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Ikenga nri: Igbo kwenu! Kedunu ife melu last?

Ndeewo. Obi m na agwa m na gi na Nri Priest wu otu onye.

ezeagu: The demand for labour doesn't make the transatlantic trade in humans any more moral or natural. If you look at it from a social and political point of view it was what led to the collapse of the Igbo society and many other African societies through erratic conflicts which made it much easier for European colonists and missionaries to invade West Africa. The point is that the people trading slaves knew that what they were doing was wickedness, but they didn't care because of the immediate economic gains that they were getting which eventually led to the destruction of their way of life. "The world has never been a fair place", well that doesn't mean you kidnap 5 year olds at night and sell them off to monsters.

My argument was made towards precolonial indigenous African slavery. I regard the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade as a whole different beast.

Thanks . More might come soon. Who knows?

Hollywood Matt: *Sigh*

Both my main KidStranglehold account and Stranglehold account were banned by spambots on this thread and the post were hidden.
https://www.nairaland.com/1233094/somebody-lied-african-american-aint-african/6

Please help.

Done.

ezeagu: I disagree. Would you say the same for the Europeans on the other side? People 300 years ago were modern humans and weren't dumb. Slavery was driven by one thing and that is greed, so human-sacrificing was driven by another greed for power and control. None of those desires have changed. I highly doubt the African slave traders thought what they were doing was normal, since many were even into kidnapping. If it were not wickedness, then what would you say to the victims if this were 300 years ago?

You're failing to realize that the world is not, has never been, and will never be a fair place. Throughout human history, the demand for labor has always exceeded the supply. As a result, societies around the world have devised various creative methods, both forceful and peaceful, in order to feed the demand for labor.

Let me remind you that greed is a part of human nature. Every man is born with the desire to gain control over others and supersede them in order to secure his own well-being. Analyzing it from a purely economic perspective, slavery, in the precolonial African context, was a social structure that allowed the strong to manipulate the weak and supply themselves with human labor. However, as with all things human, we tend to easily corrupt whatever we do. The Europeans, whose attitudes towards slavery differed starkly from that of most Nigerian peoples, played a large role in the commercialization and "racialization" of slavery.

Toshmann, gini mere iji akpo onye di ohu afo nwata? O bu na I maghi na ndi nne nne anyi luchara di mgbe ha di ebe afo iri na ise?

I challenge you to produce the meaning of Oru in igbo language!

(Different pronunciations)
Oru - slave
Oru - work
Oru - a foreign/strange/faraway town

Thanks for the suggestions, Bilms.

Taken care of.

Odenigbo Aroli: Oliver didn't say "uviam" but "ubiam" which means porverty. Anambra says "ubiam".

Oh ok. Ndeewo. So for 'poverty' you say both ogbele/ogbenye and ubiam?

I've heard northern musicians use the word uviam several times, but I don't know exactly what it means. In his song, "Ana Enwe Obodo Enwe", Oliver De Coque said "uviam gbafuo ka ukpaka", meaning "uviam should flee like a grasshopper". I'm guessing uviam means something along the lines of 'suffering'. Am I right?

Eze Promoe: [color=crimson]Sweat - okpo-ofu (òkpóòfù)
I'm sweating - Okpo-ofu na erem[/color]



[color=crimson]Let the Imolites do that.[/color]

Thanks. I would've never guessed that. This is the first time I'm hearing that term, but then again, I don't usually speak Central Igbo.

How so you say "sweat" and "to sweat" in Igbo Izugbe?

And what does "oruru erula m" mean in Owere?

Afam4eva: Nkanu - Enugu

Bia yoo nyi--Come and eat
Ke ka odu --How is it
Tukwuze anu--Sit down.
Ona ekwu okwu kpa ---S/he talks a lot
Je tukwo achichi --go and throw away the waste.

What town are you from in Nkanu (East or West?)? I know a few people from Awkunawnaw in Nkanu East LGA. Their dialect sounds interesting.

