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Wu Zetian: NO!! Really??!! If this is true, I'm very impressed by your knowledge and maturity.

No joke.

INNO18: NO way! You have got to be kidding me!

Nwanne, eziokwu ka m na ekwu ihe a.

INNO18: @Odumchi and Shymmexx i must say i have learnt a lot from the the both of your arguements. Nice one...lest i forget odumchi u seem to possess a lot of knowledge about Igbo culture and tradition...Did you study anything Related to Ancient culture and tradition in College?

I'm a college freshman, meaning I'm in my first year. I believe we're agemates.

shymexx: I was alluding to developments in a structured way, with a solid foundation. And with that comes progression and, it evolves gradually into an all inconclusive society which will enable the building of an advanced society.

With ancient Egypt (most other cultures/empires that were able to build advanced societies), there was no turmoil before they got to that stage. However, their was gradual progression from primitiveness to advancement without outside/external interference. The advancement in ancient Egypt started with the dynasty period when everything we know them for today was built. But the turmoil started when the advancement peaked during the 25th dynasty, with the civil war and foreigners/invaders living among them at that period. Also, you will find out that, even after that, because the culture was well-structured and deep-rooted, all the foreigners/invaders who ruled ancient Egypt after that never touched the advancement and well-developed culture of the place. Rather, it absorbed them in

I still don't understand when you became a cultural analyst. Please tell me those cultural elements that lead to "structured development", "progression" and "solid foundations", which the Igbo lacked and the Yoruba possessed, because as things are the only difference I see is that Igbo did not embrace centralized political rule while Yoruba did.

How do you mean? Igbo culture as we know of today is quintessentially Igbo per se, most of it was borrowed from neighbouring cultures. We can cite Aro and Ibibio. The Kingship from Benin. The dressing from the neighbouring tribes since almost the surrounding tribes dress the same way. The red and white wooly hats from the Europeans. And the many borrowed words in Igbo language itself. Evidently, it shows that the foundation wasn't/isn't that deep-rooted.

What is the "Igbo culture" which you know?

What do you know about Aro and Ibibio relations? Please cite.

Who said that the Igbo nation borrowed its ideas of kingship from Benin? Did Benin travel into the past and inspire the people of Nri to establish a kingship amongst themselves, several centuries before it was even born? Or did Benin somehow cross the Niger and tell the people of Abiriba to establish an Enachioken (king)?

What are the neighboring "tribes" that the dress the same way as the Igbo?

What are those English words which are in the Igbo language?

Who told you that Europeans invented those "red and white woolly hats"?

We all know why the ancient Egyptian civilisation is no more. That's because most of the people who built it had to migrate further into the African continent due to the never ending invasions. And the few who were left behind had to mix with the invaders, hence why the progression stopped. When the brain trust of a project leaves, what do you expect? It's definitely stagnation, or should I say, regression.
Shalom!

Ok.

shymexx: @Odumchi

The question would always be, "What's Igbo?" And was there any centralised Igbo culture before the early 20th century? Yes, there was Aro/Ibibio, Nri, Ika, Onitsha, Ngwa etc.. However, there was no Igbo. And this proves my assertion that the general Igbo culture has no deep rooted foundation. Heck, most of the present day Igbo's like: Onitsha, Ngwa etc. never wanted to be part of the union at the beginning because they never saw the need for it and they preferred their unique identities. Right now some still don't feel that "Igbo-ness."

Are you following me?

Take it easy. We're talking about how little you know about the Igbo people(s) and their culture(s) and you're venturing even deeper into the pit. Do you even know what "Igbo culture" is, first of all? I can bet that you're drawing these conclusions off of the nonsensical back-and-forth debates that certain characters have on this website. All of a sudden you, a London-based Yoruba dude in his early twenties, now know the complexities behind the origin of "Igbo-ness" and "general Igbo culture" (a topic which historians have argued for years) in addition to being an expert on the attitudes of the different Igbo subgroups towards inclusion in the pan-Igbo fold. Someone has given you the authority and the liver to say "Igbo culture has no deep rooted foundation".

Wetin pesin no go hear?

Second of all, stop grouping Aro and Ibibio together. The Aro and Ibibio are two different classes of people. The Aro are a people who exist under several ethnic umbrellas - the largest of which being Igbo. "Ibibio" is the name of the peoples who live in the Uyo and Abak area. When discussing Aro and Ibibio, address them separately. We're not like the Hausa-Fulani.

bigfrancis21: Dear Odumchi,

My thread finally made the front page. I appreciate immensely. A big thanks to you.

No problem. Don't hesitate to suggest more threads.

shymexx: For a culture to be fully developed, it has to evolve from within into an advanced society - with different hierarchies. We can cite ancient Egypt and how they moved from just being a community into advancement - and later into the dynasty periods, which birthed the civilisations in which ancient Egypt is known for the today. Same for the Greeks, Romans, Ottoman, Persians, Great Britain, Oyo, Benin, Kongo, Dahomey, Akan, Songhay, Mali, Ghana etc.. However, Igbo's never had that.

I do not understand this part: "For a culture to be fully developed, it has to evolve from within into an advanced society - with different hierarchies."

What exactly does culture being "fully developed" mean? How does a culture "evolve from within into an advanced society"?

To me, your example of the Egyptian culture seems useless and misplaced because I don't see entirely how it relates to the issue at hand. All that I'm able to infer is that you're saying unless a people undergo some period of turmoil and later emerge as a kingdom or empire, then their culture would remain inferior to those that do. This statement itself is incorrect.

The truth is that when you have a well-developed culture, it automatically becomes part of your consciousness and whatever external influence(s) come(s) afterwards would be swallowed and owned by your culture. Not saying the Igbo's don't have a rich culture, however, the Igbo culture isn't as deep rooted as the other surrounding cultures.

