Philippines (1972–1986)5–10 billion
3. Mobutu Sese SekoPresident of Zaire (1965–1997)5 billion
4. Sani Abacha President of Nigeria (1993–1998)2–5 billion
5. Slobodan MilosevicPresident of Serbia/Yugoslavia (1989–2000)1 billion
6. Jean-Claude DuvalierPresident of Haiti (1971–1986)300–800 million
7. Alberto FujimoriPresident of Peru (1990–2000)600 million
8. Pavlo Lazarenko Prime Minister of Ukraine (1996–1997)114–200 million
9. Arnoldo Alemán President of Nicaragua (1997–2002)100 million
10. Joseph EstradaPresident of the Philippines (1998–2001)78–80 million

1. Defined as former political leaders who have been accused of embezzling the most funds from their countries over the past two decades.
2. All sums are estimates of alleged embezzlement and appear in U.S. dollars.
Source:Transparency International Global Corruption http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921295.html
Politics › Re: Inspector General Of Police Declares Christmas Crime-Free by Obinoscopy(m): 3:34pm On Dec 27, 2014
Christmas has come and gone. Today is 27th and there has been no reported case of explosions or insurgency/terrorism. This Christmas is the most peaceful thus far in recent times. May God continue to protect us as we enter the New Year. Amen.
Politics › Re: "Abacha Never Stole" Says Buhari As Published 2008 By Thisday Newspaper by Obinoscopy(m): 3:25pm On Dec 27, 2014
fkaz:
I don't understand you, but Can you share any link or the news article where Buhari defend sani Abacha first?
You said "let Buhari be." And you tried justifying Buhari's action by stating that Jonathan honoured Sani Abacha's son with an award. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. If Buhari says something that's wrong, he should be criticised. Same goes for Jonathan.

Check the link provided by the OP, you will see where it was said that Buhari and IBB claimed Abacha never stole.
Politics › Re: "Abacha Never Stole" Says Buhari As Published 2008 By Thisday Newspaper by Obinoscopy(m): 2:06pm On Dec 27, 2014
fkaz:
Even president goodluck ebele gave general sani Abacha national award for his selfless contribution to the development of Nigeria recently, where people like seun where left out.

So let Buhari be
So because Jonathan is romancing with the devil then Buhari should be allowed to romance with the devil as well?

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