ChinenyeN: haha. Where'd you find those translations, under "(Ngwa)"? As for Mbaitoli, they are Isu.

I came across this Ngwa blog and just transposed the words.

http://ngwagburugburu..com/2012/12/ta-anyi-nchetakwa-nde-lodighi-otu.html?m=1

Andre Uweh: Isinweke
Bia yoo nri--Come and eat
Qlee ni--How is it
Olee otu owu ni--How is it.
Kporuo ala--Sit down.
Ona ekwu odokoro Uka---S/he talks a lot
Ga kwafuo nvonvo--go and throw away the waste.

(In my best Orata)
Wene, anwuchile! Ashushu Isinweke maru nma.

Ojiofor, ndeewo. I meele o. Abia state anyi amagbuole onwe ya na nma.

(Ngwa)
How are you - Elee
Do you want to eat now - I choo iri hwe ugbua
Let's go forward - Ta anyi gaa l'ihi
What's your name - Aha gu o za nigiri
Come out from there - Si ebe hwu futa

(Ututu)
How are you - Ndaa
Do you want to eat now - I choro iri ife ugbua
Let's go forward - An ganni n'ivu
What's your name - Afa gi o za ngen
Come out from there - Za nhu pusa

Mbaitoli (Orata)
How are you - Elee
Do you want to eat now - I choro iri ihe ugbua
Let's go forward - Ka anyi je n'ihu
What's your name - Aha gi o nini
Come out from there - shi nga ahu futa

http://ngwagburugburu..com/2012/10/odinma-ala-ngwa.html?m=1

I stumbled upon this blog completely in Ngwa. I'm impressed. Asusu ndi Igbo amagbuole onwe wo na nma.

PhysicsMHD: My post in this thread (under the moniker PhysicsQED) was hidden and the PhysicsQED account was banned by the spam bot until tomorrow morning:

https://www.nairaland.com/1249503/interesting-images-precolonial-early-colonial

If the spambot keeps banning me, even when I'm not including links in my posts, then it looks like I'll have trouble actually posting in that thread and sharing some of the images I found that I wanted to share.

I've unbanned you and your post has been revealed. I apologize for the inconvenience. It's terrible that, at times, the spambot can act unpredictably. All we moderators can do is correct it whenever it messes up.

ChinenyeN: In the Lower Niger region, virtually all groups share a culture of eight "market days". Whether its an expansion of four days or just simply eight depends on the respective community.

In fact, the four/four-eight market day week culture seems pretty common throughout West Africa, from what I've seen.

In those areas, do the market days still go by: Eke, Orie/Oye, Afo/Awho/Avo, and Nkwo, or do they have completely different names?

The thing that escapes my understanding is why people think that the modern-day moral perspective through which we analyze things like slavery can be applied to past eras. I have always said this and I will continue to say it: slavery is an issue which is best discussed in the context of the time period within which it occurs. Just a we cannot condemn an ancient Incan for sacrificing a human being to his people's sun god (since human sacrifice was a perfectly understandable social norm in that particular day and society), it is equally wrong for us to condemn an African for participating in slavery and the slave trade.

The truth is that those who continue to utter statements like "Africans are wicked for selling off their brothers" continue to display their irritating level of ignorance on issues regarding precolonial African economics and social organization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNo__febcbM&feature=youtube_gdata

Abagworo: I think it is best we analyze Igbo culture and that way expose the differences and similarities from clan to clan. For example does the "Oha" title exist in Nri/Awka cultural zone in the past or was Nze n'ozo title an entire Igbo thing? Was it all Igbos that practised "Owu" or "Owumiri" masked dance? Was it all Igbos that had the "Ekpo"? Was the Ekpe an Igbowide thing? Was it all Igbo communities that observed the 4day market system? Were our naming patterns similar? What was the origin of "Nmanwu" and was it spread across the entire Igbo area?