Your argument doesn't make sense, in my opinion, nor does it have the knowledge basis to seem remotely convincing. I can bet that you possess no in-depth knowledge of the Igbo people(s) and their culture(s) (or any of the afformentioned cultures, for that matter) and therefore should not even be discussing them in such a manner.

The funny thing is that the same Ancient Egyptian civilization which you claimed was "well-developed" is no more.

shymexx: I guess this is why. Whenever a strong culture and a weak one meet, the stronger one would always dominate the weaker one. Just as the Benin culture has dominated all the cultures from Delta to everywhere east of the Niger before the contact with the Yoruba's.

However, I won't call the Igbo culture a weak one, rather I would say it wasn't/isn't highly developed unlike the cultures west of the Niger river.

Shalom!

What are you saying?

stillwater: Can you get rid of alyricist aka royal's comment? Very disgusting.

https://www.nairaland.com/1437708/loosing-culture-yorubas#18106996

Done.

Umu Imo, unu ashi na o gini? Elee ihe mega nga a? Awu m nwa afo Igbo shi ala Aro na Abia state. Ashi m mu ekele unu wu umunne m shi Imo.

Houston is really the Igbo capital of America. Ebe ihe nile n'eme.

Done.

RandomAfricanAm: Please unhide my post in the following thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/1291722/did-west-africans-reach-new/3#1291722.112

Thank you

Stranglehold: https://www.nairaland.com/586363/slavery-united-states-1775-1865/11

^^^My KidStranglehold post has be hidden and my account banned.

bigfrancis21: Dear Odumchi,

Good morning. Thanks for your prompt action yesterday.

I wish to bring to your notice that up till now, i'm yet to see the article on the front page.

Thanks once more.

I'm not responsible for posting things on the front page. We moderators simply recommend topics to our superiors who then decide whether or not to post them. I've recommended your thread.

Fulaman, if you're interested please send me a pm. More candidates please!

Umu Abia, ndaa aga inyi mere?

Representing Arochukwu LGA.

bigfrancis21: Hello House.

I noticed we've not had a front page request made from the culture section recently.

@Moderators,
Happy week ahead.

Please can you move this thread to the front page
please?

https://www.nairaland.com/1430511/igbo-values-
success-education-hardwork

Thank you so much.

Done.

Antivirus92: kiri is not specific to any people. Anybody can say "ihe/ife nkiri" or "bia kirie ife na-eme ebea". My town use "anunwa" and "afu" interchangably.

Oh ok. So is it a northern Igbo thing?

Which people say "kiri" for "see/look"?

And which people say "anunwa" for "this"?

Olisabuluwa nalu mkpulu obi fa. Ife a egosigo ife melu ekwesili ine ana anya ofuma tupu ewuba nya uno. O buro afu ana obuna ma nke di nma ma nke adiro asi ka ewuba uno na enu nya. Biko nu, unu welu ya nwayo.

I'm working on a writing project and would appreciate it if someone gave me some Ukwuani names.

Some that I already have are: Nwabuife, Udodili, and Ossai. Please be sure to specify the gender.

sweet_gala: What is the exact meaning of obianuju. I've heard conflicting meanings. I might not be Igbo but one of my children would be blessed with that name when God wishes.

Obianuju - a girl who comes in a time of the family's prosperity.

Obinoscopy: I've resent it. Did you get it this time? Check your spam too. If you didn't see it then I'll pass the message across in the mod section.

Thanks. Just got it. Both of your emails were sent to my spam, for some reason.

*Kails*:
odumchi i sent you an email,
did you get it?

Done.

MetaPhysical: I believe threads like this will soon turn the culture section into a free for all house of chaos like you have in politics section..This thread needs to be deleted or relocated to politics.

[url] How To Go Become A Landlord In Another Man's Land by Ikengawo [/url]

Please provide the link.

achi4u: I speak two dialects 'Ezza' and 'Izugbe' and any other mixtures of igbo language.

My Ezza dialect resembles Aro/ngwa to some extend.
Eg.
Ka m je ozi >>Izugbe

Tem je ozish >>Ezza

Tam je ozish>>Aro/ngwa(I maybe wrong though but my emphasis is on 'Tem' and 'Tam' words)

Aro doesn't say 'tem je ozish'. We say 'ka m gaa ozi'. The 'tam' in our dialect means 'before'.

What does Nwabunor mean?

Robinson3d: Hello Guys, Please can you translate " i miss you very much and Have a great morning and never forget to smile" in igbo language

Anya gi na agu m. Noro ofuma na ututu. Echefula imu amu.

Obinoscopy: @Odumchi, I sent you a mail via the 'Report' button on this thread. Did you get it?

No, I didn't. Do you mind resending?

"Nwabunor" I putara gini?

Odenigbo Aroli: So,how do you say "fearsome" in Igbo ? Mind you,"Odiegwu" can also be used to describe something of great nature. For instance,people can use "egwu" to describe a beautiful house,car or a dance. "Odiegwu" can also mean terrific but it could change when you say "ife di egwu di ebe afu/ahu. But this is more like making a full sentence.

'Egwu' can have a host of meanings; beautiful, amazing, terrifying, fearsome and etc.

One of the words we use to express "danger" in my dialect is "oghom", which means: uncertainty; dubiousness; danger.

Ex:
"That [action/idea] is dangerous" - "Oghom di ya"
"That [thing] is dangerous" - "Ihe onhu nwere ike imeru gi azi" (Literally: that thing can harm you).

Odenigbo Aroli: Translate "dangerous" to Igbo...

It's dangerous - o di onwunwa; o di egwu.

Dangerous things are there - ihe di egwu di ebe ahu.

3RNEST: how can i say your "mess dey smell in igbo?

"Nsi gi na esi isi."