Are there any people that don't have four market days?

toshmann: odumodu nwanne mmadu, ndaa

O di nma. Ginwa kwan? Kee ebe I mutara isu 'ndaa'?

somalia9: I WAS BANNED IN RELIGION SECTION FOR SIMPLY DEBATING.

UNBAN......I WAS NEVER A NUISANCE [/quote

I have no control of events in other sections.

[quote author=Stranglehold]My main KidStranglehold account got banned on this thread....
https://www.nairaland.com/1242972/black-man-unchained-lust-wake/4

Handled.

idontgiveafuck: hey... nna i bu onye owerri? mba eri bem anu oshia mana, ndi madu gwaram shi o ri uto. anu oshia ne we smoky flavor okwaya?

Olo, abughi m onye Owerri. M bu onye Aro na Abia state. Nchi di ezigbo uto oo. Eh, o na-enweje smoky flavor mana, nne, gbalia hu na I riri anu ohia mgbe ozo I lara ala gi. O ga gbanwu gi ndu lol.

Odenigbo Aroli: On the ground that where the first Aros migrated from were in the axis of Isu homeland but that just my hypothesis.

Aro has three fathers and three diverse origins, therefore our language draws from many sources.

idontgiveafuck: ohhh... ok i heard of that b4. ppl do eat it right? how does it taste?

Ehenini (of course). Ndi madu na-erinu nchi. Ha na-ejije ya ańu nmiri oku (pepper soup) ma ite ofe kwa. Uto ya di egwu mana amaghi m ka m ga-esi akowara gi ya. Iritula anu ohia?

A similar concept exists in Aro culture because we too have agwu and arunsi. For example, if a family reveres an ancestral mask, the spirit of the mask would be known as arunsi, while the actual shrine (place) where the mask is located would be called ivu agwu (the face of a shrine).

idontgiveafuck: gini wu nchi?

Nchi bu anu ana-akpo 'grasscutter' na okwu Bekee.

toshmann: Enwere Onye nu ebe a taa
Kedu ebe Onye obula gara?
Ify!!!
DANILSA!!!
Eze Pant!!!
Odumchi odunNCHI!!!!
Who dey here?
Otele!!!!!!

Okay o. Ka m tazie anu okuko a alone

Biagodi nwoke mu a, toshmannanimal, isi o dikwa gi nma? Onye ka I na-akpo nchi?

CAMEROONPRIDE: Thanks

https://www.nairaland.com/1183773/les-fang-beti-pahouin
This one too?
The hidden comments on the last page, can you please do something about that?

Ça va?

Odenigbo Aroli: Maybe most Imolites and Abians are Isu decendants,while Anambra,Enugu,Anioma with some Ebonyians are of Nri/Eri. I have always thought that Aros were originally Isu.

Only southern and central Abia speaks like that (Ngwa and Umuahia areas). The northern zone (Bende) speaks differently. Arochukwu LGA and Ohafia LGA are truly diverse in terms of speech patterns. For example: Ohafia says 'ife' (like Anambra), yet speaks 'ishi' (head) like Imo, and says 'ngen' (what) like Aro. The dialectal variation in these two LGAs alone is enormous since, for some reason, every town speaks its own unique dialect. Ututu (in Arochukwu LGA) says 'ife' (like Anambra), yet says 'ohu' (that) like Aro, and has several words unique to its lexicon (like guma, nwonyeke, and nwonyinye). At the same time, Arochukwu (which is only few kilometers from Ututu) speaks differently.

When you say Aro speaks like Isu, what Aro are you talking about? Aro Uzo (Aro in diaspora) or Aro Ulo (Arochukwu)? Aro diaspora speak however their localities speak. An Aro settlement in Owere zone would speak like Owere while an Aro settlement near Awka would speak something related to Awka. The only real Aro dialect is that spoken at Arochukwu, and I wouldn't say that it resembles Isu.